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I laughed.
From Jenkins:
Not that this would ever happen, but I'd put a ceiling on rookie contracts in all professional leagues: $500,000. That's it. Live with a half-million dollars or go flip pancakes somewhere.

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I felt like I was reading a bunch of MLBTR comments strung together

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jenkins should STFU

Fotball, more than any of the other major sports, it a young man’s game. By the time a player has "proven anything (the line I keep hearing every radio commentator and talking head drop) he’s probably passed his peak if not done outright. If the NFL is going to force its player to play for free (or for a degree which is meaningless to their future career) in college, and refuse to guarantee contracts, asking the players to accept virtually all the risk of injury and failed development which MLB shoulders for its dratees, then they should be forced to fork out huge bonuses to rookies who successfully run the gauntlet.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Aug 10, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Matthew Stafford still should not make more money than either Peyton Manning or Tom Brady when he has never thrown one pass in the NFL.

by SFGuy on Aug 10, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said he’s made more money than either of them? With non-guaranteed contracts and all the bonus’ in NFL contracts, it’s almost always really, really misleading when you see headlines like that. If Stafford doesn’t turn out well, he’ll get cut at some point and won’t make even close to all of his contract.

A lot of times headlines will basically compare Player A’s base salary + signing bonus to Player B’s base salary. It doesn’t mean Player A is paid more. For instance, Peyton Manning got a $34.5M signing bonus in 2004, but most comparisons for 2009 will just look at his 2009 salary.

by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I’ve read, Stafford’s guaranteed money is higher than either Brady or Peyton (I think Eli is now making more money than Peyton but at least he won a Super Bowl).

by SFGuy on Aug 11, 2009 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 10, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why bother letting the free market decide how much these players are worth, when we can impose stupid rules on them? Just more reason I don’t read Jenkins. Stupid suggestion. If rookies were really being paid too much, smart teams wouldn’t pay them and would use that money on veterans instead. That doesn’t happen, because paying someone for what they’ve done in the past, when you’re trying to win in the future is stupid. You pay for what someone will do for you in the future.

Also comparing it to 8 year olds holding up a bank is…just wow. Terrible analogy.

by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Only problem w/ the Free market analogy

Is that assures that high revenue teams will have the best players. It’s probably in the best interests of the sport as a whole to try to keep talent as evenly distributed as possible.

But generally I agree – just look at the market adjustment that Baseball had to make this season for an example.

by FairweatherFan on Aug 10, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's true for baseball

With football’s salary cap, however, free market drafting might actually work.

And by “work” I mean reward well run teams, not, as the draft is designed to do, maintain long-term competitive balance.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Aug 10, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but adding on to Bhaakon’s point, it could work combined with a salary cap (so there goes the free market, but oh well). It’s harder with baseball than other sports because the gap between rich and poor is bigger than other sports, but still, the point is rookies tend to be productive players, on average, over the life of their contract. Teams should pay for the production they get those years, not past production. I’m sure you can come up with a system that is built around that philosophy that satisfies most people. The bottom line is the people that complain about it are just jealous and bitter that athletes make so much, and don’t think about the issue with any amount of rational thought (either that or they’re socialists/communists).

by Missing Barry on Aug 10, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Jenkins is wrong.

Analysis over.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he´s just pissed that these guys are making all this money and he is not making very much money to cover them

by Mrbasepaul on Aug 10, 2009 8:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, I’m tired of the players making so much money, I really think it’s the owners that deserve all this money! Let’s do all we can to keep players salaries artificially low so the hard working owners can make more money.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 11, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Jenkins

I’m not a Jenkins fan, but I agree with him on this. I also think that most of the posters have misunderstood his point. Nowhere does he state that he wants to reduce the amount of money that players make in pro sports. Instead, he’s decrying how much leverage and power are being given these kids that have never played 1 game of pro ball yet. In baseball and football, these unproven kids are allowed to hold whole teams hostage.

If the drafted players in the MLB and NFL had a negotiated slotting system, then the huge $$$ flowing to the unproven rookies would instead be allocated to signing and extending veterans. You only have to look to the NBA to see how it works. The funny thing is that most pro athletes also agree with Jenkins. In fact, this is the case with almost all labor unions in general. The existing union members get a bigger percentage of the pie (wages, benefits, pensions,…), while new hires get less and less, with each successive contract negotiation. They’re eagerly willing to sell out the new guys (who don’t have a vote yet) to management in order to line their own pockets.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Aug 11, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Instead, he’s decrying how much leverage and power are being given these kids that have never played 1 game of pro ball yet. In baseball and football, these unproven kids are allowed to hold whole teams hostage.

I know his position, I just have zero sympathy for the team’s position. As I wrote above, the NFL forces their players into college, where they don’t get paid and assume all the risk of injuries; and, for many positions, the players are only at their maximum value during their first contract, teams know that “veteran” option at many positions are extremely dicey.. Baseball, though it allows players to join out of high school, forces its rookies to play for the minimum salary for three seasons and a severely reduced salary for three more after that. I can’t fault high-level draftees for “holding teams ransom” when the overall scope of the situation is so exploitative of young players. If these sports want to employ slotting, that’s fantastic, but I wouldn’t support it until 1) college footballers are monetarily compensated at some level appropriate to their actual revenue production, and 2) pre-FA MLB players have more earning power.

VAE PVTO DEVS FIO

by Bhaakon on Aug 11, 2009 11:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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