2 Giants in top 10 BA Midseason Top 25 Prospects
by wcw on Jul 9, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
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Baseball America's Midseason Top 25 Prospects are out, and the Giants have two in the top ten, plus the first of the honorable mentions:
Top 25 Prospects
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5. Madison Bumgarner, lhp, Giants
6. Buster Posey, c, Giants
The Next 25: Tim Alderson, rhp, Giants...
Me, I put Posey above Bumgarner, but since BA are the authorities here, not I, I should really defer to them. naturally, deferring to BA feels a smidge better when they agree with me on the consensus top prospect out there. Whom, I shall never tire of reminding folks here, I wanted to draft instead of Bumgarner back in 2007.
Having the #5 and #26 prospects in all of baseball is a very nice thing. But wouldn't it be nice to have the #1 overall and a legitimate major-league starter instead?
It would, I posit, have been very nice indeed.
I told you so.
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that's what the GOP said about George W. Bush and 2000
How did “getting over” that end up working out? I seem to have forgotten.
Man, I didn’t think you could get more ridiculous than your last “WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HEYWARD AND PORCELLO” post but this takes the cake.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
GIS for "stupid pie"
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 9, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
can we wait to see what MadBum and TimA do at the ML level before we start writing it the picks off as mistakes?
Thing A
No, that would be prudent and careful. WCW doesn’t do either.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
care and prudence have no place here, yes
this is the internets, you know
by wcw on Jul 9, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
mmmm that 5.00 FIP and 4.9 K/9 sure is nice from Porcello.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Oh man 0.7 WAR, unf unf unf.
3.84 K/9 and 5.35 FIP projected for the rest of the season! Good lord!
Porcello should be in AA right now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
so should Sadowski
I’d rather have Porcello, myself. You?
I’d like to have some Porcinis right now… maybe in a nice risotto.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh? That makes no sense.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
he’s still in the bigs at a ridiculously young age in the AL.
Anyone who (all things being equal) would prefer Alderson to Porcello is clearly wearing their homer glasses. However, given the demands Porcello had out of HS and our high amount of picks that year, I don’t mind at all that we took Alderson and he’s a helluva GD prospect we’re all happy with. I understand you’re just trying to bring wcw off his high horse, but Porcello is still a stud, but that’s what almost everyone thought in 2007 as well
by NeifiChicken on Jul 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
but I do agree, he shouldn’t be in the bigs, they were waaaay too aggressive
by NeifiChicken on Jul 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Porcello is a good prospect. I would love for the Giants to have him. I also think he’s only in the bigs at this age because the Tigers were desperate for starters last year.
Saying he’s a legitimate big league starter and ignoring the fact that his peripherals are continuing on the utterly uninspiring track they were on last year is not really being honest. He’s not major league ready.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
*desperate for starters this year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
the data indicate his FB is major-league quality
his curve not so much, but the fastball alone strikes me as making him ‘legitimate’
doesn’t that suggest he needs to refine his breaking ball in, I don’t know, the minors?
The guy will be a stud, perhaps even the next Roy Hallday (who is the best SP in baseball, although our guy can make a good case as well) but he’s not there yet
by NeifiChicken on Jul 9, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe
I can see the argument for keeping a guy in the minor leagues if he’s not pitching regularly in the majors, but Porcello is. I can see the argument that repeatedly getting shelled does nothing for your development, but Porcello isn’t.
I never said he was or would be Halladay. I said he was already a legitimate major-league pitcher, and I think that’s true. Not very good yet, but not embarrassing himself.
Be honest with yourself though – if it wasn’t someone who you were invested in proving the awesomeness of, would you really be that impressed with a guy who’s got a 5 FIP and a K-rate under 5? 20 or not, those just aren’t very good numbers. He’s a legit major league starter right now, sure, but I’d say he’s a legit 4/5 starter, not a legit 2 or 3.
Bumgarner is currently putting up pretty good numbers in AA – his MLE FIP is 4.50. Who’s to say he couldn’t come up and put up around the same performance that Porcello’s doing right now? What kind of numbers would Porcello be putting up if he was in AA? I know it’s a big jump from A+ to the majors, but you have to be a bit concerned by the fact that his career strikeout rate is 4.9 in the majors and 5.2 in the minors so far.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
at the moment legitimate rotation filler only
that’s enough, I think, at his age. I’m more concerned that his GB% is ‘only’ in the 50s right now, since his calling card if he succeeds will be 60+% grounder rates.
and your choice is not Bumgarner or Porcello, it’s Alderson + one year of Renteria’s salary or Porcello. I take Porcello.
and if I'm being completely honest...
I know he’s a very well liked prospect and is ranked highly, but I’m still not particularly impressed with anything he’s done so far in his professional career. Like, I think he’ll probably have a good major league career, but I don’t see much to indicate future ace or once-in-a-lifetime prospect like people were saying he was before the draft.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Where has Sharksrog been these days, anyway?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’m not sure. I don’t recall not seeing him around, but I’ve been away for the past 4-5 days myself.
WHERES SHARKSROG
hes been missing ever since lincecum started that scoreless inning streak
/wild speculation
apparently the adoptive parent of the 2nd best hitter on the team.
/shrug
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 9, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
sharksrog spends all his time on the giants board on aol. He posts about 1000 times a day over there
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jul 9, 2009 2:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t understand your need to let everyone know:
“I told you so.”
Even under the assumption you’re right and people will recognize it, what validation do you get out of that? Because you were right on one decision means…we should respect your opinion more or something? For all we know you don’t know anything about scouting prospects and just happened to get lucky on this call? So…I just don’t see the point of all of this.
by Missing Barry on Jul 9, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not a violent man, myself. And with my physical stature, that’s a good thing, because nobody would take me seriously anyway. But reading some arrogant jackass write, “I told you so” repeatedly just makes me feel… Punchy.
Therefore, I assume his end goal with this is to make as many people as possible want to punch him. Just a guess.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
i’d rather bitchslap him.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
then he would be a big league pitcher
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I posit that you reconcile your short-man syndrome with your illegible grammar; see what you come up with.
Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...
two-stdev height outliers don't get short-man syndrome
but thanks for asking — I appreciate the concern
I read this as “I post-it” and thought you had to write yourself a note to remember wcw’s inane Heywood ramblings.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 9, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Nothing...
…about any of this is worth remembering. ’Cept the GIS funnies.
Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...
I wanted Heyward at the time as well, but...
Who is to say we could’ve developed him into what he has become?
The Giants (although that could be changing) hadn’t developed any hitters at all at the time and yet we had been able to draft and develop pitchers well.
There’s a decent chance Heyward would not be doing as well had he been with SF
JUSTIN HAYWARD
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
There might be something wrong with my screen, but does this woman kind of have some beard shadow on her face?
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
Damn that chick is as hot as Taylor Hansen
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
I love these posts, I hope this one takes off like the last one did.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
WCW HATES PABLO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
yes, wcw, why do you have to have to be such an attention craving baby that you would jeopardize Pablo’s chances? Shame on you, wcw!
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
because Pablo stood idly by while George Bush took office despite losing the popular vote
Semi-proud adoptive father of Scott "Aaron" Barnes.
Debate is OVER!
Yes, we should have taken Heyward after all. I mean, he is ranked #1 in an arbitrary midseason list. Those players never fail to develop into major league studs. Meanwhile, #5 prospects on midseason lists don’t end up being anything but shit-eating morons.
Oh fuck! Smoak is two whole spots ahead of Buster! What fucking idiots we have, we could have had #4 but we’re stuck with #6. That draft was a failure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 9, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions
BUT GINATS DONT NEED PICHERS WE HAVE LICECHUM
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
bkrhater is right about howard johnson being right.
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 9, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
XANTHAN WAS WRONG
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jul 9, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
NOW HE'S RIGHT AGAIN
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It’s like he’s a human being or something
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 9, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
ASDKLFJASFKJAHSKFDDJASFKASJ
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jul 9, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
TimA is not #26, the others are listed alphabetically.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
don’t ruin it!
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 9, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a wacky idea
Lets wait until they get to the majors to pass judgement! No, oh ok. Right now is decision time, I didnt realize.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
can we just ban this guy from the site?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 9, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions
oh bother
apparently the adoptive parent of the 2nd best hitter on the team.
/shrug
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Congratulations, you’ve made me wish for the spectacular failure of two prospects I used to really like just so you’ll shut the fuck up.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jul 9, 2009 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Jul 9, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions
Orioles
O’s fans gotta be really excited about their prospects right now. Tillman and Matusz at 8 & 9 with Arieta not far behind. If those guys can develop into solid pitchers with all the young hitters they’ve developed the last three years they could legitimately start to dream about being a competitive team in the AL East in a few years time.
I’m glad because it’s really a smart fanbase that’s been completely pounded into submission by 20 years of incompetent management.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
LOL
It’s funny that we are debating, err, bickering about which stud prospect we should have drafted. Y’all are insane to continue this in this or any forum.
Oh, I include me in that assessment as well. I have been diagnosed as a rambling idiot by my wife, usually 4-5 times a week.
VOTE PANDA. 8 minutes left……Kick the flying Hawaiian in the nads….
My two favorite teams are the Giants, and whomever is playing the Dodgers!
by World Series or Bust on Jul 9, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions
think about how Rockies fan feel after Greg Reynolds and Casey Weathers in back to back drafts
by NeifiChicken on Jul 9, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
Yeah, the draft could always be “better” but getting the 5th and 26th-50th best prospects in all of baseball out of a draft is a hell of a lot better than it very well could have been.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The hilarity of Jacks Williams makes up for his shittness as a ballplayer.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
wilriv said a character in The Wire (I think? or 24?) whose name is Jackson is nicknamed Jacks. So he calls him that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’d watch a tv show about the McCoven.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
lolcats live!
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 9, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
freaks and geeks
apparently the adoptive parent of the 2nd best hitter on the team.
/shrug
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 10, 2009 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it was Sons of Anarchy.
If you were to base a nickname off of a character in The Wire it would have to be Fuzzy Dunlop
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
I'd go with Wee Bey
You don’t fuck with Wee Bey.
"Forget it Donny, you're out of your element"-Walter Sobchak
by icanplaythird on Jul 9, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
OOOOOOOOOH!
WEE-BEY!
"Forget it Donny, you're out of your element"-Walter Sobchak
by icanplaythird on Jul 9, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
pricktorino won
a travesty
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jul 9, 2009 2:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was unaware that Jason Heyward was good.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
I was unaware that Jason took Manhatten
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 9, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t read all the comments, so this has probably been said before:
You are suck a douchebag.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jul 9, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
Who's Bumgarner?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I think you mean Baumgardner
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 9, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve heard he garns bums.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 9, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
if we had Heyward, we’d mess up his development and he wouldn’t be #1.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 9, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions
He’d have been traded to Texas.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
I bet WCW would be a fun person to have at a party. If you consider severe nausea fun.
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
sure, when it happens to other people
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by Natto on Jul 9, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
I liked that game too much.
(Just kidding…. you can never get enough of No Mercy!!)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
So ridiculously fun. I used to make my own storylines using my created wrestlers.
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
I had a friend who did that, but for some reason his character (named after himself) was tall and blonde (instead of Korean).
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Mine was a short Chinese dude. STAY TRUE TO YOURSELF.
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
turning it green
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 9, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
There are a lot of people I regret having defended, but you’re definitely the worst.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by far the best compliment of the day
from the bottom of my petty little heart, thanks
by wcw on Jul 9, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
twat
that is an excellent word and very appropriate
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Alderson is the first honorable mention
because the honorable mentions are listed in alphabetical order.
Do people come on here actually looking for approval for their baseball 'knowledge'?
i thought that’s what fantasy baseball is for.
You're not right because you're not realistic
You can’t take Porcello with the 19th pick and pay him more than Heward with the 10th. Why would Heyward’s agent ever accept that idea? What would have happened is that they never would have gotten Porcello signed and we wouldn’t have Alderson. Has any team EVER paid a second first rounder more than the first?
Ad quibbling between Heyward and Bumgarner is just a poor way to be a fan. Basically seems like you’d rather Bumgarner fail and be right than succeed and be wrong.
I’m endlessly amused that wcw is so adamant about his shadow drafted players when he complained so loudly about the Giants passing up Chris Parmalee for Tim Lincecum:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2006/6/15/424525/open-draft-thread
this would’ve gotten me to vote for Pablo 15 more times
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I WAS REALLY HOPING IT WAS TRUE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Anyone else notice
that there are a grand total of ZERO Dodgers prospects on the list? MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA SUCK IT RUSSELL MARTIN AND NED COLLETTI.
Jim Callis Weighs in on Quality lefty vs Quality 1st baseman
Dan (Tampa)
Who would you rather have Smoak or Matusz?
Jim Callis
(2:37 PM)
Tough call, and I answered this in an Ask BA column early in the year, but I’d take Matusz. Harder to find a quality lefty than a quality first baseman.
Smoak vs Matusz is basically the same discussion as Heyward vs Bumgarner.
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