Organization Prospect Depth Chart: Shortstop
by wilriv21 on Jul 6, 2009 1:14 PM PDT
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The shortstop position is thought as the most important defensive position in baseball. Currently the SF Giants have Edgar Renteria as their starting shortstop. Renteria is under contract through the 2010 season with a team option for the 2011 season. The Giants will have a new shortstop in 2011. Who? My favorite candidate would be Elvis Andrus. Ain't gonna happen. I know. But what prospects do the Giants have?
My top organization prospect shortstops:
1. Ehire Adrianza A
2. Brandon Crawford AA
3. Brian Bocock A+
Who are your top SF Giants shortstop prospects?
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Bocock, above Burriss?
Really?
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by hairball on Jul 6, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Adrianza above Crawford?
Really?
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by jponry on Jul 6, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t do it, but it isn’t out of the question.
Adrianza’s glove is consistently considered fantastic, whereas Crawford is considered ‘good’.
Crawford’s bat is still high risk, high reward, and it is quite possible that his contact problems could preclude him from being a useful MLB player.
Adrianza, while further away obviously, has a tool set that should allow his current MiLB stats to carry over more than a MLE would suggest. He’s fairly consistent with contact, and has a little bit of pop. He doesn’t have anywhere near the offensive ceiling of Crawford (though his floor is likely higher), but he doesn’t have to, considering his defense.
I’d still have Crawford over Adrianza, simply because of proximity and offensive potential, but I probably like Adrianza better as a prospect.
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by haverecords on Jul 6, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his defense is supposed to be godly
if he learns hit even a little, he’d be ridiculously valuable
by superk1ng on Jul 6, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Burriss and Frandsen each have a better chance of being the starting shortstop in 2011 than Bocock does.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 6, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How? The organization seems to have completely dumped the idea of Burriss as a SS. He hasn’t seen an inning there this year, to my knowledge, minors and even ST included. And Frandsen, well they just don’t seem to be that into him, sad to say.
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by Roger on Jul 6, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
But I still like either of their chances better than the guy who’s back in single-A at age 24 after being unable to hit AA pitching and currently hitting just .246/.287/.348 at the lower level.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 6, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it’s far more likely that the Giants’ brain trust will be let go and replaced with fanatical Burrisstas than that Bocock will make his way back to the big leagues.
by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our SS depth is awful
- Brandon Crawford
- Ehire Adrianza
- Pass
It’s possible I’m uneducated on some guys who might be interesting, so please let me know if I am.
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by marcello on Jul 6, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
aaaaaand done. There’s the thread.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Sharlon Schoop? Bueller?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess, although I don’t think highly of him at all.
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by marcello on Jul 6, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schoop seems to have moved to the utilityman track this season. He’s split time fairly evenly between 2B, 3B, and SS.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 6, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they need Schoop in the majors for the nicknames alone
by microwave donut on Jul 6, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not all that bad. Two legit prospects along with two possibly fringe starter/role players in Burriss and Frandsen, isn’t a bad place to be. It probably places us middle of the pack, SS depth wise.
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
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by haverecords on Jul 6, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot Posey
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 6, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they tried to make me move to shortstop
but sabes said
no no no
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 6, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL I WANTED WAS A SHORTSTOP
JUST ONE SHORTSTOP
BUT THEY WOULDN’T GIVE IT TO ME
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by EliminateMe on Jul 6, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DOESN'T MATTER
I’LL PROBABLY GET HIT BY A CAR ANYWAY
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jul 6, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Brandon Crawford
2. Ehire Adrianza
3. Bocock
4. Burriss
5. None of the above
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by nvsfg on Jul 6, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
John Eshleman! Tearing up the Sally League to the tune of a 974 OPS …..in, uh, 19 ABs.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jhonny Peralta?
I saw on MLBTR that he was made available. His bat is plus for that position, but his defense looks pretty average.
SS Peralta and 2B Renteria sounds a whole lot better than SS Renteria and 2B Uribe.
by Fresburg on Jul 6, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s not much of a prospect anymore.
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by Natto on Jul 6, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SS Peralta and 2B Renteria SS Glenallen Hill and 2B Jermaine Dye sounds a whole lot better than SS Renteria and 2B Uribe
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 6, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a management that won’t move Bengie out of the cleanup spot also won’t move Renteria from SS. Rent moving over just won’t happen.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 6, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even when he starts crow hopping to get the ball to first?
by Fresburg on Jul 6, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t see it. they take the veteran respect thing to insane levels.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL GIANTS
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by CB30 on Jul 6, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1) Crawford
2) Adrianza
3) Schierholtz
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Jul 6, 2009 2:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
4) The Big Sadowski
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We get to watch Hanley Ramirez for the next few days. That should quench the yearning.
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by NuschlerFace on Jul 6, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How would watching an awesome SS make us yearn less?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 6, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was sarchasm.
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by NuschlerFace on Jul 6, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that Hanley is a bit banged up and may miss the series. I’m not gonna bother trying to find the article again, though.
by The Double Deuce on Jul 6, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at 46 omar will still be better than any of them
by bradleybear on Jul 6, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+ 46
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 6, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Crawford
2. Else
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jul 6, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1. Ehire Adrianza
2. Brandon Crawford
3. Emmanuel Burriss
4. Brian Bocock
5. John Eshelmann
6. Ryan Cavan
…sadly, SS and CF are now the thinnest positions in the SF organization.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jul 7, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
True
But when aren’t they?
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 7, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense, they’re the toughest positions to fill
by microwave donut on Jul 7, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve certainly done our part over the last 25 years to reinforce that perception, haven’t we? I’m trying to think (off the top of my head) of the best SS or CF we’ve drafted and developed in that time. Chris Speier is too long ago. I guess Royce Clayton is about it. Wow.
Can anyone think of any others?
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by Lyle on Jul 8, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benard was pretty good for a few years.
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:-(
by Cookyman on Jul 8, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say Chili Davis for CF then I realized that was almost 30 years ago.
Maybe Aurilia at SS. Clayton had all kinds of talent but he didn’t seem to have the stay power of Aurilia on the MLB level. Either way that is …. ( Air guitar moment to Led Zep Whole Lot of Love) a whole lot of fail.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 8, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royce Clayton had a 17 year career (that just ended two years ago). Richie’s currently in his 13th major league season (and I don’t even want think about him making it to 17).
Anyway, we definitely didn’t draft him and I’m not sure you could say we really developed him either as he was already 23 and had completed a full season in AA when we traded for him. He made his major league debut during his first season in our system.
As for CF, let’s not forget Dan Gladden!
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Jul 8, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I can’t complain if you want to choose Clayton over Richie. Clayton’s first couple years were really promising and he looked like he might have been on the verge of being something special. In hind sight though I think his up and down years would have driven me nuts (beyond of reasonable expectations) if he had remained aGiants for most of them. At least when Richie lost it at SS it was over for him at SS. For some reason that is easier for me to handle.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 8, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Dan Gladden, Marvin Benard, and Royce Clayton. Not our best production there.
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by Lyle on Jul 8, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Au contraire — that’s the creme de la creme of the last 25 years.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Jul 8, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/Bad Plant imitation in agreement
"That’s a whole lot of Suck"
/ Air Guitars riffs
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 8, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Julio Izturis?
I know he’s been playing mostly 2b this year, but when the Giants signed him, he was regarded as a SS.
by barry100 on Jul 7, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s true, Minor Izturis played quite a bit of SS in the DSL the last few years. It’s pretty hard to get a read on him yet, though I like what I’ve seen in the AZL so far.
Still I think you pretty much have to go
Crawford,
Burriss,
Adrianza
Bocock
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Jul 7, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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