If Johnson Goes to the DL

I assume Sanchez goes back to the rotation.

We really need another backup infielder. Currently, the only guy we have backing up all four positions is freaking Rich Aurilia.

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by jcb9 on Jul 5, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Even if Johnson is ok, they should err on the side of caution. If they use the days off, his spot would only come up for one start. I would think they’ll call up Frandsen.

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by rxmeister on Jul 5, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Schierholtz can play 3rd

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by merkin on Jul 6, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn

no one is taking the bait….

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by merkin on Jul 6, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What bait?

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by groug on Jul 6, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought that was a McMeme….or was that Niekro…..damn these AAAA players get me all confused….

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by merkin on Jul 6, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I look at this as a blessing in disguise

as long as Johnson isn’t seriously hurt. Perfect roster spot move, get Sanchez one start before all star break, take another few days off, reshuffle the rotation, and activate Johnson after the all star break

We keep all of our pitchers while figuring out what to do with the outfield situation, meanwhile, Frandsen gets to come up and show us what he can do in the next 2 weeks.

by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I hate to say Johnson getting hurt is good, but I would like to see how Sanchez does after some bullpen time

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 5, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

why? You think he’ll be a good starter now that he’s pitched in a couple of mop up appearances? I was hoping he’d stay in the bullpen and impress enough so that they could trust him in an important relief situation.

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by rxmeister on Jul 5, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

sometimes a guy just needs to clear his head. A few years back, Cain got sent to the bullpen and pitched once out of there and then went back in and got it together. The same thing happened with Russ Ortiz back in 2000. Hopefully, that’s the case with Sanchez. He’s the obvious choice to go back in and if he still struggles, then go with someone else or maybe Johnson comes back and Dirty goes back into the pen.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 5, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clear his head? Sorry to break the news, but unlike Cain and Ortiz, Sanchez was never good. His stuff may seem pretty good at times, but he’s way to hittable to get away with being “effectively wild.”

by BenboC on Jul 5, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez has been very good at times (look at April or June 2008), but he hasn’t been able to be consistent. This year he hasn’t been consistent at all (or at least in a good way), but I wouldn’t say he was never good.

And Ortiz and Cain weren’t established starters when they got their breaks in the pen. At that point, they could have gone either way. In both cases, injuries to others intervened to get them back into the rotation.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 5, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know Russ Ortiz in 2000 is actually a pretty good comp for Sanchez. He was 26, he’d a couple years experience, he had sometimes electric stuff, and he just never ever ever threw strikes. He had several games in the first half of that year where he’d hit the 100 pitch mark before qualifying for a win.

At this point in the 2000 season, Ortiz was 4-8 with an ERA near 7, and was averaging less than 5 innings per start. But by the end of that year he was one of the best pitchers on the team (earning the crucial start in the horrid Game 3 of the playoff series) and went on to be very valuable the next two years.

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by Roger on Jul 5, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez gets the spot

pull up a middle infielder

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 5, 2009 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The Giants could put Johnson on the DL and he could only miss one start. All they would have to do is change the rotation around starting in the 2nd half. But the Giants aren’t that smart.

by SFGuy on Jul 5, 2009 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Next time they need a 5th starter

…. isn’t until the Tuesday after the All-Star break, according to Kruk and Kuip.

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by achiappanza on Jul 5, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Giants are still not that smart to figure that out.

by SFGuy on Jul 5, 2009 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still...

…going with the “brasz is dumb” stance, eh?

Sure, they overpaid for Renteria and maintain Aurilia’s roster spot this season, but how much water does your blanket argument hold, really?

A few quick examples of not-dumb-brazz moves:

1. Signing the Unit
2. Signing Affeldt and Howry
3. Signing Miller, Medders, and Uribe to minor league deals
4. Bringing up Sadowski
5. Not re-signing Vizquel

Additionally, the team sits in rarified air, in that it can actually afford to take on payroll at the mid-point of the season.

So, yeah, I can see how the roster move you proposed, which has been offered repeatedly on radio, the ’Net, and on T.V., is so far above the heads of those who run the team. Honestly, the griping is getting old.

Sure, there will always be moves with which the fans disagree. However, the Giants are in the enviable position of playing far above expectations this season, and it’s thanks to much of what has been done by management over the last five months. Further, lest we forget that the real potential success of the club is still 1-2 years away (according to plan), which is another testament to management’s foresight?

If you still think brass is dumb, may I ask at what point you’ll be satisfied with the club’s success (relative to the club’s performance [or, lackthereof] over the last few seasons)?

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by bkrhater on Jul 6, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

5. Not re-signing Vizquel

It’s now July and Omar’s still outplaying Renteria by a mile, at one-tenth the price.

by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And less than one-third the PAs. I don’t believe Vizquel would be putting up the same numbers playing every day.

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by EliminateMe on Jul 6, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just can’t believe people are still trying to justify Renteria’s signing.

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by Roger on Jul 6, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not really

I’m just saying Vizquel was not a viable alternative.

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by EliminateMe on Jul 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But why? Yes, he’s old, but he’s nearly as good with the glove as ever, and only slightly more ineffectual with the bat. Wouldn’t a Vizquel/Uribe platoon be at least as good as Renteria?

by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Evan do you think Big Head actauly platton a decade pluss veteran that is not on the DL? If you do pass whatever it is you are having and stop Bogartin’ it dude!

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by daveinexile on Jul 6, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Renteria has sucked, but Vizquel was all-time wretched last year and only getting older. Renteria getting worse may have been predictable (despite ZiPS having him at .282/.341/.383), but Vizquel getting worse was just as predictable, and he was already at a horrible level.

There’s an argument that Uribe could have been the starting SS, or that Burriss or Frandsen could have been the starting SS, or that the team should have signed Adam Everett, but Vizquel was just done and any SSS renaissance this year wasn’t the least bit predictable.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any time a 41-year-old has a crap year, he’s going to be pronounced done, but in Vizquel’s case the evidence just doesn’t bear that out. Look at his strikeout and walk and line-drive numbers over the last several years. If it weren’t for the age column, we’d all assume that it was 2008 that was the SSS fluke, not 2009.

And he’s still one of the very best fielders on the planet.

by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Vizquel had a slight LD% and BB% bump in 2008, but the general trend is down, down, down:

2006-2008:

K rate up each year
BB/K down each year
OBP down each year
SLG down each year
ISO down each year
BABIP down each year, which at his age looks less like luck and more like noodle bat
wOBA down each year

2006 looked like the last hurrah for Vizquel, and at 41, you just need another plan, because that trendline indicates a guy is just done.

His defense is still stellar though.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You’re trying too hard to read a pattern into data that doesn’t really have one. The decay you trace from 2006 to 2008 is very faint — and you’re starting from a peak, as 2006 was a better year for him than any of the previous three.

Fangraphs has batted-ball data going back to 2002. Aside from the freakish 14 home runs in 2002, Omar’s numbers are basically interchangeable from one year to the next.

My point in all this is not that letting Vizquel get away was some sort of colossal disaster, but rather that (a) age is just a number, and (b) a cheap bad plan beats the hell out of an expensive bad plan.

by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not reading in a pattern – the pattern is clearly there, and the decay isn’t nearly as faint as you’re trying to make it seem. Even if Omar has a similar batted ball profile as he had before doesn’t mean that those balls are being hit more weakly.

Look, I don’t like Renteria any more than you do, and I think there were better, cheaper options. But Renteria on offense was decidedly better than Vizquel in 2007 and in 2008, and Vizquel can only be expected to get worse at his age, especially when he seemingly fell off the cliff last year. And age isn’t just a number – there may be odd outliers and last-gasp big years, but guys decline pretty predictably with age.

Renteria by year:

2006: .350 wOBA, 3.8 WAR
2007: .381 wOBA, 4.3 WAR
2008: .308 wOBA, 1.4 WAR

So Renteria went south last year as well, but that year followed two excellent years and 2008 was a switch to the AL, a tougher league (although not as overblown as AL East fans would have you believe) which he hadn’t played in since his slump 2005 season with the Red Sox. He’s 8 years younger than Vizquel as well.

After the previous two years, and with a switch back to the NL, it wasn’t a terrible bet that Renteria would bounce back – a much better bet than on Vizquel bouncing back.

ZiPS had Renteria at .282/.341/.383 for this year, and if he were hitting that no one really would be complaining. ZiPS had Vizquel at .227/.285/.277, and that’s just Burrissian.

Renteria isn’t signed to that expensive a contract, either. It’s only $7m this year and $9m this year, with an already-sunk $2m bonus, and a $0.5m buyout or club option for $10.5m in 2011. There was no one in the pipeline for SS, either.

That contract is tradeable, and if the Giants hadn’t been good this year – and most of us thought they wouldn’t be – Renteria might have been a pretty good trade chip for the deadline.

I’m not a big defender of the BRASSZZZ but the Renteria signing was actually pretty decent. Plus, it has only been half a season, and he might just hit close to his ZiPS projection after all.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I don’t want to belabor this, since it doesn’t make much difference either way. And I wanted them to sign Furcal, so what do I know.

But honestly I think it’s inarguable that the “Vizquel is done” case rested on exactly two data points: He had a .249 BABIP, and he was forty-one years old. That’s it. Every other aspect of his game was right around his traditional career levels. For me, that’s not nearly enough to be persuasive. And so far, his performance in 2009 is proving me right.

by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I liked Vizquel

…but didn’t want him back

Of the SS free agents available (Renteria, Furcal and Cabrera) they’ve all been pretty meh, but Renteria doesn’t seem too bad in comparison. Sure he’s getting paid more, but it’s only two years.

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by Goofus on Jul 6, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn’t Cabrera cost the A’s a pick as a Type A?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was Cabrera a Type A?

I know Hudson was, and he cost the Dodgers. I didn’t know about Cabrera.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jul 6, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes, type A

and A’s lost their 2nd rd pick

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by merkin on Jul 6, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s better than having Burriss. It’s not my money, and he was willing to sign a 2 year contract and didn’t cost a pick.

by jctGamer on Jul 6, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez or Martinez

by wilriv21 on Jul 5, 2009 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Mr. Martinez said the team is going to make a decision about his status around the All Star Break.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 5, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

he is pitching tonight for Fresno

by wilriv21 on Jul 5, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s due to make one or two starts in Fresno. He could get two in before the break and then come up if he’s ready.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 5, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Joey!

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by cornball on Jul 5, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joey Joe Joe!

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 5, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont know what to think. Get a middle infielder up please

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by CB30 on Jul 5, 2009 5:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Johnson to DL =

stay of execution for Aurilia.

by Ed Jew on Jul 5, 2009 5:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

They all look so happy

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 5, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like these guys

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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 5, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

/shivers…..Gnomes just creep me out.

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by nvsfg on Jul 6, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But you’re OK with the decapitation?

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by bkrhater on Jul 6, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LEGO decapitation ? Yes

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by nvsfg on Jul 6, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn’t passing judgement; just clarifying.

FWIW, I agree.

FWIW, pt. 2: I wouldn’t squirm much if the travel site gnome met an early demise, either.

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by bkrhater on Jul 6, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of Gnomes? Ya, sure are long as the wife can’t trace it back to me.

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by daveinexile on Jul 6, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They’ll probably just move Sanchez back in the rotation. But I don’t see Sanchez as a legit starting pitcher in the major leagues. He is best out of the pen where the opposing lineup only sees him once at the most. He rarely gets past the 5-6th inning and let’s face it, last year and this year, has an ERA over 5 as a starter. That doesn’t cut it, especially for a guy who is 26-27 years old.

by barry100 on Jul 5, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This might kill the “Trade Sanchez” meme for now.

by cakes on Jul 5, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

this won’t stop them from trading Sanchez if they can get something decent. They have other options like Martinez and Pucetas. They can even get Bumgarner up here if they think he’s ready. Sanchez is not a viable starter for the Giants’ anymore. He has had enough chances.

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by rxmeister on Jul 5, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Might want to take a long look at the career of All Star pitcher Edwin Jackson before making a final pronouncement on that.

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by Roger on Jul 5, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Edwin Jackson was like four years younger when the Dodgers gave up on him.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jul 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but he was only two years younger when the Rays gave up on him.

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by Roger on Jul 5, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the rays didn't give up on him

they traded him for matt joyce who they are very high on and is still very young.

Not jponry.

by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They got Joyce as, they hoped, a cheap plug in to RF to replace Baldelli’s replacement, which he failed to do this season pretty signally, which is why he’s currently in Durham. They traded one of their previous season’s starting pitchers for a defensive minded RF who had posted a decent but not great half rookie season, and they did it because Jackson had performed underwhelmingly in ‘08, because they saved a few million in Jackson’s salary, and because it opened a spot in the rotation for David Price.

It’s hard for me to interpret that trade as much other than giving up on Jackson.

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by Roger on Jul 5, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if joyce hit...

like they expected it wouldn’t seem that way. besides he’s still young and could develop into a good ball player. and you say they traded jackson to open space for price, that doesn’t mean they “gave up on him”.

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by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

two first names... jerk

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Fact : of all the girls named Joyce that I've met

99% of them have been incredibly cute.

by jctGamer on Jul 7, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems the majority of women with my real name are either in porn or professional jobs like doctors, lawers, and the like.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 7, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lawyers even

Porn lawyers though, I don’t know.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 7, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm glasses

/ scurries off before Mrs. Exile lays down the law. Again.

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by daveinexile on Jul 8, 2009 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Put Sanchez back in the rotation, bring up Bowker, find him some starts, see what happens….

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Did everyone see that Hairston got traded to the A’s?

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by jbowl on Jul 5, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Which one?

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by Natto on Jul 5, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scott

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by Natto on Jul 5, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yay! He won’t kill us when we play the Pads!

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by Natto on Jul 5, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and Craig Italliano won’t be able to hit Posey in the head anymore!

by superk1ng on Jul 5, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

WE MIGHT WIN A GAME IN PETCO

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by groug on Jul 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, knowing us, probably not.

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by groug on Jul 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not when the Padres still have Cy Young and Kevin Clemens.

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by Natto on Jul 5, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You forgot Walter “Big Train” Peavy.

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by nvsfg on Jul 6, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

See, the joke is that we make their bad pitchers like Chris Young and Kevin Correia look like all-time greats.

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by groug on Jul 6, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

caribbean

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by merkin on Jul 6, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We will never beat the A's again.

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Oops, sorry, should have specified.

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Please allow me to introduce myself

I’m a man of wealth and taste.

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 5, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Stay thirsty my friend

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Mods , I understand yanking Lince's uh , contribution...

…but wonder why you also yanked my question for Wilriv.

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Deleting all of his comments also deletes any replies to them.

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by Natto on Jul 5, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks.

I will certainly be more judicious in my replies…or at least what sinking ship I attach them to.

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 5, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

henry sosa

what happened to him? he’s on the 40 man roster. i wouldn’t mind him skipping triple a for a start or two. sanchez looks better out the bullpen anyway.

Not jponry.

by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

he is on the 40 man roster because he needed ot be protected from the rule 5 draft. He is not MLB ready.

by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just got the word that he’s nursing a triceps injury. He’s not on the CT roster at the moment, and Garrett Broshuis was recalled to Double-A to take his spot in the rotation.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 5, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sosa's injured again?

Yeesh.

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by thehavenot on Jul 5, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Better that there’s a reason beyond sucking that he isn’t striking guys out?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't believe that not mlb ready.

more ready than sanchez is or sadowski was. let him get a spot start and see what he has.

Not jponry.

by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

He has never pitched in a 5 man rotation and has thrown 73 innings in AA in his career. 5.39K/9 vs 3.05 BB/9.

He is not ready.

by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

not to mention

the seasons in a ball he pitch. and not to mention we’re half way through the season and i was just saying a couple of starts. i didn’t say bring him up to be the five starter and have him start every fifth day.

Not jponry.

by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

stop making sense.

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by zodiac_chiller on Jul 5, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

me?

Not jponry.

by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sosa? We have better options on the 40 man to take a few starts. No.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

like who?

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by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez.

Especially since Baron has already said that Sosa is nursing an injury, so it’s a moot (MUTE) point anyway

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

mute?

i’d like to see sosa get a start or two when he heals. i still don’t think sanchez is the best option to take the 5 spot again. he should earn it and not back into it.

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by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eggcorns.

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by Natto on Jul 5, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok, well, he’s pitched like 3 scoreless and pretty good innings as a reliever so far. That’s more innings than Zito or Cain had to pitch to prove they deserved to go back in the rotation.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

except sanchez

doesn’t get paid like zito and cain is the fucking man. 3 innings of mop up duty doesn’t make me feel like he deserves it. it’s actually made me think he’d be even more nasty coming out the bullpen firing the ball for 2-3 innings.

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by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

nonstatheadgrammarthreadredux

moot: obvious , redundant , meaningless.

mute: quieted , reduced , muffled.

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by victor frankenstein on Jul 5, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moo : Something cows say.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 6, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moolah: Something rich cows have lots of

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by Goofus on Jul 6, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But are they happy cows, just like the ones on T.V.?

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by daveinexile on Jul 7, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Moofasa : say it again!

by jctGamer on Jul 7, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

cain is the fucking man.

I’m sure you loved him just as much back in 2006 when his ERA was around seven.

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by groug on Jul 5, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah i did.

because he was what, 21 years old and he obviously had potential and he was always considered to be the fucking man since he was drafted. sanchez has proven that he is not the fucking man.

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by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

sure…..

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by haverecords on Jul 6, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

why

would any fan throw cain under the bus when he was struggling as a rookie and first year player. he was the original big time prospect we were waiting to bring up. i always loved matt cain. i actually like cain more than i like lincecum. but i love them both.

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by jpo on Jul 6, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

They’ll go with Sanchez in the rotation because they have too many pitchers now as is. I’m hoping they let Bowker come up again and prove that he is as good as he was in the 1st half last year and this year in Fresno.

Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems

by Scooter Ellis on Jul 5, 2009 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

unfortunately, bringing bowker up doesn’t solve the problem of having no viable backup for 2B and SS on the roster

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by Speedforthewin on Jul 6, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Backup? Do we have a viable frontup for either of those positions?

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by Roger on Jul 6, 2009 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We have throw up.

Does that count?

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by daveinexile on Jul 6, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quite frankly, I would NOT like to see Frandsen or Downs up again even though I know the options at SS and 2B are thin. Frandsen does well in ST and in Fresno but becomes a dud once he’s in SF while I think Downs need more time in AAA with Burriss. Uribe is not the answer but he plays good defense and is a definite offensive upgrade at 2nd over any current Giant.

Let Bowkermania 2009 begin but he seriously has to lay off the down and in breaking ball this time…

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by Scooter Ellis on Jul 6, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I probably have one of the founding membership cards of Bowkermania Club but even I don’t think he can play SS or 2nd. And someone desperately needs to be able to besides Uribe and Renteria for every inning of every game to the foreseeable future. With Burriss on the DL with fractured foot the leaves Rholinging ( maybe), Frandsen or , what, Bocock?

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.

by daveinexile on Jul 7, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would say let Sanchez start

Here are the possibilities

A) Sanchez pitches well. He raises his trade value and/or shows the Giants that he could contribute from the rotation in the 2nd half.

B) Sanchez bombs again. We now have further proof that he’s not a long term solution in the rotation and moving him to the pen becomes less controversial

C) Random AA or AAA prospect pitches well. He’s still going down when Johnson comes back. We’ve used up an option and started an arbitration clock, although at least we got a good start out of it.

D) Random AA or AAA prospect gets shelled. He’s still going down when Johnson comes back. We’ve used up an option and started an arbitration clock for nothing. Crap.

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by norcalnick on Jul 5, 2009 10:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ya

This

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 6, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Entirely logical and Reasonable.

I like it. Thus it is probably doomed to be the choice Giatns Brass wants to avoid.

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Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.

by daveinexile on Jul 6, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crazy Idea

The Giants should look into signing Pedro Martinez. If he’s cheap enough a half season run with Pedro in the rotation could work out nicely. He’s had plenty of time to recover from his injury and work himself into shape, he posted pretty solid numbers in the WBC and what’s the worst that could happen, he plays as inconsistently or poorly as Sanchez? Lincecum-Cain-Zito-Martinez-TBS until the Unit comes back and then (assuming TBS doesn’t continue his awesome streak of good luck) we option TBS back to AAA. I don’t want to imagine Pedro taking the mound in the postseason, but as a 4th/5th guy for the rest of this season I can’t see where it would hurt.

by SeanHere on Jul 7, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the idea in theory.

Hasn’t Perdo had like 2 scheduled work outs for scout types he flaked on already this season? If so I really have to wonder just how much he wants to pitch in the MLB and how wise it is to trust pennant chase starts to him.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.

by daveinexile on Jul 8, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol perdo

I kinda want the Giants to sign Glavine, with this RJ injury business happening.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 8, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh

I have absolutely no idea how Glavine slipped my mind. I’ll have to add him to my list with Pedro, Freddy Sanchez and BJ Ryan as guys I’d like to acquire. Picking up Ryan on a minor league deal and seeing if we can get him going on the Blue Jays dime would be nice, making the loss of a bullpen arm in a deal for F. Sanchez hurt less. It’s all crazy talk, I doubt we’ll end up with any of the guys above.

by SeanHere on Jul 8, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Something random I just noticed

Season total of K’s for Johnson: 78
Season total of K’s for Zito: 73

D:

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by Natto on Jul 5, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

swing through stuff!!!

by jctGamer on Jul 6, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Season total of K’s for Lincecum: 141

The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 6, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If only the total number of K’s between Zito and Johnson equaled that number.

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by Natto on Jul 6, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

um

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

?

78 + 73 = 151

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by Natto on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought you were saying “if only the total number of Ks between Zito and Johnson were at least equal to that number”

My bad. You wanted symmetry.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you stand Zito and Johnson face to face and take a picture, it looks like a candlestick!

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by Kitspool on Jul 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sadler

just so we can have a sad back end of the rotation.

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by j14 on Jul 6, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

by jctGamer on Jul 6, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think they should call up Frandsen if Johnson goes to the DL.

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by groug on Jul 6, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Like that would ever happen.

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by Natto on Jul 6, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am just full of implausible ideas!

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by groug on Jul 6, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You….you’re good you. No you are better than good. You’ve got a gift

by wilriv21 on Jul 6, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

vizquel came off of an injury last season

Vizquel is just fine this year and could start for some team, including the giants. I thought the fish could have signed him and moved Hanley Ramirez to third, but no such move. Omar is still in good shape and can hit almost as good at this time as Renteria, and is a much better fielder. All being said, Renteria is ok but just a tad overpaid by about 7 million a year.

by bradleybear on Jul 6, 2009 5:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs