Sanchez for Sanchez? Rumor of Pittsburgh's Freddy for Jonathan.
by objesguy on Jul 4, 2009 9:54 PM PDT
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Was skimming through the SB nation blogs and found this on Bucs Dugout, the Pittsburgh Pirates' SB Nation blog. Here's what they said:
The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the Giants are "thought to" be interested in Freddy Sanchez, and possibly also Adam LaRoche. Yay, passive voice! The Chronicle suggests that the Bucs might trade Freddy for another Sanchez, starting pitcher Jonathan. I do like Jonathan Sanchez, but he's 26 and still has big problems with walks, and anyway, the Pirates have any plenty of rotation options right now. Also, Sanchez hasn't yet posted a big-league ERA below 4.95 despite good strikeout numbers. I'd take him, but the Giants would have to include something else pretty nice. The Pirates should be listening to offers for Freddy, despite the fact that they really have no one to replace him, but a Sanchez-for-Sanchez swap doesn't do it for me.
Big news and with Downs being sent down, this leaves the Giants position player roster very thin and their bullpen very crowded. With inconsistency plaguing second base, Freddy Sanchez is an interesting idea, but the guy has been so hot and cold in his career I'm not sure how good he will be as the everyday second baseman. There has also been Adam LaRoche talks, but I think that would barely be an upgrade over Ishikawa or Bowker in Fresno, who should get a second chance before we go after somebody like LaRoche.
But speaking of Sanchez, do you think we should make the trade? He's looked great coming out of the bullpen, but you can just tell he hates pitching relief and he won't be happy unless he's a starter.
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I’d definitely do Sanchez + anyone other than Bumgarner/Posey/Villalona for Sanchez.
I really think Sanchez would be a great add.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like any of the poll options though.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me neither.
I’d start the conversation with the pirates with : so, you want to unload Laroche’s contract eh?
I mean, seriously, Freddy Sanchez doesn’t walk, he swings the stick, and he plays solid defensive. That’s like Sabean’s wet dream right there.
by jctGamer on Jul 4, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They might want to unload Freddy Sanchez’s contract, too, as he’s due to make $8 million next year if he plays a certain amount this year.
I wonder what the price would be for F. Sanchez and Adam LaRoche? It’d make a lot of sense, frankly, for the Giants to deal with the Pirates — at least from our perspective.
My dream would be to add Sanchez, LaRoche and Bowker (in LF) to the lineup.
by Dan from NM on Jul 4, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too, really. It’s like an automatic offense! Just add Sanchez and LaRoche and stir!
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The defense gets better too at 2B. The only downside is Ishikawa has no role on the team because he can’t platoon with another left hander.
by jctGamer on Jul 4, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Ishikawa, but if we’re being rational and honest, that’s not that big of a downside.
Maybe the Pirates will take him in a deal? :D?
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind Ishikawa either, but if something better comes along……
by jctGamer on Jul 4, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
throwing in Travis
if we do, LaRoche is a FA after 2009 and then we go into 2010 without a first baseman, unless we’re ready to hand that job to Bowker, which I don’t think, given his defense at that position, the Giants should do.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 4, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or we could re-sign LaRoche or find someone else. I mean, Ishikawa really doesn’t seem like a long-term solution.
We wouldn’t have an obvious first baseman going into 2010? Good, because the ones we’ve got right now aren’t really viable options.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IAW
ALL TC
Also, Sanchez for Sanchez and LaRoche? WTF PIttsburger lol
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by natteringnabob on Jul 5, 2009 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am decidely “meh” on LaRoche now days. For 3 months i think I would almost rather wait and see what happens at first more. Maybe make a waveir wire claim for abetter bat at 1st in august and go from there.
Freddy intrests me but he is so darn hot & cold ( this year hot) and will be 32 next year. (By the way he missed couple game to stiff back recently.) Beware of age 33 man. If the price is right ( a couple of the A ball arms the Gaitns Brass are not extreamly hot to trot on) i am fine with that but nothing off the top shelf.
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by daveinexile on Jul 5, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why Bowker is no longer an option at 1b. He’s no JT Snow, defensively, but he didn’t seem that bad
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 5, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see him make very many errors.
And I remember him making some decent picks.
Was it bad jumps or something? And if it was bad jumps, he still does have decent speed (probably excellent among first basemen), so that could have helped make up for it.
Maybe I just missed him looking horrible out there.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 5, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him as being pretty bad. His UZR wasn’t awful though, I guess.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What were some of the bad things he did?
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 5, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember just him muffing a lot of throws to first. He had 6 errors there, plus I remember some that were attributed to the other fielders when it was a play he should have made.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure I remember him doing something terrible in Cleveland which necessitated the infamous AL double switch with Aurilia coming in to replace him at first.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 5, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember him being particularly bad in that game. I just think Bochy wanted better defense.
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by groug on Jul 5, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you’ve all noticed that Bowker has been playing 1B for Fresno for the last several games…
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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a great deal too because the Pirates don’t seem to be asking for much in trades. I don’t know what they got in the McLouth deal, and all they got in Morgan deal was a Lastings Milledge who had underachieved, didn’t want to be there in Washington anymore and was playing AAA.
If there’s any team where we might get away with a trade where we don’t lose any of our top prospects (Bumgarner, Villalona), the Pirates is that team.
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by objesguy on Jul 4, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they seem to be going for high upside players, so a Sanchez for Sanchez and Merkin deal might get it done, even.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 5, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s funny that teams still like Milledge’s “upside”.
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 5, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda like how G’s fans like Jonathan Sanchez’s?
by microwave donut on Jul 6, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt LaRoche’s contract bothers them much. More they want to recharge their farm so they might have enough talent on day at one time to challenge for the division some year. I would say moving Sanchez’s contract would have more appeal to the Pirates. Wilson’s contract as well if that had anything near a MLB ready SS.
The last has been the same story every year for the handful of years it seems. It is a good example why we should not trade Crawdford as well. It is not like I expect Crawford to be a H.O.F. type guy it is the terrible position a team gets in when it finds is has no remotely viable SS option in house.
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by daveinexile on Jul 5, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. On all counts, actually. The guy has a batting title (OMG, batting averagez!) and is a good fielder. DO WANT!
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by cornball on Jul 4, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 5, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 5, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too late to trade Luis Pujols for Albert?
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by Goofus on Jul 4, 2009 10:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so, somebody is saying that somebody else is reporting that the Giants are “thought to be” interested in a good player at their position of greatest weakness? Man, this is one hell of a scoop.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 4, 2009 10:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s a scoop so much as just food for thought.
by Dan from NM on Jul 4, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09186/981978-63.stm?cmpid=pirates.xml
MIAMI — The Pirates and San Francisco have had trade talks regarding second baseman Freddy Sanchez and, to a lesser extent, first baseman Adam LaRoche, each of whom can be a free agent after this season.
The Giants have had a scout following Sanchez, a source confirmed yesterday, and their interest in LaRoche goes back several months. Their preference at first base, though, is for a right-handed bat.
A personal scout is pretty strong evidence of interest.
by jctGamer on Jul 4, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*_____*
please.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we pickup those 2
Rowand
Winn
Sandoval
LaRoche
Sanchez
Juggernate
Molina
Renteria
That is, like, a major league lineup. Or something.
by jctGamer on Jul 4, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, honestly, that lineup is pretty okay. I really do hope this happens.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds good...
I’m a bit reluctant to give up both Dirty and Tim II for a rental… we really don’t have that much pitching that’s ready to step into the #5 role. OTOH, if we make the playoffs…
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by shikantaza on Jul 4, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m at a point where I’m ready to give up Alderson for that package, but not both Alderson and Sanchez.
I do, however, think a Alderson Sanchez Winn for Laroche Sanchez (insert PTBNL) trade makes sense salary and talent wise.
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by jctGamer on Jul 4, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But trading Tim II wouldn’t throw away our farm system. If we can go for it this year without jeopardizing future years, we have to do it.
Sadowski seems like a legitimate fifth starter too,
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by cheno on Jul 4, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since you didn't finish your sentence, I filled it in with the appropriate ending
Sadowski seems like a legitimate fifth starter too, unless you take his entire minor league career into account. But for two starts he has done well.
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by groug on Jul 4, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But how good do you have to be to be a fifth starter?
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by cheno on Jul 4, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how good to be you have to be when you get 20 runs of support in your first two games?
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by objesguy on Jul 4, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because that had a lot to do with how he pitched…
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by cheno on Jul 4, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have the pitching staff to have a chance against any team in a short series...
the question is whether we have a good chance to make it. We’re leading in the wild card race, but that’s a lot of teams to compete with and I could really see a team like the Cardinals or Mets going on a winning streak. Getting Sanchez and LaRoche would certainly help our chances of pulling away, but these other teams might add on too.
I’ll be pretty upset if we give up Alderson and Sanchez for a shot this year and then we don’t make it. But that doesn’t mean that they should go for it. I just think that Alderson is a high price… it wouldn’t be like the Schmidt deal.
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by shikantaza on Jul 4, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
idk
I wasn’t a big baseball fan back then, but just going off the numbers, Vogelsong looks like he was a pretty solid prospect. Nice K-rates and walk-rates. He was pitching extremely well in Fresno at the time of the trade.
Obviously, he didn’t turn out too well, but his numbers look comparable to Alderson, if not a bit better. (Alderson has been younger for his levels, of course, but Vogelsong was always more or less age appropriate up until the point of the trade.)
I mean, my point is, Alderson is a good prospect but he’s also not that beloved by scouts and his stats are good but not great – there are significant warning signs (K-rate under 7 this year…) If we could get an upgrade for the lineup like this for that price, I’d do it.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remeber Vogelsong ever being a top-100 prospect, but the rankings aren’t everything. Alderson is pretty consistently top 50, and will probably be around the same next year. Honestly, I don’t even really remember that much excitement about Vogelsong, but I didn’t follow prospects quite as closely then.
In my view, Sanchez + Alderson is more than what we gave up for Schmidt. That’s not to say it isn’t a deal we should do.
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by shikantaza on Jul 4, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW I don’t think it will be sanchez + alderson. I think it is one or the other, and that is a price I am willing to pay.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Schmidt deal was a bit different
Schmidt himself was a chronic underachiever with Pirates, which made him somewhat expendable. Vogelsong, if I remember the times (RIP MJ), had made a couple unimpressive appearances with the big club and hadn’t impressed anyone. And Armando Rios was a massively flawed player, but a player with good pop who seemed like he might develop into an everyday outfielder. Remember that the Pirates also sent us the theoretically-useful John Vander Wal, who was one of those Lenny Harris / Mark Sweeney-type “professional hitters.” That Schmidt became what he did after the deal shouldn’t fool us into thinking he was so great beforehand — in fact, I’m 95% sure Righetti taught him the changeup that became his signature pitch and put him over the top.
In any case, for what it’s worth, my memory of hearing about the Schmidt deal was “oh great, there go two pieces I’ll never care about again for a guy who might be useful.” (Again, if memory serves, Schmidt had pitched fairly recently against the Giants and completely dominated them, so his abilities had been on display.)
I really don’t think there’s much similarity between the Jason Schmidt deal and the proposed trade for Freddy Sanchez. If we can acquire Sanchez for some collection of middling talents who don’t seem to have a lock on making the bigs, I’m all ears; but so long as we’re still “rebuilding” (or at least waiting for reinforcements to get here from down below), I’d hate to see us sabotage our momentum in that regard just to take a crack at a Wild Card berth that is only currently open because of shocking underachievement from about five other teams who are better than us on paper.
If it’s July 27 and we’re still two games up on the Wild Card, I’ll reconsider. But for now I’d like to get Downs or Frandsen back up to bolster the infield situation, and see if Sanchez has made any progress.
Oh, and one other thing: I’m not sure I agree that Sanchez is really a big asset as a reliever. He’s had a handful of scoreless innings in meaningless games where he has been able to add two or three miles per hour to his fastball, but other than that, everything is still the same: he still has no feel for his secondary pitches, and he is still prone to making location mistakes with the fastball. Until he can refine his mechanics to hte point of having a consistent release point and arm slot, he won’t be much help out of the bullpen or in the rotation.
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by Rick Parker (Lewis) Can't Lose on Jul 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on all accounts. And I miss Rick Parker….
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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vogelsong got hurt pretty quickly.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 5, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That trade was definitely Sabean's best
Both Rios and Vogelsong got hurt immediately while Schmidt became one of the best pitchers in baseball
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 5, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets are fucked for awhile, they have a TON of injuries. Also their SP isn’t so hot either.
Cards could go on a win streak I guess, but pretty soon people arent going to pitch to Pujols at all and I doubt those guys behind him will make them pay.
I think the Giants chances get better and better as they keep winning. They’ve been playing like .600 ball or so over the past month.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 5, 2009 3:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cards get Holliday
we could be in trouble
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 5, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards can’t afford Holliday. They can’t add payroll. And I don’t really think they can swap salaries with Oakland because they don’t really have anyone they can trade in order to take on Holliday’s salary.
And the only way they could get Oakland to pay it all is if they traded their entire farm system.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 5, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wouldn’t mind it too much, though I’d have to hesitate for a bit. Plus Sanchez might not be a rental.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hate to give up Tim II for a rental.
Sanchez, not as much.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 5, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This.
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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please to revise
Winn
Nate
Sandoval
LaRoche
Rowand
Sanchez
Molina
Renteria
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by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 4, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nate in the 2 hole defies all logic. High SLG, low OBP, TWO HOLE!!!!!
by jctGamer on Jul 4, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he should be hitting 5th or 6th.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know his current stats indicate your position, jp, but I think Nate would blossom in the 2-hole, and increase in those very stat categories.
At least, that is my belief.
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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I think Nate would be Nate no matter where he hit. Moving to the 5-hole didn’t give Fred Lewis more power, and moving to the 2-hole wouldn’t make Nate more patient.
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by groug on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah – some guys change their approaches in a different spot in the order, but not always for the better. Look at “Randy Winn – Situational Hitter” – he should just hit like he normally does instead of automatically doing things like “MUST HIT TO THE RIGHT SIDE WITH RUNNER ON 2ND”
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, while it doesn’t make a huge difference, optimally, the best hitter should bat 4th and the second-best should bat 2nd. The CW idea of what constitutes a good 2-hole hitter is about 25 years out of date.
That said, IF Rowand stays in the leadoff spot, and I don’t see why not, because he does have the best OBP besides Panda, AND Bowker isn’t in the lineup, I would like to see Rowand/Winn/Schierholtz/Panda/Ishikawa/everyone else. That way you get righty/switch/lefty/switch/lefty to screw with the opposing manager’s bullpen usage.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
… then you get to Molina/Renteria/Uribe, and the opposing manager’s RH reliever has the happiest day of his life.
by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to True.
But the n we get the pain out of the way in one side. Say on a average of 10 piches?
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by daveinexile on Jul 6, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The opposing reliever could pitch with his foot and get those guys out, so I’m not sure whether it matters that much.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 6, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
This “logic” you speak of is intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Fine switch Nate for Sanchez.
Oh, and move Rowand to Lead off and put Bowker at the 5 hole against Lefties.
by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 4, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Sanchez is really more of a prototypical 2 hitter
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 5, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
Nate has a higher OBP than Winn right now… Don’t know how that changes things.
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by giants9107 on Jul 5, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s all batting average. He’s not going to hit .320 for ever (his BABIP is .374). When/if it drops to a more reasonable .290, his OBP will be around .315, unless he actually learns to take a pitch.
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by Cookyman on Jul 5, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that actually happens, I bet Molina will still bat fourth.
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by Natto on Jul 4, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIBBIES!!!!!
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by i did my job on Jul 5, 2009 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably. The only thing that would get him out of there is maybe LaRoche or a big bat
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 5, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have to be bigger bat than LaRoche
like Pujols big
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 5, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, Like Molina Wouldn't Still Bat 4th No Matter What
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Dammit, I should really read everything before posting
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jul 5, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the RH bat thing is a big deal. It’s the only reason that Richie is still on this team – they just can’t find another RH bat that they can platoon at 1st base and/or 3rd. LaRoche doesn’t solve that problem.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 4, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is an upgrade over Ishikawa though, about a full win so far this year. Getting a RH bat is great, but the Giants can still use good bats period. Adding a 120 OPS+ bat to this lineup is nothing to sneeze at, no matter his handedness.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t get behind increasing payroll by what 8 million for WAR +1. Sure we’re not a small market team but I prefer us not to be in a financial bind come time for renewing Lincecum and co.
by SeeingStars on Jul 5, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering the current 2B WAR…. ?
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by haverecords on Jul 5, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Giants’ have alot of money coming off of the books after this year, and I really don’t see the holes that would require them going nuts throwing around money this offseason. There’s no big first baseman or outfielder that I’m going to wish they had lots of money to pursue. Matt Holliday is going to be subject of a pretty big bidding war, and based on his season this year, I’m not sure he’s worth it. I don’t think paying Freddie Sanchez 8 million next year would be a problem.
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by rxmeister on Jul 5, 2009 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no I meant regarding LaRoche. The Sanchez scenario is of course something we have to entertain because we’re devoid of anyone there. If Ishikawa’s bat doesn’t stick try the likes of Guzman or Bowker before we go through the free agency route at 1B.
by SeeingStars on Jul 5, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely. Leave Adam LaRoche with his brother; I would much rather have just Sanchez.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 5, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche is WAR +1 and would be off the books after this season and would only cost like ~3.5 mil for the rest of this season.
Sanchez, on the other hand, would be like WAR + a lot at this point.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t imagine the Giants would bring in LaRoche to let him walk. Our rotation looks dominant for years to come so to bring in a soon to be free agent post-Bonds era would be kinda odd.
by SeeingStars on Jul 5, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Jul 5, 2009 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do do do do do do do
Jesus is just alright with me
Thee is no logical explanation for keeping Richie on the team at this point. Is there really any chance that Guzman would hit any worse than Aurilia?
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by Goofus on Jul 5, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is, however, and good chance that Guzman’s defense would be considerably worse than Richie’s – at any position.
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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is always my favorite part of trade season “______ team has a scout following ______ player”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 4, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade talk confirmed + scouts presence, you do know that nobody can talk about another team’s player because that is considered tampering right?
This is actually the strongest evidence of any kind that I have seen linked to the Giants regarding trades this season.Why are you dismissing it as if it has nothing to stand on? If this is not worthy of a “scoop”, then the writers might as well close up shop. Baggs certainly has not found anything that is more concrete than this.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a pavlovian response.
The players the Giants are rumored to be interested in at the deadline are rarely the ones they end up trading for. It’s almost as if Sabean’s trying to trick everyone.
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by Bhaakon on Jul 5, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrek Lee
RHH who plays 1b with a GG. Lee is signed thru 2010 @ $13M a season.
Why the Cubs make the deal?
a) Both Hoffpauir and Jake Fox waiting in the wings
b) Save money
Why Giants make the deal?
a) Solid bat/glove
b) Experienced vet
by wilriv21 on Jul 5, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Are Not Sellers And I Don't See Them Giving Up On Their Post Season Hopes.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs fans, by their own admission, wants to trade lee and play Hoffpauir / Fox THIS SEASON.
They view Lee as someone not movable, though, because of salary. He’s their Randy Winn. We want Winn gone so Bowker can play THIS SEASON, they want LEE gone the same way.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying
Winn for Lee? GIT R DUNNE
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Jul 5, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely!!
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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans are not always indicative of how the front office thinks.
See: this website.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 5, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee looks to be more of a canidate for a possible waiver wire (post July 31) claim to me.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 5, 2009 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This....
Makes sense.
I’m diggin’ it.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 5, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, this rumor came from a Pittsburgh paper. The Pirates can certainly tell the writer that the scout is there to look at Sanchez, even if the Giants’ scout is not allowed to say why he’s there.
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by rxmeister on Jul 5, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure?
I’ve heard GMs discuss trade talks they’ve had. At the time, didn’t Sabean admit that they had discussed a Lincecum/Rios deal, but hadn’t made up their minds?
I thought it’s only tampering when you talk directly to a player (or representative) who’s signed or discussing signing a signed player.
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by Goofus on Jul 5, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve probably believed in Sanchez way too long and longer than most, but I wouldn’t give him up for Freddy Sanchez. He’s got nasty stuff and even if he doesn’t work out as a starter, he can be a dominant reliever.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 4, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you might be selling Freddy Sanchez short – he’s a very good player (other than last year, but the three years before that, he was a 3+ win player and is on pace for over 4 this season). He plays a position of severe need for the Giants (second base) and he plays it very well. He’d be a huge upgrade.
At this point, Sanchez could potentially be a good reliever but I’m scared and I’m thinking that maybe he ain’t that youuuuung anymore. Uh… but seriously, he’s 26 already and has a career ERA over 5. Even if you think he can be a good reliever, I think a good second baseman is far more valuable to the team right now.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 for the Springsteen reference
Also, I’d make that trade. Adding another chip would be OK with me as long as said chip is not blue.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 4, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both Freddie Sanchez And Adam LaRoche Please.
i think the following four players should get it done. Jonathan Sanchez, Pirates choice of Travis Ishikawa or Fred Lewis, Pirates choice of any second basemen at Fresno, and Pirates choice of any pitcher at Fresno.
by giantsrainman on Jul 4, 2009 11:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's idiotic.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 5, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez and Laroche for Sanchez, Ishi, Downs and Pucetas. That’s the trade, and it seems like a lot to give up when one of our two acquisitions either leaves in october or else signs a contract that blocks one of our key prospects longterm while putting up numbers that dont really make him worth it. You wouldnt give all that up just for Sanchez, I hope…
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by i did my job on Jul 5, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't See Those Players We Would Be Giving Up As Important To 2010 And Beyond
I do see taking a real shot at the post season and post season sucess this year worth overpaying some.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it
but I agree with GRM.
Pucetas, Downs and Ishi aren’t that great.
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by Viliphied on Jul 5, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
two solid major leaguers for four guys that probably won’t ever be? gimme gimme gimme
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by natteringnabob on Jul 5, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not nearly enough to give up. There just isn’t enough quality there. The best player in that package is a 26-year old who, if you squint, looks like Oliver Perez. It’s that and a bunch of filler. Why would the Pirates want to do that deal?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 5, 2009 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. The package GRM proposed is not enough. It will likely cost Alderson, and I’ll begrudgingly bite the bullet for a chance at playoff birth and a solid 2B for next year (albeit an expensive one)
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It Will Not Cost Alderson. You Too Are Forgetting About The Salary Dump Component For The Pirates.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time a shitty team is trying to shed salary at the deadline, they give their players away.
Right
by kingofthacove on Jul 5, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the one the brought this up (read post 3), so no I have not forgotten. Salary shedding alone isn’t enough motivation. It is a nice carrot, but there needs to be some meat behind it.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates could have simply dumped salary with all the other transactions they’ve made. They didn’t.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jul 5, 2009 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Are Forgetting That The Deal Is Also A Salary Dump For The Pirates
However, I disagree with your accessment of the talent we would be giving up. There is upside and it will all contribute long after the rest of this year left on Adam LaRoche’s contract plus another year left on Freddy Sanchez’s contract.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Downs: Mediocre prospect
Pucetas: Mediocre prospect
Ishikawa: Below average first baseman
The Pirates have to know there is a team that will give up more than that for LaRoche and Sanchez, who are both solid players, even with their salaries (which are completely reasonable for their production and not long-term franchise killers). Also, are there sources saying the Pirates need to cut payroll? Because I’m not sure they do.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 5, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Downs Ain't The Only 2B At Fresno.
I offered a choice of Ishikawa or Lewis and Pucetas is a better prospect then you are giving him credit for and he too ain’t the only pitcher at Fresno.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are overvaluing our prospects and undervaluing their players, like countless other fans on websites such as PSD and sfgiants.com.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I even bother?
you are giantsrainman. I forgot.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come With Something Other Then Just Your Opinion And I Will Listen.
Shouting your opinion will get you nowhere.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Sanchez and Doumit are the only players left that can net MLB ready talent (or super prospects) in return. Pittsburgh is not going to just give them away for a 26 year old bullpen arm, and a couple of B/C level prospects.
2. If they trade Sanchez, they do not have any major league ready 2B to step in, and no, Frandsen and Downs are not the same caliber of players that hey are looking for. They closest they have is Shelby Ford, and since you probably have no clue who he is, I will tell you that he is nowhere close to MLB ready.
Freddy Sanchez can be had, but it needs to be the right package. The package you proposed is not close to right. Think of it from their perspective, would you be happy to trade the single best player on your team for Oliver Perez and a couple of fillers?
Now please, go do some research. Your opinion sucks.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't You Notice What They Got For The Two Starting Outfielders They Traded?
The value of the package I suggest the Giants offer is very simular.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about Morgan and McClouth?
Or Bay and Nady from last year?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would take Sanchez and Sosa at least, plus Lewis/Ishikawa (depending on whom the Pirates wanted to trade with their Sanchez) and probably Frandsen/Burriss. At least with the pitching arms, there’s a decent amount of upside, whereas there isn’t much w/the mIF’s, Pucetas and Lewis/Ishikawa.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Would Be Fine With Sosa Instead Of One Of The AAA Pitchers.
That said, I see Pucetas and Sosa as having simular value.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I’d rather trade Sosa than Pucetas – I think we’ll need Pucetas in our rotation next year for sure, and maybe for the rest of this year.
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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
um... i am not sure how to answer this because your assumptions are off base to begin with.
1. You are offering more quantity. Quantity does not equal quality. In fact, it means more players that the pirates need to carry on 40 man rosters, which is pretty terrible.
2. The McClouth deal was a win for the pirates. There are 2 legitimate prospects in that package. Gorky is a legitimate CF prospect and Charlie Morten, at this juncture in time, is more valuable than Jonathan Sanchez. Sanchez is on the 40 man roster, is 26, and is considered damaged goods after how this season unraveled.
3. The Nationals deal was another win for the pirates. Again, the player they traded was a 29 year old OF with solid defense but no pop and is too old to break out. The package they got back includes a live arm and lastings milledge, who has more value than any of the 4 players you mentioned in your package.
So I don’t see HOW the package you offer is very similar, because if you are comparing similar players (mclouth), the package Atlanta gave up is far greater than what you are giving up here. If you are comparing Morgan, that player is far worse than Freddy Sanchez.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We Just Disagree And Now That You Have Stopped
the name calling that is fine with me.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean, you don't really have anything of value to say
so you are looking for a graceful exit?
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You both could be a little nicer about it.
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by Goofus on Jul 5, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely I could, and you probably have noticed I do not have this kind of hostility toward any other fan on this board. His condescending tones annoys me, and the fact that he repeated 3 separate times on 3 separate posts about “once again, you are forgetting about the salary dumping of the pirates” annoys the hell out of me.
That and the whole “little boy it’s past your bedtime”.
I guess it’s just years of internet warrior in me. years of newsgroup and IRC experience will do that do you, lol. And honestly, I actually held back a lot in these posts. I am not willing to to go full board 4chan forum bashing on here.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your point is well understood. I apologize for the hostility and it won’t happen again. Btw before you went that last message to me, I sent an email off to Grant and you. If you have access, check it please. It was sent prior to the last message I received.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure teams are enamored with 1B and LF that are putting up a .720 OPS in their primes. A 25 year old with a 5 K/9 in AAA? And a 25 year old who couldn’t crack a .800 OPS in the PCL?
Wow, why aren’t we packaging these guys for Pujols?
by kingofthacove on Jul 5, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, They Know Stats Are Not The End All Of Player Evaluation
unlike you and your twin wantabe saber idiot.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, it’s subjective criteria thought up by our favorite evaluator, giantsjizzgargler.
by kingofthacove on Jul 5, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa whoa whoa
Lay off Watanabe
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not.
But they’re damned important, and pretty damning in this case. If the Giants though Pucetas really had that kind of value, Sadowski probably wouldn’t be in the rotation right now.
On the other hand, my years of scouting experience tells me that the Pirates might not know any better.
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by Bhaakon on Jul 5, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Big Sidowski Got The Call Because Pucetas
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you capitalize the first letter of each word? Just curious
by m34josh on Jul 5, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because your rage blinds you to the FACTS?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only The First Line (Or Title If You Will).
Think of it as my signature.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would Have Had To Pitch On Just Two Days Rest
His twin short shutouts has keep him here and earned him at least another start before the All-Star Break.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Giants made the decision to skip Sanchez so late in the game.
Pucetas could have missed his turn and gone on long rest.
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by Bhaakon on Jul 5, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I don't know
Sabean isn’t exactly the whiz of the 40
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here We Disagree.
I think Sabes would have prefered to keep Sanchez in the rotation in the belief that this would make him easier to trade and increase the return. It took a while for Bruce to convince Sabes to drop Sanchez from the rotation.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, but that still left a second possibility.
Lincecum could have started that game on his normal rest, allowing Pucetas to work into the next turn in the rotation. This isn’t really even a hoop to jump through, as one would think that a contending team with a top-heavy rotation would routinely skip its 5th starter when the opportunity arose.
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by Bhaakon on Jul 5, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But The Someone (Jonson or Pecutas) Would Have To Pitch
on just 3 days rest the next day.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson could have gone on full rest as well.
The off day came between his and Cain’s turn. Pucetas could have then pitched the 30th on 4 days rest, with no starter getting shorted.
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by Bhaakon on Jul 5, 2009 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Mistake.
They could then have indeed done this and therefore I will just have to take them at the word that they wanted to have both Lincecum and Johnson get an extra day of rest because of this scheduled off day.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a legitimate reason, however.
It’s one that would be easily discounted if Pucetas’ stock was notably higher than Sadowski’s.
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by Bhaakon on Jul 5, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember hearing that it was the minor league coaches that pushed for Sadowski to get the call up, something about how he had put everything together and was throwing real well.
He certainly seems more polished than the typical guy making his first two big league starts.
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by Goofus on Jul 5, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that? Do you have some inside sources that says the Giants didn’t plan ahead? Is this your opinion again?
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Am Going By The Timing Of The Announcement.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is to their advantage to announce it as late as possible, and if they have made up their mind 4 days ago, per say, pucetas would pitch on his normal rest as if nothing has happened.
Your conclusion of sabean mishandling the Pucetas situation based on the timing of the announcement is flawed. Under your assumption, the Giants needs to announce it 4-5 days in advance, allowing for the opposing team to gather as much intel on Sadowski as possible.
Is it possible that you made up your mind first, then looked for clues to backup your assumption, and thus ran yourself into a pickle in this argument? Sort of like drawing your graph, then ploting your points?
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actally It Is Your That Is Desportatly Seeking
to try and shape the facts to support your assumption that the Giants just fucked up as you always assume is the case.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If pucetas comes up and only take 1 turn or 2, he will not slip past waivers if they need his spot on the 40 man roster.
If Sadowski comes up and takes 1 turn or 2 and doesn’t do well, he stood a lesser chance of not clearing waivers.
Please tell me you understand this concept? This was reported by Baggs.
So you are not just stupid, you are also misinformed. Great.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pucetas Has Penty Of Options Left
He would not have to go thru waivers to be returned to Fresno.
P.S. The only reason I resonded to you this time is because I am thinking that even would might appriciate being corrected on a matter of fact.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, this is not an options question. read again.
The point is, the Giants 40 man roster is full. If they need a 40 man roster spot, Bocock is likely to go. After him? There isn’t anybody. English? Sosa?
The point is they created the 40 man roster spot by moving Pichardo to the 60 day DL. They were expecting the fill in player to make a couple of starts, then be optioned down for another infielder. After that? When Joe Martinez needs to come off the DL, they will need a 40 man roster spot.
The end result is somebody will need to be removed from the 40 man roster and the only way you can do that is to subject the player to waiver.
The idea is Sadowski will be able to get through waiver much more easily than Pucetas.
Do you finally understand this now? Your comment :
P.S. The only reason I resonded to you this time is because I am thinking that even would might appriciate being corrected on a matter of fact.
is completely laughable because you don’t even understand what you are responding to. This is getting sad.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Did Indeed Incorrectly Read You
as refering to the 25 man roster. Now that I understand that you are talking about the 40 man roster I find your arguement to be just a strawman. Whatever trades the Giants make will most likely clear some 40 man roster space. the Giants won’t need another 40 man roster spot until Joe Martinez has maxed out his rehap assignment which will not occur until after the All-Star Break. If the Giants haven’t traded by then they are many other players far more likely to go before Ryan including one Rich Aurilia.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is wrong.
1. This was reported by Baggs. I am telling you what the front office was thinking when his move was made. This is not a strawman argument.
2. You are assuming the Giants make a move.
3. You are looking at hindsight. Before Ryan made his start nobody knew if he was going to get bombed or if he was going to do well. The organization made a decision to bring up a player that is likely to perform at the same level this year (a more polished product that has less upside) than Pucetas because they feel they have a better chance of sneaking him through waivers after his start here is done.
Obviously he did far better than expected and, for now, he is here to stay. That still doesn’t preclude the Giants from doing their due diligence and plan for the worst case scenario.
The whole idea is if Sadowski’s spot is needed, they can likely DFA him and nobody will care. If Pucetas spot is needed, they DFA him and a team like the Padres will jump at picking him up.
They made the move that offer themselves the best flexibility. Now do you finally see how far ahead the Giants front office were compared to you? (and your "oh i didn’t realize pucetas can make his normal start if lincecum and johnson pitched on normal rest)
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not True.
They could just option him back to Fresno, return Sanchez to the rotation for the two remaining starts before the All-Star break, and either keep Downs or call up one of the other middle infielders (Frandsen, Burriss, or Velez) while optioning Downs down too.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like, just wow.
How many times do I have to repeat myself that 40 man roster is the issue, not 25 man? Spot refers to 40 man roster.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Pirates just give up
Nate McLouth for a bunch of mediocre prospects?
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 5, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gorkys Hernandez got a B- from Sickels
Downs, Ishikawa and Pucetas haven’t gotten B-‘s since grade school. Downs and Pucetas haven’t even cracked the C+ level.
Outside of Jonathan Sanchez, who continues to be a talented question mark, the rest of that proposed “package” is roster filler. Roster filler is the absolute last thing the Pirates need right now.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
There’s a thread on BBTF about this possible trade now and most of the Pirates fans seem to be under the impression that there would be a definite salary dump component to it.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you wouldn’t trade those four players for the other two, you’re SERIOUSLY overvaluing your prospects. I doubt any of those guys other than maybe Sanchez ever puts up a season comparable to what F. Sanchez is doing right now.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might do this
But I don’t think the Pirates would b/c of a big lack of upside (mostly).
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how this guy always goes through the trouble of capitalizing every word up here
but can’t capitalize “I” down here
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by jordanovich on Jul 5, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would give up Dirty in a second for this deal. The only question is how much more it would take beyond him. With both pirates due for a new contract, I don’t think its worth giving up Tim2 or any other of our top 5 prospects. Beyond that, get er done sabean!
by m34josh on Jul 5, 2009 12:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
People are highly undervaluing what it would take
Freddy and LaRoche are their two best players.
Lewis and Ishikawa as integral parts? These players have essentially 0 value. Sanchez doesn’t have much value either, and probably wouldn’t be more than a secondary piece.
by kingofthacove on Jul 5, 2009 12:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Once Again Another Poster Fails To Understand The Salary Dump Needs Of The Pirates.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious to know what makes you think there's a "need" for the Pirates to dump salary.
I’m sure they’d like to but I don’t think their owner is pressing them to do so, is he?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don’t. He is talking out of his ass. They would like to, but it isn’t a pressing need. They want talent in return first and foremost.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Are Contributing Nothing.
Time for you to go to bed. It is way past your little boy bedtime.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys are gonna keep bantering like this on the internet, head over to dailykos or some other dumb blog site
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 5, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, i have contributed so far
1. Giving you the 2 pirates trades
2. Telling you what the pirates 2B situation is like if they trade Sanchez
3. Outlining your flawed reasoning regarding the organization’s handling of Pucetas vs Sadowski
and if you supposed to put me down with the little boy comment, you misfired, old man.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike With You, Beatown415 And I Are Having A Rational Conversation.
Please stay out as your thoughts nolonger interest me.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you do not own this board
i post whenever I see you are wrong. It is often. If you don’t like it, leave.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
your rational conversation
is throw out a point, get owned, ignore the fact that you are getting owned, and run away from the conversation by calling me a little boy and asking me to leave.
nice.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because This Is The Kind Of Trade Partner Sabes Said He Would Be Seeking
as far back as spring training.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He recently said in an interview with Ralph and Tom
that not enough teams are sellers, and the idea of taking salary dumps has not materialized because teams are not shedding salary the way he thought they were going to be.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Claiming This Proves Nothing.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You claming the pirates need to sell
proves even less.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Is My Last Response To You.
Have you looked at the Pirates attendence figures? Do you have any understanding of the Pirates financial situation? I thought not.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have any understanding
of the major league revenue sharing program? You might want to look that up before you insert more foot in your mouth.
Just a thought.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, because it was interesting to show that you are wrong
The pirates attendance record over the last 7 years shows that they average around 21K fans a game. This year they are drawing 18.4K.
This decrease is consistent with what all mlb teams are seeing.
So no, they do not need to immediately shed payroll because they are losing 10% of the attendance, which is about right if you look at attendance records across the board.
Also, that loss is insignificant compared to the money they receive from national television revenue sharing and luxury tax sharing.
So, do you have any understanding of the Pirates financial situation? I thought not.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy 1 year anniversary?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i didn’t even realize i joined last year this time. thanks.
I used to read this blog anonymously when it was waiting for boof. I decided to register and post last year for some reason I forgot.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean may be seeking it
But it doesn’t really look like the Pirates in straight salary dump (which, by the way you’re describing it, kind of sounds like a fire sale).
On a side note, I keep bringing up the point of high-upside players because the Pirates know they’re not going to compete for a while, have enough decentish-good roster guys on their MLB team right now, and are probably looking for significant contributors for the future. Hence, they’re taking some risks with high-upside guys like Gorkys Hernandez and Milledge.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 5, 2009 2:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I See Jonathan Sanchez As Such A Player.
I also see Manny Burriss as such a player. I could further see the Pirates as seeing either Henry Sosa or Kevin Pecutus as such a player. Finally, we are talking about the Giants taking on more dollars then the Braves did and the Nationals didn’t take on any dollars.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upside?
High-upside guys are almost always guys whose tools exceed their production. J Sanchez is a classic example of this. Burris and Pucetas are not. I’m not saying they don’t have upside, but they don’t have tools that jump off the page. Why did scouts not pay much attention to Pucetas last year when he was getting everyone out? Because he doesn’t throw hard and he doesn’t have a killer secondary pitch. He likely doesn’t have the stuff to be more than a fourth or fifth starter and is, therefore, low-upside. The same reasoning can be applied to Burris, who has never had power, hit for high average or taken a walk. On top of that lack of production, I’ve never seen a single scouting report on Manny that describes his ceiling as anything more than a no-hit, gold-glove 2B. So yeah, there’s defensive upside, but not much at the plate, making him a low-upside player.
And I’m not pulling this out of my butt. Check out the BA archives. Also, McLouth is due for an extension that the Pirates wouldn’t have given him, which did make it a “salary dump” and they still got actual prospects back.
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by cornball on Jul 5, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates want middle infielders too. Some combination of Crawford, Frandsen, Burris and Bocock would certainly get this deal closer to working out
by m34josh on Jul 5, 2009 1:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
do the Giants really have any middle infield talent? Ehire Adrianza probably tops the list
by wilriv21 on Jul 5, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read an article thats linked in the Giants/Pirates story on mlbtraderumors.com. They already have Sanchez and Jack Wilson who apparently is the #1 defensive SS in the league this year. So the Pirates already have the talent, they just don’t want to pay them. So cheaper, less talented players (like the Giants have) might interest them. I think Adrianza is too far away, but Crawford is on schedule to arrive at the same time as their wave of prospects. And maybe they would think Frandsen or Burriss could take over second. But who really knows, I just think lots more pieces than Sanchez would be needed to get this deal done
by m34josh on Jul 5, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford.
Noonan
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by Viliphied on Jul 5, 2009 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade both of those players if SF could get the talent they wanted
by wilriv21 on Jul 5, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here. Especially if it kept tim2 out of the deal. Maybe Sanchez, those two, and another AAA pitcher would be enough to get Sanchez and Laroche
by m34josh on Jul 5, 2009 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
laroche and sanchez
might play well if they’re playing for a contending team. laroche was pretty decent on the braves and has been alright in pittsburgh. he could definitely help. i’m sure we wouldn’t even have to give up that much.
Not jponry.
by jpo on Jul 5, 2009 1:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Getting Freddy Sanchez is the only rumor I like so far, a real upgrade at our weakest position. All the other rumors (Huff, Johnson,Dunn, Dye, Holliday, Konerko) are just awful.
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by Li on Jul 5, 2009 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson for a reliever would have been a good trade.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jul 5, 2009 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Take It You Haven't Checked Out Johnson's UZR This Year.
by giantsrainman on Jul 5, 2009 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have. I just also understand that his UZR over the past 2-3 years is more indicative of his true talent level than his 2009 UZR.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jul 5, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too injury prone IMHO and Ishikawa seems to be slowly but steadily improving. ( http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=4793&position=1B&page=1&type=full )
I’d prefer to continue that experiment.
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by Li on Jul 5, 2009 3:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be a little disappointed if that’s the big trade. Freddy Sanchez is a perfectly generic second baseman, which of course is a big step up, but is he really any better than Adam Kennedy, who would probably come much cheaper?
Nick Johnson and Christian Guzman would be a much better combo.
by Evan on Jul 5, 2009 6:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I, personally, am warming to the Magalia the Gorilla (Hairston). If he can be gotten with given up anything pivotal to the medium term goals I would rather Magalia and a Kennedy type then just a Freddie Sanchez. Of course I’ll take Magalia and Sanchez but I doubt they can get both without giving up pivotal parts.
Next year the Giants can trot out Bowker, Rowand and Magalia with Nate being the #4 and pinch hitting. Magilia gives the team a second CF option and if next year is good he can be either resigned or offered arbitration for 2011. I would be like a now and later deal.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 5, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez and LaRoche together are outhitting (and outplaying) Johnson and Guzman by a ton. I’m not sure why you’d prefer that, unless you think the price would be much lower.
I do like Kennedy a lot but I think you’re really selling Sanchez short by a ton. Kennedy hasn’t had a season as good as Sanchez’s normal season (3+ WAR) since 2005.
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by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson is well established at the .370 wOBA level when he can stay in the lineup, while LaRoche is more like .350. And I believe Johnson is universally regarded as a better glove, though his UZR is crap this year for some reason.
You’re probably right about Guzman, I thought he was doing much better this year for some reason.
by Evan on Jul 6, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worry about Sanchez’s back problems a little.
by xanthan on Jul 5, 2009 6:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This could be a problem. If he were to miss game and/or go on the DL, then his option may not vest and then you are giving up a trade package for a rent a player
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 5, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the option could still be picked up by the Giants even if it dosen’t vest, however.
by tyrannoman on Jul 5, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he made the all-star team, it already vested
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 5, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
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by cornball on Jul 5, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Sanchez making the All Star team has helped our case…
excellent, excellent
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It now vests @ 600 at bats instead of 635 because he made the AS team. He is on pace for more than both those numbers
by m34josh on Jul 5, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes a lot of sense, but I am just a little apprehensive giving up Jsnatch for rental(s).
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 5, 2009 7:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeh..
Me too.
But it has been mentioned here that the Giants would probably look into resigning LaRoche and/or F. Sanchez.
Which I’d be in favor of.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 5, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this idea totally weird?
Wilson + Sanchez for Wilson + Sanchez (Jack and Freddy for Brian and Jonathan, that is).
The Giants would add Renteria and some decent, not great Prospect and vastly improve their MI and get rid of their surplus relievers. The Pirates could then trade Brian Wilson to another team that needs bullpen help.
Jack Wilson has complained about the Pirates’ mgmt and it looks like he wants out. Since he and Freddy are best buddies such a trade should make the two quite happy and give the Giants highly motivated players who’d want to show the Pirates how to win.
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by Li on Jul 5, 2009 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DNW JACK WILSON
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable, but he’s still better than Renteria. OPS+ 2009: Wilson 89, Renteria 76. Better contract, too.
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by Li on Jul 5, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know deep down, that he’s not actually a terrible player but I still have this weird aversion to him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for trading for Freddy Sanchez and have been for a few weeks. The fit seems good. However, I am higher on Ishikawa and his improvement than most. I would trade for just Sanchez. The package you give up would depend on whether you think his option will vest (It should). I might send Burriss and Sanchez back, but it’s hard to say, because no one really knows what Dirty’s value is right now.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 5, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I appear to be higher on LaRoche than most here but I would definitely be fine with just getting Sanchez and letting Ishikawa keep doing his thing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, What do you think of sending burriss back in the trade? He has upside, though he hasn’t done a lot this year. The package I layed out may need more. If so, Maybe throw Scott Barnes in.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 5, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Burriss in the deal in an instant.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 5, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. I don’t really see any offensive upside to him, so he’s rather fungible.
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by cornball on Jul 5, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still feel like Ishikawa’s peak as a player is Adam LaRoche.
I’d be kinda sad if we got an average 1B to replace him, especially since he’s been showing progress of late at the plate. And we’d be hard pressed to find a better defensive 1b.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 5, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. LaRoche is only a .5 win advantage on Ishi right now, and we know exactly what kind of player LaRoche is, while Ishi is presumably still improving.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 5, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
giving up alderson would be a mistake
And the Pirates already have Brad Lincoln tearing it up in the minors after having Tommy surgery. So you know he’s the goof the Pirates took instead of Lincecum
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 5, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez and LaRoche
Would make the Giants the clear favorite to win the Wildcard and give them a decent shot at catching the Dodgers.
Gitr done, swoop, sabes, giants brass, etc.
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by Goofus on Jul 5, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they can get it done for Sanchez + Prospects other then the 4, Do it
This move fills the black hole at 2B with an actual baseball playter
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by CB30 on Jul 5, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Future Giant Sanchez made the All-Star team.
by lincecumania on Jul 5, 2009 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depending on its severity, Johnson’s shoulder strain today suddenly makes J Sanchez someone we might want to keep around a while.
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by Goofus on Jul 5, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sort of like the Brad Penny / John Smoltz / Clay Bucholtz situation in Boston.
You can never have too much pitching.
by jctGamer on Jul 5, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez and Joe Martinez could have a steel cage match
by wilriv21 on Jul 5, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddie Sanchez has missed 4 games with back spasms
Didn’t we have a thirdbaseman, whose career started an early demise because of back spasms? Of course this could keep his plate appearances under 600 and thus not allow his automatic clause to kick in for next year.
by bradleybear on Jul 7, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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