If we get them, will you love them?

by NeifiChicken on Jul 4, 2009 2:21 PM PDT Comment 50 comments

I've been going over some scenario's in my head about bats the Giants might acquire and I keep landing on one scenario I find somewhat likely given the Giants needs, Sabean's tendencies, and our desire to (correctly) hold onto our top tier of prospects. The two names that keep coming to mind are a package, a package of two of the more hated players by Giants fans:

Scott Hairston and David Eckstein

Reasons why I think it makes sense:

1) They the Giants, Sabes loves to acquire Giant killers (see Steve Finley, Mark Portugal, Neifi Perez, Orel Herchiser, etc.). I was half surprised Sabes didn't make a run at Khalil Greene earlier.

2) Hairston can play CF & LF and kills LHP (.375/.451/694). Allowing for more flexibility with our lefty dominant OF options.

3) Won't be free, but clearly wouldn't require any of our top tier prospects

4) Hairston is hitting .314/.371/.559 with a .406 wOBA in the ultimate pitchers park. I don't know what that means to Sabean (especially since he's likely to regress, especially with this BABIP well above his career norms)

5) "Gamerness". Eckstein's gamerness rivals that of Aaron Rowand. Plus Eckstein is a "proven winner" and WS MVP. Veteran leadership, situational hitter (.375 BA w/ RISP), does the little things, yada yada yada

I'm not saying I'm advocating it, but it seems inevitable to me that Sabean will be in on both of these guys. The price? I'm not exactly sure, but my guess would be Fred Lewis and Scott Barnes (maybe even Pucetas), or something comparable.

I guess my question is, if we acquired two hated players like these, how would you guys feel about them? Obviously they'd win you over with success, but I just wanted to see, since I see this as a potentially likely scenario

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I will root for whichever player is on the Gigantes… hell, I forgave Hershiser for a short period. I can root for Hairston.

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Jul 4, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Along the same lines, will you never forgive Jeff Kent, Jason Schmidt, and the great Ramon E. Martinez?

(if so, I’m with you on that one)

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by ThrillisGone22 on Jul 4, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

NEVER

You can come to the Giants and redeem yourself, but going the other way is unforgiveable.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Love David Eckstein. The addition of Hairston would give Sabean the opportunity to move Winn or if he wanted to Rowand.

by wilriv21 on Jul 4, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Just thinking out loud here: Is there really a difference between David Eckstein and Uribe? Both around about .300 wOBA hitters and historically Uribe has been the better defender at 2B. In over 1,000 career innings at 2B Uribe is +8.5 runs. In just under 1,000 career innings at 2B, Eckstein is at -3.5 runs.

The Giants need major help at second base, but I don’t think Eckstein is it.

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by xanthan on Jul 4, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't disagree

Although I do prefer Eckstein, I don’t think it’s a big upgrade (if at all).

The bottom line though is what Sabean thinks, and I could see him valuing a guy like Eckstein highly given the intangibles, et al.

I certainly do think there is something to intangibles, which is why I could see Eckstein being the better player, but it’s clearly not a discernable difference like a Dan Uggla could be

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Jul 4, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

won't mind

they’re both pretty decent, like hairston a lot, eckstein as well, if lewis goes in the deal, i’ll be happy

by sfoakbay on Jul 4, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but the point would/should be partly to shed outfielders, so acquiring Hairston, even with his RHH goodness, doesn’t help in that regard.

To answer your question, I’ll root for whoever wears the Orange and French Vanilla. Like the Albatross, I may not like the situation, but I’ll root for him.

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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

wouldn't mind them

but i like uribe over eckstein. hairston would add some depth to the bench and he’ll stop hitting walk offs against us if we pick him up. i’m still interested to see what happens with their johnson, laroche, and huff. i would prefer laroche, johnson then huff in that order if the giants were to get any of those guys. ishi plays well at home, but he’s not an every day first baseman. maybe we can make both deals, then we’d have a deep bench.

Not jponry.

by jpo on Jul 4, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Just read a Sanchez-Hairston swap rumor

Seems a little steep to me, doubt Sabes would do it

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Jul 4, 2009 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

That is supposed to be the deal. I would like to see us get more back in a trade than that. At one time Sanchez could have gotten Uggla

by gimpsta7 on Jul 4, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I will root for the Giants to win 20-0 every game

as long as Eckstein goes 0-5

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 4, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I will certainly root for them.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jul 4, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ge-fullcount070309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Possible Jonathan Sanchez for Scott Hairston Deal

by Unitard on Jul 4, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t be a fan, even though Sanchez is still a complete mystery into how he’d end up. I’d rather push Sanchez and a price for Uggla

Do you Wazzel?

by NeifiChicken on Jul 4, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I will always hate the shit out of Khalil Greene

even if he plays for the Giants

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 4, 2009 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

What if we give him an enema first?

by Merope on Jul 4, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+109

I will also always hate his damn hair and will have no qualms making fun of his social anxiety disorder.

The combination of both simply makes him “emo”

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by ThrillisGone22 on Jul 4, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought he was more “surfer dude” than “emo”.

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by Natto on Jul 4, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude...

He’s Spicoli.

by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 5, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do not like.
Khalil Greene went on DL 6/29 for anxiety disorder.

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by The Enchanter on Jul 4, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope he doesn’t get better

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 5, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't do it, giants are doing fine so far.

No need to trade an ultra-potential guy like Sanchez, for a giant killer, nevertheless, a part time player.

by bradleybear on Jul 4, 2009 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I would be fine with Hairston, who makes a lot of sense for this team. Eckstein is a clear OBP upgrade over Uribe, but I’d like to think the team could do better.

That said, if we’re giving up Sanchez, who still has some pretty high upside, it would be nice to see something come over with Hairston.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Why doesn't Scott Hairston get more playing time?

by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 4, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

He’s constantly hurt?

Bay City Ball

by xanthan on Jul 4, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He also has historically been a poor hitter against RHP and an absolute lefty-masher

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

so we’d carry 6 OFs again? not a good idea. hairston doesn’t add anything we don’t already have.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 4, 2009 5:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The only reason that would happen is to trade one of Winn/Schierholtz/Rowand

AND THEN BOWKERMANIA COULD RETURN

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fixed

The only reason that would happen is to trade one of Winn/~~Schierholtz~~Lewis/Rowand

AND THEN BOWKERMANIA COULD RETURN

by wilriv21 on Jul 4, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously… even joking about trading Schierholz makes me cringe.

by zuma420 on Jul 4, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about Schierholtz and Pucetas for Sanchez?

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

NO!

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by Lyle on Jul 6, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think Rowand is being traded. His contract is too horrible. I also don’t think Winn is being traded b/c we’re in the race. That leaves either Fred or Nate. I’d be fine with trading either of them. I supposed Hairston could come in depending on what we get for either one, but Sanchez for Hairston would still be too much, imo. But I’m a believer in Sanchez (probably too long, but I can’t help it). The Giants have screwed up his development but he could still be a decent starter or dominant reliever and that’s worth more than Scott Hairston.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 4, 2009 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rowand’s contract is bad and too long, but that $12m for each of the next three years looks a little better every year with the increased MLBAM revenue, MLB Network, etc. This isn’t a Zito contract.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 5, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn’t mind Hairston but I don’t want Eckstein anywhere near the team. There are so many players out there who would be actual upgrades who could probably be had for not very much, don’t pick up one who wouldn’t improve the second base situation at all.

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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I root for anyone in a Giants uniform

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by CB30 on Jul 4, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Lasorda?

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.

by cheno on Jul 4, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’d root for him to pop an aneurysm.

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by cornball on Jul 4, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that would happen on the day I became a Yankee fan

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jul 4, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone remember when the Giants were supposed to go to Tampa, FL?? One of the prospective owners, Vincent Piazza (yes Mike’s father), would have hired Lasorda as the 1993 Tampa Giants manager.

by SFGuy on Jul 4, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Barf

Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

by cornball on Jul 4, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You gave me chills down my spine, seriously.

Why would you say these things.

Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.

by GiantBrass on Jul 4, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I gasped out loud.

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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not in a Giants uniform

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by CB30 on Jul 4, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, as an antique I remember vividly when the Giants hired Leo Durocher from the D———s to manage my team, and despite his having said about Mel Ott that nice guys finished last, I became a great Durocher fan. (One of the salespeople with whom my mother dealt, however, switched from being a Giant fan to being a D——-r fan, because he said that as a good Catholic he could never be a fan of a team who would hire a manager who had been divorced. This was a long time ago.)

by campanari on Jul 4, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs