maybe the Giants just weren't that high on Alderson
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 30, 2009 12:32 AM PDT
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I know there has been more than enough discussion on the trade, and this was mentioned already, but I thought this might be worthy of its own discussion (especially since the latest thread has gotten so cumbersome). If not, feel free to delete it.
I think the key to the Giants thinking on this trade is found in this short quote from a Ken Rosenthal article:
One general manager, though, isn't impressed with Alderson, calling him "overrated" and saying, "They had a long list of untouchables, and he wasn't on it."
If it's true that they had a long list of untouchables that indicates to me that the Giants weren't desperate to make a trade to satisfy the fanbase and didn't have delusions of grandeur about the current team. It seems that maybe they had a prudent approach to the trade deadline and just simply were not that high on Alderson. Are they correct in their assessment of Alderson? I guess time will tell.
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For the most part, Sabean and Tidrow have been pretty spot on when they’ve decided to get rid of a pitching prospect. I too felt Alderson was overrated mostly because in the very low likelihood that he suddenly finds 4 MPH on his fastball, he was not going to be much more than a back end rotation pitcher for a contending team. Think a RH Zack Duke if you will….
I think another thing that made them willing to trade Alderson was the huge glaring hole at 2b, not just for this season but in the near future as nobody really seems to be good enough to snag that spot. And with a clear objective of building around the pitching staff, we just added a player who is a plus defender at 2b, and who unlike Manny Burriss or whoever else might have played decent D at 2b, Sanchez can actually hit. Does he hit for a ton of power? No. But not many 2b do. And we get him beyond this year and probably have a good chance of signing him to an extension for another 2 years at a low cost until we are able to develop a replacement of our own.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 30, 2009 12:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zack Duke > Freddy Sanchez
Or I should say 6+ years of Zack Duke is > the next 1.4 of Sanchez +10 million.
I’m completely okay with trading Alderson, it’s just about what we got for him, which just isn’t very much. I really hope they don’t extend him either, that’s just begging for trouble
by NeifiChicken on Jul 30, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly….where is Jermaine Dye if we give up #4 prospect
by cazzuno on Jul 30, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Duke wasn't
this good until this year.
by coicoy on Jul 30, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This could certainly be the case.
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by CB30 on Jul 30, 2009 12:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First of all, i don’t think the Giants have generally been down on Alderson as they’ve been quite high on him since he’s been drafted. I do suspect however if they’ve become a little less enthused with him and may be somewhat in agreement with the scouts that have had concerns.
I also thought it was interesting that Sabean mentioned the other day that there was one prospect that he’s willing to give up and a few teams were considering offers for him. It wasn’t clear who that prospect was but i’m now guessing it was Alderson which could again suggest that they were prepared to give him up for the best deal.
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by GiantFan on Jul 30, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When it comes down to it, it really doesn’t matter if the Giants were high on Alderson or not. The crucial issue is whether or not other teams were high on Alderson.
After all, it is not the Giants perception that dictates what they can get for Alderson, it is what the other teams think. If the Giants weren’t that high on Alderson, but other teams were, they could still get a significant return for him, regardless of their relative lack of excitement about his future.
The real question is not what the Giants thought about him, by now that is quite obvious. The most pertinent question is really, what did other teams think of Alderson, and could other team’s feeling about Alderson have allowed the Giants to get more than Freddy Sanchez.
It seems like people have different opinions on that matter, and frankly, we will never probably have the answer.
by sunnyd100 on Jul 30, 2009 12:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS
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by i did my job on Jul 30, 2009 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
problem is we’ll never REALLY know for sure, one way or another. Now, from the way Sabean phrased things a day or so ago, I get the feeling that they pretty much openly shopped Alderson after deciding they could afford to get rid of him, then took the best they could get. It would be interesting to know what else they were offered, but it’s clear that Sabes and Co., at least, thought Sanchez was the best of that lot.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jul 30, 2009 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh...
I think they probably tried to get something better for Alderson.. But he may not have been thought of as highly as they expected..
And it’s quite possible that the Giants didn’t think too highly of Alderson as well… So in the end.. That may have been it. People may have been catching on to Alderson being overrated, both in the Giants organization and elsewhere.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 1, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep,
I feel like once Brian Sabean makes his mind up about something he makes it happen completely independent of the market. This is how you end up wildly overpaying Renteria, and not taking into account how valuable Alderson could be.
As far as Alderson goes, I don’t think it was that the Gints were down on him, just that they viewed him as expendable in the long run. I think Sabean’s line of thought was that Zito is productive again, Sanchez will be productive, and then MadBum, with no need to think otherwise. Fuck.
by ktice on Jul 30, 2009 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put.
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by rotorueter on Jul 30, 2009 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I’m guessing we know the answer. The other day Sabean said something like, “We have one minor leaguer we’re willing to trade, and we’re waiting on a couple teams for their decision”. One way you could read that is that the Giant’s specifically decided to trade Alderson, shopped him around to different teams (perhaps for Willingham?), and Sanchez was the best we could get for him.
by cakes on Jul 30, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also..
They probably threw out the name Alderson when or if they discussed Victor Martinez.
But the Indians were more interested in Cain and Bumgarner.
No thanks to that idea.
Anyone know if the Red Sox gave the Indians the equivalent to a Cain or Bumgarner?
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 1, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very happy to get Freddie Sanchez, that’s all I know. The only negative I see is that it’s obvious our GM isn’t exactly a master negotiator. Not so much because he gave up Alderson, because it’s pretty obvious that they weren’t that high on him these days, but that he also failed to get the Pirates to pay part of Sanchez’ salary. As was said previously, when he wants something he has to have it, even if he has to overpay. We saw him jump the gun with Renteria in spring training, and it’s obvious now that if he waited he could have gotten him or Cabrera for much less. If he had been a little more patient, he could have gotten Sanchez for less as well. I’m sure that any other teams interested in Sanchez would have insisted that the Pirates pay a part of the freight, especially if they wanted a good prospect. Sabean gave up both pretty easily.
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by rxmeister on Jul 30, 2009 4:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm
he also failed to get the Pirates to pay part of Sanchez’ salary.
Pay back for Schmidt, perhaps?
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by GameSix on Jul 30, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Morris
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by say hey nation on Jul 30, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by merkin on Jul 30, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but who does that in mlb? its not even the same GM. You think the Twins are gonna say, “eh we got the better of you on the Nathan deal so we’ll give you a break on the next one.” Doesn’t work that way.
by grako on Jul 31, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates Organization
has pretty much been Sabean’s bitch.
Skinny cooks?
I don't trust em.
by LargeFarva on Jul 30, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I feel a lot better after reading that quote by a rival GM. It sounds like Sabean has talked to other GM’s and isn’t willing to just give up anyone to make a run at it this season. He just really felt that Alderson was not a top prospect.
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by rxmeister on Jul 30, 2009 4:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's exactly the way I felt reding it
the long list of untouchables was reassuring
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 30, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually i took it to mean that the other GM felt Sabean was a little too impressed with his own minor leaguers. When you start calling prospects other than Bumgarner or Posey “untouchable” you might be guilty of drinking your own koolaid.
by grako on Jul 31, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of what you say is too true. We’ll never know the true story, and, if you squint and look at the deal in the proper lighting and at the proper angle, you can be very happy.
And I would add that in the current market, prospects are being greatly overvalued.
If, as you speculate, the Giants’ scouting think Alderson isn’t worth keeping and Sabean angled other teams toward him, I’d feel much better about this deal. Given the track record he has with trading pitchers, it would be hard not to.
I guess I just overvalue Alderson like the majority of baseball teams and publications.
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by tedfordfan on Jul 30, 2009 5:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But you’re exactly missing the point, tedford. From the perspective of using Alderson as a trade chip it doesn’t matter how good a pitcher he ends up being. What matters IS what the majority of baseball teams think of him. Just like FA, it’s the highest estimation of him in the teams at large that sets his value, not the lowest, and not ultimately what his production will be. Whether or not Sabes and Giants Brass valued his ultimate production correctly, they wasted his value as a trade chip.
In that sense it’s like what Kiper always says of those top picks in the NFL Draft. It doesn’t matter if you’re overreach pick at #5 ultimately becomes a good player for you — you have to get the appropriate value for the worth of the pick.
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by Roger on Jul 30, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not disputing that. I didn’t even comment on that, actually.
But as for perceived value, we can guess as to Alderson’s perceived value from publications and have a few quotes from scouts, but the fact is that we (fans) don’t really know what the industry thinks of him. So we don’t have any credible basis for assuming the Giants did or didn’t trade Alderson according to his perceived value. All I know for certain is that I was way off on the Giant’s perceptions of Alderson since he wasn’t considered one of their untouchable prospects.
My only point is to throw out the idea that maybe the Giants are cashing in on an overvalued commodity, just like we all hope they would do.
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by tedfordfan on Jul 30, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols > Alderson > Wigginton
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 30, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - but neither of us knows whether any of the other 29 teams in the league agrees.
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by tedfordfan on Jul 30, 2009 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, you say we don’t know, but right here in Rosenthal’s column you have a GM calling him overrated. You would have to think that more than a few shared that view.
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by rxmeister on Jul 30, 2009 7:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Reasonable speculation.
Of course, the GM quoted could also be lying.
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by tedfordfan on Jul 30, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the GM...
If it was Minaya, Wren, etc….
by NeifiChicken on Jul 30, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously none of us know what Alderson’s true trade value was, but I think it’s entirely possible that Freddy Sanchez was the most he could have brought back
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 30, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hidden knowledge argument is just a bit disingenuous though. You look at the context of other trades being made and guestimate. On a day when the previous year’s Cy Young winner was moved Tim Alderson was clearly the best prospect moved.
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by Roger on Jul 30, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other threads look to big to open, can I just burn shit in here?
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by ResDog on Jul 30, 2009 6:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim, the Giants just aren’t that into you.
Also, I still have mixed feelings on this trade, I am anxious to see how it all pans out for both sides
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 30, 2009 6:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m only interested in how well it pans out for the Giants. Fuck Pittsburgh.
With that said, I’ve always laughed at people who try to do post-facto historical analysis of trades based on how a player’s career turned out vs. the hypothetical career he may have had if not dealt. It just doesn’t work for me. The classic example of this sort of thing starts with Ted Williams and the saberbation about “what if he hadn’t lost the war years?” People love to come up with fantastical numbers, but nobody remembers that another 500 games played was maybe 5000 chances to ruin a knee or 20,000 chances to take a fastball to the eye socket…
Point is, Freddy Sanchez the Giant will either suck, mark time or excel, but he’ll do it completely outside any context that involves what he might have done if he’d stayed in Pittsburgh. The same goes for Alderson; maudlin theories of relative worth have no place.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 30, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not anxious to to see what happens to Pittsburgh, but more anxious to see how Alderson keeps developing/ or declines, and when he will be promoted.
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 30, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's on this long list?
Other than the obvious MadBum, Posey, Villalona, Neal, who is on there? He probably has Noonan and Gillespie on there…
by Fresburg on Jul 30, 2009 7:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
probably Kieshnick. Who else in this org has more than 20 HR’s? I would expect RafRod as well. They didn’t give him a bonus like that to dump him this quickly
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by rxmeister on Jul 30, 2009 7:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
With my irrationality subsided
I figure Dick Tidrow had a lot to do with informing Sabean that Alderson could be a trading chip. I feel duped into thinking Sabean could have gotten more for our perceived “hot pitching prospect”.
I’m glad to have Freddy Sanchez, but Sabean I think, showed his cards too early.
Oh, and suck it Rosenthal.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2009 7:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like what you said here
My thoughts is this: I’m not all that upset that we traded Tim Alderson. I just thought that he was going to bring in a bigger return, based on hype, and my perceived thoughts on what other general managers would have given up for him. I guess that is why I’m more upset with the fact that he isn’t as good, or as good of a trade chip, as I thought. I was never wholly against trading him no matter what, but if I went into the deadline thinking Tim Alderson is only good enough to get Freddy Sanchez in return, I would have been upset with that. I just thought Alderson was better based on the fact everyone said he was. Bummer, but I’m still happy to have Sanchez in SF.
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by icantdrive55 on Jul 30, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I think that is where a majority of my frustration comes from. I’m elated to have a good 2B that can hit for average, but we didn’t get a cleanup hitter that we could have gotten for i.e. Alderson+other prospects/players.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is a red herring
What cleanup hitter do you think we could have gotten form Alderson + Prospects?
by FairweatherFan on Jul 30, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An Alderson/Barnes package might have been a nice start to acquiring Victor Martinez…
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with that. wonder if someone who knows the minors could give tell us what the equivalent SF prospects would be to what Boston gave up.
here is what a Cleveland fan says about them: (doesnt sound like too much)
Posted by bumboat2 on 07/31/09 at 4:02PM
Here’s a little bit about who we got:
Justin Masterson – What to do with Masterson? He was a starting pitcher in the minors, but was needed to pitch out of the bullpen for Boston in the second half of the season. He was less effective when pitching out of the stretch and walked too many batters. He’ll have to improve in those areas if he’s going to remain as part of the set-up crew. If they use him as a starter, he’ll need to work on being consistent in his delivery for longer stretches.
Nick Hagadone – Hagadone underwent Tommy John surgery in June 2008 and his rehab is on schedule. He’s hoping to be back on the mound in May 2009, but the Red Sox aren’t rushing him. He has experience has a reliever, but was being converted to a starter by Boston prior to his injury. Before the surgery, he had a mid 90s fastball while mixing in a plus slider and changeup. The big lefty likes to get ahead of batters and pounds the strike zone with accuracy and control.
(He’ll be a great teammate with Westbrook also recovering from TJ surgery!)
Bryan Price – Price has a 90-95 MPH fastball and a strong slider, but his college career was inconsistent. If he throws strikes he has a chance to close in the majors, but more likely will emerge as a potential setup man. Price’s ERA at High-A Salem is pretty ugly at 6.54, but his 57 strikeouts in 52.1 innings there make him pretty interesting.
by grako on Jul 31, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See...
Now this just pisses me off.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 1, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and gentleman the KLaw has spoken and he seems to say that the trade was a good one for us, however I cant read it cuz I’m not an insider. If anyone has a quote that would be great
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by TexasRanger on Jul 30, 2009 8:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He basically says everything we know about Sanchez – BABIP dependent, decent defender, only a true upgrade if they bench Renteria and play Uribe at SS. Here’s the last two paragraphs, which sums the rest of the article up.
At 6-foot-6, 217 pounds, he has room to fill out and recover the velocity he showed in high school, and his command and feel should help his stuff play up, but right now none of his pitches grades out as above average, and he projects as just a fourth or fifth starter in the majors.
Six months or a year ago this would have seemed like an insanely high price to pay for a year and a half of Freddy Sanchez, but the slippage in Alderson’s stuff since he signed has pushed him down the Giants’ prospect depth chart and it’s not an unreasonable trade.
by KCE on Jul 30, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m coming around to this view.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 30, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we must also ponder the impossible
Did Sabean trade Alderson before his value tanked completely? That he actually thought about “selling high” on Alderson once the scouting report came back saying he’s not “it”?
by jctGamer on Jul 30, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
problem is...
we only expected him to be a 4th/5th starter, behind lincecum, cain, and bumgarner, am i right?
by sfoakbay on Jul 30, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but i hoped/thought he was gonna pitch like a #3.
by grako on Jul 31, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I’m not sure I agree with Law. I’ve yet to hear a report that his curve had slipped – and more importantly the numbers don’t entirely back him up.
by HaroldS on Jul 30, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason (Orlando)
Keith, what are your thoughts on Alderson? I saw that his velocity is down this year. Do you think he is injured or just destined to be a #5 type starter?
Keith Law (1:07 PM)
I don’t think he’s injured, but he’s not a real physical kid (yet, plenty of room to fill out) and his delivery has effort. He’s gone backwards, that’s absolutely a concern. One scout I talked to who saw him in July said he wrote him up as a 5th starter.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 30, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom V (Newtown, PA)
Did Sabean know something about Alderson that the rest of us don’t know?
Keith Law (1:12 PM)
I’m guessing his player development people were telling him Alderson’s fastball and curve had both gone backwards this year. If I didn’t have history with Alderson in HS, I would probably have talked about this as too little for Pittsburgh, based solely on what Alderson is now. I’ve seen him much better than this, and I do like the feel for pitching, so I’m still giving him extra credit.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 30, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B (Walnut Creek, CA)
Hey Keith, I know you’ve answered some questions about Alderson already, but I have an important one. At the time of the trade, was he still a Top 100 prospect? Grade B guy? It’s hard for fans to find that out, and we need that information to make an informed decision on whether this was a good or bad trade.
Keith Law (2:03 PM)
He’d be back end of a top 100 at best. I stuffed him at 26 on my preseason ranking because of age, performance, and the grade 55 or 60 curveball, but that pitch isn’t there for him right now.
by Missing Barry on Jul 30, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not as irritated as I was yesterday. Not that I’m going soft, mind you.
by Dan from NM on Jul 30, 2009 8:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by GameSix on Jul 30, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Can you post that Bumgarner lip biting pic here?
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by merkin on Jul 30, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judgment Day has been indefinitely postponed. :(
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by Natto on Jul 30, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome
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by merkin on Jul 30, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People need to stop assuming that Sabean could’ve gotten more. I didn’t know you were all such insiders of the league.
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 30, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, when did you become the insider of my thoughts?
/cleans up thoughts
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 30, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you look around the web, most people saying Pirates got the better of the deal.
by grako on Jul 31, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I observed Alderson pitch in Visalia last year it looked like he was trying to get comfortable pitching from a windup – perhaps that has something to do with the backwards slide he is experiencing. He is a prospect after all – meaning it is not clear how he will develop. We are also somewhat guilty of barn blindness – being blind to the faults of our own prospects in an effort to put the best gloss on the player. In any event, he is probably 2 or 3 years away from the bigs and Freddy will be an upgrade on what was a black hole for the Giants. I say good trade.
by APGiantsFan on Jul 30, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This
by FairweatherFan on Jul 30, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a 20 Year old prospect.
He was playing in double A, in a league that was slightly older. He was working on his pitches, and sometimes when you work on pitches you may lose velocity. As you settle in with your improved technique the velocity often comes back, and comes back with a rebound increase. I thought the giants were impressed with his control, and wanted him to keep working on getting outs without necessarily striking everybody out. Young for the Pads, does not have an overwhelming fastball, but when healty his 88 MPH fastball is very hard to hit. I looked at Alderson as a kid who would probably come up by age 23, and be a very polished kid. Assuming no physical ailments ensued.
by bradleybear on Jul 30, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing about Timmy A.
All he freakin did the last two years, was win, win, win.
by bradleybear on Jul 30, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about this...
Makes sense.
However it may not be the case, because not every pitcher loses velocity when focusing on mechanics.
Also, I think the Giants would have known that such a thing was happening and would have still been incredibly high on him, to the point where he would have been damn near untouchable.
I’m not necessarily saying your wrong, but that you should look at that possibility as well.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Aug 1, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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