Organization Prospect Depth Chart: Starting Pitchers
by wilriv21 on Jul 3, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
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The Giants are going to make a trade this summer. "It's gonna happen whether you like it or not". That was a comment made by GM Brian Sabean. Or was it the mayor? Either way, the Giants trading partner will most likely seek pitching in return for a bat Sabean craves.
What pitching prospects do the Giants have? Which prospects should the Giants retain which pitching prospects should the Giants offer in trade? How do you rank the Giants pitching prospects?
What is your SF Giants starting pitching prospects Top 10?
1. LHP Madison Bumgarner
2. RHP Tim Alderson
3. LHP Scott Barnes
4, RHP Henry Sosa
5. LHP Craig Clark
6. RHP Jorge Bucardo
7. LHP Clayton Tanner
8. RHP Kevin Pucetas
9. LHP Eric Surkamp
10. LHP Aaron King
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For an above average hitter under team control for a while I’d give up any of them, except for Bumgarner.
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by Cookyman on Jul 3, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by jponry on Jul 3, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody but Bumgarner can go, but I’d try real hard to make it somebody other than J. Bucardo, as I think he’s ultimately going to prove the best of the rest by a good measure, and they ought to be able to avoid sending him off right now when he hasn’t done much to separate himself.
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by Roger on Jul 3, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, I don’t know too much about Bucardo. What makes him leap out to you?
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by cornball on Jul 4, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have been some scouts who have raved about his arm action since he was in the DSL, and although he’s so far always played in leagues where you can’t put too much faith in stats, his stats have always shown good K rates, good BB rates, and very good GB rates, which are pretty much the holy stats trinity for live armed teenagers. I’ve noticed listening to his games this year in the NWL that he seems to be getting lots of called third strikes as well, which could be indicative of a lot a movement on his pitches. If he can throw a power sinker with good movement for strikes (and he doesn’t get hurt) he’s going to have a major league career of some sort in his future.
I’m looking for him to really blow up as a prospect over the course of the next year.
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by Roger on Jul 5, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the report. He does sound very intriguing. I’m excited to see what he does next year in Augusta or San Jose. Is he 18? 19?
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by cornball on Jul 5, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would definitely rate young guys like that with high upside above the middling guys who are old for their levels.
Surkamp I might rate higher than Clark or Pucetas; he is older for his level but is still in his age-21 season, and has shown excellent K rates.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 5, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we're probably not going to make any big trades because we're unwilling to give anything up
All you have to do is listen to what Sabean says on KNBR to figure that out.
He’s basically said
-We’re not trading any prospects worth anything
-Too many teams think they’re in contention so they’re probably not going to sell at the deadline
-We’d be willing to take a pending free agent if it’s for close to nothing
I don’t mind this because I’d rather we keep our prospects
by superk1ng on Jul 3, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
-Too many teams think they’re in contention so they’re probably not going to sell at the deadline
We’re still 4+ weeks away from the deadline. A lot can and will change. Team’s will get desperate.
That being said, I think I’d be fine sending off any prospect on that list beside Bumgarner. (Of course, I’m assuming the Giants aren’t severely overpaying for whoever they acquire.)
by deuce deuce on Jul 3, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 weeks away or not, most teams are still going to think they’re close enough in contention to where most likely won’t be willing to give up their biggest trade pieces. That’s been the case the past couple of years, which for the most part has rendered the trade deadline inconsequential.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 3, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's also addressed specific players
Jermaine Dye: Not happening because he’s not on the market and the White Sox are in the division race
Victory Martinez: Not happening because it would take a Bumgarner+ to get it done and they’re not willing to trade Bumgarner
by superk1ng on Jul 3, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree that Bummy will be staying.
What pitching prospects are in your Top 10?
by wilriv21 on Jul 3, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd say it's pretty much the same as yours
but with Wheeler moved in to #3 whenever he signs
by superk1ng on Jul 3, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this economic climate, if a non-contending team wants to dump a player, the accepting team will take on the salary or send a prospect. I think Sabean is just saying if the giants take on a upcoming FA, it will be assuming the salary because the giants can do it and will send a marginal prospect back.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 3, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's exactly what he's saying
Our willingness to take on salary is our biggest bargaining chip
by superk1ng on Jul 3, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Top 10 (Non-Wheeler version)
1. Bumgarner
2. Alderson
3. Clark
4. Barnes
5. J. Bucardo
6. Ronick
7. Pucetas
8. Tanner
9. Nicholson
10. Surkamp
I prefer Ronick to King. I’d put Sosa #11 on this list, so far; his walks concern me. I’d expect to put Wheeler somewhere around #5 when he signs, with the chance to move up quickly if earned.
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by Lyle on Jul 3, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you don’t like sosa?
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 3, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3.1 BB/9 this year? 2.9 BB/9 last year? That’s not low but it’s not so high that I’d bump a good prospect down to 11th behind some of the guys you have on there.
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by jponry on Jul 3, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the K-rate is a concern this year though.
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by jponry on Jul 3, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any ranking of Sosa is pretty much entirely based on how likely you think he is to regain his fastball. If he gets it back, he’s definitely a top 5 pitching prospect, maybe even our best after Bumgerson. If it stays in the high 80’s, he probably doesn’t even belong in the top 10.
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by Cookyman on Jul 3, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard you say this before, but I still haven’t seen anything online about Sosa’s velocity. Not that I don’t believe you (I do) but do you have a link or something?
by xanthan on Jul 3, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there's this
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/5/22/883364/minor-lines-5-21-09#16033086
And also…it fits? I don’t know, maybe it’s not enough to conclude he’s lost velocity. I’m not sure what’s worse, though – if he has some kind of injury that’s preventing him from pitching like he used to, or if he is pitching like he used to, and AA hitters simply have no problem hitting him.
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by Cookyman on Jul 3, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that still true, or is he regaining velocity? I have no idea, but his K rate is substantially lower this year, and it isn’t getting any better in the last 7, 14, or 28 days according to minorleaguesplits.com
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 3, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa's velocity
The radar gun at Dodd Stadium is never accurate. It always reads low. Next time I see Sosa pitch I’ll try to sneak a peek at a scout’s radar gun and let you guys know how hard he is throwing.
by SBcaptain2 on Jul 6, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sosa was miles ahead of any of those guys (outside of the top 2 obviously) before he got hurt. The fact that he has come back and pitched pretty well makes me defer a lot to his pre-injury status.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 3, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree with that if his injury had been to his arm, but it was his knee. How long can a knee injury harm a pitcher’s fastball? This is two years down the road from his surgery. He’s still better than most any of the other non Madbum or Alderson prospects, but his poor K rate not just at AA, but in both partial seasons at SJ is certainly worrying.
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by Roger on Jul 3, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this keeps coming up… does anyone have evidence he’s lost velocity on his fastball?
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by shikantaza on Jul 3, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re thinking about someone else. Sosa put up very nice K rates both times he was in SJ.
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by Cookyman on Jul 3, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my list
1. Madison Bumgarner
2. Tim Alderson
3. Henry Sosa
4. Scott Barnes
5. Kevin Pucetas
6. Kyle Nicholson
7. Craig Clark
8. Eric Surkamp
9. Jesse English
10. Edwin Quirate
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 3, 2009 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed you have english in your top 10. Why is he falling out of others’ top 10s? is the sheen coming off of him a little bit? 3.14 ERA, .237 BAA, 8.4 K/9 doesn’t seem like anything to turn your nose up at to me.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 3, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His K.9 isn’t 8.4, it’s 7.5, which is pretty pedestrian. And if you’re a 24 years old and walking 4.7 guys per 9 innings in AA, odds are you have absolutely no control.
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by Cookyman on Jul 3, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad. screwed that one up. I dunno, I would say his chances of making the majors are lower, but he’s still posting a decent ERA and probably should be given the chance to prove himself in AAA. I know these stats aren’t great, but he’s essentially posting the same ERA and BAA at a higher level than last season.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 3, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him, but right now he’s still looking really wild, and I don’t think he has the stuff to make up for it.
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by Cookyman on Jul 3, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, I can understand that
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 3, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clayton Tanner probably would have been a better choice than English
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 3, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Snyder's still not dead.
I know he’s been pushed to the pen, but he’s definitely regained the form he lost in the second half last year. 1.87 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, over a K per inning. He’s due for a promotion at least, and probably a return to the rotation.
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by multiphasic on Jul 3, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone be ok with giving Bumgarner, Villalona, and Neal to get Adrian Gonzalez? I doubt that would even be enough, I’m just curious what you all think.
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by jbowl on Jul 3, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If that isn’t enough, the Giants hang up the phone. They would probably hang up the phone anyway.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 3, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would do that in a second, but there is no way the Padres would
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 3, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes right now in two seconds
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 3, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. In my opinion, that’s three of our top-five and the top pitching prospect in all of the minors for one guy. I do love Adrian, but if you make that trade our system is pretty barren after Tim and Buster. Also, I think San Diego would insist on getting Posey in a trade.
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by cornball on Jul 4, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait I think I didn’t notice Bumgarner was there. Hmmm… that’s a lot.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How legit is Craig Clark? All of his stats have to be tempered with the fact that he’s 24(25 very soon) in High A. the K:BB numbers are super sexy though.
by Nibbler on Jul 3, 2009 9:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He is way too old for the league.
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by cornball on Jul 4, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. What reports are there on his stuff, though?
(and remember, age isn’t as important or telling when it comes to pitchers)
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by haverecords on Jul 4, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Martinez
Not on the list because of roster status or because you don’t rate him highly?
by NearestNorwich on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we think of him as a "prospect"
Even though he is still considered one based on MLB service time.
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by baetown415 on Jul 3, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is he on your list? where is your list?
by wilriv21 on Jul 3, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Madison Bumgarner
2. Tim Alderson
3. Scott Barnes
4. Henry Sosa
5. Kevin Pucetas
6. Craig Clark
7. Clayton Tanner
8. Erik Surkamp
9. Aaron King
10. Kyle Nicholson
(I put Sosa and Pucetas up high because they are pretty young, and are both proving themselves at higher levels… Would probably put Wheeler in at 3 or 4)
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by NateisGreat on Jul 3, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Sadowski
What about the Big Sadowski – 13 scoreless innings so far in the Bigs shouldn’t be sneezed at, even though he wasn’t on anyone’s radar to start the season.
by APGiantsFan on Jul 3, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It shouldn’t be sneezed at but it shouldn’t be overreacted, er, at either.
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by jponry on Jul 3, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to tattoo Ryan Sadowski’s face on my arm.
by SeeingStars on Jul 4, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing there’s someone out there with Ryan Jensen on one arm and JR Phillips on the other. AWESOME.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he actually had pretty decent K numbers in the minors. Not spectacular, but nothing to sneeze at, to borrow your phrase. He just gave up a fair amount of hits and walked a lot of guys. After watching him for a couple starts I can see why he might have control problems. He gets a lot of movement with his stuff.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 4, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The next Cy young!
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by The Thrill on Jul 4, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Jesen v2.1!!!
At least for this week.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 4, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ranking is for suckers
I prefer to use grades. Ranking, you always get a #1 no matter how bad your system sucks, and a #10 no matter how stellar it is. Plus it tells you a lot: an A-grade arm shouldn’t get thrown into a trade, a C-grade arm is fungible.
To me, every arm left in the system is a C or below except for Bumgarner (A-), Alderson (B) and Sosa (B-). Don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of promising C+ arms going around, from Barnes to Bucardo or Tanner to Pucetas, but I’d trade any two of those on any day of the week for an honest-to-crikey A-grade hitting prospect or a major-league-average hitter at an up-the-middle position.
Which is why it isn’t happening. The league isn’t that dumb.
by wcw on Jul 4, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what is the point in ranking or grading any pitchers
all of their arms are just going to fall off anyway
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 4, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this. After the top two (three with Sosa returning to form), the rest of the guys are pretty fungible and would be lucky to be 5th starters, relievers, or AAAA swingmen. If the team can get a reliever or two out of the whole bunch, though, it’s still pretty good.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
This is the kind of info I was trying to obtain with this post. – which propspects are keepers. Now we as Giants fans should not throw ourselves down the stairs if the Giants trade a pitcher not named Bumgarner or Alderson.
by wilriv21 on Jul 4, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely not. I would trade Alderson in a package for a very good player, but I probably wouldn’t trade Bumgarner at all; LHPs with that kind of velocity and control are not easy to find.
Anyone else is fair game, and I would bet against any of the remaining guys amounting to much at all. Maybe there’s a Jason Grilli or Mike Remlinger in the bunch, a reliever who plays a lot of years, but it would take an unanticipated big jump for any of the others to make a bigger impact.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 4, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Zito were a 24 year old prospect this year
Pitching as he does now, he would probably be a C- prospect at best.
by bradleybear on Jul 4, 2009 12:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Who needs Adrian Gonzo
We have Travis Ishi.
by bradleybear on Jul 4, 2009 12:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Question about Wheeler:
Does anyone else realize the dude’s already 19? I can’t in good faith put him higher than 6th right now because he’s a 19 year old high school kid who probably won’t pitch very much at all this year.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jul 4, 2009 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alderson was 19 when we drafted him and only pitched like 6 innings his first year, I don’t think it should really matter much.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t really high on Alderson until some point midway through his first full season, so hopefully this is just “me of little faith” redux.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jul 4, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alderson was 18.
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by Cookyman on Jul 4, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
:-(
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-( to me too
Because I checked his wikipedia and I had a total math fail.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jul 4, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fairley was 19, though.
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by Cookyman on Jul 4, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In retrospect, it seems odd that Law liked the Fairley pick so much.
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by jponry on Jul 4, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why all the love for Law? Do not know if most of McCoven loves Beane or Law more.
by wilriv21 on Jul 4, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think any of us loves Beane.
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by Natto on Jul 4, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by groug on Jul 4, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Law and Beane do completely different jobs, so I’m not sure there is much value in comparing them. The reason people like Law so much (at least my own reason) is that he is a writer for a very accessible media outlet who has been a scout, worked in a baseball front office, and is enlightened to “new school” baseball thinking. As far as I know, there is nobody else in the media like that.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 4, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good (not great) grasp of stats + rational thinking + good scouting?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jul 4, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
getting better to good, scouting…..is probably the best way to say it.
Law is interesting in that his entry in to this world was first through a sabermetric analysis, and only later started to do much classical scouting. Most that are competent at both did it the other way around.
He’s still prone to some odd, and wild takes though…but that is part of the fun with him, as he has been right quite a few times with these. He’s also prone to dismissing some players too quickly, but part of that is because of his job: he likes to see the players in person, but he is reporting on the whole league, so he only sees them in scouting snapshots (though he is very perceptive in that). It can be a problem with the Villalona, Chris Carter, Mike Stanton types: those that can either look really bad, or really good—and no shame in that, everyone struggles with those types, with only those who follow the players in person for a long time being able to make really make decisive calls on them.
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by haverecords on Jul 4, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy shit he is 19?!?!?!?!
don’t sign him Giants brass!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 4, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch his fastball, and that slurvy thing, and then I have absolutely no problem putting him 3.
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