Freddy Sanchez Traded to the Giants
by Grant on Jul 29, 2009 3:58 PM PDT
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This deal came out of nowhere. The Pittsburgh Pirates traded Freddy Sanchez to San Francisco for Tim Alderson. Ugh.
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I really don’t know how i feel about this just yet… :(
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hungry Like The Wolf?
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh better be paying all of his salary
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Jul 29, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree, they have to… so we gave up ONLY Alderson i guess?
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s it, according to ESPN.
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by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are not paying any of his salary
mlbtraderumors
by zeisenbe on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, so we gave up Alderson and $10mil for Sanchez? That is a lot.
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by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IM FUCKING ANGRY RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Highway Robbery
Fck you Sabes.
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by ejdacanay on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can only hope this means there is cash to make another deal
Otherwise on the surface, this is just awful.
by jctGamer on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the Fransen/Bowker/Guzman deal much better
by joethejet on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you had Freddy Sanchez and you had that offered, you’d take that?
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we woulda been sabe'd
but still
by Hummfugginbaby on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
That’s why I wanted the trade to go through!
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I wouldn’t miss those guys. Alderson may come back to haunt us
by m34josh on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Didn’t mind waving bye bye to Bowk, Franny, Jesus.
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by The Enchanter on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like how this comes
right when Velez starts hitting. WHAT THE FUCK. Velez wont be playing once juggernate is back
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by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is why the trade is useless
all we had to do was find 1 in 5 guys to hit the ball from 2b and there’s no reason to make a trade.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 29, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t like the trade either, but Bochy/Sabean can’t seriously expect Velez to keep hitting.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly don’t expect it.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
while you were typing that, Velez just made 3 errors at 2nd
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by Viliphied on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I should’ve typed faster!
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by EliminateMe on Jul 29, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to puke...seriously...
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by Big Country on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FUCK YOU BRIAN SABEAN
brians sabean is officially mentally retarded, why would u give up TIM ALDERSON!! im so pissed off right now. our rotation was freakin set with lincecum, cain, bumgarner, alderson and zito. goddamit sabean u suck
by sfoakbay on Jul 29, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean = fucking kill yourself you stupid fat fuck.
by itlynstalyn on Jul 29, 2009 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what the hell just happened? Guzman/Bowker/Frandsen turned into Alderson? Lame
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Son of a...
They’re lucky the tarp is on the field in Bowie. He was supposed to start tonight.
They don’t have anyone else to pitch after yesterday unless English comes in on 4 days rest.
I just can’t buy a bucket when it comes to watching these prospects, can I?
by GiantsTribe on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this better not be turned
so we have money for wheeler or something lame like that.
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitchfork time
Sabean should be fired like 8×....
Wow wow wow
I can’t believe this. I would’ve bene pissed if it was Neal for Alderson
by NeifiChicken on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m off the fence into your yard.
by SeeingStars on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how I feel about this. Freddie Sanchez had better be a HUGE asset to this team from here on out. And I mean HUGE.
What happened to all the Bowker, Guzman, Frandsen talk?
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
He better be Omar with the glove and get some batting champ flashbacks.
But even that won’t change the fact that Sabean fucked up on this.
The only positive is that the Giants have a better shot this season… However unlikely it is for the Giants the win the World Series.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was feeling so great about getting Sanchez for Guzman/Bowker/Frandsen. Now I feel horrible that it’s Alderson
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m feeling that too, but the other trade would have been a robbery. This at least seems fair.
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by achiappanza on Jul 29, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/throws self down stairs
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by j14 on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/follows j14
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/follows baetown415
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Jul 29, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realistically
It is said that Tim Alderson will most likely never be a starter….. I have mixed feelings on this trade. But Tim Alderson doesn’t have starter “stuff” from what I’ve heard. I hope this doesn’t come back and haunt us.
by Carmelballin on Jul 29, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the fact
that you have mixed feelings is disturbing.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who said that
He’s young for all his levels and keeps succeeding. What’s the problem?
by NeifiChicken on Jul 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realistically
Nobody has ever said that.
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by boonitez on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if sanchez hits the DL this year cause of that knee we revolt
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude they’re smarter than that, cmon! he was checked out by doctors, so why would we trade one of our top prospects for someone that might be on the DL?
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just saying, that injury better not have any lingering effects
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by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true I trust the team doctor more than Sabes
by ktice on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren’t smarter than that. We gave up a great prospect AND pay Sanchez’ salary
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by jhiat00 on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah Lowry was also checked out by team doctors.
by kimmyg on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, it looks like we’ll be drafting 1st round pitchers for several more seasons
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by ejdacanay on Jul 29, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At least that plays to an organizational strength…
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this, out of everything that's happened today, is something I'm okay with
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Pirates have included another piece in the deal?
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
like duke?
anything else and I don’t like it
Thing A
by sam23 on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cross Fingers
Ainsworth
Foppert
Williams
Van Landingham
Let's bring the...
by Swager on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea we have no idea what’s gonna happen with any of these guys
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So dumb.
Forget that its for Alderson. Sanchez is nothing fucking special. Going to have a career high in strikeouts. Doesnt walk. Doesnt hit for power.
Isnt hitting even .300 even though people wanna scream “Batting Title”!!
2007 .304 avg
2008 .271
2009 .296
All he has are his doubles. Wish we had seen what frandsen coulda done, before trading for Sanchez, not to even mention for our number 4 prospect!!
I atleast hope that everyone all bonered out over sanchez is happy. Sabean is dumb.
by kvdp12 on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
he’s not a great hitter, except for .avg. he really adds nothing to our team we couldn’t get from one of the hundred guys we have who can play 2b.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, only the .300 lifetime BA. The 20 fools the giants trotted out to 2nd can all do that right? Oh, right. They can't.
by ninerkev on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many of which
didn’t get legitimate shots.
Frandsen comes to mind.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
league average OPS
BA is bogus
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by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing is
those 20 fools haven’t been doing THAT either.
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by Viliphied on Jul 29, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
friiiiiiick
my heart hurts.
how good is the giants' starting rotation? our rotation is so good, our 5th starters throw no-hitters. uh.
by Golden Gate Review on Jul 29, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And there go all of the positive feelings I've had for this season
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by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2009 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/facepalm
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by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really
This trade isn’t that bad. I reserve judgment until we find out if the Pirates are kicking back any $. (And they should)
by RougeGorrila on Jul 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm holding judgment
Until he starts playing games
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fits the Giants perfectly!
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awful.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Grilli was never that good
Alderson is
by NeifiChicken on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
I think the fact that he struggled to maintain a 2.00 K/BB is pretty indicative
by NeifiChicken on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See what you guys get for hating on Zorak?!?
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by The Gene Hackman on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m mostly angry because I was expecting we’d give up much less (Frandsen, etc.). I’m just a little afraid that Sanchez isn’t going to be what we want him to be. I know we all loved Alderson, but honestly I’ve never looked at him as a sure thing
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s got great range, that will show up.
by joethejet on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
schulman likes the trade at least
talking with ralph
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by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and my opinion of schulman takes a massive hit.
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by Norcalfan10 on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mine couldn’t go any lower
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by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He went down a notch in my book
That puts him at notch 0
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by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I TOLD YOU, JPONRY!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/throws Lars down the stairs
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/throws self after Lars
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Sabean
shame on you. Shame on you for mortgaging a key piece of our future in an effort to keep your job. I am disgusted with you and truly hope to all that is holy that you are relieved of your duties this season.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 29, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
thanks, Frank
Could you do a projection on Sabean getting fired?
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha! Unbelievable trade. I can’t really say more than that, as I know this is a trying time for you all. Shouldn’t hurt your WC chances, but still…
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re going a bit overboard on this. It’s not that bad of a trade
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it really is.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a horrible trade
1. You’ve already thinned your minor league pitching depth by trading Barnes, who was arguably our third best pitching prospect.
2. You are acquiring 2B on the wrong side of 30, who does not supply any of the power the team obviously lacks.
3. You now will have an $8million 2B next year, and a $9.5m shortstop. Their range is iffy, they have little power, and they should have been replaced by cheap in-house talent WHILE THE GM CONCENTRATED ON GETTING A POWER HITTER
4. You have given up your second best minor league pitcher to do so.
UGH
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2. Who is a three time all star with a lietime.300 BA
by ninerkev on Jul 29, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only an All-Star because he plays on the Pirates.
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every team gets one. even the Pirates.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only 2 seasons over .300, two years ago.
I really wish you’d stop saying this because he is over 30. Past performance != future performance. Finally, the Pirates were about ready to dump him just to get rid of the salary. There was no reason to offer Alderson.
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by GiantBrass on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who out there really thinks offering Frandsen, Bowker, and Lewis would have done the trick?
Stop being delusional. this is not a video game franchise mode.
by ninerkev on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we needed to offer Alderson, our second best pitching prospect.
The Pirates were desperate to get rid of Sanchez’s salary. The Pirates were in a position of desperation, not us.
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by GiantBrass on Jul 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. That’s what I meant to say — only shorter.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not. They’re trade with Seattle didn’t bring back anything like Alderson’s talent. A no-position one time prospect with decent power, and some low level guys. In fact, Pittsburgh’s now made what 6 trades in the last few weeks, and Alderson’s the only piece they’ve gotten back in any of them that were high level prospects. When they gave away Hinske they actually paid to get rid of him.
Two things strike me about this: 1) listening to BA’s trade deadline podcast today they were saying how teams really won’t give up impact arms in trades anymore (ie Phils refusing to trade Drabek) and Pittsburgh hadn’t gotten a single good arm in any of their many trades, or really a single good piece for the immediate future; 2) John Hart on MLB channel saying the key thing in these trades is money v. prospects. If you’re willing to eat the money you don’t have to pay as much in prospects and vice versa.
This trade went against the logic of both of those observations. Sanchez may (and I hope will) be an important piece for us. But we overpaid to get him.
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by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, the giants shot at the AA Title is really in doubt now.
by ninerkev on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should be on the debate team...
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by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because no minor leaguers ever become major leaguers…
VOTE SANDOVAL
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by raisingcain on Jul 29, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I like the trade or hate it but has anyone (other than people like Baron) actually seen Alderson pitch?? Sanchez is proven. Alderson is not.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alderson has pitched in San Jose. A bunch of us have seen him pitch.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably should have gotten but it is different from single a to MLB.
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by merkin on Jul 29, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a salary dump.
regardless of his actual value, his perceived value was that of a solid B+ prospect. You dont give him up for a salary dump. Thats the point.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is an idiotic threshold
I haven’t seen Posey. clearly we should trade him for a backup C.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've seen him pitch
dude carves the fucking strike zone. he’s like a really good, non-sucky RH version of Barry Zito
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by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is proven to be mediocre
Whoopee!
Let’s trade potential for a replaceable middle IF guy!
by dprodigy19 on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I have.
Alderson impressed me last year, even in A+ ball.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I have.
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by Natto on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to see him pitch tonight. I should have known something was up when our media guy started taking away lineup cards because “Connecticut was making a change.”
by GiantsTribe on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Source?
Is there a source besides the Pittsburgh reporters “tweet”?
by Eggman on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No frigging way
Sabean can’t be this goddamn stupid. Felipe Lopez was acquired for scrubs, and the Giants sent a top 25 prospect for Freddie Sanche?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line for me is it sounded like Alderson should get a bigger return
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by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think we could have gotten Willingham for Alderson.
by Squire_Boone on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be freaking out about that too, but at least Willingham is healthy afaik.
by Evan on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he’d bat third, I think, in front of Sandoval, so at least Molina wouldn’t be hitting cleanup anymore.
Willingham’s not a much better player than Sanchez, but he is a much better hitter. And this team needs offense. Badly.
by taliesin on Jul 29, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Bochy as manager, I get the feeling that if the Giants had gotten Albert Pujols and Alex Rodriguez, Molina would still bat 4th. He would bat A-Rod 2nd and Pujols 5th.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Sabean fired
This is stupidity at a goddamn epic scale, for a player Pittsburgh was not going to retain past this year.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t have said it better.
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of the top four, I was most ok with Alderson being the one to be traded. But for Sanchez, that seems a bit steep.
by deuce deuce on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just when i was starting to like Brian Sabean....
WTFF!!??!?!?!?!?
waiting for 2011....
by Osama91w9 on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE: The Pirates are going to get Double-A pitcher Tim Alderson, one of the Giants’ best prospects and their first pick in the 2007 draft.
Given how good a prospect Pittsburgh is getting, I’d venture a guess that the Pirates are sending the Giants some money to cover the $2 million or so left on Sanchez’s contract this season. He has a vesting option for ’10.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/index?#ixzz0Mh13tULC
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by ejdacanay on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
great, now we can sign wheeler
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by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s it? They should pay his 2010 salary too
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If we sign Sano with the money
I’d be happier.
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by ejdacanay on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sanchez has the jersey on already
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you fucking shitting me?? Fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuu
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Sabean believes in overpaying drastically
WTF IS WRONG WITH HIM? SERIOUSLY? He’s a 31 year 2b with decling knees, and you gave up a top 30 prospect for him?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Duhrum with less pop
Let's bring the...
by Swager on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just so....so....... Sabean-like
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SABEAN IS AN IDIOT
hey, I know… let’s give away future talent for a hurting second baseman! i am partial to alderson, so my opinion may be slanted… but STILL
how good is the giants' starting rotation? our rotation is so good, our 5th starters throw no-hitters. uh.
by Golden Gate Review on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ok, fire him
I was pro-sabean for a while. Seeing how relatively not stupid he’s been lately, I even sorta bought in to the “Well, maybe his hand was a little forced with the Zito thing and upper brass”
Well fuck that. This is the shittiest shit ever.
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by Sammy Danger on Jul 29, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
key word, “relatively”…. by Sabean standards, he’s been screwing up less lately. but even by Sabean standards, this is a doozy
how good is the giants' starting rotation? our rotation is so good, our 5th starters throw no-hitters. uh.
by Golden Gate Review on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wily Sabean
…lying low, waiting for just the right moment to revert to SavvyVeteran Man™
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean badly out GM’d by the Pirates.
This is like the Schmidt trade in reverse.
The saddest part is Sabean could have gotten so much more for Alderson.
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by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is revenge for Matt Morris
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Such as?
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Uggla, give or take a Fred Lewis.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins aren’t selling. Plus, there’s no way of knowing how the trade market is panning out or what’s on each GM’s mind. It’s all speculation
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at every player the Pirates have received in their recent run of moves. Now look at this one. Which one of these things is not like the others? It’s exactly the way the trade market is panning out that makes this look like a bad deal.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bochy -
“I’ve seen Freddy from the other side”
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bochy’s personal life doesn’t interest me.
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't jump off any bridges just yet
conference on CSN
by hardcore on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Should play a drinking game
Sabean in his press conference on right now already said “Due diligence” within one minute of the start.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why did everyone want Sanchez so much? He has a career OPS+ of 98. Career OPS of 750. I know he’s a 2b, but those aren’t really very good numbers.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he was a lot better than Burriss, and we DIDNT THINK HED COST A TOP PROSPECT
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. And you all KNEW it was Sabean who would be making the trade. That’s why I pray for no trades now.
Do not meddle in the affairs of GM's, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a good player; using his career stats is a bit misleading.
In no world, however, is he worth aldersom
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is the problem I have. You could argue that Alderson by himself isn’t worth much more, but if you could get a much better player by including a mediocre prospect, wouldn’t you do it? At least our second base sitch is vastly improved.
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by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's so much better than anything else we've trotted out at second base
This is, of course, an indictment in itself on Sabean. The fact that they kept throwing Burriss and Uribe out there so much while Frandsen got so little chance to prove himself is absurd. Perhaps Frandsen wouldn’t have done nothing for us anyway. But now we’ll never know. And it cost us Tim Alderson to never know.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he’s better than Burriss, who is the ONLY secondbaseman we’ve given any real shot this year.
Otherwise, who knows?
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, and we should have known
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Brian Sabean in the last year of his deal?
How could they let him make such an irresponsible deal? This is a crippling trade for such a good and deserving franchise (not talking about baseball ops necessarily).
by All Shook Down on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I’m not a fan of the trade but it is no way crippling.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe crippling is strong.
This is a big time prospect and he’s traded for an overrated player that doesn’t walk, is expensive and under control for only one season. The fact that they let this fool continue to make deals is confounding.
by All Shook Down on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
is why the giants are mediocre
by dodgers_suck on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we please organize an “I Hate Brian Fucking Sabean” t-shirt night?
by itlynstalyn on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Im so pissed. There is no excuse for this. If this was the cost , you say thanks bit no thanks and see what beane wants for Kennedy.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Or what Scutaro might cost
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
marty lurie likes this deal for the giants on csn, says the giants can catch LA, kawakami is actually making sense
by sfoakbay on Jul 29, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, why the fuck is this man employed?
He’s sacrificing the good of the team for his goddamn career. He should be fired, right now.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone watching the press conference? he does look good in orange…
by KINGofCRA5H on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was foreign. He is from Hollywood. Oops!
by m34josh on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did as well and had to look up where he was born.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
1.) I think Alderson is not going to be more than a good set-up man
2.) I think many teams believe he will be much more than that
3.) Not a fan of Sanchez. Another guy who doesn’t walk or hit for power
4.) I hate this trade. A lot
by irwin on Jul 29, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Justin Duchschererer is on the phone for you
by bobnothing on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamie Moyer on Line 2
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point isn’t what he ends up as, it’s that we didn’t have to give up this much to get Sanchez – and if we did he wasn’t worth it. He is a salary dump by the Pirates. They had to trade him because he was certain to get enough ABs so that his 2010 option would have vested and they’d be on the hook for his entire 2010 salary.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess I’m the only one here who is happy we’re now a better team this year and next while Tim and Matt are hitting their prime
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by Goofus on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yes we can now score 1 run in maybe just 9 innings instead of ten.
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by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not convinced this deal makes the Giants better, unfortunately.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How so?
We no longer have Uribe playing everyday
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And more days off for Renteria and his shitty elbow and bat
by m34josh on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please explain.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
slightly above average glove + league average OPS = meh.
cost benefit analysis = squarely in the Bucs’ favor.
A good trade should hurt for both teams. Here, the Pirates gave up nothing and got a prospect.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but you said it doesn’t make us better. In this case I don’t care about the Pirates. For just this instance, think only about the Giants. How does this trade not make us better this year and next? Remember, our middle infielders are the worst in the NL. Burris has already been worth a win below replacement. How is Sanchez not an improvement? I’m not saying great or even good, but an improvement.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually *didn't* say that
i said i’m not convinced it makes the Giants better. It might, and it also might not. I allow for the possibility that Sanchez is an improvement over the current scrubs, but that doesn’t make it a good trade. Giants gave up too much, full stop.
If we want to go down the path of “making it a better team this year,” we could conceivably discuss trading Posey & Bumgarner for the hallowed “power bat,” and that would also make the team better this year. It would be a terrible idea, but it would make the team better this year.
I think you get where I’m coming from, namely, we can’t look at these things in isolation.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course we can’t. And I’m sorry for misquoting you, but you did say:
“i’m not convinced this deal makes the Giants better, unfortunately.”
Clearly, the ML club is better this year and next. Does that make it a good trade long-term? Only if we win the WS this year or next. If we don’t, well then, we’ll just have to see. It is a very risky trade, you’re right. And I do think the Pirates are losing something in this trade – namely, their best hitter – but you’re right, it doesn’t hurt as badly for them.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, we can agree to disagree on the "clearly" part
And I’m ok with that. :)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool. I actually enjoyed this little chat. Thanks for being reasonable.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not thinking only about “this year and next.” I want a GM who thinks at least 4-5 years down the road. Alderson is more valuable than getting Freddy Sanchez. And the Pirates had to get rid of him, so clearly Sabean is no negotiator.
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, what is the window for Freddy Sanchez? 8 months of baseball. Is this team better over those 8 months? Yes. Does that make it a good trade? No because that simply isn’t a sufficient data set.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this makes the Giants better this year. Sanchez was an All star. Everyone we had at 2nd has sucked.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
aurilia
was an all-star, too. he doesn’t make the giants better.
by druncan on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he was a Pirate
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by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BECAUSE EVERY TEAM HAS TO HAVE ONE
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
That’s pretty much my attitude. We are (hopefully) a better team now.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goofus, we control Tim and Matt for 3 years together
and we just gave up a top 50 prospect for a 2b who the Pirates desperately were not going to retain at his $8M option. IT was a stupid move and a ridiculous overpay. Barnes would have been a fair price; Sanchez is not. 10 bucks say the imbecile GM looked at the batting average, saw its shiny, and made the deal.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is where my frustration is coming from. It’s the Pirates. There’s like a 99% chance that they won’t retain Sanchez so why’d we give up someone of high potential.
by SeeingStars on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
It’s even worse than that. The way his contract is written they were 99% certain to have to pay him the $8M option for next year. If he makes 600 ABs this year his club option would automatically vest. So they were desperate to get rid of him.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, this deal could have been made a while ago and we wouldn’t have been subject to the 2nd base albatross that has been there all season. If we were willing to do this, why did we wait so long?
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Jul 29, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is worth more than Barnes. Unfortunately, you are very right about Sabean’s ability to evaluate offensive production.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure Alderson is not a top 50 prospect.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
think BA had him at #60
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When? If it’s before the season he certainly has dropped since then….I can think of a lot of guys who are producing in the minors and who also have much higher upsides….
by Hobbes2d on Jul 29, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mighta been old
i know he was to 100, but def not top 50
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
was 45 at BA, 60 at BP
Jonathan Mayo had him in the top 30, but that’s purely from memory.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not upset. People sure are overreacting here, though.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re not upset, you don’t truly understand the situation. imho.
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you’re not upset, you can’t possibly understand the deep love and attachment the Mccoven have given Alderson….the Giants’ under Saben (with one Joe Nathan sized exception) have always known when to cut bait on pitching prospects. Of course, in our love and rage agains anything Sabean, we choose to ignore that and think this is the worst move in the history of baseball. Then, in five years when Alderson is truly Volgesong-esque, we’ll all forget the rage and vent about the latest trade and/or non signing the Giants’ have made.
by tyrannoman on Jul 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you guys (and gals) want to get upset, fine.
I’m not going to be one.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Goofus, I’m right there with you
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Alderson was overrated last year. The assumption was that he would add speed to FB because of his projectable frame but he hasn’t. In fact there are reports that he’s regressed. This trade is not terrible and I’m glad they’re going for it this season and next.
by RougeGorrila on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with you goofus.
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by Andy from DC on Jul 29, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Useful Idiot is right about Goofus being right
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 29, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean just punched his ticket out if the Giants miss the playoffs
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by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not a great trade
But I don’t see it as bad as some of you folks do.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very mixed
I screamed at the television when I heard Alderson’s name, but I’m happy we have Sanchez. Should have gotten ALOT more for Alderson though. How is Sabean unwilling to give up Jonathan Sanchez yet Alderson is expendable?
by PazzSF on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitt probably held out for Alderson and knew we needed a hitter + Sanch plays a position that fits our needs
by hardcore on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad Sabean didn't get a hitter
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm…I dunno why. Could be because Sanchez has some success in MLB, a no-hitter, great stuff and a good K/IP rate. Sanchez has a MUCH higher ceiling.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done
Higher ceiling + success at higher level = BETTER PLAYER. I would much rather trade Alderson than J Sanchez.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have Dirty than Alderson and it’s not close.
by RougeGorrila on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the positive side
This trade makes me feel much better about the Garko deal. By comparison, Sabes did brilliant work in that one.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about that actually. Alderson is closer to Barnes than he is to MADBUM imo
by RougeGorrila on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Sabean: Making His Earlier Moves Look Better By Comparison Since 2003.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jul 29, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posey, Angel, Neal, Bumgarner are the untouchables?
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We are done making moves Im almost positive
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garko/Sanchez/Frandsen for Vc the Stick— book it.
by Giant Homer on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean is a joke. Giants fans sit through years of underperforming where the only thing we have to look forward to is our prospects, and then they’re fucking gone before they can reach their potential. This team was built to contend in the next few years, not today, and Sabean is just pissing it away.
by el flaco on Jul 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How does one go about starting a petition
Neukom needs to know how truly evil our GM is.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He's Too Busy
Trying to hold onto Santa Clara County
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about we protest IN Santa Clara County?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMNIT
This is so lukewarm of a trade. Depends on Sanchez’s production/Alderson’s future.
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pending a physical, yeah?
So let’s have a RALLY SANCHEZ PHYSICAL FAIL SUBTHREAD
PHYSICAL FAIL PLZ
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is such an obvious deal from the Pirates perspective that I have to imagine Sabean could have made it a month ago. Not that I like this deal at all, but an extra month of Sanchez this year would have made a pretty big difference.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree. A month ago, the Twins would’ve lobbied a lot harder for Sanchez. Now that they’ve lost Slowely I’m sure they pulled their best offer back.
by tyrannoman on Jul 29, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO PLAY TOMORROW
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the DL by Aug 1
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So where is the new hole on diamond?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shortstop, catcher, corner outfield.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You left out General Manager, Manager, Pitching Coach, and Minor League Starter
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You left out hitting coach
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 29, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a RHH outfielder who hits for power!
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't we have given the A's some crappy prospects for orlando cabrera?
and stuck him at 2b? i mean, if we really really needed to make a trade.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Or we could’ve just signed Orlando Hudson in the off-season _
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by ejdacanay on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS. FUCKING THIS.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Joeseph better hit dingerz
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel so sick to my stomach right now
by superk1ng on Jul 29, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this reminds me of the time I traded in my cake and got a pie
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by merkin on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great goodness
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Lars!
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, we still, have Guzman, Frandsen, Bowker, etc. etc. just hanging out. Sabean coulda really cleaned house instead of bloating.
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by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that implies that someone would’ve taken those stiffs.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait for some team to trade two c prospects for Kennedy.
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by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Here's the absolute worst part
The Phillies gave up a bunch of fucking nobodies for FUCKING CLIFF LEE. HE WON A CY YOUNG.
by itlynstalyn on Jul 29, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and we gave up a good prospect for a guy with a batting title
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a prospect who quite possibly could amount to very little
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every one one of the players they traded is projected to be a MLB starter.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eugenio Velez is an MLB starter, your point?
by itlynstalyn on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, you are funny. Velez isn’t a started. Velez is a moderately useful AAA player who can make spot starts. Hell, Velez is probably going to get down as soon as they get Sanchez on the roster.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what were their choices?
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by timmeh on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Accidentally, you make the case for this trade.
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by lyricalkiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. Lots of people have started in the majors. That doesn’t make them major league-caliber starters. There’s a difference.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point isn’t that Velez has started games. My point is that every one of those prospects is projected to be a MLB starter. They aren’t just a bunch of crap players.
by positiveuphemism on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
They gave up a lot of good talent for Lee.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They gave up a single top 50 prospect from their farm system.
by itlynstalyn on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, what would victor martinez cost? Is there something about Alderson we don’t know?
by Crusher on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HE BETTER BE THE FUCKING SAVIOR
it’s playoffs or bust now!
by superk1ng on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm drowning my sorrows in cake
(it’s birthday cake day in the office)
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Jul 29, 2009 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like pie too
but work doesn’t have birthday pie day
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie is good. Cake is better. ( yep Im on the cake team)
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by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Be prepared for the banned. I like both, though
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE CAKE IS PEOPLE!!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by stress on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone believe Sabean knows how to do any advanced analysis?
High Batting average = GOOD! Give up the farm! This is all about trying to get a contract for next year for Sabean, and he ought to be fired for it. Its one thing to give up Alderson for a cost controlled young 2b; for a guy the Pirates don’t want to retain past this year. gah.
GAAHHHH I’m annoyed right now.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This. Soooo this.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, Felipe Lopez is basically the same hitter
and Milwaukee acquired him for scrubs. And we give up frigging Alderson because Sabean wants to cover his own ass?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. Either trade scraps for a similar player like Lopez or trade Alderson, but get a real bat — Willingham, whoever. But this? Why? The Pirates were the ones who had to dump his salary. I don’t get it. Wait, yes I do: Sabes just said in the press conference that Sanchez has won a BATTING TITLE!!! was an ALL-STAR!!! three out of the last four years (nevermind the Pirates had to have one and he’s versatile). I guess he must be a superstar.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I bet that's all Sabean looked at
I don’t think he has the understanding to go beyond that. The concept of OBP is foreign to him.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bengie Molina still bats cleanup! AAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!
This is my favorite part of the thread so far. Both of you are so dead-on target. Sabean’s pathetically poor analysis of hitting has just struck again. On a team that:
- is next-to-last in the NL in OBP
- is next-to-last in the NL in SLG
- is next-to-last in the NL in OPS
- is next-to-last in the NL in HRs
- is next-to-last in the NL in Runs Scored
- has Bengie Molina batting cleanup…
…Brian Sabean targets (and trades one of our top trade commodities for) …(wait for it)… a fair-to-middling #2 hitter? Freddy Sanchez will not bring significant help in any of the above categories. In five full seasons, Sanchez has OPSed over .800 one time. Even with that one season, Sanchez’ career OPS and OPS+ are just .756 and 98, respectively. Not very impressive, and definitely not the kind of hitter the Giants needed to really do some damage in the postseason (if they even make it that far). Furthermore, Sanchez, who has about 3/4 of his career at bats against RHP, has career splits of .711 OPS and 88 OPS+ vs. RHP.
The Giants are desperately in need of power hitting, and for the life of him, Brian Sabean simply is unable to figure this out. Unfortunately, Sabean LO-O-O-OVES intangibles, and the only hitting tangible he seems to go for is batting average. Furthermore, he seems to ALWAYS evaluate players based on their best (usually outlier) season. When Sabean looks at a guy like Sanchez, he’ll ALWAYS see a .344 hitting batting champ. And he paid the going rate for that type of hitter. Yes, no one knows how Alderson will pan out, but I can’t believe he had this low of trade value. I can’t believe that all Alderson could bring us was an overpaid, non-power hitting, non-difference-making, injured second baseman.
I’ve been pining for Sabean to be removed for five years now. I fear it will never happen. Nor will winning a World Series, as long as Sabean is around.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jul 29, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The crazy thing is how the fuck did management approve this
by Lobsterkite on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without checking, advanced analysis treats Sanchez very well because of defense plus positional adjustment. Hasn’t he been worth like $16 or $17 million per year the past few?
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Closer to 10, but yes, he is underpaid.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I totally agree with you
But what the hell can we do about it? Is there an email address we have to which I can address my complaints? Does anyone have Neukom’s phone number?
by Steve on Jul 29, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great trade except....
we gave up #4 prospect for 31yr old 2nd baseman with no power who at best is a #2 hitter
life sucks…Bochy “i envision him batting in the two hole”
Oh yea thats our problem!!!! arghhhhh
by cazzuno on Jul 29, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and Molina continues to bat #4
WE REALLY NEEDED TO MAKE A DRASTIC MOVE LIKE THIS
by superk1ng on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AT BEST!
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list and batting .326 in Scottsdale...which I believe has be renamed Rafaelsdale.
by BrianBokake on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please tell me this is an elaborate joke.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is NOT an elaborate joke. What it is, is a blatant punch to the gut from yours truly, Brian “Fck Yea” Sabean.
Welcome to the Warriors, Stephen Curry, the 2009 NBA Rookie of the Year.
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by ejdacanay on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this lineup isnt bad
rowand
sanchez
sandoval
molina
garko
winn
renteria
schierholts/torres/valez
by jv52yankees on Jul 29, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Molina is still cleanup and the corner outfield situation is still a mess.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not very good either
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't we have gotten DUNN for alderson + some others?
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That would have been much worse. At least Sanchez is an above-average player.
by taliesin on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. i guess 40hrs 100rbi is a matter of opinion.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dingerz are nice, true, but he’s also a butcher on defense and gives back most of what he gets offensively.
Also, I don’t think too many people are going to take you seriously if you bring up RBIs as if they mean something about how good a player is.
by taliesin on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But bengie has tons of RBIZZZZ!
by quincy0191 on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Worst defense in the majors. Look it up. He gives all those runs he produces back on defense.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power and OBP
The Giants are missing two thing in their offense: Power and the ability to get on base. Dunn provides both, Sanchez provide neither. It’s pretty simple.
by rcobeen on Jul 29, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Willingham provides both
And isn’t a complete butcher in the field. And would cost less. and is a righty
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 29, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Worst defense in baseball is even simpler.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
15.7 VORP for Dunn vs. 4.9 for Franchez. How is this an argument?
They say you're a pitcher; you sure aren't much of a dresser.
by CystedTwister on Jul 29, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 29, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the fact that VORP sucks
and LF offense v. 2nd base offense
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+
Dunn 132, Sanchez 98
Dunn is more valuable, plus he provides what the Giants need.
by rcobeen on Jul 29, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be relevant if Dunn was a DH, but the Giants play in the National League.
by taliesin on Jul 29, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not taking in account his defense.
Judgment Day has been indefinitely postponed. :(
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by Natto on Jul 29, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least I’m well on my way to drunkenness
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
That’s always a good response
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McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the way to go.
Drown it out, maybe it will go away tomorrow.
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
times like these I hate being 17 and living with my parents
Kevin Pucetas lurks in the shadows, waiting for his time to shine.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they thinking of trading you away for an aging vet?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sammy Danger’s parents are the Sabeans?
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, maybe I should get some beer.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Celebration drunk
turned into angry drunk!!!
The 1st pitch is the best
by Tay on Jul 29, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow I was willing to trade Alderson but I would never do it for Sanchez. FU SABES FU FU FU FU FU.
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by MetalFaceDoom on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Willingham, maybe
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This just in: Pirates included McCutchen in the trade!
Not really.
by Fresburg on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had a glimmer of hope there.
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by El Person on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that guy – until he is playing center field for the Giants.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way we could have got Willingham for Alderson? If Sabean wanted to trade Alderson, it would have been good to get an above-average hitter.
by taliesin on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Our farm system is sooo average now...I FUCKING HATE YOU SABEAN
by DuikeBuike on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Calm down
It is still above average
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still got
Bumgarner
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Posey. Two of the top 10 prospects in THE ENTIRE GAME!
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like the trade. alderson is good our improvement at 2B is worth more
by justhangin on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point I'm almost hoping Sanchez is on the DL most of the year
so Giants Brazz doesn’t say “OMG SABES U MADE THIS TEAM A WINNER HAVE A 10 YEAR EXTENSION!”
Kevin Pucetas lurks in the shadows, waiting for his time to shine.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re hoping it fails for the sake of it not succeeding? YEAH GUYS I’M WITH THIS
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sabean sure sounds done with trading
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabean: “There is still time on the clock. I can’t say if there is another move coming”
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he looks just like relaxed and doesnt care anymore
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depressingly kicks tires
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go jump into a lake Brian
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG no
Somebody please steal his cell phone and turn off his land-line until Saturday.
Where’s Nuekom in all of this?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said before
Bawwing over the south bay. Check back when that drama is over, he’ll get back to caring about the TEAM
"I suddenly hate Canada with a passion = BASTARDS!!!!!! " -Mr K, Upon hearing Moyes filing Chapter 11
by joe579 on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
M-Fer. Sabean knew they were gonna trade him anyway, say no to what they want. Hold steady at your counter offer.
It’s not that Alderson is a lock to be a good MLB SP, it’s that he has more value than a decent 2b.
Hope sanchez repeats winn’s torrid move a few years ago.
by jayreed13 on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frandsen Screwed again!!
Poor Franny must have been hoping he’d be traded so bad.
Do not meddle in the affairs of GM's, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't there a chance he can play shortstop or some other position? Does it HAVE to be 2nd?
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could, but his Karma won’t give him the chance.
I think he can play third also.
Do not meddle in the affairs of GM's, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point is, he’ll be a September call up and play wherever and provide good depth as a utility man
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, you think he’ll play! No he won’t. Well, maybe for another team.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you forgot that fransden cant hit major league pitchers
by cazzuno on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you forgot edgar renteria has a place on this team
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking for a silver lining for Franny… How possible is it that with the bone spurs they want to hold onto Frandsen for SS insurance?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What an idiotic move. Alderson’s numbers were definitely Dodd affected and if all you can get was Sanchez back, it’s a massive ripoff.
by HaroldS on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well, Dodd's a pitcher's park
so that doesn’t help this arguement
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well now frandsen can get traded...
along with downs. maybe we make another move?
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 29, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
at this point, probably for vernon wells or something
I’m in FULL OVERREACTION MODE right now don’t bother me
Kevin Pucetas lurks in the shadows, waiting for his time to shine.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bochy said "
two minor league pitchers" who is the other
by cazzuno on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barnes
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong
that where before this trade I was hoping that Alderson turn out to be a top pitcher in the league and now I wish nothing but horrible things upon him?
by Johnny Drama on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it's the "jason schmidt" complex
i feel guilty i thought the same things about him, with where he is now
how good is the giants' starting rotation? our rotation is so good, our 5th starters throw no-hitters. uh.
by Golden Gate Review on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Schmidt is different.
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by El Person on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it was easier with ScHmIdT
since he went to the dodgers
by Johnny Drama on Jul 29, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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by Natto on Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not like it was his decsion, come on now
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t reflect well on your character.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your user names are very similar
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First!
Also, mine isn’t a reference to Matt Dillon’s brother.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dejan_Kovacevic#No cash in Sanchez trade8 minutes ago from web
by Tripon on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
salt on wounds.
Until the wheels fall off. Unless this is what it looks like with them on.
by periqueblend on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/me lols
/me kills self
Kevin Pucetas lurks in the shadows, waiting for his time to shine.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been keeping calm because if Sanchez is free then I like this trade – If there is no cash I am going to lose it
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so now we trade bumgarner for willingham?
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no, for a veteran reliever
He knows how to win!
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
willingham isn't injured
so probably not.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner for Darren Oliver
That’s only if Sabes can’t get Wagner
by dprodigy19 on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Stanton's available
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jul 29, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Alderson = not worth what you think he is. The giants have fleeced the pirates so many times, could this be compensation? I admit I thought we couldve done better with him…mainly due to buying the Mccoven Prospect Hype™. Sachez fills a much needed hole…since we won’t play frandsen. I got nothin
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
He's a 20 year old pitcher in AA
He led the California League in ERA as a high school pitcher in his first season. BA had him as a top 50 prospect, BP at 60, others in the top 30. The idea that he is worth Sanchez in this environment is ridiculous; does anyone think Minnesota was going to take on $8M next year?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he’s got a great rank above replacemet player, and I supposed to throw self down stairs? Btw someone call marcello and make sure he’s ok; he threw a fit over barnes, I’m afraid he might hurt someone after this.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jul 29, 2009 5:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Surprisingly
I’m not that upset with this trade. It’s certainly not a great trade and I think we paid too much again, but at least it’s a significant upgrade for the team this year and next, unlike the Barnes trade.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Jul 29, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they fleeced Dave Littlefield...
this is not Dave Littlefield….this is the opposite
by NeifiChicken on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'll do that any day of the week"
Ralph
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
can he please die in a fire now?
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/points to an Amici’s pizza
Bowkermania has been put on hiatus for retooling.
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph is also the person who told me on the air years ago that signing Vlad Guerrero was a bad move
Of course, he adopted my stance less than a month later.
by dprodigy19 on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been bitching in the wrong thread for 20 minutes
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/bitches about that as well
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Sanchez owes us like 90 hits before the end of the season, and 200 next year. Then I am okay with this trade
by m34josh on Jul 29, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the trade
I think it’s too much to give up. But I don’t think it’s worth going into a blind rage over
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 29, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen some of the things the MCC goes into a rage about?
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Rush is different.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush FAILS
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 29, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Rush is different good
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAIL
Proud parent of Frederick Charles Merkle.
by jhiat00 on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry everyone, for opening this can of worms.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/guy we traded mark sweeney for
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
Alderson is in pittsburgh now, no one does well there. Cain, Lincecum, two elite pitchers that dominate the division and all signs point to Bumgarner fitting in the same class. Obviously no team wants to see that in the playoffs, let the GM worry about offense for a team that can’t score runs.
by Crusher on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst part
This deal was done two days before the deadline. How do you not go all the way to the wire if the Pirates are holding steady at Alderson?
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Giants didn't want to pay his plane fare
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially when sanchez cant play yet
SIgn Many Bats!
by ringleader3 on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those really against it
I guess you know more than major league executives. Send your resumes to the teams.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hillenbrand
AJ
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this point, i agree
how good is the giants' starting rotation? our rotation is so good, our 5th starters throw no-hitters. uh.
by Golden Gate Review on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meaning, i think i could do a better job
how good is the giants' starting rotation? our rotation is so good, our 5th starters throw no-hitters. uh.
by Golden Gate Review on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly you’re already one for Toronto or San Francisco or Washington if you value a salary dump for a really really good prospect.
by HaroldS on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the assumption...
that all MLB executives are there because of merit
by NeifiChicken on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I love the assumption
Average people can do better.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In this case they can, if you bother watching some of the prospects pitch. Sabean has never once been to Connecticut. Well done.
by HaroldS on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure he’s never seen him in SJ, or anywhere Alderson played on the road? You don’t think that James Barr didn’t file an internal scouting report on him?
by tyrannoman on Jul 29, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope he went down to SJ, and I’m sure Barr did file a report.
But I also know they’ve been very, very dumb with their expectations of players in AA in the past, and that’s much easier to do when you’ve never even seen a game at the home stadium when it so dramatically affects numbers and approaches people take at the plate and on the mound.
When you really break down both Alderson’s numbers and what he needed to do to reach the majors rather than read the surface ERA of over 4, it’s a different story.
by HaroldS on Jul 29, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the assumption
That they can’t.
by quincy0191 on Jul 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, send you resume to teams. The Mets will be looking for GM soon.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarah Palin for President! Average folk FTW!
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, i have honestly no idea about any of the prospects in the minors
Or how they will do in the majors, aint my job
by PiKAgiant on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every GM in the history of baseball, by virtue of their title, knows more about baseball than anyone who is not a GM. That’s some sweeeeet logic.
by Grant on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
But some here seem to think they know better than the average GM (although some people here may actually be smart than Omar Minaya.)
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The evaluation of the game has moved beyond the skills and abilities of most MLB GMs. They refuse to use tools at hand. And thus most of us with an internet connection could do an adequate job as a GM.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This may have been true five years ago but I’m not sure it’s true now.
by RougeGorrila on Jul 29, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evaluation is one thing, and on that you’re right. There are a lot of armchair GMs who think they’re smarter than people who do this for a living, especially thanks to the advent of easy statistical analysis and the cult of Beane.
People make mistakes, players don’t develop, things work out different than they should have – and in that sense I’ve defended Sabean in the past. He’s made a lot of good trades as well as the disasters people here tend to focus on. So either the rest of baseball was drastically overvaluing Alderson or Sabean is far smarter than everyone else in baseball in deciding that he wasn’t going to pan out. That may end up being true.
However, continually looking at your poker hand and not being creative with it is another.
I simply cannot believe that given Alderson’s valuation by others in the game that he couldn’t have brought back more – a lot more – if packaged properly. That’s unforgivable in anyone who makes their living trading, . This fills a need, but a good GM leverages his chips to get more chips unless you’re going to win everything now. The Giants aren’t, and giving up this particular chip at this point puts me in the camp that would prefer to see a new GM.
by HaroldS on Jul 29, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not defending Sabean. I actually hate him but I just see way too much overreaction to this deal.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the ‘overreaction’ is not about Sanchez, and not even about Alderson, but more that a lot of us who’d been in Sabean’s camp just realized that much of the criticism was dead on.
by HaroldS on Jul 29, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully, I wanted Sabean gone two to three years ago.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolute agreement here.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Jul 29, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point isn't whether any of us could do a better job than Sabean...
The point is, there are plenty of eminently qualified people around MLB who could do a much, much, much better job than Sabean, and would be only too happy to do so, if given the opportunity.
The point isn’t that everything that Brian Sabean does brings death and destruction to the San Francisco Giants. The point is, NOTHING he has done since 2002 has brought the Giants within reach of a World Series. What he has done today continues that trend.
Sabean long ago lost the right to any benefit of the doubt. For six years now, he has made bad trade after bad trade, and has signed worthless free agent after worthless free agent, overpaying in the process nearly every time. Sure, even good GM’s make bad deals from time to time, but since the end of 2002, nearly every move Brian Sabean has made has ranged from mediocre, to bad, to disastrous.
He has destroyed any faith that many of us may have once had in him. I can only hope that Giants’ ownership will do the right thing soon, and get rid of him.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jul 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is seriously the worst argument ever. Unless you are going to argue that EVERY trade is a PERFECT trade that benefits both teams equally, there is plenty of room to criticize. Anyway, I guess you know more than internet posters. Send your resume to your mom’s basement.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up
I never I knew more than anybody else here but I’m sure the average person doesn’t know more than the average MLB GM.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By your logic, one should passively accept the decision-making of the people in charge in every aspect of life.
by Evan on Jul 29, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My experience in life is that an astonishing amount of people aren’t that good at their job — I know of know level of profession (President, Supreme Court Justice, 500 CEO) where this stops being true.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually very astute. I’m suprisingly poor at my job, even. This is something to think about.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Jul 29, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAINMAN PART MOTHERFUCKING TWO
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is just what I thought. The GRM Defense < The Chewbacca Defense.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jul 29, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again, giants fans overvaluing unproven minor league prospects.
by candlestickparklegends on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, bad knees on a 31-year old FOR THE WIN!
by Giant Homer on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reacting to years of cumulative fail by Sabean. It’s not as simple as a reation to this single trade.
Do not meddle in the affairs of GM's, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s not as bad of a trade as a lot of people are making this out to be. we’re pitching rich in the minors and right now alderson isn’t doing anything for us sitting in double A Connecticut. if anyone expected to get an all star who consistently hits around .300, has a batting title, and a hell of a glove for peanuts, then their delusional. not to mention he was the face of the pirates franchise.
by candlestickparklegends on Jul 29, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made that “pitching rich” argument to justify the Garko deal, but in this case it doesn’t come close to working.
One more time, repeat after me, Sanchez was a salary dump for the Pirates. We had them over a barrel, because they had no other legit suitors and Sanchez was almost certain to get 600 ABs this year. As soon as he hit 600 ABs his 2010 option would vest and the Pirates would be on the hook to pay him $8M next year whether they wanted him or not. There’s no way you give up the #3 prospect in your system for a salary dump trade.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another achey 2nd baseman just makes me think of Durham – After the Brewers traded for him.
Do not meddle in the affairs of GM's, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i now officially join the “Fire Sabean” campaign. This is a poo poo platter served with a nice heaping of shit on top to us the fans. Hooray.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Jul 29, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s not like Frandsen hasn’t had chances to take the position …
by hardcore on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when? Burriss got 200+ at bats. Frandsen got a couple of cups of coffee and no extended playing time despite a much better track record. I wouldn’t call that a chance.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his own fault for tearing his achilles
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gamers play through that
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard for any player to come back from a 1 year injury layoff and Frandsen was only given 39 very spread out at bats this year to try and get his groove.
Do not meddle in the affairs of GM's, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all valid points above, am probably not giving Frandsen enough slack … am just more inclined to strike while the hammer’s hot than patiently wait for potential to develop, or not, and miss chances at the post season … particularly considering the record of several wild card teams doing well in the playoffs, and with the starting pitching we can throw out there
by hardcore on Jul 29, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would have been nice to see Frandsen included in the trade ,even just as a give away, so we don’t have to hear him bitch to the Fresno Bee anymore
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
our pitching depth is really not that great anymore
by superk1ng on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate Dejan Kovacevic
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
by gianator on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d shoot that messenger as well
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE STILL NEED ANOTHER POWER BAT
HOW ARE WE GONNA GET ONE W/O TRADING MAD BUM??? WE WON’T.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What happens if Alderson turns out to be a bust?
by 49er16 on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if
you uncle had…
would he be your auntie?
by Giant Homer on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I am saying is sit back on this one. You don’t know if Alderson will turn into the next Foppert. Sanchez is a solid 2nd baseman, who can help this team this year.
by 49er16 on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be more laid back about it if Sanchez didn’t have the injury concers. That drives value WAAAY down. Bad knees and a bad back? That’s a perfect shytestorm right thar.
by Giant Homer on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is that this is a bad deal, in and of itself. At their present relative values, in the exact moment of the trade, in the context of the Pirates situation, Sabean should have done better – or walked away.
Our chief trader isn’t very good at the art of trading.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sure should be.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could be a bust. he could be a stud. he’ll likely be somewhere in between. you can’t make trades based on what if. you have to make deals based on the probabilities. in 2 years, Sanchez will very likely be gone. while he’s here, he’ll be past his prime and overpaid. Alderson, even if he becomes a back end starter or a is more valuable.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t he also be a type A and looking for a long-term contract to ride out the rest of his playing years?
by RougeGorrila on Jul 29, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alderson is way too good of a prospect to use the typical “he could turn out to be a bust” line. Yes, there is no such thing as a pitching prospect, but top 50 prospects turn out to be busts much much less frequently than 2nd tier prospects.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
u guys must be clairvoyant. I’m going to sit back and enjoy the fact that we finally have a good second baseman. Feel free to say I told you so if Tim becomes a stud, but based on his stuff I don’t think that will happen. By the way demanding that Sabean be fired now is dumb. Neukom obviously signed off on this.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
when we have a good 2B...
point him out to me. We have a decent 2B that has a good chance at heading to bad despite being paid in the top 5 at his position
by NeifiChicken on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A second basemen that gets 150-200 hits per season. Thats a good second basemen for this franchise!
by m34josh on Jul 29, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but they keep sending him back to Fresno.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YET
Molina will continue to bat clean up
by superk1ng on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 more days to deadline. Don’t give up yet.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner for Dunn
I’m going to fucking hurl
by superk1ng on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens I might have some tickets to this weekends games available.
by Merope on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Search your heart. You know it’s true.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s also a matter of the current positions of the organization. Who here thought the Pirates were ever serious on signing Sanchez to a multi-year extension? Elsewhere, there aren’t very many contending teams with both a significant hole at 2B and the money to take on Sanchez’s contract.
Tim’s future potential is debatable. Sanchez’s future as a Pirate is not.
by SeeingStars on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FUCK IT........
We just put all our chips in for this and next year! Sabaen better be trying to find a RHH outfielder with power too.
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
makes it worse this is a day after bumgarner has that shitstorm of a start
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not pleased.
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jul 29, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Join the club
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno… they had to know something. alderson’s numbers were demonstrably worse this year. His K/9 etc were all down. Maybe he was not worth as much as we thought. bottom line is that the lineup is better-marginally…
by capn on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Alderson
may b only slightly better than Joe Nathan
Sanchez
May be slightly better then Edgardo Alfonso
by Timmy Cain on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Nathan
Thanks for bringing up another fun Sabean memory
by dprodigy19 on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, we went from the second worst offense in the league to the 3rd worst?
by G-Rob on Jul 29, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
brodie brazil just made sanchez tear up
With Malice Towards Maria Shriver
by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
who was that douchebag?
I’m hoping to never see him on TV again
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here I was, thinking this site was more mature than sfgate and sfgiants.com
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably still is.
I imagine what is being said over those sites.
by SFGuy on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.300 HITTUR!
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the worst part of it is is that this was done after hearing the news on Randy Johnson’s injury, which I think effectively ends the Giants chances of contending (yes giantsrainman, I am blinded by hate)
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s a very good observation.
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by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing to keep in mind is Alderson’s K rate was 6.9 at San Jose and is 5.7 in Connecticut. I still think we could have improved at 2B without giving him up but it’s not like Alderson will become Matt Cain someday. He will have to rely on keeping his walk rate under 2 per 9 in the majors while keeping the ball in the yard.
Also his WHIP at San Jose is 1.24 and at Connecticut is 1.31.
Sanchez is a 3+ wins a year player coming to position where we haven’t been able to field a replacement level player.
It’s clearly an upgrade for the rest of this year and next year. Only time will tell if Alderson turns into a Joel Piniero type player which at this time I see as his ceiling. Odds are always against a player hitting his ceiling.
by sanfranfan on Jul 29, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
haha my first reaction when I saw the name Alderson in the text from my friend was Hell No here comes AJ Pierzynski all over again. Then I stepped back and looked at the numbers and calmed down. If other GMs valued Alderson as highly as Baseball America did we could have gotten a little more in my opinion. I do think BA overvalued him though.
Everyone also tends to overrate homegrown talents just because we’ve been envisioning the 2012 Giants being the first team to allow fewer than 100 runs for a couple of years.
by sanfranfan on Jul 29, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what you seem to not comprehend
is that while he may not succeed, his value in terms of a trade is significantly higher than that of an operpaid 31 year old with injury concerns. this trade is so terrible for that alone.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 29, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure it is though. We’re not sure what kind of offers Sabean got for Alderson. Maybe the other teams looked at his performance this year and wrote off his stuff..we don’t know for sure.
by sanfranfan on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then don’t trade him right now. He’s still a valuable chip in November, or January, or March, if you just must get rid of him.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jul 29, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the best point made in favor so far.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Alderson’s value has taken a dip and this is a good point. However, he is a 20 year old more than holding his own in AA ball. That indicates a pitcher of considerable value, certainly more than 2nd baseman whose whole value offensively and defensively is tied to his BA.
by rcobeen on Jul 29, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok I'm gonna stop posting
I’m already wildly overreacting and pretty soon I’m gonna start saying some really lol stuff
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by Sammy Danger on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
too late for me
I should have stopped posting 20 minutes ago
by superk1ng on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh
I’m blown away how universally negative people are on this trade. Proven major leaguer whose an improvement at 2nd base. Alderson may end up being Satchel Paige, but there’s a far greater chance he won’t pan out.
What about the argument: If you can get a proven major leaguer for a minor leaguer, take the trade (with some exceptions, of course). You’ll get burned 30% of the time, but you come out ahead more often than not. Alderson is all just ML potential at this point. Sanchez is what he is.
by Roadie on Jul 29, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
People here are always really negative, unless we’re really really happy. This place keeps the makers of lithium based medications in business.
by Merope on Jul 29, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Watch what’s going to happen: We give up Alderson and get Freddy Sanchez. The Dodgers will give up a bowl of rice and four non-prospects and land Roy Halladay. I’ll be more than a little upset if this happens.
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by JRPhillips on Jul 29, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
guys, at the end of the day, we can all unite and LOL at the dodgers
since Schmidt will be starting Friday against the Braves
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by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Freddy, welcome to the Giants
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by goGSW24 on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hes going to give her the herpes he has on his lip
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by heimy25 on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question:
If we can’t resign him, do we get draft picks if signed by someone else?
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by ejdacanay on Jul 29, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs