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Highlights from the Giants' farm: (a) Brandon Crawford had four hits; (b) Brock Bond reached base four times; (c,d) Thomas Neal and C.J. Ziegler each had three hits, including three doubles between them; and (e) Eric Surkamp faced just one batter over the minimum in 3.0 IP before rain suspended his game.

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AAA: Fresno defeated Colorado Springs 4-3
(rallying for three runs in bottom of 9th inning)

Fresno: C Buster Posey: 1 for 3, BB, GiDP, PB
Fresno: 1B John Bowker: 1 for 3, BB, SO
Fresno: LF Joe Borchard: 1 for 4, HR

Fresno: RHP Kevin Pucetas: 6.2 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 4 K--1 HB
Fresno: RHP Osiris Matos: 0.1 IP
Fresno: RHP Steven Edlefsen: 2.0 IP, 3 K
Colorado Springs: RHP Adam Eaton: 5.2 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K

Posey and Bowker both reached base twice, including in the 9th inning to set up Borchard's three-run, no-out, walk-off HR, his 11th HR in fifty games with the Grizzlies.

Pucetas had another quality start.  He has allowed 3 ER or less while having 6.0 IP or more in seven of his last nine starts.  Matos stranded both runners he inherited from Pucetas.  Edlefsen struck out three of the six batters he faced in 2.0 perfect IP.  In eight PCL games, he now has 6 H, 4 BB, 2 ER, and 11 K in 11.1 IP.  The Rockies' Eaton has an ERA below 2.50 through nine PCL starts.

AA: Connecticut defeated Bowie 13-12 (11 innings)
(despite trailing 7-2 after three innings)

Connecticut: 2B Brock Bond: 3 for 6, 2B, BB, 2 SO
Connecticut: 3B Brad Boyer; 3 for 7, 2 2B, SO
Connecticut: PH-DH Eddy Martinez-Esteve: 1 for 3, HR
Connecticut: SS Brandon Crawford: 4 for 6, 2 2B, HBP, SH, SO

Connecticut: LHP Madison Bumgarner: 1.2 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 0 K--1 HR, 1 WP
Connecticut: LHP Ben Snyder: 0.0 IP, 1 H
Connecticut: LHP Steven Calicutt: 1.1 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB--1 IBB
Connecticut: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB
Connecticut: LHP Joe Paterson: 2.0 IP, 2 K
Connecticut: RHP Ramon Castro: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER

Crawford had four of the Defenders' 22 hits, getting his AVG in July back above the Mendoza line.  With a sub-.600 OPS in July, he is now hitting just .242/.290/.346 in 206 AB since his promotion in early May to the upper minors.  Bond had his fifth straight multi-hit game, helping to keep his OPS this month over 1.000.  Boyer also had three hits.  EME connected for his 5th HR, a two-run, one-out HR in the 11th inning.

Bumgarner had perhaps the worst start of his career before being ejected in the 2nd inning.  Snyder then faced just one batter, allowing a double that according to the recap was a "on a line drive to third baseman Brad Boyer, deflected by pitcher Ben Snyder."  Calicutt then gave up 4 ER in his upper minors debut.  Joaquin and Paterson restored order with two scoreless innings each.  Castro, an infielder, was the Defenders' seventh reliever to appear in the game and received a save after the previous two relievers had both blown save opportunities.

A+: San Jose lost 16-7

San Jose: CF Darren Ford: 1 for 4, 2B, BB, SO, SB
San Jose: LF Thomas Neal: 3 for 5, 2B, SO
San Jose: 1B C.J. Ziegler: 3 for 5, 2 2B, 2 SO
San Jose: 2B Nick Noonan: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Stockton: 2B Jemile Weeks: 2 for 4, 2B, 2 BB
Stockton: C Yusuf Carter: 4 for 5, BB

San Jose: RHP T.J. Brewer: 2.0 IP, 7 H, 9 R, 9 ER, 3 BB, 1 K--1 HR, 2 WP
San Jose: RHP Ryan Shaver: 2.0 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 2 K

Neal and Ziegler each had three hits, helping to maintain an AVG above .300 for both players.  Defensively, Ziegler looked pretty limited, though.  Noonan also had a multi-hit line.  Reportedly, the Giants had asked Ford to take up switch-hitting after last season, but apparently that experiment is over with Ford taking all his at bats last night as a right-hander.  Perhaps not coincidentally, this has been his best month of the season.  Carter, who repressented the Athletics' affiliate in the all-star game, reached base five times.  Weeks, the Atheltics' first round pick a year ago, reached base four times.  After a red-hot June with an OPS over 1.200, he has had just a .571 OPS in July. 

Back in the rotation following the Scott Barnes trade, Brewer was alternatively wild and hit hard.  His ERA ballooned to 4.20.  Shaver made his first appearance with a full-season affiliate in over a year.  He was the only one of four Giants relievers facing more than one batter not to allow a run.

A-: Augusta at Hickory suspended in the 4th inning because for rain
(The GreenJackets were leading 4-1 in a game that will be resumed at noon today.)

Augusta: LF Wendell Fairley: 1 for 2, HR
Augusta: DH Andy D'Alessio: 1 for 1, HR, BB

Augusta: LHP Eric Surkamp: 3.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R, ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 PO

Fairley and D'Alessio both homered, with the 3rd and 7th HRs, respectively.

Surkamp faced just one batter over the minimum in his three innings.  This was his fifth straight start with more strikeout than innings pitched.

ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Tri-City 3-1

Salem-Keizer: 1B Chris Dominguez: 1 for 3, HR, BB, 2 SO, CS
Salem-Keizer: 3B Andrew Biery: 0 for 4, 3 SO
Salem-Keizer: SS Ryan Cavan: 1 for 1, 2B, 2 BB

Salem-Keizer: RHP Jeremy O'Toole: 5.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 5 K
Tri-City: RHP Rex Brothers: 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB< 4 K

Dominguez led off the 2nd inning with his 7th NWL HR.  Cavan reached base in all three plate appearances, raising his OBP over .400.  The previously red-hot Biery had the oh-fer with the hat trick.

O'Toole's fifth pro start was his best yet, and he now has a 1.40 ERA in his five starts although he has issued 9 BB in 19.1 IP.  Brothers, whom the Rockies selected in the supplemental first round last month, struck out four of the seven batters he faced in his third pro game.

R: Giants defeated Cubs 7-3

Scottsdale: 3B Josh Lopez: 2 for 3, 2 BB, SO, SB
Scottsdale: C Jesse Shriner: 2 for 4, 2 2B, BB, SO, SB

Scottsdale: RHP Chris Heston: 4.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
Scottsdale: RHP Jason Stoffel: 1.0 IP, 1 K

Batting leadoff, Lopez reached base four times.  After hitting just .195 last summer in the AZL, he has a .326 AVG this year.  Shriner raised his AVG above .300, and half of his 22 H have been doubles.

In his third pro start and sixth appearance, Heston set a new pro career-high with 5 K.  Stoffel worked a perfect 8th inning in his fourth pro appearance.

DSL: Giants defeated Pirates 8-7

Dominican: DH Robedluis Fuentes: 2 for 4, HR, BB
Dominican: RF Jose De La Cruz: 4 for 4, 2 2B, CS
Dominican: RHP Ariel Hernandez: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--2 HB, 1 WP

Fuentes (20.10 y.o.) had his 1st HR of the season (in 169 AB).  He also had 1 HR last year.  De La Cruz's (18.3 y.o.) four hits raised his AVG to .274.  Hernandez (17.4 y.o.) has now allowed 9 ER in his last two appearances, ballooning his ERA to 3.45 after having allowed just 3 ER in his previous season appearances.

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Ben Snyder upate...

all tests negative, a knot on the head and most likely a black eye from the line drive off his head. He left the game under his own power.

http://gregsconnecticutdefenders.blogspot.com
adopted parent of Bond, Brock Bond...

by greg8370 on Jul 29, 2009 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks – that is great news.

by flyonthewall on Jul 29, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let's hope that's all for the rest of the year.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Jul 29, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Greg

And thank god Ben’s okay.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 29, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where is my panic button?

Madison Bumgarner, LHP, Giants (Double-A Connecticut)
Tuesday’s stats: 1.2 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 0 BB, 0 K
One of the top pitching prospects in the game, Bumgarner only retired half of the batters he faced on Tuesday, got ejected in the second inning for delivering one behind a batter’s head, came close to making physical contact with not one, but two umps, and here’s the thing: that is not the bad news. The scary part is that one scout in attendance said he sat only in the upper 80s with his fastball, and that his command was erratic. It could just be the grind of a full season catching up to him, but at the same time, he hasn’t even thrown 100 innings yet this year, yet there are some whispers of him getting shut down soon.

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9309

by irwin on Jul 29, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I hate when people say “THERE ARE WHISPERS” because it’s usually just rumor-type stuff that can’t be validated.

by xanthan on Jul 29, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

sure, it is a little silly

But, it brings up one major concern with Bumgarner. Can he be successful if he loses a few mph? Generally speaking, i think that is a great question to ask about any pitching prospect because they usually seem to lose a couple mph from the minors to the majors.

by irwin on Jul 29, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

There were things going on in the game that affected his concentration. Kevin Goldstein sounded really dramatic in his delivery of the story.

ZOMG PANIC

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 29, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

hot night in MD...

maybe MadBum was just having a bad night or maybe the ump was having a bad night or a little of both…

http://gregsconnecticutdefenders.blogspot.com
adopted parent of Bond, Brock Bond...

by greg8370 on Jul 29, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m going with this

by dogdays on Jul 29, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

He let a couple of late timeout calls get to him, thrown in with a few choice words between pitcher and hitter.

Last night was also brutally humid, like walking through water. I know I’ve heard pitchers here mention how hard it can be to grip the ball when it’s like that.

He’ll just learn to adjust and move on. Disappointing, sure. Alarming, definitely not yet.

by GiantsTribe on Jul 29, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although he was already not pitching very well before any of that happened — which could have been part of his frustration as well. He was getting hit pretty hard from the first batter. Just leaving too many fastballs over the plate. I did sort of like the action on that wrinkle change thing he threw a few times, though.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

You should just repost your writeup in every single thread.

by Evan on Jul 29, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point, I think people can probably find it, fwiw.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Defenders still sticking to a six man rotation....

http://gregsconnecticutdefenders.blogspot.com
adopted parent of Bond, Brock Bond...

by greg8370 on Jul 29, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Greg, I got a question. On Brandon Crawford’s firs AB last night, Radames Liz started him with a couple of 96 MPH fastballs that Crawford was just a billion years late on, and then when Liz tried to get him out with an 89 MPH slider that didn’t do much, Crawford was all over it, slamming it for a double.

I put a little note in my book that I was impressed he maintained such good balance in his swing on the change of speeds. But through the rest of the night, the pattern kept repeating itself. He had beautiful swings consistently on pitches in the 88-90 mph range, but was way behind anything faster and way ahead of anything slower.

So my question is this, there has always been a fabled kind of hitter in baseball called a one-speed hitter, who’s always basically swinging at one speed, and destroys anything thrown in that range, but is off everything else (Reggie Sanders was one pretty good example of this type of hitter). Have you noticed that with Crawford this year?

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe he was sitting on the breaking stuff?

co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Jul 29, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

No he was hitting mostly spinning sliders and slower fastballs. True offspeed breaking balls he was way out in front of.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford

Roger,

Can’t miss the opportunity to make a comment about Crawford. Basically, he’s over rated, big time, IMO. The questions you raise about his swing are areas I haven’t really thought about, but I’m going to try to focus on them in the upcoming homestand. He does seem to be easily fooled and kept off balance. I just feel the guy isn’t that good a hitter right now. Will he get better, I can’t answer that, but I will tell you a couple of the scouts I’ve spoken to about him haven’t been impressed. And his defense is sporadic, outstanding on one play and totally stinko the next.

by thehondohurricane on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1 re: Hondo's post

http://gregsconnecticutdefenders.blogspot.com
adopted parent of Bond, Brock Bond...

by greg8370 on Jul 29, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

OMG…19 YO KID ISNT CONSITANT PITCHING TO PRO 20+ YO HITTERZ!! OMG HIS FB WASN"T SUPER FAST>>OMG HE HAS A FIRE FOR THE GAME!!!

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on Jul 29, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

OMG CAME CLOSE TO UMPS

by ryanmiles on Jul 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I basically sit next to him in the stands...

with a few empty seats between us at Dodd. He’s a quiet kid, very friendly with all the auto requests during the game. I’d chalk it up for now to just a bad night.

http://gregsconnecticutdefenders.blogspot.com
adopted parent of Bond, Brock Bond...

by greg8370 on Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

in summary, dude is 19/20. BFD, I was far from focused when I was 19/20/21/22/23/24….to infinity and beyond…I like the fire he has, it sounds like he is pretty intense.

Minor White > Ansel Adams

by say hey nation on Jul 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

HE’S FINE!

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Son, have you been hanging out with girls?

Or nerds? Or listening to that punk rock music?

Hrmph. Watching you.

My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Spacebat of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.

by multiphasic on Jul 29, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s sad that a year and a half of great pitching and being widely considered the top pitching prospect in the minors can get thrown out the window after 1.2 poor innings. Think about that

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t not believe

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Jul 29, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wendell you realize he’s fairley worthless?

Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Jul 29, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fairley moved up in order

Wendell has been hitting so well (in comparison) in July that he was actually hitting in the #2 spot in the order last night. He had been hitting at the bottom (usually #8). Too soon to read anything into it, but let’s hope that he’s turned a corner and reached a new level of competency without future backsliding.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

BEAST MAN aka CHRIS DOMINGUEZ

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 29, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Bumgarner put us in bad shape by being ejected so early in the game. Props to Castro for coming in to pitch when we had no one else. What a gamer. Now we have Alderson for today.

by flyonthewall on Jul 29, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

WOW CHRIS DOMINGUEZ IS GOING TO CONNECTICUT????

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 29, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Link fail?

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

DOMINGUEZ SKIPPING TWO LEVELS SAYS INTERNET SITE

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McCC = McClain Chronicles
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 29, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

It was a joke because in a subthread about Dominguez, flyonthewall responded with something about the AA team (likely just a reply mistake).

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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fell in the chasm. I thought it was a joke, but then rotoreuter had that weird link in his post. Fooled me.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Heston: “Get your stinkin’ bats off me, you damned, dirty apes!”

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jul 29, 2009 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Notes from Fresno

Kevin pitched a typical Kevin game – 6.2 innings, 3 runs; not dominating anyone, just keeping it around the plate – the umpire was not giving many inside strikes and I think it was frustrating Kevin a bit. He gave up a ground rule double to former Grizz Dan Ortmeier in the second, then a sac fly and then a single to Sal Fasano, who is almost old enough to be Gerald’s papa. He then got the final two outs to escape any more damage. In the fifth, following a double by Eric Young, Jr. and a sac bunt he was able to get the final two outs without surrendering a run. In the seventh he struck out Mark Bellhorn but gave up an RBI single after the ump blew a strike three call to the previous batter, which would have ended the inning. All-in-all a credible job, not overpowering, but serviceable, which is what I believe he will be as a 5th starter in the Bigs when he gets there.

Edlefsen was impressive – he appeared to throw a bit harder than Kevin, although there is no stadium radar gun information shown on any scoreboard. He pitches out of the stretch, even with no runners on, and really pushes off toward home plate when he throws.

I noticed a lack of patience with several Grizz batters – big surprise. In the first two innings Eaton went to three ball counts on four different hitters and Bowker, Borchard and Rollinger each swung at what I thought would have been ball four, with Bowker and Borchard flying out and Rolinger striking out. However, in their defense, the umpire did not appear to be that consistent in his calls and when Bowker took what IMO was ball four in the sixth with two men on from Damian Moss, the umpire called it strike three. In the ninth, Gerald had a 2 & 2 count and then took two close pitches to earn a walk, with preceded Borchard’s game winning walk off homerun.

by APGiantsFan on Jul 29, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Edlefsen looked excellent last night. I was really meh on him as a prospect until this year, when I saw him in San Jose earlier in the year. I talked to him before the game and will have an interview piece up on SF Dugout next week about his conversion to pitcher and how he feels about his 2009 season.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 29, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

O'Toole?

Apparently we’ve signed a new minor league FA and he’s starting in S-K already. It’s amazing that Jeremy O’Toole has such similar physical characteristics as Jeremy Toole – the pitcher we drafted in the 10th round out of BYU in June. LOL – you must have watched the movie “Lawrence of Arabia” last night.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

lol I thought they were the same guy

I had the cold from hell the week of the draft and was drugged within an inch of my life. I can’t remember half the things I wrote about the draft picks.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tonight is "Toe The Rubber Night " for the Connecticut Defenders. In a game Tim Alderson was to start for the Defenders, OF Robert Felmy and C Tyler LaTorre have pitched..

by wilriv21 on Jul 29, 2009 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Two crazy games for the Defenders – last night and now tonight.

by flyonthewall on Jul 29, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Mike Mooney did a pretty good pitching – now it’s Adam Witter’s turn.

by flyonthewall on Jul 29, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Seems kinda shitty what they did to Broshuis, making him come back on two nights rest. Not sure I see what the harm would have been in just pitching English on 4 days rest until they could get somebody there for Thursday night’s game.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jul 29, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surreal

Another unbelievable game. When Felmy was warming up with 1 out in the first, I expected Bowie to score 15-20 runs. They only gave up 6, and only 2 runs after Broshius left. Kind of hard to have a bullpen game when you don’t have a bullpen anymore.

I suppose they wanted to keep the semi-prospect on normal rest for the morning game tomorrow.

They each did better than Bumgarner did, which will never, ever be the case again. At least I hope not.

by GiantsTribe on Jul 29, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

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