WGRK: All Garko, All the Time
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 28, 2009 12:42 AM PDT
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PrintYou're trying to trick me. Trap me. Get me to say something on the record. Oh, I'm familiar with this blogging stuff. If opinions aren't instant, you might as be diddling telegraph wires. But you're not going to get me this time.
I don't know if I like this Scott Barnes for Ryan Garko trade. And you can't force me to have an opinion right now.
The cold, cold numbers seem to think that Garko is a marginal upgrade. For as bad as Ishikawa has been with the bat, the difference between the two first basemen might only be a win over the next two months.
But that's just the average estimate of his worth. Maybe he confines his 0-for-5 nights to games in which Giants pitchers throw complete game shutouts. Maybe he goes 3-for-4 in every one-run win the Giants have from now until the end of the season. If that's the case -- if he's the Brian Johnson of aught-nine -- I'm in. I love the trade.
The cold, cold numbers don't give Scott Barnes much of a chance. As a pitching prospect, he's like a wee turtle, fighting with thousands of flippered youngsters all trying to reach the sea at the same time. He might take his shiny K/9 straight to the majors, develop a killer changeup, and he might be the next Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, or Ted Lilly. He might give the Indians four to six really effective seasons. He might give the Indians a future ace. If that's the case -- if he's like a healthy Francisco Liriano -- I'm out. I hate the trade.
The odds say that Garko isn't going to propel the Giants into the playoffs. And those pesky odds say that Barnes the wee turtle will be eaten by a heron before he reaches the sea. And by "heron", I mean "rotator cuff." Well, he isn't going to be eaten by a rotator cuff, but you get the point. So in five years, we'll look back at this trade and say, "meh." We might have a brief relapse into Accardonitis -- aggggaarrrrr!11 i can't believe we traded that talented young pitcher for thsi stifffffff!! -- but the odds are that no one will win the trade.
But I reserve the right to complain or laud the deal with the benefit of hindsight. The two things that I like about the deal right off the bat:
1. Garko's under control for three more years. When the good folks at FanGraphs write something like this:
The Giants will pitch this as more-than-a-rental, but finding a RH first baseman who can hit a little bit isn't that difficult
...I say, ha. Ha. Finding a first baseman who can hit a little bit -- left-handed, right-handed, or ambidexterous -- is the hardest task in professional sports. It's like finding a punter who can yodel Shakesperean sonnets in 23/8 time. I'm a Giants fan; I know of what I speak. I have watched Lance Niekros and Damon Minors and Todd Benzingers and Steve Scarsones and Desi Wilsons and Travis Ishikawas. The Giants have Ryan Garko for the next couple of seasons. He should be okay. That okay tastes like buttery abalone.
2. It fits with my preferred method of attack -- get modest upgrades at two or three positions instead of going for broke on one guy like Matt Holliday. Pick up a Garko and __, keep the top five prospects intact, and relegate some of the worst offensive offenders to the bench.
Hey, if we get Uggla or Sanchez, we'll have another head start on a perfectly mediocre offense next season. I'm just sayin'....
I'm not sold on the deal yet. But I'm not not sold on the deal yet. I have a soft spot for left-handed pitchers who strike out a ton of hitters with good control and good stuff in a league in which they're age appropriate. They're pretty neat, and I had Barnes rated pretty high on my personal prospect list. But if the Giants can cobble together a I Can't Believe It's Not An Offense imitation offense over the next couple of months, as well as next season, I'll be thrilled.
Just don't ask for an opinion right now. I'm fresh out.
Also of note: It was interesting to be in Zeke's with a bunch of Giants nerds when the trade went down. It was like the beginning of Crimson Tide, when Denzel Washington and Viggo Mortensen's pagers went off at the same time at a kid's birthday party.
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There’s really nothing to worry about, guys.
Sabes says that he hits three-run homers. Who doesn’t love a 3 run homer??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Here’s a video of him clearing the bases and hurting his leg. D:
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5107103&c_id=sf
Judgment Day is coming
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three run homer
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5107103&c_id=sf
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Next to the pissed off M’s fan, that young chick looked like she had stolen somebody’s wallet and thought she was slyly getting away with it but thanks to Garko, she was caught on TV!
Your move Travis.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jul 28, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
there can only be one pablo!
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
that’s right: PABLO CRUISE!!!!
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't know a good thing when you got it in your hands
/looks down at what’s in hands
/decides maybe it isn’t the root of all evil
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Assuming this isn’t the only deal that gets done, I’m liking it so far.
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same way I feel. Don’t give us only Ryan Garko and tell me we’re going to win the wc. But if it’s the first of two or three upgrades, then it’s a good start.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We were joking that as soon as the Garko trade was announced, Natto texted his Photoshopping minions and had them immediately get to work on a series of 15-20 altered Donnie Darko screen shots.
"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."
Frank was here. Went to get BEER
If Frank shows up I’m outta here.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 28, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Sabean did say another trade could be coming very soon so we’ll see if Sanchez switches uniform tomorrow.
Or Kennedy
Or Scutaro
I have no clue.
Willingham or Sanchez plz
I could also see him making a third trade for a SP. It sounds like it’s going to be another month or so before we see Randy Johnson.
Willingham in one deal
Sanchez and IAN SNELL in the other
MAKE IT HAPPEN
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
this
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants trade for Sanchez, I wouldn’t expect it to happen until after Wednesday’s game so the Giants can’t put him in the lineup vs. the Bucs.
If they are going to trade for Sanchez, I hope for Sanchez’ sake they trade for him before he gets on a plane back to Pittsburgh. ’Cuz that would really suck to fly all the way back to the east coast and then have to immediately turn around and get back on a plane!!
Wouldn’t he have to pack at least some of his stuff? Wait, I forgot he’s a professional athlete — he’ll have a couple mistresses do it for him, along with the traveling secretary.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
the latest on Sanchez is that the Giants are backing off because they want the Pirates to chip in on some of that 8 million for next year. Supposedly every other team interested in Sanchez wants the same thing, so it’s not dead yet. I read the Pirates are willing to do this if it means better prospects
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by rxmeister on Jul 28, 2009 9:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We were talking about that last night.
Does someone from the team meet these guys at the airport? Does he just hope to find a hotel? Luckily Garko knows the area since he went to Stanford and all, but what if you don’t know the area?
Who wraps things up for them in their old city? And when? Wife? Mother? Agent?
Do the Giants offer “relocation services” ?
Stupid I know, but it was late and I was tired and it was still too hot outside to go to sleep… the mind wanders….
GINTS BRASS gives him three nights at the Quality Inn in San Mateo.
by deacon blues on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Worked for a baseball team..they clubbies package all their clubhouse stuff and ship it to the new city..And a representative (PR guy usually) gets them to the stadium..The traveling secretary sets up where they stay..Teams usually have a bunch of rooms on hold near the stadium where guys who get called up for AAA stay..Unless you’re Mark Teixeira who stayed in Boras guesthouse when he got traded to the Angels
by DFAAurillia on Jul 28, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great stuff to know. Puts a human face on what they go through because of a trade.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 31, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too
If the next deal brings a second baseman, for which almost any mouthbreather will be an upgrade, the team is better.
Unfortunately, these things did not happen in April, before half the season went by.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
And yet we’re still in contention.
Lucky us.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
And with less luck
and more runs the contention might be for the division flag and not to catch the Purple Sox
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 28, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
(Breathing laboriously through mouth)
I have a new glove…
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL total mouth-breather
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well played.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 31, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
nice
Garko has been my quasi-white whale since the beginning of the season
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quasi-racist.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 28, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Now listen, you queer. Stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in you goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Buckley v. Gore!
I’m actually not sure who would have won that dustup, as Gore Vidal was in the Navy and Buckley was in the Yale. Hmm. Too bad we never found out.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Well done
Can’t say I was expecting anyone to catch that reference.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
around here?
If there’s a reference to be caught, eventually someone catches it.
/insert obligatory [Giant’s player] couldn’t catch a cold joke
You must be new.
Welcome.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 28, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed. Shriver: The Crypt Keeper
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
my only issue
How come the Red Sox, for example, can get a very similar player in Adam Laroche for 2 nobodys, but Sabean has to give up a top 10 prospect whenever he makes a trade? This guy HAS to be the worst negotiator ever.
LaRoche is a free agent after the year. That’s a big difference.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
LaRoche makes 8 MIllion and is a free agent. Garko makes 400K and is first year arbitration eligible.
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 28, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s a huge reason why Garko costs more. Also, the Red Sox didn’t give up nobodies although they certainly weren’t great prospects & aren’t as good as Barnes. It’s easy to become over familiar with your own prospects & glorify them, whilst looking at other teams prospects & calling them nobodies. I know i can certainly be guilty of that sometimes when looking at lower prospects.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
In my eyes, every prospect outside of the Giants organization is a nobody. Every time I hear that the Phillies are unwilling to give up Drabek and Happ, I think, “come on now, they’re not exactly Madbum and Alderson”
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 28, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Drabek is like Barnes and Happ I see is somewhere between Sanchez and Cain.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
Drabek is better than Barnes, he has number 2 starter potential, however Happ is more of a back of the rotation starter
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by TexasRanger on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Drabek’s well know makeup problems would scare me if I were giving up the best pitcher on the planet.
You are NOT going out to the mound looking like that, young man!!!
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by EliminateMe on Jul 28, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
YOU DONT OWN ME. I DO WHAT I WANT!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 28, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
reply fail
Halladay is not the best pitcher on the planet
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Barnes isn't top 10 i dont think
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Also blame it on the Red Sox. I do. I blame everything on them.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 28, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The photo, I can’t tell if he’s Matt Dylan or a little Popeye or Dirty Harry with Bengie Molina’s body or what.
It does have a little Bengie about it.
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by cybermaldonado on Jul 28, 2009 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because the Giants traded him:
Barnes is almost automatic to be a stud-major-league pitcher.
Other than that…
I prefer to like the trade as long as Garko is halfway a little bit okay (the Sabean revolution of lowered expectations is working).
Sorry, but I am still steamed Sabean took so many years to do anything about about the corner infield spots especially after letting a very inexpensive Feliz go and replacing him with basically nothing. We could still have Pedro at third and Sandoval at first and I’m sure it’s just me (again) I don’t see much difference, except a lot of of BS and lost prospects and time.
Do not meddle in the affairs of GM's, for they are subtle and quick to anger.
didn't you read Grant's post?
Clod 1Bs that can sock dingerzz are impossible to find even with the most advanced detection equipment
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 28, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Foppert!
Go Grays!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 28, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If this turns out to be Sabean's big move
Then it’s a pretty poor job of setting the team up for a run this season.
As noted, Garko’s not a tremendous upgrade over Ishikawa. The only way to make this trade really work as a stretch run deal would have been pulling the trigger 6-8 weeks ago. This is a not saying that I knew Garko was available then, just that doing so would have been the only way to make this minor of an acquisition actually matter (and, in general, I’ve been angered by the ridiculous argument that the team shouldn’t be pressured to move before the last minute).
As for the long term impact, meh. Unless Garko has really permenantly improved beyond his career numbers, the Giants probably could have done about as well on the FA market with his arbitration awards.
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Trading Partners Want Too Much For Early Trades Since There Is No Reason To Lower Their Price Early.
The nature of the trade deadline requires that one wait it out to get the best price.
by giantsrainman on Jul 28, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Normailly, you might be right.
This season, however, there were trades made early and often without an obvious premium.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Also.
If the Giants had gotten Garko 8 weeks ago, they’d have essentially doubled the value they’d get out of him in 2009. The price may have been higher, but so would the value. Obviously, that argument works best for rentals, where pulling the trigger in early June could literally double the number of regular season games you get out of your acquisition.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
So You Would Have Prefered To Trade Alderson In June Instead Of Waiting For The Price To Drop to Barnes?
by giantsrainman on Jul 28, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Garko would never have been worth Alderson and it’s laughable that you suggest this.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
I hate to speak for him, but I think GRM is saying that Alderson would have been the asking price a month or so ago b/c there was less pressure to make a deal. by waiting until closer to the D/L the Indians got more realistic (even though they still got a sweet deal).
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
A month ago is when Garko started his hot streak to get him up to where he is today. He had a .756 OPS on June 25th. I doubt Alderson would have even been dreamed of by Cleveland.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
do you really think a player’s worth goes up and down with whatever streak he happens to be on? It’s more about career totals, and what your scouts think, not weather he’s hot or not. If that were the case, the Giants’ could’ve traded Mike Benjamin for anyother player on the planet for a two week period once upon a time.
Yes, it certainly can.
It depends on the strength of the streak, obviously, but teams looking for help in 2009 are certainly going to heavily weigh the player’s performance this season. If the player had a particularly good or bad month, it would definitely change his trade value.
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Of course it has to do with more than hot streaks, that wasn’t my point at all.
Anyways, I wonder what people here would have thought a month ago if we had traded Barnes for a defensively challenged 1B with a .756 OPS. It’s funny how a hot streak does color peoples perceptions dramatically.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
I dunno, if he can do 115-118 OPS+ for what sounds like about ~$2.5 mil next year, I’ll take it.
Low standards, I know, but what can you do?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Hence the "permenetantly improved beyond his career numbers" part.
He’s sitting on a 109 OPS+ career.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
At the moment though
his career (not counting an 0-1 in 2005) is 113, 117, 97, 114. I dunno, Three of four years in the 115 range makes me feel like that’s a reasonable thing to expect.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Check splits
He’s a lefty-masher who benefits greatly from a platoon right?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 28, 2009 9:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He has a 115 sOPS+ against righties this year (91 career though).
I dunno, I’m still not that happy about giving up Barnes but thinking Ishikawa is useful requires a lot of suspension of disbelief (91 OPS+ with a .340 BABIP, +20 UZR/150, etc.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I'd really think Ishikawa is a world beater or anything.
I just think we’ve locked ourselves into a mediocre player at a big offensive position. Te team should be able to do better at 1B.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Check out the table a little bit down the page. Wow
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290727126
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Per Fangraphs, his changeup has been worth over 5 runs per 100 pitches, which is ridiculous and far and away the best pitch in the majors.
(Well, Braden Looper and Kenshin Kawakami’s are bit higher but they only throws it 0.1% and 0.7% of the time respectively, so they don’t count.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Not to sound like a n00b, but what does that mean?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
good explanation on it here
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“I think he was joking,” Lincecum said with a grin. “Although I don’t understand why he gave me a candy corn.”
Watch out San... oh, wait, Sadowski... uhh... [fifth starter], uncle Pucetas is comin' for you.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
“The candy corn. It’s got flaxseed oil in it, Tim. It’s good for you. Trust me!”
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
“Tim, can I inject you in the butt. No steroids in the cream, I promise.”
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
"That's a real cute pitcher's costume kid..."
“Damn I didn’t realize it was Halloween already, have this”
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This guy is a good player
I’m thinking the move to the NL West might help his numbers slightly….if he can pick up his numbers a bit to the 2007 level he would be a big boost.
The guy grew up in the midwest, went to college at Stanford and then got doomed to Cleveland. I’m sure he’s jumping for joy he can live in the Bay Area. Man I miss living out there! I’m back in stinking NY
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 28, 2009 5:39 AM PDT reply actions
The heart of rock and roll’s still beatin’….in Cleaveland….
by paboperfecto on Jul 28, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the move.
With so many obvious holes (the whole INF sans 3rd base) and this makes more sense. Let Garko stomp around 1st base with his OBP friendly RHB behind Panda for the next couple seasons. Scott Barnes is not pivotal to the Giants plans so this is a classic swapping surplus between teams.
Now about Garko’s glove and Renteria’s arm…. Are we looking at the wrong MI position for a new comer?
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
"Scott Barnes is not pivotal to the Giants plans"
That’s the best point that can be made.
He wasn’t as likely to make it on the Giants’ major league team (atleast not as a starter).
With Bumgarner, Lincecum, Alderson, Cain, Zito and Sanchez all being regulars these next 3 seasons.. The only way that these guys won’t be regulars is if there’s an injury (which the Giants have plenty of capable spot-starters), or if they’re traded (which is either incredibly stupid, or impossible).
If a freak injury happens, the Giants have the money to invest in a decent pitcher… Hopefully no Matt Morris or Bret Tomko… But possibly an okay guy.
I’m honestly not concerned with losing Barnes. Just like I wouldn’t be concerned with losing Guzman because he was likely never to have a legitimate shot on this Giants team.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 28, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the argument is that trading Barnes was a mistake, it’s just that as a top-10 prospect in our system we should have gotten more than a platooning league average hitter in return.
Wow
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
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Thanks to roger
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Maybe he is streaming a station from cleveland
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by say hey nation on Jul 28, 2009 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions
nicely done
and the perfect nickname.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I laughed.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 28, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
My opinion can be best described as:
“Meh”
Not a big upgrade over Ishikawa if you factor in defense. My only hope is that this means LOLRLYA is gone.
We now have 5 guys who can play 1B on this team:
Garko
Ishikawa
LOLRLYA
Guzman
Pablo
Obviously, someone is being sent elsewhere or given their walking papers.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 28, 2009 6:25 AM PDT reply actions
BUT CHARLEI MANUEL WONZ WS AND HAZ 5 1B ON AS TEAM!!!!!!!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 28, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Sabean last five first basemen caught, what was it, appendicitis?
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by The Gene Hackman on Jul 28, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
As a single trade, this might not be totally worth it
But if it’s a part of a 2-3 player offensive upgrade, I like that we’re trying.
For instance, if we go get Willingham and Sanchez, I will explode with happiness (depending on the price, of course).
Yes
It seems to me we are 2 more peices short, not just one. Willingham and Sanchez would be the ideal two more I guess.
willingham has been fantastic
and he just hit two grand slams. Would have to overpay for him, the Nats stole him from Florida
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 28, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Talks with the Pirates at an impass over 4 million dollars
http://insidepittsburghsports.com/story/the-latest-pirates-trade-deadline-buzz/15026/
4 Million dollars stand between the Giants and Freddy sanchez.
no friggen way
alderson for Victor Martinez yes
Alderson is going to be an above average pitcher. He’s overshadowed by Bumgarner. What if he becomes Matt Cain of two years ago?
by GobbleforCyoung on Jul 28, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Sir / ma’am, you are committing an offense called overvaluing.
/hurumph
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d be surprised if they gave up Alderson just days after giving up Barnes, anyway. That would be a serious hit to our minor league starting depth.
If either Willingham or Sanchez is coming our way, I hope Sabes can get it done for anyone other than our top 5 prospects.
by The Double Deuce on Jul 28, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
/ stampepd agreed.
A 31 year old with an iffy back is what they are selling. If they think that gets them top drawer pitching someone needs to lay off the paint fumes for a bit.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems slightly strange that it’s money that seems to be holding up the deal as opposed to the talent in the trade. I’m not too concerned with taking on his salary (which isn’t particularly shocking) but am more concerned with what prospects we have to give up. It’s probably more of a negotiating impasse where we’re trying to lower the cost of the trade either financially or in terms of players.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
Some of the stuff I've been reading
Says that the pirates might have to pick up some of the salary in order to trade him.
Maybe if we’re willing to take more of the salary on ourselves, the price in prospects will be lower.
More of this
My guess is the Giants have said this is the best you are getting back in talent and you need to cover X amount to do it. The Pirates are probably not happy with the current ceiling in talent the Giants’ are willing to part with. So the waltz continues.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh good grief
It’s $4 million. That’s less than what you paid Dave Roberts. Your payroll stands at way lower than normal. Just friggin do it!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the issue is less the 4 million and more including Jonathan Sanchez in the deal. The Giants rotation is threadbare at the moment. No way they deal Jonathan Sanchez right now.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 28, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
If they traded Sanchez, they’d have to get Snell or similar back.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
HE’S DREAMY
17 STRIKEOUTS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Snells funny to me
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
SNELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
IF YOU SNELLELELELELELELELELELELEL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKING
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
We could watch on Snellevision.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 28, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
TIS A SNELLY SNELL
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
^ See, clearly he was meant to be a Giant.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
See F. Sanchez doesn’t have enough veteran savvy to be worth the extra four mil.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 28, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
That seems more like an NBA-related fund raising tactic.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe this is the hold-up in the Lamar Odom deal…it’s a matter of LA picking up his $400,000/month pot brownie bill
by Giant Homer on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s like the NBA version of Kevin Brown’s chartered plane
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d buy one
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by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t gimme no bammer weed we don’t smoke dat shit in the SFC
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by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s a blue Dodger on my shoulder, can I kill it?
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
YEEEEEEEAHHHH
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by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
"You know what he said"
“Tree fity”
“God damn it woman, Im tellin the story! He said tree fity”
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
FIGURE SOMETHING OUT DAMMIT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Willingham would be a really nice fit. He’d bring average, power and the ability to hit two grand slams in one game, which we all know the Giants sorely lack
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 28, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Grand slams for some...
Tiny American flags for others!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yay!!!!
and it’s “Tiny American flags for everyone!”
by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
No it isn’t.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Upon further research
You are right.
This is not the last you have seen of me!
/smoke bomb
by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants would have to load the bases twice in one game for that to happen. Not likely.
by The Double Deuce on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
This
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
if the Pirates are basically seeking salary relief for Sanchez, then no way should they get even a top 20 prospect. They can an older Sally pitcher and Wendell Fairley, but that’s it.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
i don’t know if they can an older Sally pitcher, but it would be interesting to watch them try.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
I ACCIDENTALLY A WHOLE OLDER SALLY PITCHER
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Prince Fielder in a can?
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
that's a big can opener
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 28, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
der
*can have
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't get it
Wasn’t the main reason why we didn’t go after Manny Ramirez in the offseason was so we can have some flexibility to take on salary at the trade deadline? At least that’s what they were selling every time they’d do any type of interview.
Reasons we might not have gone for Manny Ramirez:
-He has a lead glove. Opposite of a gold glove.
-He has a ridiculous contract.
-He has cancer of the clubhouse. (Which apparently matters to us)
-We didn’t really think we were this good at the beginning of the season.
-We can see the future and we knew if Manny was caught with PEDs playing for the Giants, we’d never live it down.
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
obviously I know all of that
but the biggest point they(Baer, Nukeom and Sabean) kept trying to sell to us was that they wanted to have the ability to take on salary for a mid season acquisition. If they can’t take on 4M for Freddy Sanchez, then what they hell were they talking about?
Well I think they are in the middle of negotiations...
If we make it seem like it would be hard for us to take on extra salary, we would give less prospects if we relent and to take on the salary.
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
Yeah
I feel like the Giants might be able to get Sanchez for really cheap prospect-wise if we were just willing to take on a bit of payroll for him.
After all, Garko is hella cheap.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
it’s really about next year’s salary, which will be about $8M. The best reason to trade Sanchez is to dump his salary. If that’s the case, they shouldn’t expect much in return for him. If they want something valuable in return, they need to pony up, which kinda defeats the purpose. Anyway, the Giants will have plenty of room next year to pay Sanchez (losing, at least, Dave Roberts and Noah Lowry’s anchors.)
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
also
Winn(9M), Molina(7M), Howry(3M) and Johnson(8M) are all coming off the books, so we should have plenty of room to take on salary for next year. It’s not like theres a great FA market out there to save up for either.
Dear Lord
Imagine the grizzled veterans that Sabean will sign with all that money.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I’m guessing he’ll sign Winn, Molina, Howry and Johnson.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Music to my ears!
Hey, if we get Uggla or Sanchez, we’ll have another head start on a perfectly mediocre offense next season. I’m just sayin’….
Wow…mediocre…that sounds incredible at this point!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
A mediocre offense would definately curb the amount of alcohol I need to get through a game these days, thus saving my liver. Therfore I support it.
by CrispinGloversBalls on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
but if the Giants have a mediocre offense it will lead to more wins and thus more celebratory after the game drinking…
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but instead of a depressed enraged drunk, I would be a happy drunk with no pants on dancing around my apartment.
by CrispinGloversBalls on Jul 28, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be a happy drunk with no pants on dancing around my apartment.
I call this: Tuesday.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 28, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Missed Connections
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
mediocre offense?
/swoons.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Also of note: It was interesting to be in Zeke’s with a bunch of Giants nerds when the trade went down. It was like the beginning of Crimson Tide, when Denzel Washington and Viggo Mortensen’s pagers went off at the same time at a kid’s birthday party.
“I’m going to assume it’s for Bumgarner, Alderson, and Posey until I hear otherwise,” was my take.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I like this trade...
because it’s low risk. As long as the Giants don’t wage the future on this coming October, I am thrilled.
Brian Sabean is akin to a treatable form of cancer... just get rid of it before it kills you
Checked out one Indians team blog and all the comments were in favor of the trade – no one was sorry to see Garko go. Garko has been on a bit of a hot streak lately and last year his second half was much better. Something might also be said for playing for a team that wants you as opposed to a team that is trying to unload you. Let us hope Garko turns it on like Randy Winn turned it on after the Giants traded for him – that second half was the very best Winn has played in a Giants’ uniform.
Someone tell that to Ishi!!!!
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by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s just a fine example of that good old-fashioned midwest homespun humor, i guess.
by satyricrash on Jul 28, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Right down to the font choice.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Crochet that onto a sofa pillow
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by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m more okay with the trade that I was when I initially heard about it at the Mays statue: I think my reaction was “I’m going to kill myself.” I’m still not happy that my interview subject is gone. I lost two interviews in one day! Fuck the Giants!
I guess the next factors will be who gets bumped from the 40-man and who gets to start at 1B. Our MCC compatriots figured that Guzman will probably go back to Fresno soon with the arrival of Garko. I just hope it’s before the game Wednesday so I can get my ding dang interview. Basically, I want to see Garko starting. If we gave up a top ten prospect for some platooning jerk then I’ll be forced to commit jihad.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 28, 2009 9:08 AM PDT reply actions
We've been asking for a bat
And Sabes delivered. Maybe not the blockbuster we were expecting, but Garko has some pop. I just hope he’s and everyday player that can continue to be consistent. Goodluck Garko. Nice to know ya Barnes, best of luck.
S-O-D-A
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
baby not included
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 28, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
there are ways around that
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The other naming options for this contraption:
SIDS 3000
Lil’ Suffocator
Cowboys Stadi-tent
Place to throw baby’s toys
Richard Graco
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that grady sizemore in that thing?
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's Go Tribe's Take
Here’s what they’re saying at Cleveland’s SBNation blog. Sounds pretty much like it does here; home fans trying to talk themselves into believing they got the better half of the deal. I think both teams got what they wanted and neither player will be a huge difference maker on their respective teams, but each will provide something that their new team lacks. We shall see, McCoven. We shall see.
They say you're a pitcher; you sure aren't much of a dresser.
GOING TO OTHER BLOGS IS HARD
I dont get their jokes.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I heard the sound of crickets when I referenced ‘XXXHOT BOTHAN ACTIONXXX’
Proud parent of Frederick Charles Merkle.
That wasn't silence-- they were all excitedly Googling for it.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 28, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Dream Rosters at end of trading?
CF Rowand
LF Winn
3B Sandoval
RF Willingham
2B Sanchez
1B Garko
C Molina
SS Renteria
P -
When Rowand is out, put Winn in CF, Willingham in LF, and Schierholtz in right.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Gotta put him somewhere. I’d be open to left.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Because Nate is starting there that day?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
You got some messed up dreams.
i would change this, to start
CF Rios
SS- Not Renteria
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 28, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
People I'd rather see play SS for the Giants:
Uribe
Frandsen
Velez (comedic reasons)
Grant (non-comedic reasons)
Carrie Fischer (just to see her OUTRAGEOUS hair)
she plays shortstop
not because she needs too
SIgn Many Bats!
by ringleader3 on Jul 28, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
and then passes out
oh wait, thats Edgar Renteria
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 28, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
riosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosriosrios
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabez already said this morning that Garko would hit 5th, 6th or 7th. Molina will hit ahead of him in the order regardless of any other possible acquisitions.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
We would be alot deeper..... with a much better bench
LF Winn
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
C Molina
1B Garko
CF Rowand
RF Schierholtz
SS Renteria
Bench… Uribe, Ishi, Willingham (starts vs Lefties), Flew/Torres, Whitesides
He wears number 25!
I wonder what he’ll switch to. I can’t see them allowing him to keep wearing it. I imagine 25 is unofficially retired for the time being…
by The Double Deuce on Jul 28, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions
69!
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m scared and really repulsed at the same time.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Who becomes fifth starter when Johnson isn’t ready for next start?
by silentearth6 on Jul 28, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s gotta be Aurilia. Aurilia is now a functionless vestige like nipples on a man.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
My nipples get me out of speeding tickets.
by The Double Deuce on Jul 28, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Burriss to the 60 Day DL, no one DFA’d for now.
Does anyone know if you can DFA a player on the DL? Would Aurilia have to be activated then DFA’d?
completely forgot about Burriss’ situation
by silentearth6 on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how much longer they can avoid the DFA of Aurilia with Garko arriving as he makes no sense on the roster any more (not that he’s made sense for a while) Presumably they aren’t going to keep him, Ishikawa & Garko on the roster or stash him on the DL all year.
That said i’d imagine Burriss to the 60 day DL will be the move they make initially.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
Don't know if it's been posted
Baseball America’s analysis, very favorable to Giants
Garko hits lefthanders hard (.906 career OPS in 428 plate appearances) and is an everyday regular when he’s hitting righties adequately (career .768 OPS). He’s worked hard to become a solid defender but has limited range and can be a baseclogger. He’s been lauded since his college career for his work ethic, makeup and leadership qualities.
Oh god, he’s a gamer.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I’m sorry, but how can you be a fat professional athlete and be congratulated for “work ethic?”
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Cecil WAS always known for his work ethic.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Len Bias was known for his work ethic as well.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha! Cocaine’s a helluva drug!
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Good round, fellas.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
not to be a stick in the mud, but wouldn’t it be “l’dol”? You didn’t laugh out louded. Just a question.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I side more with the Spelling Socialists…
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Best. Username. EVER!!!!!!!
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Not if you’re saying it as “el-oh-el”, which I am every single time.
by satyricrash on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
INHALES EVERYTHING THROWN IN HIS DIRECTION
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Daffy Duck cartoon.... "MAKEUP!"
There’s some cartoon in which he keeps getting his face blown off, and he always yells that. Every time I see or hear “makeup” this year regarding ballplayers (which is a lot; it’s this year’s “staycation”), in my mind I hear Daffy’s yell.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 28, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
All I know is, this is the first thing I thought of when I heard about the trade.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
Ding ding ding!
We have our first photoshopped movie sheet from this trade. Collect all eleventeen!
"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."
Nah, if they aren't individually numbered I'm not interested.
Proud parent of Frederick Charles Merkle.
This just in: The A's suck
The A’s are losing again, and Billy Beane’s radical Moneyball legacy is suffering
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=4357166
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
See I can link to less than flattering things about your team also!
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
“So much for the genius … He doesn’t look so smart anymore, does he?” an American League scout sneers while looking up the paltry batting averages of the A’s hitters before a June A’s-Padres game. “Let’s see them make a movie out of that.”
What a dick. A wrong one too.
serving as proof that Moneyball is a failed strategy, especially in a climate that no longer tacitly condones performance-enhancing drugs.
so swisher cant get on base anymore??
Reading part of the Moneyball script made me lol.
by not committing to high schools, a lot of their guys have no ceiling.
college players – INFINITE POTENTIAL!
The newest, cheapest commodities are defense and athletic players drafted out of high school.
Does these dick scouts in this article ever get tired of being wrong?
Review over.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You are aware of the name of this team, aren’t you, Mister Frisbee?
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 28, 2009 9:54 AM PDT reply actions
I don’t think so. He’s posted here in the past with asinine trade ideas.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
It’s not so much asinine trade ideas (of his own) so much as it’s cut and pasting a ton of shit from other places, but yeah.. Petty & juvenile but typical.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jul 28, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I shrugged when I heard about the deal last night and I feel the same way now. I was just happy we didn’t give up Alderson MadBum Angel Posey — beyond that, you gotta give something to get something, and giving up a good-could-be-great Single A pitcher seems a fair price for a hitter who will out-OPS everyone on the team except for Panda. This is the advantage of having a relatively deep farm system for once in our lives.
"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."
He needs to help you find out where your site is
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Except you can’t fix it.
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jul 28, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Like that would ever happen.
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jul 28, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm good with this trade
I think Garko will be an improvement at frist base offensively. I like that he is relatively cheap and not a half-season-rent-a-player. Based on his phone interview last night, he also seem genuinely excited to put on a Giants uni.
As for what we gave up, I been reading this blog daily since the offseason and every trade conversation centers around not trading MadBum and Alderson and Posey etc. I am sure there were some posts, but the name Barnes very seldom has come up. The guys got great numbers in single A but, based on what many have observed in other posts, hes still got a long way to go till hes in the majors. I am ok with taking the risk that he may end up a super-stud pitcher for an upgrade offensively this season and possibly the next 2-3.
I also agree with the posts here, however, that if this is the only trade we make, we havn’t done enough to ensure we cant stay in contention. We need either 2 more bats, or 1 more bat and another SP (not counting on Johnson making it back any time soon). If somehow we could pick up Willingham and Sanchez as our bats, I would be very happy with our deadline moves.
I don't like it...
Right now, the difference between him and Ishikawa is quite marginal. He’s a better hitter for sure, but his glove is weaker and he derives most of his value from mashing LH pitching. Yes, that is useful, but our 3 and 4 hitters are already strongly skewed towards LHP.
Essentially, we are getting a guy who will be a useful upgrade in 20-25% of our games (LH SP’s) but will likely be about as effective as Ishikawa during the other 75-80% of our games.
For this, we gave up Scott barnes, who I feel is our 6th or 7th best prospect.
Just disapointing to me, I feel the difference between Ishikawa and Garko is about the difference as getting Lugo for 2B could have been. Wasn’t there some Wes Helms type (I know he’s not a good example at this stage of his career) cheap lefty masher we could just get for a platoon to achieve the same effect? I know that was supposed to be Rich Aurilia, but well, you know
Hey guys, I’ve completely lost the ability to type in URLs in my browser. Is there anyone here who could help me out by cutting and pasting every single bit of news and reaction to the Garko trade? Thanks in advance!
"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."
LOL the Crosby's family
Ed Crosby(father) – .220 hitter in six seasons
Blake Crosby – .259 hitter as a 24 year old in Rookie ball.
Bobby Crosby – .239 hitter
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
.768 OPS against RHP
great choice, and we gave up a pretty good prospect for him.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Ishikawa vs RHP
.265/.319/.423 w/ a .333 BABIP.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
btw, I’m not saying I really even like the Garko trade but Ishikawa is pretty bad.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I would tatoo Ishi’s face on my arm but even I felt (deep inside) he was just a 2-3 year stopgap for A. Pablo getting fatter, B. Anvil suddenly putting it altogether, or C. some random prospect blows us out of the water.
I know some people think Barnes is a lot to pay for mild improvement, but as it’s been said before, he was never going to have a spot in our rotation. We have to start our upgrades somewhere and Sabean did exactly what we wanted, slight upgrade w/o losing a Fab-Five. Sure his defense is spotty, but if we get a Freddie Sanchez that hole won’t be as big.
by SeeingStars on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He truly might be the last of his tribe.
Although he is getting the bump for a dude from another Tribe.
[/indian with a tear commercial]
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Hasn’t he shown some signs of improvement over the course of the season though? And he’s only 25. Also, Garko was crap last year.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
He’s had a really bizarre year, actually. But a few weeks ago, he had something like a .920 OPS since early May… now it’s down to like .830 since that time.
Monthly Splits:
April – .224/.264/.286
May – .293/.397/.379
June – .250/.283/.591
July – .294/.314/.412
seriously, I’m not sure what to make of it. It’s bizarre. First he had nothing. then he started walking but had no power. Then he stopped walking but had power. Now he’s not walking or hitting for power!
WHOOOO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
But now he’s hitting for average.
If only we could combine the May OBP, the June SLG, and the July AVG, we’d have a Frankenstein’s All-Star.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
But the question is:
Can he hit a breaking ball?!
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed, but the point being, its not much of an improvemen
and with the glove, its probably a loss. Its one thing to trade for a Nick Johnson who’s a significant marginal improvement; Garko isn’t even that.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
It’s certainly not a loss unless you actually believe Ishikawa is really +20 UZR/150.
And regardless, I do think he’s a good option to platoon. (that said, I don’t think I would have given up Barnes for a platoon player but…)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Garko
Will out-last Johnson.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
i had a wierd legit dream
we traded randy johnson back to arizona for something barnes, first name was too fuzzy
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
Chris Barnes from Cannibal Corpse
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
dunno all i kno he was white
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
Garkomel
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions
If he steps on little blue fuckers in LA, I'm okay with this.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
recced
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
er, I mean Sofa King Mike's comment
like I’d ever rec a Lars comment!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Shop some horns on that thing and it is my twin!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 28, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
+109
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 28, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Truer word were never typed.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Huge news per Asfan4ever (bless his soul):
Be sure to check out this highly informative article, explaining something that nobody already knew!
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
What would Duchscherer Cost?
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions
According to A’s fans:
Duchscherer = Posey, Bumgarner, Alderson, Villalona
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
According to AsFan4ever
Duchscherer = Bowker, Espinelli and Jesus Guzman
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
If they include Chavey, I’d give up the farm. We need reliability, damn it!
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
what
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
si, senor.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
nooooo!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Wow
Way harsh.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
grow some 5 o'clock shadow
and moon-head will start you tomorrow
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
We stole Garko from Texas
—In the late afternoon on Monday, the Rangers New York Rangers were convinced they were the front-runners to get Ryan Garko from the Indians. They were surprised when he ended up going to the Giants New York Giants instead. Texas is still trying to find a righty-hitting first baseman.
—A veteran scout on the Phillies and Halladay: “I know this cannot be a major reason why Philadelphia gives up what is necessary to get Halladay, but if I ran the Phillies somewhere in the back of my mind I would be wondering what happens if we get the Giants as the wild card in a best-of-five first round. You can end up facing (Tim) Lincecum, (Matt) Cain and (Randy) Johnson against the lefty hitters and getting bounced in three games. (Cole) Hamels is down some this year. With Halladay, you have a pitcher you know can go out and match Lincecum and let Hamels drop down to be the No. 2 starter and (Joe) Blanton to be No. 3 and so on.”
wtf new york giants appeared in copy paste
but here is the article
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/st/archives/2009/07/midday_trade_co.html
Check out Dave Cameron
The Giants finally ended their long pursuit of a first baseman, acquiring Ryan Garko from the San Francisco Giants,
Sabean trades with himself!
San Francisco Giants traded with the San Francisco Giants for Garko already
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants are also playing the Giants tonight
Ryan Garko(notes), arriving from Cleveland for Class A pitcher Scott Barnes, is expected to join the Giants for Tuesday night’s game in San Francisco against the Giants.
"I can't hit the ball until I hit the bottle!"
by Li on Jul 28, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You should get some lessons from AsFan on how to copy and paste. Noob.
by paboperfecto on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for the constructive criticism
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks shopped.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 28, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There is now hidden code being put into web pages that will copy and paste extra stuff into your C&P attempt. This was probably a poor sports site’s auto-tagging, tagging the Rangers as the New York Hockey Rangers (Makes sense, being the Post), and then that link leaving the ‘TITLE’ part of the code as copyable.
That’s just sloppy. SFGate now has something I’ve never seen, which is kind of cool. When I did a C&P last night of one of Sabes’ quotes, it added after the quote “Want to read more, Go to: …” That’s pretty smooth. I won’t give the Chronicle a lot of props, but that is very good of them.
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 28, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This thread got good right as I left, I give credit to Asfanforever for riling everyone up
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
We’ll be back here later on when Garko goes 0-4 tonight
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, there won’t be 9 LOB if he hits behind Bengie
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone know if Garko will be in the lineup tonight?
Or even in the dugout? Also don’t we have to send someone on the 25 Man Roster down? We brought up for Guzman and Velez for Bowker and Downs, did I miss something?
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
According to Sabean’s interview this morning, Garko will probably be in the lineup, and one of either Aaron Rowand or Nate Schierholtz will hit the DL.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, really?
They’re going to keep Guzman up? We’re going to have three guys who can only play first base?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
LOL
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
dont forget the internal apple pie vs pumpkin pie debate
SIgn Many Bats!
by ringleader3 on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
and let’s not even get started on rush vs. not rush
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Guzman can be our Designated Pinch Hitter/Runner.
I’m pretty sure he can do either of those things.
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
Designated Aurilia
Keeps the bench warm, pinch hits once per week.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Can Zito play Left? Ankiel made the switch. He should play at least 3 times a week for that contract.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping Lowry would go that route
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Noah Lowry
Must improve: rib count
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping Lowry would go that route
Me too.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Incidentally
Did you run out of Ks last night? I noticed someone had to pinch-K.
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
by tk on Jul 28, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh, I'm not doing those anymore. It's whoever happens to be sitting in Arcade above them.
And I’m still pretty pissed about it, as you can see by my sig. Though I did notice that they only had 18 Ks up there, and early on I was thinking that Timmy could pass that and it would be absolutely hilarious.
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
Good to know, I was going to go over and say hi at some point when I got arcade tickets. But then I would just get some random “Whu …? McWhat?”
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
by tk on Jul 28, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The audio from the KNBR stream, here at work, was turned off immediately
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 28, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
diddling
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 28, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions
Got bored and made a useless macro...
Status: Feels so broke up. Wants to go home. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
by GiantBrass on Jul 28, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
LOL
emperor nobody: "can ben copeland play third will the mcgwire throwback jersey be sponsored by balco labs i think i am having non-nerve-damage related chest pains well there’s holliday’s homer for may"
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jul 28, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved Timmeh’s reaction the inning after this.
/don’t mess up my hole, bitches!
I know, TWSS
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 28, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
IT WASN'T THE MOUND
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Per MLBTradeRumors
1:33pm: ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark hears that the Pirates plan on dealing Freddy Sanchez and Jack Wilson this week. The Giants could be suitors for Sanchez and the Red Sox have considered Wilson in the past.
Things are getting more official. Pirates actually looking to sell.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I'm late to this...
But I like the trade, and I loved Scott Barnes. He is a future major leaguer, absolutely.
My main reasons.
• I know this is a perfect state for people who go cup half empty, but Garko’s OPS is better than any regular hitter not named Sandoval. The batting average won’t be a huge difference over Ishikawa, but the 30 points of OBP, and the nearly 50 points of slugging, will.
• At 28, he’s coming into his prime, but still can improve for the next few years.
• He balances out a group of prospects that is primarily left-handed. Think about it, for the Giants’ major hitters likely to be in the bigs the next 2 years, the only ones who are right handed are the ever-snakebit Frandsen and Posey, and Posey will be replacing one of the team’s top two right-handed hitter as it is. The Giants did need that.
• Barnes is a very good prospect, but he’s not infallible. He gives up far too many fly balls to right handed hitters; his BAA against is not an unreasonable split between RHH and LHH, but this Slugging Against would be extreme. Is he good enough to be in the Giants’ Top 5? No. I think this was good use of our pitching depth.
Garko isn’t going to save this team, obviously, but he’s a good piece. He’s a better fit than an Adam Dunn or Nick Johnson. And he did not cost a lot.
I look forward to seeing the next move coming very soon; I have expected it to be Freddy Sanchez for a couple of weeks now.
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 28, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
That is helpful, thanks Bruter
I feel a little better, but Barnes numbers and his scouting reports were both positive, and I just don’t think the marginal improvement was worth a pretty good prospect. A Willingham (who can impersonate the OF as well) perhaps, yes.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I'd disagree about the marginal improvement...
I know he’s not great against RHP, but that’s not the real point of getting the RHH. He helps keep other teams honest. For this past couple of weeks, we’ve seen teams be able to frankly shut down the Giants for an inning or so thanks to a left-handed reliever coming in for the right stretch of batters. Putting Garko in the middle of that helps keep that from being such an unquestioned domination of the that segment of the lineup.
He’ll also improve the team in the weakest part of it’s offense, which is the hitting against LHP. That has been putrid.
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 28, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I agree.
It not like the Giants’ lefties are world beaters, and Schierholtz is hitting against platoon; Winn, Lewis, and Ishikawa are really the only southpaws with troubling splits. The other team shut down our lineup because our lineup sucks, not because it’s too left-handed.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
For what its worth, Jon Heyman says on Twitter...
#giants trade talk for freddy sanchez seems pretty serious. #pirates scouring giants’ well-stocked system.
I’ve stopped believing anything Jon Heyman says. He probably had the urge to write something while pooping and updated his twitter
and how bad is it when I see Pirates Scouring the system, I think “omg pirates are gonna remove our enchantment from play and look through our deck”?
MTG?
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I used to be.
Hell I used to play in tournaments
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I like Sanchez
but id rather spend a bit more and go after Uggla. Although because the Fish are still in contention they might be asking wayyyy too much, but he is more of the improvment we need, that’s not to say that Sanchez wouldn’t be a welcome upgrade if the price is much more to our liking.
My pecking order is Uggla > Willingham > Sanchez, but the best deal is always going to be the one to pull the trigger on, but that doesn’t mean the cheapest deal is the best.
by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I thin kat a certain point any team has to listen. Problem is, if i have to overpay for Uggla i’d rather just pay for Sanchez or Willingham and count the beans i saved later.
by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh is now saying that they intend to move Sanchez and Wilson
Which probably isn’t good on their part since it likely could bring the price down a notch or 2 to get Sanchez
I read
that they are considering trading them with no contract talks until after the deadline. They are listening but seem to be doing a terrible job trying to get negotiation leverage.
by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
looks ready to play.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 28, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Guzman can play 2b. He’s logged 130 games in the minors there. If he’s as good an athlete as he’s touted, shouldn’t be THAT tough. C’mon, Downs can do it.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions
Ishikawa should take some practice at 2b. If he could play about the same quality defense there his lineup spot would be secure.
"I can't hit the ball until I hit the bottle!"
by Li on Jul 28, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re probably right. He never played 2b in the minors either.
"I can't hit the ball until I hit the bottle!"
by Li on Jul 28, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
why aren’t there more left-handed shortstops?! I play a mean shortstop on my slow-pitch softball team.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Far less strikeouts than Ishi, but just as little power. Great bat control though: can use all fields.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Loreal, so probably 4 out of 5 (not quite up to Mary Kay standards), and
I am a pretty big tool.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Guzman at 2B?
I only like it because he would be involved in fewer defensive plays there than 1B
by Giant Voodoo on Jul 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
favorite family guy episode
I like the one where brian tries to get weed legalized. everyone knew he was into the ganja
wtf?
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 28, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
New Family Guy is pretty bad
It used to be be pretty decent, but not anymore
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
how dare you sir.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It focuses mainly as Stewie being a closeted gay baby
And pop culture references that the target audience wouldnt get anyway.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
Never really liked it.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 28, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I really enjoyed episode 116: Family Gay, in which Peter is injected with the “gay gene”. Classic.
Guilllllllllltttttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.
You're F*cking Out!
by Kenny F*cking Powers on Jul 28, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
wow
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve decided that Asfan4ever723 is Billy Beane and nothing you can say can prove that it’s not true.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
LOLZ BILLY BEANE IS A LIFELESS LOSER
"I can't hit the ball until I hit the bottle!"
by Li on Jul 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
waiting for the other shoe to drop ...
Pick up a Garko and __. keep the top five prospects intact,
BS has a couple more days to bolster the lineup, until then reserving judgment …
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