Giants Acquire Ryan Garko From Indians For Scott Barnes
by Eric Simon on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 PM PDT
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PrintThe Giants have acquired first-baseman Ryan Garko from the Indians in exchange for lefty starter Scott Barnes, currently with High-A San Jose. Garko is hitting .285/.362/.464 with Cleveland with 11 homeruns and 20 walks in 273 plate appearances. He has a .361 wOBA and has been worth 1.3 WAR to this point in 2009. Garko turned 28 in January and has a ZiPS rest-of-season wOBA projection of .344. He also has the flexibility to play outfield if the Giants need him there at any point. He is making $446,000 in 2009, his last year of indentured servitude. He will be eligible for salary arbitration for the first time this offseason.
Prior to the season, John Sickels of Minor League Ball rated Barnes a C+ and pegged him as the Giants' 14th best prospect, saying he had "Good stuff, decent command."
Grant will by shortly to give his take on the deal. More comments can be found in this FanPost
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Eric Simon?
How are you a mod here?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
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Makes sense
Your site is pretty cool, btw. Not quite like this, but good nonetheless ;-)
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If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Much appreciated
We all aspire to be Grant-like, ultimately falling well short.. He has set the bar awfully high.
Also, on behalf of the McCoven, we thank you, your team, but most importantly Fernando Tatis for beating the Rockies tonight.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 27, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd love your site more if I were a Mets fan....
Your site and Mets Geek are both pretty awesome reads.
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Fixed
He has sat, awfully high, at the bar.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 27, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Slight OT: Why in the world did Fernando Martinez get called up this season?
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If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Injuries, mainly
Beltran and Pagan were hurt and the Mets wanted to give Fernanchise a shot. I suppose they could’ve called up some rusty husk from Triple-A, which wouldn’t have made much of a difference on the field but would’ve kept Martinez off the clock. Ideally they would’ve have just had better contingency plans in the outfield (and at first base and shortstop, and in the rotation), but their front office is clearly inept, so none of this can be terribly surprising.
Omar likes to rush the youngin's, doesn't he?
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Yes
The organization is generally very aggressive with its prospects. Sometimes it works (Mike Pelfrey) other times it doesn’t (Martinez, to this point).
Also, in trade related talk...
what is your sense of how the francoeur-Church swap has gone after seeing Francoeur for a few weeks?
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it was a dumb trade
but more so as a reflection of the front office’s thought process than the actual principals of the trade itself. Ryan Church is a useful if brittle player who will take a walk and is very good defensively. Jeff Francoeur still has no idea what the strike zone looks like and has long been overrated defensively because of his strong arm.
I have very low expectations of Frenchy, but without equivocation I am rooting for him to succeed here. You don’t have to draw a lot of walks to be a useful player, but you certainly have to hit for power, especially if you’re a corner outfielder. If he can hit some homeruns and a bunch of doubles he could be okay. Considering that he has been worse than a replacement player for the past year-and-a-half, I’m not especially sanguine about the prospects of him contributing meaningfully to the team.
Thanks. Most opinions I had heard killed the deal, and I was curious as to what the reaction was a few weeks later. Hopefully he does improve for you guys.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 27, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So did Grant send you a drunk text message ‘calling to the bullpen’ and asking you to post something? Or do you read all the sites every night?
A little of both
Near the trade deadline I spend a lot of time monitoring player activity because it’s important that our sites have some coverage of big(ish) events. Grant’s normally all over this stuff, but the entire McCoven staff was at the game last night so I popped in so we’d at least have something up about the deal.
Who else has worn #25 for the Giants?
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Hurry up Grant!!!
I’m dying to hear what you think!
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prediction
“I’m not mad at it, but I have teh fear with Scott Barnes.”
my cousin and i got noah lowry's autograph after he came out of a porta-potty. he was nice about it.
Lead us Grant!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 27, 2009 10:25 PM PDT reply actions
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO THINK!?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 27, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah the interweb...
there was a time not that long ago when a trade like this would be mentioned in a sentence within the “notes” at the end of the article covering the previous day’s game. Not that I’m mourning the death of newspapers…this is a lot more fun. But at a certain point, I mean….Ryan Garko for Scott Barnes.
by VidaWantsYourCar on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 PM PDT reply actions
Pros: Getting Ryan Garko – 3 arb years coming up, but he should not be too expensive. He has power. he has an ability to get on base with the walk sometimes. He’s righthanded. He plays 1b, a position of need. Defense isn’t great, but good enough and we have Travis for late innings. 1b is covered for the next couple of seasons, which allows us to address other more pressing needs.
Cons: Losing Barnes – Of course, with trades you have to give up something if you want something. He’s a good A+ pitcher. I was looking forward to watching him develop in our system. There was a chance that on a lot of teams he’d might be in AA right now. He is now probably one of the top 3-4 starters in the Cleveland system.
Overall: This is exactly the right type of trade for the Giants. The Giants used their minor league pitching depth to acquire a solid bat that fills a position of need, isn’t a rental and doesn’t bust the budget. He’s not an all-star, but with the Giants’ pitching, they don’t need 8 all star position players to win.
Future: This trade doesn’t make the Giants World Series contenders, but if the team could acquire a decent second baseman (like Freddy Sanchez) and maybe an outfielder (like Josh Willingham) we’d feel a lot more comfortable about the offense and contend for the playoffs until the end.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2009 10:53 PM PDT reply actions
I completely agree
I have been really high on Barnes, but I can’t argue with trading from a position of strength. At least Garko is under team control for a few years. Also, I hope we get sanchez, but i don’t want to empty the system for just willingham and sanchez.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 27, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t think they can DFA him while he’s on the DL, but his presence on the team as a RH bat, which is the only reason he could possibly be on this team, is no longer necessary.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 28, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Sabes not done yet
* Sabean was fairly emphatic when I asked if this trade meant that this was the end of his activity before Friday’s deadline. "I don’t expect it will be," Sabean said.
He said that the Giants have identified one minor-leaguer who "we’re willing to trade" and that two teams are currently pondering whether they’re willing to give up what the Giants want for him.
He said there are "six to eight" players the Giants could trade for by Friday.
I hate to link to Kawakami but Baggz isn’t working tonight
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/07/27/sabean-bullet-points-on-the-giants-garko-trade-theyre-not-finished/
If I had to guess I would say it’s Alderson
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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and I would agree
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 27, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
probably not
* Sabean said the Giants have "three to five" untouchables in the system, the number varying based on what might be gettable–I’d presume if Albert Pujols was available, the Giants might ponder giving up Nick Noonan in that specific case.
I think we can assume that Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey and probably Tim Alderson and Angel Villalona are on that list, with my guess being Noonan as No. 5. Just a guess.
lol does Kawakami have any sort of idea what kind of prospect Noonan is?
I really hope the Giants haven’t labeled him “untouchable except for Albert Pujols”.
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Seriously. Have to go with Neal or even Crawford before Noonan
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Old and busted: Noonan
New hotness: Neal
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I’m going to guess no since he admits he hadn’t even heard of Barnes before tonight.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The low end number of untouchables scares me, since I get the feeling the brass consider Posey/Bum/AnVil totally off limits – which would put Alderson out there, and as I’ve said elsewhere it’d take an awful, awful lot for that trade to make any sense to me. That and the Nat scouts in Connecticut, although I’d be interested to hear which games they actually were at.
On the bright side, I really do like the posturing. Basically they’ve said “Ok, here’s what we’re willing to talk about – and we’ve got 6 or 8 other options. Don’t wait too long.” It wouldn’t at all surprise me if they did in fact offer Barnes in a package for Willingham or Sanchez and the Nats and Pirates said no initially. If you’ve got someone the Giants want and they’re one of only a couple realistic landing spots (Phils for Willingham, Twins for Sanchez), it’s a nasty and effective negotiating tactic. Play hardball too long and the piece that you really want may be gone.
By the way, I’d never seen this guy but I even sent him an email complimenting on the article – he has good feel for the system. Interesting point about the lack of scouts in San Jose, even if he got Barnes (and Holliday) wrong.
This is exactly what I was thinking. The statement seems to suggest it’s someone you would actually get a decent return for just by throwing his name out there, and of all the players in the Giants’ system, Alderson is the only one I could see them doing this with.
Now, the question is, what are they looking for in return…
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by Smoke on the Water on Jul 27, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LET’S TRADE FOR ALL OF THE SIX TO EIGHT PLAYERS.
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Thats the kind of GM I want
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Downs & Bowker
Sent to Fresno. Anyone heard anything about Brock Bond being moved up?
What's getting lost in all of this
The death knell of the left-handed hitting semi-prospects.
The only one who still has any sort of chance within this organization is Bowker. This is why they sent him down. It’s no coincidence that not a single one of them were in the lineup tonight. Yes, I know that the Giants faced a lefty. But Eugenio Velez was in left field tonight. Velez. In left field.
Garko pretty much spells the end for Ishikawa. With Sabean’s comments about his disappointment in the young players and with 6-8 players being looked at by the Giants (of which, there are almost certainly outfielders included), I think it’s safe to say that at bats for Schierholtz and Lewis are going to be few.
At least Bowker has options left. So he can go back to raking against AAA pitching and hope that someday, somehow (maybe somewhere) he’ll get more than a 30 at bat try out.
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Why would schierholtz and ishi both get pushed out of the lineup with bowker at AAA? When garko plays first that doesn’t affect the outfield. I thought the team was reasonably satisfied with Nate’s playing. And I would have expected them to be sort of ok with ishikawa – his numbers don’t look horrifyingly bad on the surface, the high BABIP is scary, but I doubt they look at that very much.
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by raisingcain on Jul 27, 2009 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Part of the reasoning
includes the fact that I think that there is a pretty decent chance that the Giants are going to get an outfielder soon.
It’s highly likely that they are looking at outfielders to trade for.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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I smell a platoon
Ishikawa’s glove is nice and, while he can’t hit righties like a 1B should, at least he doesn’t hit like Neifi Perez when his Adderall prescriptions run dry.
I think it’s a bit premature to say that at the moment. Obviously Ishikawa’s chances are much reduced, but it sounds like they haven’t given up on him & that he’s still going to get some chances. Although it wouldn’t be the end of the world if it was death knell for him as he hasn’t shown that he’s a long term answer.
Schierholtz & Lewis we sitting because if was a lefthander (and we know how much Bochy loves his matchups) and i’d expect them (especially Schierholtz) to get decent at bats going forward. Of course that could change were we to add an outfielder in the next couple of days but until then they’ve still got a part to play.
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Schierholtz was sitting because he got a little hurt making that catch in Atlanta and he needs a little time.
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Of course that could change were we to add an outfielder in the next couple of days but until then they’ve still got a part to play
This is included as part of my reasoning. I think it likely that the Giants are targeting outfielders (along with 2nd base).
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Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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Hopefully this is what it looks like in a week:
Lewis LF
Sanchez 2B
Pablo 3B
Garko 1B
Rowand CF
Schierholtz RF
Molina C
Renteria SS
by kingofthacove on Jul 28, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
This is perfect except...
…I would replace Renteria with Uribe.
by RaymondStoneMedia.com on Jul 28, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
i say for tmw
Rowand
Winn
Garko
Pablo
Nate
Molina
Renteria
Uribe
Zito
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 28, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Rowand CF
Winn RF
Sandoval 3B
Willingham LF
Garko 1B
Molina C
Renteria SS
Uribe 2B
by i wish we were good on Jul 28, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Pablo fourth, because he can protect a strong fastball hitter in front of him
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 28, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
IAWTS
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 28, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt Molina would bat 8th because the pitcher wouldn’t be able to bunt him over if Molina ever got on base.
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Seriously though,
he’s (supposed to be) a low OBP / high SLG guy which makes his optimal position later in the line-up. Like you implied, he doesn’t really get on base that much, so you don’t need to really worry about that.
by kingofthacove on Jul 28, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I looked at your lineup and didn’t notice Renteria. I guess it’s just a reflex of mine now.
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Garkwho?
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So how do the Giants get Garko on the active roster? Burriss 60-day DL and Guzman down?
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DFAurilia?
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 28, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Garkyou!
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 28, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Garko?
I just met her!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 28, 2009 10:01 AM PDT reply actions
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