3-7 after ASB a good thing for Giants?
by cuse7284 on Jul 27, 2009 8:18 AM PDT
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I wanted to throw out this idea which I know initially will turn some people away but hear me out.
While there is nothing worse than your favorite team losing 3-7 right after the AllStar Break to start the 2nd half of the season, maybe there is some silver lining.
Maybe this losing streak isnt a "good thing" per say but maybe it helps us in the long run. Maybe this 3-7 Road trip actually is a positive in that it forces the giants brass to stop drooling at our first half record and really see what type of anemic offensive team we have. For the entire first half, we were all blinded by our pitching and panda's rise to all most all star status. But now, it seems the giants negatives have become very clear very quickly and everyone is waiting to see how the giants react. Rumors swirl around victor martinez (featured today 7/27 in ESPN's rumor central). But who knows whats legit and whats just heresay.
Regardless this 3-7 road trip came at perfect timing, right before the trade deadline. There is nothing we can do to take back our losing streak, only things we can do to avoid repeating it.
Wake up giants management. Its your move. And all of us will be watching
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Nothing like huge overreactions!
Maybe this 3-7 Road trip actually is a positive in that it forces the giants brass to stop drooling at our first half record and really see what type of anemic offensive team we have
Wake up giants management. Its your move. And all of us will be watching
This terrifies the crap out of me.
by xanthan on Jul 27, 2009 8:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And from reading your title, I had the exact opposite thought: “Maybe we won’t make any trades because we’ve been so terrible!”
by xanthan on Jul 27, 2009 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I thought this was going to be a “Finally! Now that we’ve been exposed as pretenders, we can breathe easier that Sabes won’t trade away the future in a futile attempt at being a contender” type of post.
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by tedfordfan on Jul 27, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only....
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by Lyle on Jul 27, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is never a good thing when the Giants lose.
by jctGamer on Jul 27, 2009 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen.
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by Azantor on Jul 27, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to clarify
I would much rather sacrifice a 3-7 losing streak, putting a fire under the asses of management, resulting in a trade for a bat for the future than muddling around .500 and keeping our same tee ball offense everyday. I am actually NOT in the mindset that this is “our year.” More of the mindset that maybe this will help us get our offense on track for the future.
by cuse7284 on Jul 27, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this post. The offense sucks and any help it will get from the minors is a long way from now. Playing poorly right before the deadline is going to force Sabean to go out there and do something. I doubt he will overreact, because he hasn’t overreacted in years. I’m hoping the overreaction comes from Neukom, and it’s in the form of him increasing payroll. Teams will deny it right up until the trade is made, because they’re looking to get the best package they possibly can, but I believe there’s plenty of teams, (led by the Pirates) who are going to dump salary before 4pm Friday for whatever they can get.
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by rxmeister on Jul 27, 2009 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Playing poorly right before the deadline is going to force Sabean to go out there and do something.
by xanthan on Jul 27, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just struck out swinging at a low and in breaking ball.
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Jul 27, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never seen this man before in my life.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 27, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panic trades, yey.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
panic trades
seem to happen when the mentality of the organization is must win it all now or else… the giants dont seem to have that mentality IMO
by cuse7284 on Jul 27, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let’s hope
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 27, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neukom issuing the “stand pat” order – $0.
Neukom overreacting to trade/sign big hitter – $20 million.
Neukom overreacting to fire Sabean – priceless.
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by Lyle on Jul 27, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am inclined to agree with OP
A regression to the mean now is better than a regression to the mean later, after GIONATS BRZZ does something panicky.
but for fuck’s sake, people, it’s per se.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/per%20se%5B1%5D
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by delorean on Jul 27, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
por vida
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by delorean on Jul 27, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Richard
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by Natto on Jul 27, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I believe you meant "hearsay"
Rather than heresay.
by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 27, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heresy!
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by Lyle on Jul 27, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
next time ill run spellcheck for you
geek. Sorry your mad bc comicon just ended. Time to refocus.
by cuse7284 on Jul 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m cool with no trades, and a fade out of the Wild Card race this season. The Giants aren’t catching the Dodgers, and the odds of winning the WC anyways aren’t anything more than “negligible”. Keep it going. This is beyond what we wanted this season. Next season is the time to really start getting excited. It will hurt watching the collapse, just try to maintain some level of patience. Think of the rest of this season as though you’re getting your teeth pulled out without novocaine, but next season your teeth will be replaced with a beautiful set of platinum GRILLZ
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by Karlifornia on Jul 27, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Look, I understand the skepticism and pessimism
I really do. I’d put the Giants chances at making the playoffs at around 20% or so (off the top of my head).
But how could you be a fan of the Giants and want them to fade out of the race, content to look forward to next year and future years? The Giants have a shot at the playoffs. And, they can improve that shot by upgrading a spot or two. If it doesn’t cost them a significant amount of the farm system and they can keep the player(s) they get beyond this year, then of course they’ve got to pull the trigger.
It actually appears as if this is what Sabean is doing this year. This is fine with me. If he doesn’t end up doing anything, I can live with that. But I can’t fathom WANTING the Giants to do nothing.
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by thehavenot on Jul 27, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t WANT them to fade out of the race. I expect them to fade out of the race, as I just don’t think they have the horses this year. Next season, we get Posey up here, maybe a free agent, maybe a trade in the offseason, maybe give Bumgarner or Alderson a taste, now we may be seeing something good.
If they stay in the race this season and make the playoffs without mortgaging the future, then a salut.
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by Karlifornia on Jul 27, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a good thing
Trades aside…It seams like in past years we played decent after the ASB, only to fall apart in Aug/Sep…Maybe this year we’ll suck in July and Early Aug; turn it around in September as the Dodgers and Rockies slump? wishful thinking.
by FriscoJoe on Jul 27, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WE ONLY HAVE RANDY WINN PLAYING AT THIS LEVEL FOR THE TIME BEING MUST BUILD AROUND HIM TRADE FOR GAMER VETERANS THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE OMG WINN NOW
by SnowLeopard on Jul 27, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'll wait until after the homestand to make a judgement.
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by GiantBrass on Jul 27, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
3-7 is never a good thing
i for one don’t understand why so many fans would settle for what we have got now, and don’t care about trying to make the playoffs this season. is that not the point of playing the game? winning? making the playoffs? and once you get to the playoffs, trying to win it all?
also, as a fan, don’t ya wanna be excited? have something to root for and get excited for in august, september, and possibly october?… if so why settle for status quo?
imo, the team worked too hard in the first half to put themselves in position to win the wild card race. i think it would be a bit of a slap in the face to some players, if management doesn’t make a move to improve the offense/team. the team knows the offense is a big problem, so i am sure some players are praying and hoping sabes can bring somebody in to help them out. especially the pitching staff, it does not help a pitchers mind set if they are already pressing themselves on holding the opposing team to 1 run or less before they even take the mound.
bottom line! we need offense! now and for the future! we don’t know when our young guys will be up, and we don’t know how effective they will be.
Advise to SABES, make a move! don’t mortgage the future, but make a positive/offense iprovement move!
by Do_the_research on Jul 27, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that is that it is not easy to make the current team significantly better without mortgaging the future.
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by GiantBrass on Jul 27, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
bumgarner & posey should not be touched. i would only consider moving ONE of them in an Adrian Gonzalez type trade, but we all know that won’t happen.
with that said, i am personally ok with moving 1 maybe 2 of our other top prospects ( alderson, villalona, noonan, etc.) , not all of them. however, it has to be the right deal.
these aren’t my expectations of how it will play out, just wishful thinking/hoping. i know it will take a big prospect package to land a bat or two that will considerably improve our offense.
by Do_the_research on Jul 27, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-7 isn’t a good thing, but it is the Giants. How many of these current players would be starters on a true division-winning team? Which position players would the Cardinals or Phillies or Dodgers like to swap with us?
Bottom line, we have too many holes in our lineup to fix in one year. Or two years, realisticaly. IF we make it to the playoffs this year, great! If not, as now seems likely, then we continue to build for the future – always looking to make trades or sign free agents that make sense within our overall plan, of course.
Drafting our way to the top: change we can believe in!
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by Lyle on Jul 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While there is nothing worse than your favorite team losing 3-7 right after the AllStar Break to start the 2nd half of the season
Oh, I don’t know. I could think of a few worse things.
by VidaWantsYourCar on Jul 27, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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