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minor lines, 7/22/09

The main highlight from the Giants farm is (a) Madison Bumgarner allowing just one run in seven innings and also hitting a grand slam HR.  Other highlights include (b) Craig Clark also allowing just 1 ER in 7.0 IP; (c) Ryan Rohlinger both homering and tripling; (d) Roger Kieschnick also having 2 XBH; and (e,f) both Mike McBryde and Franisco Peguero having three hits, including a double.

Star-divide

AAA: Fresno defeated Salt Lake 6-3

Fresno: 1B Jesus Guzman: 2 for 4, HR
Fresno: SS Ryan Rohlinger: 2 for 4, HR, 3B

Fresno: LHP Steve Hammond: 5.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 2 K
Fresno: LHP Alex Hinshaw: 1.0 IP, 1 BB, 1 K

Guzman and Rohlinger, who had four of the Grizzlies' eight hits, both homered, connecting for their 12th and 8th HRs.

Hammond had less than a quality start but improved his W-L record to 7-8.  He threw 97 pitches (53 strikes) in five innings.  Hinshaw threw 10 of 18 pitches for strikes in a scoreless 8th inning.

AA: Connecticut defeated Binghamton: 9-3
(scoring their first six runs in the 5th inning)

Connecticut: CF Mike McBryde: 3 for 5, 2B, SB
Connecticut: P Madison Bumgarner: 2 for 3, HR, SO
Connecticut: PH Adam Witter: 1 for 1, HR

Connecticut: LHP Madison Bumgarner: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 HR
Connecticut: RHP Wald Joaquin: 1.0 IP, 1 K

McBryde's three hits, including his 11th double, raised his AVG to .292.  Bumgarner had the Defenders' only other multi-hit line, and he even hit a grand slam HR in the 5th inning!  Pinch hitting for Bumgarner in the 8th inning, Witter also homered, his 2nd HR in 112 AB in the Eastern League this year (6 HRs in 194 AB overall).

Bumgarner had a very effective start, dropping his WHIP back below 1.00 and his BAA below .200 in his dozen upper minors starts.  With no walks, he also got his K/BB back above 2.50.  Atypical for him, he more groundouts than flyouts tonight (10/6 GO/FO line).  Joaquin pitched a perfect 8th inning.

A+: San Jose defeated Visalia 7-1

San Jose: RF Roger Kieschnick: 2 for 5, 2 2B, 2 SO
San Jose: 1B C.J. Ziegler: 2 for 5, HR, 2 SO, E
San Jose: C Aaron Lowenstein: 3 for 5, SO

San Jose: LHP Craig Clark: 7.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K

Every Giant in the lineup had a hit, and Lowenstein, a backup catcher, paced their fourteen-hit attack with three singles, raising his AVG to .313.  Among three other Giants with multi-hit lines, Zielger had his 2nd HR and Kieschnick had his 18th and 19th doubles.

Clark had an excellent start with just 1 ER in 7.0 IP, lowering his ERA to 3.07 and improving his W-L record to 11-2.  Altough he has tallied just 10 K in his last three starts combined, his K/IP for the season remains above 1.00, and tonight he surpassed the 100 K mark,

A-: Augusta lost to Kannapolis 5-2

Augusta: CF Francisco Peguero: 3 for 5, 2B
Augusta; LF Wendelly Fairley: 1 for 3, HBP, 2 SO

Augusta: LHP Eric Surkamp: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 6 K--1 HR
Kannapolis: RHP Dexter Carter: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 9 K--1 HB, 1 WP

Peguero has had a hit in all seven games since returning to the Sally League, including three games with three hits, giving him a .419 AVG in the past seven games.  For the season, he has a .378 AVG in 127 AB.  Fairley was the only other GreenJacket to reach base twice.

The results of this start were not quite up to the standards which Surkamp has recently set for himself.  The 8 H were the most Surkamp has allowed in any of his last nine starts, dating back to Memorial Day.  The 4 ER were the most he had allowed in an even longer period of time.  The 6 K was fewer strikeouts than he had had in any of his previous four starts.  He now has a 3.71 ERA after sixteen starts this year.  Carter, whom the White Sox drafted in the 13th round last year and whom BA ranked as their #23 prospect to begin the year, continues to enjoy a very solid pro career.  In four starts this month, he has 20 H, 6 BB, and 41 K in 29.0 IP.  For the season, he has 98 H, 32 BB, and 138 K in 111.0 IP.

ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Boise 10-8
(scoring all ten runs in the 6th and 7th innings)

Salem-Keizer: LF Dan Cook: 3 for 5, BB
Salem-Keizer: 3B Andrew Biery: 3 for 5, SO
Salem-Keizer: SS Ryan Cavan: 2 for 2, HBP

Salem-Keizer: RHP Jorge Bucardo: 4.2 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 3 K--1 HB

Cook and Biery (22nd rounder) both had three singles.  Biery has had multi-hit lines in five of his last seven games, raising his AVG to .388.  Cavan (16th rounder) reached base in all three plate appearances, before being removed from the game shortly after being hit by a pitch in the 6th inning.

Bucardo had his least effective start of the season, allowing four runs in the 5th inning.  His seventh start of the season was his second shortest start of the year, and he had 3 BB after having just 5 BB in his previous six starts.

R: Scottsdale had their regular off-day
(every fifth day)

Giants on AZL leaderboards in selected stats:
--Hitters:
AVG: Izturis 3rd, Ochoa 7th
OBP: Izturis 4th, Ochoa 5th
SLG: (none--Izturis leads team at .492)
SB: Crawford 6th, Izturis 9th
--Pitchers:
ERA: Lamb 5th
WHIP: Lamb 7th
K: Concepcion 2nd, Lamb 3rd
IP: Lamb 6th, Concepcion 12th

DSL: Giants defeated Mets 5-4 (10 innings)

Dominican: 2B Carlos Willoughby: 0 for 1, BB, HBP, SF, SH
Dominican: LHP Diego De La Cruz: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K

I don't know that I've ever seen a line like Willoughby's before, with all four ways of having a plate appearance without having an bat within one game.  De La Cruz (20.5 y.o.) now has a 1.10 ERA in three starts after a 5.65 ERA in six relief appearances.

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MadBum is kicking ass, then taking names

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 22, 2009 10:31 PM PDT reply actions  

And making funny faces.

by Natto on Jul 22, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

like his bat

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jul 23, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a lefty; maybe he could play 1B in SF…

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by Lyle on Jul 23, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently your elbow and tricep skin gets all weird when you throw the ball that hard. Gross

by m34josh on Jul 22, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

he’s so awesome, he can check out a hottie in the 8th row and strike out a hitter at the same time

by sliderinthedirt on Jul 22, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

jizzed in his pants

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 22, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably the best digital short they've ever done

still makes me laugh.

Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs

by bondslegend on Jul 23, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jul 23, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Motherlover is better

Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 23, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fo sho, fo sho

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Jul 23, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Madbum> Giants offense

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Jul 22, 2009 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

FAIRLEYMANIACS

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 22, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
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by Zetsuboushita on Jul 23, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Daniel Runzler another scoreless inning – that makes 16.2 in the CAL league so far – no runs, only 4 hits – is it time for another mid season promotion? Nick had two hits to bring his average above .250 – let us hope he keeps it up. Gerald went 1 for 4. Minor Lines – something to look forward to now that the Giants have fallen back to earth. MadBum is the bomb!

by APGiantsFan on Jul 22, 2009 11:21 PM PDT reply actions  

How come Madbum is striking no one out in AA, should we be worried?

Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?

by TexasRanger on Jul 22, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

WORKING ON HIS SECONDARY STUFF

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 22, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's the issue

I think it’s that he doesn’t have secondary stuff. Like, at all. One of the BA guys was saying that we will see soon if a starter can live with one pitch if that pitch is ++. Also, there’s a good article in the Sacramento Bee about him today that mainly talks about stuff we already know, but also has a comment from his managers and pitching coaches.

by FireBrianSabean on Jul 23, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he will develop good secondary stuff…if left in AA for another season. The problem is that he is putting up such great superficial numbers that some in the FO will probably want to move him fast. The problem is…we have seen what happens with two pitches and bad control (sanchez), and I think it would be comparable to 1 pitches and good control. Give him time, he is still VERY young for his league and is light years ahead of where we thought he would be right now.

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jul 23, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah, from all I’ve heard, he definitely has a slurve and a change but they’re not well developed yet. Someone who listens to the broadcasts of the Defenders games said that it sounds like he’s throwing them a lot more and not just relying on his fastball.

That said, I really really hope he starts next season in AA.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 23, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

From KG today:

Question –

Kevin, on Bumgarner, obviously the ERA is sterling, but is there any talk among scouts about the drop in his strikeout rate? I know he’s absurdly young to be dominating AA, but the strikeout rate has come down significantly, and his walk rate has nearly doubled from High-A. Some other numbers (BABIP, strand rate) show that he’s had pretty good luck. I’m not questioning that he’s the best pitching prospect in the game, just wondering what’s being said about these peripheral numbers. Thanks, as always. These updates are great.

Answer –

Honestly? Yes, there is talk about it, and his secondary pitches are now really getting glowing reviews. Don’t get me wrong, scouts still love him, but they think he has work to do as well.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 23, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Secondary pitches getting glowing reviews? I like.

by xanthan on Jul 23, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Me too

Although, his phrasing is a bit confusing. If they’re getting glowing reviews, why does he say, “Don’t get me wrong, scouts still love him…”?

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could be a typo?

It would make more sense if it was meant to read “his secondary pitches are not really getting glowing reviews.”

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by EliminateMe on Jul 23, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

thats what I thought too

by m34josh on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Might be

I put a comment asking if that was a typo. We’ll see if he responds.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 23, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crap
NOT getting glowing reviews is correct, there. Sorry.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

well that's not surprising

The good news is he’s using the secondary pitches even though they’re not as effective as his FB.

And even though his walk rate has gone up, it’s still a pretty good BB rate.

by superk1ng on Jul 23, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s sort of what I was thinking. At least he’s working on them enough for scouts to get a good read on them. Plus, I’m sort of confident that his change will develop nicely. The Giants seem to be good at developing pitchers changeups and have a nice recent history of filthy change throwers (mad bums).

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.

@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.

by marcello on Jul 23, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know Kevin Garnett followed baseball.

by Natto on Jul 23, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno... the results are there

I remember earlier in the season he was talking about pitching to contact and how that’s important to staying in the game.

In general, it doesn’t look like he’s going to strike guys out like Kershaw, but he gets about the same (if not better results) than Kershaw got in the minors. Even though he’s striking out fewer people, the H/9 rates are similar and he walks fewer batters than Kershaw did.

Maybe he’ll end up having a K rate closer to that of Halladay than Timmy… maybe he’ll strike out more guys as he matures. I don’t know.

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Jul 22, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The recent BA podcast....

…had some things to say about this. In short, John Manuel is still very high on him, some other BA scouts not as much. The thought being that because of his arm slot the slider will never be more than a ML average pitch. That sounds reasonable to me, but I think the real test is going to be the change, if he can make it an average pitch, he should be OK. If he can make it a plus pitch look out, because the fastball is lights out. If he can’t develop his secondary pitches, that would be too bad, but his value would still be top shelf, albeit projected to the bullpen.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Jul 23, 2009 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every time I read that Bumgarner will never be able to throw a good slider because of his arm slot, I think, “Uh, Randy Johnson?”

by Evan on Jul 23, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

And then I worry, "Jonathan Sanchez?"

And I mean the guy who can frustratingly inconsistent for 3/4’s of a season, made all the more frustrating when he does dominate bigtime.

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by BruteSentiment on Jul 23, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel like a K/9 of 7 is nothing to sneeze at for a 19 year old in AA. It’s not the video game numbers he was putting up in Lo A, but it’s not as if he’s Rueter-esque.

by KCE on Jul 23, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

BRING UP MADBUM

Need to add a jolt to the offense.

by DrDC on Jul 23, 2009 12:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Remember reading a comment Strasburg – #1 draft pick this year – made in an article. He said strikeouts are over-rated, even though he strikes out a heck of a lot of batters. Said a perfect inning would be if he could induce batters to ground out, fly out, etc., because he generally throws fewer pitches that way and can go deeper into the game. But everyone loves the strikeout!

by flyonthewall on Jul 23, 2009 12:25 AM PDT reply actions  

strike outs are not overrated

strikes outs can’t turn in to home runs or base hits and only depend on your catcher catching the pitch.

by superk1ng on Jul 23, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it’s possible for them to be both overrate an incredibly valuable.

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Jul 23, 2009 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

this this this

Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball

"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson

by haverecords on Jul 23, 2009 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Take that philosophy into the bigs, see how it works out.

by DrDC on Jul 23, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The inducing a flyout or groundout is the problem. Those tend to turn into hits and HR.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 23, 2009 8:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

A lot more often than strikeouts do.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 23, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Grand slam by a pitcher? That is like the most awesome thing ever. I wonder how many times that’s happened in MLB.

VOTE SANDOVAL
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by raisingcain on Jul 23, 2009 12:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Not as much as it used to. But Shawn Estes, Denny Neagle and King Felix come to mind

by m34josh on Jul 23, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Estes GS game was soooooo awesome.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 23, 2009 8:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Man, I still wish he had two in that game.

That spring, I was at SFSU and was taking a class called ‘Baseball Literature.’ It was a night class (and very worthwhile). However, the final was a take-home essay, so the three hour ‘final period’ schedule wasn’t mandatory. So I suggested, then arranged, group seats in the bleachers for that game for the class. That was the Estes’ grand slam game, and later in the game he came only a few feet foul of another one.

Awesome night.

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by BruteSentiment on Jul 23, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Madison Bumgarner

he’s better than you

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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs

by bondslegend on Jul 23, 2009 1:42 AM PDT reply actions  

And the Giants. Like, all of them. Combined. If you made one player out of all Giants. He’s better. I know it.

by DrDC on Jul 23, 2009 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Miguel Ferrer’s 24-0 K-BB ratio in the DSL is interesting. He’s clearly not Giants material.

by KCE on Jul 23, 2009 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I loved that guy in Robocop.

Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.

by Johnny Disaster on Jul 23, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

ALBERT!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jul 23, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rohlinger as SS?

That is an intresting line score, I am guessing it is best Frandsen is in transit, still it was not anything I thought I would see in a box score.

That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.

by daveinexile on Jul 23, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Isn’t Rohlinger a bit like Downs – he can play pretty much all over? Not to say he’s a gold glover everywhere, but just that he has some positional flexibility.

I will go out on a limb here and predict that Rohlinger will be on the 2010 SFGiants roster. Oh, wait, these are the folks that bungled the progress of Frandsen, Lewis, & Schierholtz. Let me rephrase: if the Giants front office acts rationally, I predict Ryan will be in SF next year. Judy Steffes FTW!!

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by Lyle on Jul 23, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind that. Maybe even this year if Frandsen gets traded.

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jul 23, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

What strikes me most about Rohlinger is his huge platoon split. His career minor-league numbers against lefties are .301/.397/478.

So I think he could handle Rich Aurilia’s job.

by Evan on Jul 23, 2009 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would think with that kind of spli along with the RHB that he would bestarting to get more play time at 2nd & 1st soon. Not to nessarly take those position but see if he could be a Ramon Martinez type.

That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.

by daveinexile on Jul 23, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

His B-R page shows him having played exactly 1 game at SS and 1 at 2nd. One of the things that stood about Rohlinger to me last year was his issues with throwing. It didn’t seem to be a lack of power to cross the diamond as much as getting the ball where it should be. Not exactly a trait I would expect to be over looked at SS. Of course maybe Ryan has over came some of that. The choice to play him SS is interesting.

If they keep making that choice things get more interesting for different reasons.

That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.

by daveinexile on Jul 23, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like this idea.

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jul 23, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

THROWING A BASE-BALL TO THE PRIMARY BASE HAS PRESENTED AS A PROBLEM FOR RYAN

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jul 23, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I KNEW JUDY WAS STILL WATCHING US.

That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.

by daveinexile on Jul 23, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda like MadBum

Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 23, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I don’t know – his base running is a little rusty. After the grand slam he got a single. Bond then hit a double but was hung out to dry on his way to second base, as Bum stayed on second.

by flyonthewall on Jul 23, 2009 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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