Giants hit at home, but not on the road!
by bradleybear on Jul 20, 2009 3:44 PM PDT
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Ok so it seems like I'm Captain obvious to those who already follow the stats, and being Gramps was a submarine Captain for the U.S. Navy in WWII, maybe I take the term Captain obvious as a compliment. Stop calling me an idiot now, and read on just a few paragraphs more before you make your decision. God did I give all the would be, and real comedians a major opening. I will show some stats that fly in the face of AT&T park being a pitchers park, and wonder along with you, why the giants hit so well at home, and so poorly on the road. Is there a homefield advantage imparted by umpire favoritism? How does one explain such stark differences in the home/road hitting stats for the giants, while they pitch better at home than on the road. For comparison of the giants home/road hitting stats I will also show the bums home/road hitting stats. The conclusion here seems that the giants need to trade for a hitter for road games, but should stand pat for home games. Is there a great hitter out there who likes to travel, but has an aversion to the BAY area? Or maybe, like the 1951 giants, they are cheating at home, giving them an unfair advantage not related to steroids. I hear they have above state of the art video equipment.
So the stats look something like this: Home games:
GIANTS:
GP AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BA OBP SLG OPS
46 1500 215 411 82 16 35 630 203 274 328 420 748
BUMS
44 1482 193 396 75 7 34 587 183 267 336 396 732
Looking at the above the giants rank 5th in the league in hitting at home just
behind the hitting park teams; Colorado, Arizona, Philadelphia, and Florida,
while the Bums rank 10th, This is in stark contrast to on the road hitting
where the Bums rank first and the Giants rank dead last and then some!
GIANTS:
44 1547 154 379 80 3 28 549 144 245 289 355 644
BUMS
47 1674 256 467 86 12 42 703 241 279 365 420 785
The dodgers actually hit better on the road, and the giants hit better at home,
yet the BUMS, like the GIANTS have excellent home records. Just how does
one explain such a wide disparity for giants hitters, while hitting fine in a
park supposedly geared to pitchers, and certainly not lefty hitters. Yet the
giants lineup is loaded with lefties. Is something wrong with the air on
the team plane? Do the Dodgers stay at better hotels on the road? Does
our hitting coach go on vacation while the team is on the road? Did all
the rain delays bring hitters rust while on the road? I understand why a
team like the DBACKS have serious home to road splits, in favor of home.
But, some of you great academician theorists, "SPLAIN" to me why this
is happening!
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Just to mention!
Stats were gathered before the 4 run outburst during their last game at Pittsburgh!
thanks for making a fanpost that we already knew!
by Mannybeatsfranny on Jul 20, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions
It is a pitchers park for the giants
The giants era at home was almost 0.7 lower than it is on the road.
So it does seem to be a pitchers park for the gmen. And are you
guys saying that Kruk and Kuip, have been lying to us for years now?
Probably after todays shellacking by the braves the era differential
at home and on the road for our pitchers is even greater. No one
has offered a reason why there is so much differential between the
hitting splits at home and on the road, especially when we are pitching
worse on the road. Even Colorado does not have such extreme splits.
I guess because the humidor in Denver is only used for the visitors.
The park factor for AT&T is 103/104 this year. Three year is 102/102. (under 100 = pitcher’s park, over 100 = hitter’s park) It’s not Coors, but it’s also not anywhere near being a pitcher’s park anymore.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
BTW
It DID used to be a big time pitcher’s park, which is the reason people still stay it is (in the mid 90s in 2002, etc.) But park factors change.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
isn’t the variance in park factor just kind of random, though? There haven’t really been structural changes in the park that made it more hitter-friendly… the only non-random factor I can think of is that hitters tried their damnedest to clear the RF wall in the first couple years and eventually gave up that hopeless cause.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 20, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Climate change
Not just in the “OMG Nauru is sinking into the ocean” sense— there are also cyclical trends in weather patterns.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Some fluctuation occurs (aka “luck”), which is why three-year park factors are better.
But remember, when the park opened it was being compared to different parks; plenty of teams have new parks – such as that clownish bandbox in Philly – and the park factors are relative to other parks. That’s a big reason for the change.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 21, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
wasn't aware of the relative aspect
now it all makes sense
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 21, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
also addition of some pitcher friendly parks
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2009 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions
petco + humidor
made AT&T a hitters park (slighly). Park factors are relative.
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I misread this and thought you were saying that AT&T was a pitcher’s park in the mid 90s, and I was all set with a “Ummm…. WTF?” but then I re-read it and understood.
by The Double Deuce on Jul 21, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Ask the opposing teams hitters if its a pitchers park.
They would much rather face the giants pitchers at their parks than in SF. Of course, unless Zito is pitching.
It’s hard to hit home runs at the Bell. But there’s also not a lot of foul ground, not a ton of wind (at least compared to the Stick) and a big old wall to bounce triples off of. Neutral except for the dingers.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 20, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I called them to ask but, like groug, they won’t call me back.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s most pronounced with Ishi and Sandoval. Ishi is Really Good at home and pitcher- level on the road and Sandoval is beyond good at home and just ok on the road. It all adds up to a deficit feeling overwhelming on the road and I mean ANY deficit. 1-0 might as well be 10-0.
As for explanations I have none except for possibly young hitters being more comfortable at home.
Small sample size? Luck? Random variation? I don’t think we should draw conclusions based on a half-year sample.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 21, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing I would consider as well is OF defense.
Get a team that plays in a smaller yard and they can afford to hide a stronger stick but weaker glove guy in the corner OF spots. Those kind of fielders are going to make gap hitting line drive hitters look a lot better in Mays Field.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
Mid nineties, pitcher's park.
I didn’t know that PacBell, AT&T, or whatever you call it, existed in the Mid nineties,
except for the mid nineties fastball. Weren’t we playing at good old windy,
Candlestick park back in that century gone by?
By mid-90s, I mean that was its park factor. It was like 94-95.
AND PLEASE USE +REPLY.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
And remember to brush and floss after each meal!
by positiveuphemism on Jul 20, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And wash
behind your
ears
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list and batting .326 in Scottsdale...which I believe has be renamed Rafaelsdale.
by BrianBokake on Jul 21, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Use birth control when appropriate.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 21, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Regularly change your underware!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
“And that’s the name of THAT tune.”
50 , 000 Frankenfrancs…who said that?
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 21, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering when the right time for me to use birth control would be.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
according to this years stats
for the home team, This park is the hitters park of all hitters parks, when you compare the giants home stats to their road stats. The differential defies physics, and logic, and probably the laws of probability and statistics. We have an outlier, more than two standard deviations beyond the mean, and if you use Mann-Whitney non parametric stats, just by ranking where the giants stats are in each category, home and road, you would think that something was amiss, and that these stats were put together to be part of a test question comparing baseball on two planets, with the same players, with significantly different gravimetric fields. Anyway here comes the second half, where Winn hits, and Rowand disappears. I hope Rowands hand swells a bit, so he can sit for a while, and contemplate swinging a thousand more times at low outside bouncing sliders on 3-2 counts with the bases loaded. Helen Keller could probably do a better job of laying off that pitch, just using her senses of sound and smell.
I try to start reading this
and then I get very very sleepy…
Watch out San... oh, wait, Sadowski... uhh... [fifth starter], uncle Pucetas is comin' for you.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 20, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Mann-Whitney non parametric stats, just by ranking where the giants stats are in each category
oddly enough that is something you could do. Don’t really know why or why it’s swimming in a sea of nonsense.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
You’ve managed to say absolutely nothing of value in that entire paragraph. It would help if you could use actual numbers to back whatever message you are trying to convey. And just because the Giants hit better than most teams at AT&T doesn’t mean AT&T is a hitters park. You aren’t really taking into account that the Giants play more games there than most teams because it’s their home park.
Semi-proud adoptive father of Scott "Aaron" Barnes.
OMG GIANTZ LEAD ALL TEAMS IN RUNZ SCORED IN 2009 AT ATT PARK!!!!!!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 24, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
The Panda has a larger gravimetric field than Lincecum
so I guess Lincy makes up for it, with his huge magnetic field.
Starfleet academy is moving from Sanfrancisco to Atlanta.
It has something to do with Warp factor 9.
by bradleybear on Jul 20, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
so you do know how to + reply
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 21, 2009 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Only to himself.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Or maybe, like the 1951 giants, they are cheating at home
Elaborate or die.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 21, 2009 2:32 AM PDT reply actions
Elaboration
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/sports/baseball/12yvars.html?_r=1
Cutty and Pasty and see how great the good old N.Y. Giants cheated.
They were awesome, and Manhattan was obviously the silicone valley
of its time. The 1951 Giants, were the “Manhattan Project”. So it is
appropriate now that the team is being run by a guy named “NEUKOM”
I don’t mind this at all. If you are not cheatin’ you aren’t tryin’
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 21, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
that isn’t cheating anymore then putting a flag pole in CF!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
I concur.
This sign stealing crucifixion floating around nowadays is BULLSHIT. If a manager were to yell to a batter should the opposition plug their ears? It’s a level field and the same breeze favors/hinders both sides…
…wait a sec , I’m getting off track here. What I mean to say is if you’re bold enough to have interplayer communication then you better be ready for the interception, If it’s OK for you to communicate then it’s OK for the oppo to interpret for themselves. It promotes innovation in deception…jeez , who writes this stuff?
Oh. Yeah.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 21, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
In 1951
They did have large tube radios. Truman was President, and pushing for a
nationalized health care program, which he showed could work by starting
such programs in the Marshall Plan, in the countries we were helping to
rebuild, after flattening them during WWII. At least thats how gramps told
it.
by bradleybear on Jul 21, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
How exactly are you doing that?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 23, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
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