Kevin Frandsen and Freddy Sanchez
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 20, 2009 12:58 PM PDT
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If the Giants and Pirates do consummate a Freddy Sanchez trade, the Pirates would do well to demand Kevin Frandsen as a throw-in. If Frandsen came up with the Red Sox, he would have been Freddy Sanchez. That is, Frandsen would have been hyped enough to be a significant trade chip in his own right. Sanchez was 25 when he was the main piece in a deal that sent Jeff Suppan to the Red Sox, and his career minor league line was .318/.381/.440. Frandsen is 27 and his career minor league line is .322/.385/.457. Without league and park context, those numbers aren't perfect matches, of course, but it isn't hard to see Sanchez/Frandsen parallels.
I guess my point is this: Kevin Frandsen will hit .344 with 53 doubles in two years, just like Sanchez did in 2006. It's just science. My other point is this: Even though I'm obviously kidding about the first point, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea for another team to see how cheaply the Giants would part with Frandsen. Maybe there's a 20% chance he turns into a Sanchez-type player, and I don't think the Giants are going to give him that chance.
Is the lesson...
a. The Giants don't value Frandsen properly
b. Players with Sanchez-like careers are outliers -- most players don't just translate their minor league numbers over to the majors like that, so expecting Frandsen to do the same is silly
c. Folks might be overvaluing Sanchez just a bit. He's basically Frandsen if everything worked out perfectly
d. Defense makes this whole point moot, as Sanchez is the better defender
e. The comparison is invalid because of Frandsen's two extra birthdays. That makes a substantial difference
f. Sanchez is good. Frandsen is not. I didn't need to read all of those words up there to figure that out.
Just curious. I was stunned by how close the minor league numbers were for the two.
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and c), real life just pantsed me right as I was about to post, so I needed something I could rehash in about five minutes….
that’s lazy journalism or bloggalism or whatever
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Jul 20, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much. I’m surprised that it doesn’t happen more, but I feel guilty when I don’t spend at least an hour on my post.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 20, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
As a father of a nine month old, I find myself getting pantsed by life on a daily basis. Funny how all my time seems to disappear.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Jul 20, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it too late for Kevin and the giants, honestly?
Is he gonna start seeing a higher babip? I know its cliche, but he’s really made solid contact, and it was great to see him get the xbh. Hopefully he can be a bit more relaxed now, with that under his belt.
Is it obscenely stupid that i’d rather watch him bat than Rentaria? I know, it probably is, but I have hope when i see Kevin hit, and w/Edgar…i just resign myself.
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Um ,no, it is not obscenely stupid
Aurilia is pretty much the only player on the Giants who I would rather see Renteria hit than him.
…that’s a pretty awkward sentnece…
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
All awkwardness aside, I’m quite glad someone shares this viewpoint.
I was 5 rows away when he hit his grand slam, and thought “holy shit do we have a power hitting shortstop?”
Then I watched as his ab’s slowly degraded into pedro feliz territory. Even if they’re different players, and pedro’s far superior on d, i just have that exact same feeling.
I duno, maybe I’m too enamored of .ave, or too overly pissed when he swings at the same shitty first pitches, but that’s pretty much where I’m coming from.
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by Andy from DC on Jul 20, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I think its time we come to a consensus on what a fair deal would be for Sanchez. Probably one of Sanchez or Alderson and minor throw in pieces. Or a deal made around 2-3 prospects in the 7-15 range.
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Frandsen, Barnes and Matos. maybe that’s a bit light.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
also, i wouldn’t trade Crawford in a Sanchez deal, because of the need. But that’s just me.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see crawford coming up midseason 2010, i see ehire being a season and a half to 2 season behind him
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Alderson is way too much to be giving up, IMHO. I’d say 2 prospects in the 6-15 range is okay as long as your top 5 is MadBum, Angel, TimA, Posey, Neal.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 20, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Frandsen needs his shot
Unfortunately, it’s looking like that shot won’t come with the Giants. The Giants really do need to get somebody to play second base; someone who will definitely produce. Frandsen is one huge question mark. If the Giants were floundering around .500 like they were supposed to be doing, then this is all a moot point. (Un)fortunately, they are contending and need more production and 2nd base is the obvious place to get it.
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I pretty much agree with the facts of this.
We still don’t know what Frandsen is or what he could be.
The Giants really do need a 2b who can hit reliably and provide adequate defense.
If the Giants were flounders this year, Frandsen might well be our regular 2b and then we would know what he’s capable of.
BUT I don’t know where that leaves us NOW, as things ARE. I would let Frandsen start every game now, but would still probably look for a 2b for the stretch run. I wouldn’t just hand it to Frandsen now and live with whatever he happens to provide. I just don’t trust him with the keys to the kingdom yet. If our 2b provides good offense and good defense, we just might get to the postseason (and with our pitching, we could take the whole damn enchilada); without a decent 2b, we won’t. I don’t have the confidence that Frandsen is that 2b.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is last year’s performance not considered at least somewhat indicative? Or is it? 109 games seems a decent sample size.
Who is John Rabb?
He was out all of last year with a torn acl, right?
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by Andy from DC on Jul 20, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
so i guess my question is: what’s the consensus (if it exists) on Fransden’s 2007 performance?
Who is John Rabb?
The point is his CURRENT ability is unproven.
I believe we do or don’t get to the postseason based on the Giants’ ability to upgrade its offense at 2b (or add a Halladay-type arm, which seems highly unlikely). That’s it, that’s the whole ballgame right there. I am not willing to just throw Frandsen in there for 2.5 months and see what happens. He hasn’t earned THAT kind of consideration. In another season where it didn’t matter so much, sure, put him in there and see what happens. I don’t think this is that season, and I don’t think there is reason to think he is currently capable of anything more than he’s shown, which is meh.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why his lost 2008 really, really sucks now.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Damn skippy. But barring the production of a time machine that actually works, that still leaves the question:
What do we do NOW?
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say play Franny while trying to make a deal. If the other teams want too much for F. Sanchez or Kennedy or whoever then you have to decide who gives you the best shot to win this year, Uribe or Franny.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Yep. That's what I said above.
Hey— I can count that as a vote for the Mayor of 311! Suck it, pollsters.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't care about your vote
He only wants your campaign contributions.
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He had 1 at bat in 2008. You are thinking of 2007. Those 109 (of course) games yielded all of 296 Plate appearances. He was playing sporadically until the end of the season. He then finally got steady playing time and hit well.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
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Yeah, basically – gritty gamer performance.
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by Andy from DC on Jul 20, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
109? IT'S A SIGN FROM THE HEAVENS
My recollection is that he was getting decent playing time for a while and hitting terribly before he just took off in September.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Frandsen should be starting in the first place, but since the Giants don’t seem to want him anywhere in the lineup, a trade seems like the best way of improving the production at 2B. Someone like Sanchez or maybe Adam Kennedy looks like the most viable option at the moment.
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would Kelly Johnson be worth trading for?
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
my bad. Last I checked on him, he had lost his spot to prado.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of which...
How come that never happens to me when I talk to attractive women I dont know on Facebook?
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It’s too bad he’s hurt, because I like Kelly Johnson and he should be available
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh...Uribe?
Sorry, but I’m not going to wait to see if “Frandsen” can pan out. He had his shot in Spring Training and didn’t come through. Uribe stepped in and so far has done the job. We’ve been winning with Uribe in the starting lineup, and the only guy in my mind that should unseat him is Freddy Sanchez.
I know Frandsen is a local kid and a lot of Giants fans want to root for him, but I think Frandsen just isn’t going to breakout as a Giant as we all think.
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Uribe sucks
he’s a utility player and that’s it
uribe is a below average 2B but an above average bench player
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree Uribe has been a pleasant surprise but he is also the number one canidate to regress IMO. He would be so much more valuable as a utility guy and RHH off the bench (which is why he was signed in the first place)
Uribe has been nice, but I don’t expect him to maintain his current production. He’s probably not the best defensive option either.
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I love the quotes around Frandsen
I picture objesguy thinking in his mind as he’s typing it “if that really is his name.”
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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looks ’shopped.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 21, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Frandsen did fine in spring training. The Giants simply put too much stock in Burriss’s great spring.
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this
1000x this
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We’ve been winning with Uribe in the starting lineup
We’ve also been winning with Bengie hitting cleanup and with Aurilia being allowed to hit against RHPs.
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by i did my job on Jul 20, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
And Rowand batting leadoff...
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 20, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLinup
CF Rowand
LF Winn
3B Sandoval
C Molina
RF Schierholtz
SS Renteria
1B Bowker
2B Uribe
P Sanchez
that would be a stupid move…again
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t even like Frandsen that much.
I would like whiteside to catch sanchez again, but i guess that’s asking too much.
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Benji’s our cleanup hitter, and as bruce jenkins sez, pitchers have to develop good repors with their clean-up hitting catchers.
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by Andy from DC on Jul 20, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Other stupid shit in that short writeup
— Most of the Giants spent the first two games of the Pittsburgh series flailing wildly at curveballs. On Sunday, they conquered their nemesis in the sixth inning against a tough left-hander, Zach Duke. Pablo Sandoval golfed a low curve for an RBI double, Nate Schierholtz impressively waited on a 3-2 curve for a two-run double and John Bowker timed a breaking ball for his hard-hit sacrifice fly. On such episodes is character built.
Hitting a few curveballs builds character?
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
A former female friend of mine told me once
“rejection builds character”
I told her No, rejection builds anger, and I’m very Angry right now.
sadly, it makes me think of damon bruce. Ugh.
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by lyricalkiller on Jul 20, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I am so fucking pissed about this! Give the guy a chance to succeed. Barry Zito was also a shit-load better when Pablo was catching him too.
STOP BADMOUTHING OUR CLEANUP HITTER
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by Andy from DC on Jul 20, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve Holm would like a word with you.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 20, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
AND WHY DOES EDGAR HIT ANYWHERE BUT 8th
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by Andy from DC on Jul 20, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Because they like to repeatedly our hart rip out and ground in a mortal & pestle with broken glass.
That was easy. Next question please!
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I like that Rowand is still leading off despite his slump
…because the only reason he was left at leadoff hitter is that he was hitting well there and now he’s slumping horribly.
Wait, no. Not ‘like.’ The opposite of that.
I think it’s really stupid. Yeah, that’s the word I was looking for.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
they shouldn’t. July 2009 Ishi is much better than April 2009 Ishi
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by Speedforthewin on Jul 20, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think e) might be a bigger factor than you realize
Also you can’t compare their minor league stats at all without Park and League (not to mention age).
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Meh
3/5 of the Giants current rotation is kinda crappy. Another 2B would be nice, though.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
Well, that 3/5 contains 1 no-hitter and the rest rotations of MLB has none this year.
Game, set, match.
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by Scooter Ellis on Jul 20, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
in before chasm?
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
For all of our best ERA in the majors, three places in the starting rotation are below 100 for ERA+.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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Frandsen sure looks like Sanchez when he hits to right field.
I’m not sure it’s fair to compare ages due to Frandsens injury and the fact that the Giants don’t want to play him.
Defensively: Frandsen may not be Sanchez, but one of the impressive things about him is how much he has improved defensively.
With the Giants recent history of over valuing hitting prospects, I am perplexed by how much they seem to loathe Bowker, Frandsen and Schierholtz – Frandsen the most. Especially given the lack of talent presently playing at their given positions.
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Play Fransden every day!
He’s hitting .128, how can he not be starting?? As he will tell you himself, he deserves it!!
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BATTING AVERAGE IS AN AWESOME PREDICTIVE STAT!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I get your point about BA, but are you suggesting that there are reliable predictive stats that show Frandsen will be reliably good?
Stuff from 2 years ago? Stuff from this year? Spring training? I’m really asking your opinion on what the reliable predictive stats are that show that Frandsen will get good.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont know about good
But considerably better than .128
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Of COURSE, but that alone is not enough.
He would have to be 135 points better than 128 — for the rest of the season — in order for Frandsen to be the answer.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
In addition to the knock on using batting average, it was also a subtle swip at taking any performance metric over 42 freakin plate appearance and making a yay or nay proclamation.
In a nutshell, we don’t know if Frandsen will be good. He hasn’t been given the opportunity. There are no reliably predictive stats over that small of a sample size.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 20, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr Winn's Interstate AVG VS. LHP would like a word with you.
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by daveinexile on Jul 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What do people think about Brian Roberts as a trade target?
He is having an off year, and he just signed a big contract, and he’ll be 32 in the off-season, and I think I’m talking myself out of this even as I type … but he’s clearly a cut above the likes of Lopez and Sanchez and Kennedy, and the Orioles are rebuilding, so I wonder why we don’t hear his name mentioned in trade rumors.
Not a terrible idea...
Roberts is the same age as Sanchez and he’s actually a leadoff hitter who walks more than four times a month. Sanchez is a better defensive 2B, but Roberts is better than Juan Uribe.
No way the Giants trust Frandsen with the job over the next couple months.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 20, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
he just signed a big extension until 2013 @ $10m per (w/ a limited NTC in 2010, 2011 and a full NTC in 2012). Not sure the Orioles want to dump him after that. Plus, they have an up and coming team. They could be a TB Rays type of thing in the next couple years and he would presumably be a part of that.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea more like this.
the move him they have to fil 2nd and a top of the order spot again. I don ‘t think the O’s are remotely intrested in that unlesss the Giants make it well worth their time. I do like him as a target i just think that ship has already sailed.
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by daveinexile on Jul 20, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I’ll say this: If I were the Orioles, I’d be looking to trade him. Paying $10 million a year to a second basemen in his thirties who’s showing signs of decline is not something that a franchise hoping to compete in a vicious division should do, especially since his no-trade clause is going to make it tough to move him after this year.
It’s a real stretch to see the Orioles competing any time soon. They have their three young superstars, and a bunch of great arms who haven’t cracked the majors yet, so that’s an awesome base. But to make any noise in the next few years, they basically need all of their young pitchers to put it together all at once, and that just never happens.
I get the feeling
That “Frandsen” could go 2 for his next 200, and there would still be a bunch of fans who believe in him. But, I think his defensive prowess makes him ideal for the utility player mold. Gamer.
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 20, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions
200 ABs over the course if an entire season is totally different from 200 ABs over the course of a two month stretch.
Wow, FBS’s point proven I guess.
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by lyricalkiller on Jul 20, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 20, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
what about 1B?
seems to me that of the two biggest current holes in the lineup not including the holes that cannot or will not be fixed now (Renteria), first base is much more of a problem than second. In terms of what one needs from that position, in terms of the current level of productivity, in terms of what might be expected in a pennant (or WC) race or god forbid a short playoff series, 1B seems like a much bigger problem than 2B. Uribe is no long-term solution, but he sure seems passable for now while Ishi is neither a long-term nor a short-term solution and he is not getting better. Don’t you think the FO is going to make a move for 1B if they make one? Assuming Victor Martinez (2.5 wins) is too $$, the next most valuable 1B that might be available is Mark Reynolds (2.1). Would the dbags consider? Next in order are Konerko, Helton, Nick Johnson, Cantu, Billy Butler, and Hank Blaylock. Any takers?
The first basemen out there are not worth the prospects it's going to take to get them
Nick Johnson is the one guy I’d consider but that’s only because I think he’ll come cheap. If we can’t get him cheap then I’d be okay with sticking with Ishi for the year.
The Giants will need a team taxidermist.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 20, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
We could’ve had Dunn and his 24hr’s for the same amount of money we paid Renteria. Just saying….
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jul 20, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
No thanks on Dunn
1. He wouldn’t have anywhere near 24 HRs playing half his games in AT&T.
2. He hates AT&T so much we’d have had to offer a huge premium over what the Nats gave him to even get him to consider signing with us.
3. His D at 1B (or LF) would have cost us all most as many wins as his power and OBP gained us.
4. If he’s so great then why have the teams that he played for the past 3 years all have horrible records? The Nats are actually worse this year with him when compared to last year without him, and the Dbacks went into a season-ending slump almost as soon as he joined the team last year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Thinking outside the box
All of the FAs to be at 1B (Nick Johnson, Aubrey Huff, Hank Blalock, and Adam LaRoche) don’t interest me unless we could get them for 1 or 2 very fringey prospects – which I don’t believe is likely, because they all look to be Type A.
Only 2 possibly available 1B would interest me:
1. V. Martinez would be a great fit for for us. But we’d have to give up a bundle of top-level prospects for him, and we’d only have him until the end of 2010 – which IMO makes this a dumb deal.
2. Derrek Lee will be 34 in September, and is a FA at the end of 2010 (he’s owed about $18M between now and then). He’s blocking the hot-hitting Fox, he’s expensive, and the Cubs need SP and bullpen help if they’re going to make the playoffs this year. If we offered one of our better MLB pen arms, a young SP like Joe Martinez or Pucetas, and a fringey A/AA league prospect the Cubs might bite.
I’m partial to trying to get a 3B and sliding Pablo back over to 1B for the rest of the year. The best deal that I can see is trading for Scott Rolen. His contract expires at the end of 2010 and he would be owed about $16M between now and then. He still is a ++ defender, is having a great year offensively, and he crushes LH pitching (our kryptonite). Due to his age, contract, and the fact that the Jays need to rebuild in order to compete in the AL East, I think Rolen would come reasonably cheap. He could probably be had for a package like Rohlinger, Merkin, and Jesse English. We went on a pretty nice run last month when Pablo had to move to 1B because of the bum elbow, and that was with Uribe taking over 3rd. Imagine what an offensive upgrade it would be to have Pablo, Uribe, and Rolen in the lineup at the same time.
Finally, what about trying to upgrade our SS by making a run at JJ Hardy from the Brewers? He’s not having a good year at the plate so far, and he’s blocking their #1 prospect (Alcides Escobar) who appears ready to make his MLB debut now. The Brewers need pitching, and we have a surplus now that might get the deal done. He would probably end up costing us J. Sanchez as the centerpiece of the deal, but he we’d control him at least through the end of 2011.
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Great idea on Hardy, and the Brew Crew definitely seem to want to move him. Also, they just traded for Felipe Lopez, making Hardy even less needed.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez has a great LD% that I don’t know if Frandsen could ever reach. Sanchez’s BABIP is higher than it should be, though. I think Sanchez has the far better peripherals which is the difference that translated to major league success vs what Frandsen is doing.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 20, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
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Lowry should definately think of trying to make a Ankiel comeback.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Jul 20, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
And he should make the Giants pay for his HGH.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 20, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
RIP who the fuck is dan ortmeier?
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who exactly is our competition in the pursuit of sanchez? the twinkies signed mark grudzielanek last week. the rox need their prospects to boost the bullpen. pittsburgh wants to get out from under the 8 million vesting option sanchez has next year. sanchez’ value is going down quickly, and the suitors look like the giants and the giants. that said, frandsen should man the position in our pennant race this year so we know whether he can handle the pressure when we take the division next year.
Pitt does not have anybody ready to take over 2B. Even though he may be expensive, they can do much worse than keeping sanchez at 8M next year.
That and Tampa Bay and Seattle may be willing to part with prospects if the pirates pickup some salary. The Giants best play here is “we’ll take all of his salary”.
i’d take jose lopez or ben zobrist over freddie sanchez. sanchez would be the cheapest to aquire of all of them. i can’t see either of those teams making that move. tampa is saving up for bullpen help. seattle is not in buy mode, they’ll be selling washburn to the bums down south in a week. again, i think we’re bidding against ourselves. and we all know that worked out with diahrenteria.
The Mariners are 6 games over .500 and 4 back in the AL West
They’re not selling barring a horrific collapse in the next week.
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because they haven't so far
so why haven’t we heard they’re name in halladay talks?
why weren’t they part of the derosa debate last month?
they just picked up hananananan from oak. they’re making smart cheap moves, not sanchez type kicking the tire activity. my point is that the sanchez market is minimal so sending out a top prospect or even a dirty sanchez is overpaying. sabean has a poor history of that, he won’t make a bonehead move like that in his walk year.
Seattle has a pretty good pitching staff already. They probably don’t have the parts for a Halladay trade anyway.
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Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 20, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Gimme Freddy
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 20, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
Throw in a side of Jack Wilson.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live - too rare to die."
This can be accomplished by spray painting “SANDOVAL” over the back of Renteria’s jersey & shipping him to Pitt.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live - too rare to die."
I dont want Wilson
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 20, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
You’d rather have Renteria?
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at least we wont have to give upm anything extra
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 20, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
A and C. the Giants have mistreated him this year when they gave Burriss the job out of ST, which was an obvious mistake, even if we hoped it wouldn’t be. Sanchez is a decent enough player, but I’d be hesitant to trade for a guy when we have in house options that just need a chance to show what they can do. I know we’re contenders now, but c’mon – this is still a rebuilding year. An 85+ win season that falls short of the playoffs will be a success. Once a few more youngsters start coming up in the next few seasons, we’ll have a perennial contender on our hands and we’ll look back be thankful that we didn’t do something stupid in 2009.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 20, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions
82 wins is a successful year for this team.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 20, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
79
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 20, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
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