Sanchez V. Prospects
by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 9:29 PM PDT
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With all the talk today about the proposed trade with Toronto, I was wondering what Sanchez's value is versus our top prospects in terms of trade value, specifically Alderson and V. The no-no showcased the improved Sanchez and what stood out was an increase in velocity and control. If he can keep that then is he better then either Alderson or Angel? I know Alderson has begun to be devalued on other blogs because of his lack of velocity and some see him now as only an average of even tail end of the rotation guy but before the no-no Sanchez floor was much lower, a late innings reliever or even lefty specialist were being mentioned.
Angel has been slumping lately but still has 80 power and is very young. But how long will that be an excuse? I'm still not giving up on Angel but a lot of people around the league, especially readers of John Sickels fellow SB blog seem not so high on him. Too many K's, poor defense, etc.
Anyway what I'm getting at is in the hypothetical Rios and Halladay trade, which two of the three would you be most willing to give up: Angel, Sanchez, or Alderson
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He ranks below the top 4 I'd say
I’d say our trade chips (not counting guys we’d unlikely move like Cain, Lincecum, etc.) rank in this order:
1) Bumgarner
1a) Posey
3) Alderson
4) Villalona
5) Sanchez
6) Neal
7) Barnes
8) Rodriguez
9) Schierholtz
10) Noonan
Does this stay the same if he keeps the added velocity and has a great next few starts?
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by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Even though I might dislike Villalona more than anyone on this site, he’d still hold at 4 in most people’s eyes
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
dislike is the wrong word
“have more concerns” might be more accurate
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm kind of the same way
when people make poor man’s ryan howard comparisions, i think willie mo pena. i still have hope though
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by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
he doesn’t have Howard’s walking ability.
Yes, he’s young, but his walk rate has gone down every single year (it’s at 2% right now). There are just so many problems right now with his approach and conditioning that it needs to get worked.
He probably should not have been in high-A right now and will definitely need to repeat next year
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Miguel Cabrera
There is the hopes he follows the Miguel Cabrera career path (Cabrera’s track record wasn’t too different at this age), but Cabrera completely turned it around in his age 20 season, so we’ll see if Angel can do the same.
I’d definitely say that Cabrera’s career path is more indicative is that it still could happen for him, but the odds are definitely against him. Still, most prospects can’t even be mentioned in the same breath as Miguel Cabrera, so that is why he is still regarded so highly)
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Even with their recent success in other areas
I’d have to agree that the Giants are about the worst organization in baseball when it comes to teaching plate discipline. They can get away with it when they have player like Posey who already have it, or guys like Sandoval who can function without it, but Villlalona isn’t in either of those categories. He needs a serious lesson in patience, and this team isn’t likely to teach him.
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I don’t know if the problem is so much “teaching” plate discipline, it’s more that they don’t look for players who have it when they’re drafting, trading, or signing free agents. It’s tough for coaches to change the habits of these kids and veteran players, when these habits have gotten them as far as they already have. I think it’s finally starting to change with this organization, as you see the more recent signings and draft choices are players who are more patient at the plate, like Buster, Gillaspie, and even the kid RafRod.
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I fully agree in most cases
But Villalona was signed as a 16 year old. If it’s at all possible to teach plate discipline, this is the ideal situation to do it.
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Jeez , how difficult can it be?
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 19, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I though t he would be at 12.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 17, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I really think so think so think so think so…
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 17, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
if the trade does go down and it is alderson angel, he is regulated to the bullpen after johnson comes back so how much does that hurt his development then, or does that aid his development?
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by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 9:45 PM PDT reply actions
where did these rumors even come from? I see the fanshot and Grant’s front page, but that’s literally the most I’ve heard about them.
I really don’t think this is even close to being realistic, and if it was, one of MadBum/Posey would be in the deal
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
yesterday’s rumor that I reported came from WFAN in New York, and the NY Daily News.
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how come mlbtraderumors hasn’t reported it? I’m not doubting you, it just seems like they would
by NeifiChicken on Jul 17, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If the trade went down I would roll the dice on Aldersen.
For this seasons pennat chase Haladay should provide more innings then Sanchez. After next season it would be possible Alderson would be almost ready to reach the show. In that would leave the Giatns the abitly to let Haladay walk yet keeping the payroll in check ( to help with keeping Tim & Cain) and takeing compensaton pick(s) to recharge the farm.
Presumming we get to pick which one of the three to keep.
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Why make that assumption? Zito may well go to the bullpen with Johnson relegated to 5th starter.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 16, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Villalona being young isn’t an excuse. It’s a reason. And it stops being valid once he stops being young.
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I didn't mean excuse so negativly
but if he is such a great talent, a year or two difference shouldnt make a crazy large difference. i know ryan howard hit only like 19 hrs his first year in the minors however i would like to see him excel in his strength which is his power no matter the situation. Hitters have slumps and i understand that but when he goes long stretchs without and xbhs or dingerz which he seems to do reading the minor lines it worries me. the strike outs and such wouldnt worry me so much if he dominated with his power when he did hit. All i meant is sometimes home team fans are willing to overlook problems because of youth
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by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Howard Was 22 In His First Full Minor League Season When He Hit The 19 HRs You Refered To.
Villalona was just 18 last year when he hit 17 HRs. I See no reason to not expect Angel to be hitting more (perhaps even significantly more) then 19 HRs when he is 22. Your problem is that you are not giving this teenager the time he needs to become a man.
by giantsrainman on Jul 16, 2009 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
i didn’t realize howard was that old in the minors. I never meant to belittle Angel i was just wondering is his potential worth more then an improved Sanchez, if Sanchez can maintain at least a part of what he was in his last start. Maybe not a shutout every night but is a consistent sanchez worth more then 80 power and potential? I prolly would go with V too i was just wondering what the general thoughts here on McC were
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by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
A consistent Sanchez is worth A LOT
Seriously, if he stops with the tease and lives up to the potential, he’s better than Cain, and perhaps not much worse than Timmy.
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That’s the thing, though. A year or two makes a HUGE difference. At that age there are huge, rapid developmental processes going on physically and mentally that probably won’t even out until his mid-twenties. I’m not saying there aren’t reasons to be worried. But I’m just saying that being a year or two younger than his peers is a very big deal. Even for a great talent.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 16, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Hanley Ramirez for instance had a very impressive first minor league year at 18 in rookie ball. Showed numbers similar to Angel in Augusta at age 19 the following year, with only 8 HR, made AA at age 20 and did well, but repeated at age 21 in 2005 and struggled….
The key here of course is he was young at every level. Villalona has been as such too. If not younger than most prospects.
In fact as I’m looking up tons of dominican prospects right now, Villalona has been more advanced and produced better than a lot of guys. The walks thing is troubling though I must admit. But his power and hitting ability seems to be legit, which creates optimism for me that he can improve his BB total in the future.
don't worry
Angel will develop patience at the plate when he becomes a Giant.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 17, 2009 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
which guys?
Guerrero had him beat easily. Hanley’s approach was much better. Cabrera is your best hope, but he also walked a lot more.
Don’t get me wrong, Villalona can still be something very special, but I think he’s a cointoss in terms of which way his career will turn
by NeifiChicken on Jul 17, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This
I really don’t understand people freaking out about Angel right now. Not only does he need to physically mature, but his baseball smarts need to be learned. American style ball is a lot different, he was basically playing sandlot until 2 years ago. American kids start learning this in travel ball before they even start high school. Not to mention acclimating to a new cultural environment and language. He’ll likely repeat A+ and that will be good for his baseball training as well as continuing to adjust to American life with his foster family. A very important program, especially for the latin guys.
by Rorsavelt on Jul 17, 2009 3:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Angel really has only been slumping for a month. The first two months of the season, he hit .308 and slugged .470. It’s the 27 games since the start of June that has been bad for him. So I wouldn’t get too worried.
I’d trade Sanchez first, Alderson second, and Villalona third out of those three.
Actually, the guy I think is a great trade prospect? Henry Sosa. Electrifying prospect with an unproven career but a ton of potential, expendable with the depth of quality pitching prospects, and right now he’s performing as strong as he ever has.
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 16, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions
performing as strong as ever?
If I’m not mistaken, haven’t his K rate fallen apart and he can’t even manage a 2.00 K/BB ratio?
by NeifiChicken on Jul 17, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
He doesn’t turn 19 for another month. Prospects like Angel will struggle at times, but when they figure it out they blow up.
Blow up, that doesn't sound good.
He’s 19 and already limited to 1B. Much more inflation and it’s DH time.
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Pablo Sandoval is huge and is able to play third base, and from what I’ve heard of Angel’s quickness, for a big guy he’s very agile. The Giants’ moved him from third, not because they didn’t think he could play it, but because they wanted to advance him through the minors quickly and they thought that learning to play third would hold him back. I think Brute made an excellent point about how Angel WAS having an excellent year and just hit a slump. A kid his age is going to struggle more in a slump than a veteran is, and it’s going to last longer. He’ll be fine. I’m not worried about him in the least at this point.
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It’s also a lot easier to be agile and athletic when you’re a big guy if you’re still on the pup side of 25 (arbitrary multiple of five, I know). I wouldn’t even put good bets on Pablo continuing to be as quick and athletic as he is for more than a couple more years unless he gets a handle on his size.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet he already has handles… love handles!
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 17, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely
He’s going to have to get in shape if he wants his career to progress after a certain point. Not saying that he won’t, and playing third, as opposed to catcher, will help.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I don’t know if he’s quick and agile, but I’ve heard that he’s currently a mediocre 1B at best, and “lazy” about his defense (which, if I understand the code correctly, means that he’s prone to flubbing routine plays, not that he’s necessarily lazy).
But then, this is all based on anecdotes from internet scouts.
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Not a good sign
to start off as a bad fielding 1Bman. And doesn’t that say something about athleticism?
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 17, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I have been to 5 San Jose game this year (which I realize is a small amount of baseball to see) and Villalona has been consistently awful at first base. I have seen the lack of effort that Keith Law from ESPN talked about, and also some good old fashioned butchery. He will never ever ever play 3B in MLB, and I think it’s going to be interesting to see whether he can even develop into an adequate MLB 1B.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 17, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been to 3 games this year and he seemed average over there. Gillaspie is pretty bad at 3rd though.
I’ve been to about ten games and I’ve seen both the bad that FLS has seen, plus the brilliant defense Villalona can play. I don’t have problems with his glove per se, but I think it’s a mental issue for him when he makes bad plays. There was a poor choice to cut off a throw from right that probably would have made a play at the plate, for example.
Gillaspie however, I’m concerned with his range. I don’t remember anything concrete about him having trouble going to his left, but I saw shades of that this year.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 18, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
you have seen him play brilliant defense?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 18, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw him make a fantastic snag on a liner down the line. I’ve seen him make great digs in the dirt at the first base bag on throws from third.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 18, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, if you say so
I am having a hard time believing that
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 18, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rate Sanchez above Alderson
The stuff is significantly better, and proven at a major league level. My list
1. Bumgarner
2. Posey
3. AnVil
4. Jonathan Sanchez
5. Tim Alderson
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Same here
Sanchez’s potential to turn it around, as he did a week ago, is much greater than Alderson’s potential. Sanchez (26) isn’t that old in that respect. Great pitchers with outstanding k/9 have been slow developers in the majors – Kofax, R.Johnson, Ryan. Not comparing Sanchez to them, but his potential to be a top of the rotation starter is real. In 2006, the year he came up to the Giants, he had a 13 + k/9 in AA, and 11 k/9 in AAA. Admittedly he was 23, but Alderson has a 6 k/9. Even Bumgarner only has a 7 k/9.
The debate as to Angel is purely speculative. I dare anybody to say how how a kid who’s a year out of high school (in terms of age) and struggling in A+ Ball is going to turn out. From that point of view, I would put Sanchez above him as well.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 17, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
why does everyone feel so different abotu Sanchez since last week?
It was one game people. If he shows that command 9 times out of the next 11, then we might be talking, but it was just one, albeit amazing game.
The book on Sanchez is still the same, if he can throw strikes, he will be good. He proved he could do it for ONE game. Nothing is different, not yet.
There’s really little reason to feel any different about Sanchez this week than you would’ve thought two weeks ago
by NeifiChicken on Jul 17, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
For what its worth
I’ve felt the Giants should stick with Sanchez all along. Despite all of his inconsistencies, he has a career 4.10 FIP. Cain’s is 3.90. If that is his starting point, it’s not unrealistic for him to improve to an above average starting pitcher, especially with a career 9 k/9. Alderson, even Bumgarner, has a long way to go to get to that point. Not that they don’t have the ability, but there are so many things that can happen between now and then. I think if it in terms of probability. And more so with Angel.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 17, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda funny but Sanchez next start Monday start will go a very long way in determining if he is any good and has in fact turned the corner. One Ah Sh&t would wipe away any Atta Boy
I would say his next two starts considering with the long lay off between the no-no and monday. Only Big Head would think 2 Zito starts are a better idea then sorting out Sanchez status ( his he now hot like last June or was it a blip) right before the trade dead line.
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Can somebody please explain...
…how everybody seems to “know” about Alderson’s stuff? Seriously, I doubt many of the faithful have seen him pitch in-person, and since he’s only 20, I have a hard time believing that his velocity is maxed out, even if he’s only throwing in the 88-91 range. I haven’t read a ton about him in Baseball America, KLaw chats, etc., so I’m just not sure where all of this new evidence about average stuff is coming from. Can somebody point me in that direction?
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 17, 2009 11:57 AM PDT reply actions
Considering Alderson pitched in San Jose for about a year and a half in San Jose, I say there are a good number of us who have seen him pitch in person, myself included.
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I get that
But the negativity wasn’t there early this year like it has been since he moved up to the Defenders.
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 17, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you’re misinterpretting the perception of a lower ceiling for Alderson as negativity. He seems like a very sure thing for a prospect, just without the stuff to ever really become an ace.
by Missing Barry on Jul 17, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, and I’m not quite sure why I feel like I need to come to his defense… it just seems like the angry mob has decided that he’s not as good as the happy mob thought he was only three months ago, you know?
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 17, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No No. I’m sure everyone here would be more than happy with Tim2 in the rotation for years to come. It’s just that from a utilitarian perspective, if we are to get any high impact bat in a trade, Alderson would be our sacrificial lamb so to speak.
No one wants to see our beloved Caincecum in any trade scenarios and MadBum’s ceiling is just through the roof. On the flip side, Sanchez has yet to be consistent enough to command an impact bat.
by SeeingStars on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes sense. I guess a big part for me is that I would much rather they not trade ANY of their top-4 prospects at this point. We’ve waited years to have a farm system like this and I would rather not sell the crop for a hired gun, unless, of course, it guaranteed a ring.
At the beginning of the year, I would have been thrilled if somebody told me that this team would finish the year at .500. Now? I want more. We all want more. But I don’t think they should trade any of the top guys on the farm when those same guys can set us up for sustained success.
In short, I still don’t trust Brian Sabean.
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 17, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t changed my assessment of him. I still think he’s a talented young pitcher with good stuff and I still think he’s a more complete pitcher than Bumgarner. He’s hit a bad patch. I’ll wait to see what comes of it before I throw him to the dogs.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 18, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Depends what you are trying to trade for.
Say the rest of the season is like his 3 starts you might be able to flip him for utiltiy infielder type. Maybe a prospect that was once well thought of but is now in that teams dog house and has not established himself in the MLB something like that. That team needs cost controlled B.O.R. badly enough to make it happen so i wouldn’t hold my breathe.
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by daveinexile on Jul 17, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
And what do you think another team would give you for Lewis?
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by FireBrianSabean on Jul 17, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
we always undervalue our own guys
When u have talent, even if it has not totally come through yet, it has value. Must I remind everyone of the Joe Nathan Trade. A lot of giants fans thought he sucked. I saw him pitch live before the injury, and commented on a blog that this guy has John Smoltz type stuff. It took him a couple of years to fully come back from injury, but that trade haunts me every freakin day. No I wont get over it.
I completely disagree that fans ever undervalue their own prospects. Reading this blog there is all kinds of overvaluing of Giants prospects and prospects in general. Joe Nathan was a unique case, I think it would be a mistake to make generalizations based on that.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 18, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I possibly dislike Sabean more than anyone on this site, but he has almost never gotten burned by trading prospects. He drafts pitchers and, other than Cain and Lincecum, as a rule he trades them. Even Liriano (sp?) is damaged goods at this point. Foppert, Williams, Ainsworth, the guy who got us Schmidt, were all mush by the time he traded them. I think fans on these sites tend to overrate their prospects, not in terms of their current ability, but in terms of the probability of them becoming successful major leaguers.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 18, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez to me seems like a not so different case.
He has the stuff studs are made out of, If they learn to harness it. Yet we think it will take him, at 455,000, plus a bunch of prospects to get a known quantity who has already peaked and is making mega-millions. Back when we had no real prospects, we may have done some overvaluing, but now, when we have some genuine prospects, we are certainly undervaluing what we have. Because I do not live in the Bay area, I hear what other teams have to say, and it seems to me, other teams seem to value what the giants have in the pipeline, more than we do.
+1 re: Sanchez
He has the tools to dominate and he has shown that he can. It takes great concentration to pitch a no-hit no-walk game, even against the Padres. My point is that is more probable that he can develop into a + stater than almost any prospect can. Plus, he is found money, the Giants can continue to pay him diddly for awhile.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 18, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez's real problem is Zito.
If Sanchez really was the “found money” starter, as you put it, the guy at the back of the rotation who will probably churn out 170 IP of 5 ERA ball, but might, just might, turn in something a whole lot better, then I think fans would have a whole lot more patience with him. Unfortunately, Zito’s already filling in that role, and his contract makes him immovable (either from the roster or the rotation), so suddenly the pressure’s on Sanchez to actually produce in a way that it probably wouldn’t be if he were a “normal” fifth starter. Some of the frustration people feel for Zito gets channeled to Sanchez simply because his contract situation allows the team to actually demote him, trade him, or send him to the pen and Barry’s does not.
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That's kind of wierd logic
But you might be right.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I see what you mean
But I still think that people would be more patient if it weren’t for the fact that we’re on year 4 of Sanchez’s big league career and he hasn’t shown much improvement. If we were talking about Sadowski or Pucetas or one of the myriad AAAA-type 87-89 mph FB, RH starters that would be in essentially the Tomko 5th starter spot, people would accept the 5 ERA mediocrity. Those guys just don’t have the ceiling of a Sanchez, so we’re basically happy if that type of pitcher doesn’t walk everyone in sight.
What’s different about Sanchez is that he does have the electric stuff, the wicked slider, all the potential in the world. Unlike most 5th starters, Sanchez really could be an ace, and it’s frustrating watching that potential slog along without showing consistent improvement. Last year at the break he was 8-5 with a 3.97 ERA, 9.3 K/9, 2.17 K/BB, and he really looked like he had put it together. We were looking at three aces – Lincecum, Cain, and Sanchez.
Then in the second half he just cratered. Even had he faltered a bit in the second half, we would have had a 4.50 or so ERA guy with roughly a strikeout per inning, and how good would he be with the improvement typical of a young pitcher? But no, he has to fall apart completely. Then this year, he regresses further, adding a whole BB/9, and it looks like he’s never going to put it together.
THEN HE THROWS A NO-HITTER. There’s Jonathan when he puts it all together, and we want him to pitch to that potential. It’s just so much harder to watch potential unfulfilled than it is to watch a guy do the best he can with more meager gifts.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true.
I forgot that this is year four, because I don’t really look at it that way. Usually when a team moves a promising prospect to the bullpen to get him to the majors, fans b1tch about setting him back and nothing really comes of it, but, in this case, the Giants constant inconsistancy in his role has probably set him back significantly. Between having to re-adjust to a starters load and the WBC, I think fans should have expected a down season from Sanchez in 2009, just as they should have expected a second half slump last season. And it’s more than just the changing workload, Sanchez only has ~580 professional innings under his belt (that’s majors and minors), which isn’t very many for a starting pitcher at his age. For comparison’s sake, Matt Cain pitched nearly 400 minor league innings in 4 seasons (really 3, his first season was draft and injury shortened to 19 IP), Sanchez threw about 250 over 4 seasons. Two of the (numerous) knocks against against Sanchez have limited repertoire (he’s essentially a two-pitch pitcher, his third pitch, the changeup, is a work in progress at best) and inconsistency of mechanics, both of which could be attributed directly to his lack of game experience, particularly his lack of innings in a minor league environment conducive to instruction, rather than the majors which are focused entirely on immediate results.
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tl;dr?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 20, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Kind of like a Trent Dilfer response: If it doesn’t end after five seconds, you know it’s gona go on for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time.
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I laughed.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 20, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez only has ~580 IP for his entire minor-league and major-league career?
WOW. I was not aware of that.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 20, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
When Sanchez really frustrates the heck out of me I go look at Schmidt’s career before he finally got it together and kept it together. It actually helps.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
That's a scary thought.
It would pretty much be my nightmare for Sanchez (or any prospect) to make us suffer through five and a half crappy and/or injury plagued seasons before breaking out right in time for his first big contract. Chilling.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Yet that is the way it ussaly is with young arms. And of the few that put it together quickly most of them ussaly get the crap abused out of them before the get out of their mid 20’s.
Of coarse I think on it too long I get pissed at teh Front office for peeing away 2 seasons of development time just to help the big club lose 90 games. So to stop that it is time to find some PIE!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
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