The D-Backs are Haunting Me (AKA why I may love the Halladay Trade)
by tyrannoman on Jul 16, 2009 6:13 PM PDT
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I, like many others 'round these parts, believe that the Giants are set up for an extended run of excellence. The farm system seems loaded, most of the youngins' getting a long look this season are meet and/or exceeding expectations, and there is a lot of payroll that's going to be freed up this coming offseason. Hey, the Giants' are even ahead of schedule, win wise. All this aruges against trading for Doc Halladay, a go for it move if there every was one. However, there is the Curious Case of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Loaded with prospects, a little ahead of schedule in 2007, good times are here to stay!! Or not. Nearly all of their young players have failed to develop the way nearly every expert expected (and a lot of us amatures as well).
I guess the real question here, and one that I'm not smart enough to decide for myself, is do the Giants' try for the blockbuster Halladay/Rios trade and go for it now, when they clearly have a chance, or keep the prospect core intact moving forward?
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I believe what the D-Backs are experiencing is the exception rather than the rule.
by I'm_a_Man on Jul 16, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OTOH
Tampa Bay Rays
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by Natto on Jul 16, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
we don't have nearly as much talent as them
especially in the outfield.
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drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 17, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t have as much as the Dbacks do/did either. The comparison is flawed from the start.
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by Natto on Jul 17, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not compairing the Giants and the D-Backs talent on the field. I was trying to voice the difficult process of deciding to make a huge trade, and give up a lot of talent, or stay the course.
by tyrannoman on Jul 17, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's even more difficult for the Giants
because they have less talent to give away
She Hate Me
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drained J-Kiddesque running floaters over him all night long last time we balled" - prezofdeath
by cloudydays on Jul 19, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure how the D-Backs story make you want to trade for Halladay. If anything, it should do the opposite since they traded the farm for Haren and haven’t been to the playoffs since.
Anyways, trading for Halladay/Rios shouldn’t cost us the farm. If it does, it seems like an obvious no.
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by marcello on Jul 16, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good point. I’m not saying the Halladay trade (or any other blockbuster of this sort) should be made….it just seems that playoff chances are sometimes not there for even the most talented farm systems.
by tyrannoman on Jul 16, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the D Backs prospects have been great.
Upton and Reynolds are great hitters, Drew is solid, Jackson is injured
I dont know why theyre losing
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 16, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well theres that
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 16, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Young secretly ran away to Europe and is letting his twin brother play?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jul 16, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They angered the warlock Randy Johnson.
hee hee hee (snort) hee hee hee
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No , wait...
…here’s why (An’ it’s TRUE!)
Because Jim McLennan (The Pit’s Grant) once told me that we should“…enjoy your run of mediocrity , because that’s the best you can manage.”
Or something like that.
The Ken Kendrick Kwality KarmaKarmaKarma Kameleon has bitten them in the ass…
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The KKKKKKK sounds really racist.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jul 16, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than twice the bigotry!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 16, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."
From the same good folks who brought you the more relevant
“So , we* continue
To continue
To contend.”
*damn right I took liberties , what of it?
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at 1/2 the price! Can’t turn that deal down.
by tyrannoman on Jul 17, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Webb on the DL
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 16, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probrally the main reason they are losing?
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
by big beaner on Jul 16, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the D-Backs “D”, Webb would be leading the universe in unearned runs.
by tyrannoman on Jul 17, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the reality is that they sold the farm a year after they graduated their most talented prospects.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving up on Carlos Quentin wasn’t too smart, either.
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by cornball on Jul 18, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAUNTING YOU
Status: Has a feeling that tonight is going to be good night. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
by GiantBrass on Jul 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do the Mario!
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by Natto on Jul 16, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the IRS Most Wanted!
As a fan of the 70’s A’s it pained me to see most of the images brought up in my search weren’t of Fingers in green and gold but in Milwaukee or SD unis.
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the top of the Christmas card list you go!
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 19, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zavada's is actually a really good story.
His dad died recently and he quit baseball in order to literally take care of the family farm. Now he’s back and his moustache has a 1.69 era in 23 appearances.
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by jhiat00 on Jul 17, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might not have to sell the farm in order to get the deal done. If the Mets can get Santana for what they gave up, It’s not out of the question for us to get Halladay and Rios for something like Sanchez, Alderson, Crawford and a lesser prospect
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 17, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is basically the real question.
Would you be willing to give up Alderson, Villalona, and two ML-ready players (like a Sanchez, Sadowski, Winn, Molina, etc) to get Rios and Halladay this year?
My general thought when it comes to potential trades this year is unless we’re getting Hanley Ramirez or Prince Fielder, Bumgarner and Posey are untradeable. Obviously Lincecum and Fourth Guy Who Doesn’t Have a Cy Young What a Pussy are staying put, Zito will never get traded, and trading Panda would result in riots throughout the city.
But packaging Alderson and Villalona together for a guy who seems to always be right around 20 wins, an ERA around 3, and pitching more complete games in a season than the entire pitching staff of most MLB clubs, plus a very talented outfielder who would love to take advantage of Triples Canyon and has given occasional All-Star worthy performances, is INCREDIBLY tempting. Imagine a 3-4-5 with Rios, Sandoval and Molina. Then, as your mouth begins watering but your brain says “NO, WE CAN’T, WE CAN’T”, think about Lincecum-Halladay-Cain.
Is it trading the farm away? Sort of. But if we can do this and manage to get Halladay for a few years, imagine the insanity of Lincecum-Halladay-Cain-Bumgarner-Sanchez-Zito. That’s right, SIX MAN ROTATION MUFUCCAAAZ. (that is assuming Sanchez would stay, which I think, after throwing the no-no, is a given)
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by Gabafnerhagen on Jul 19, 2009 5:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim on five days' rest.
…sssssmokin’…
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 19, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tim on anything besides what he is currently doing? fail
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by Headhunter Rollins on Jul 20, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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