The Giants and Roy Halladay
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 16, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
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PrintI like to think of myself as a slave to logic. If you tell me that Player X is available, I’ll evaluate the player, the Giants’ needs, and the player’s cost before forming a preliminary opinion. Maybe that all happens in a split-second, or maybe I’m futzing around FanGraphs for an hour, trying to pretend I know how defensive statistics are calculated. But my decision will ultimately be based in logic.
And yet I’ve been mumbling "Lincecum, Halladay, Cain" under my breath for about a week. People don’t sit next to me on the bus anymore. This isn’t like me.
I know the Giants’ needs go something like this:
1. Second baseman who can hit2. First baseman who can hit
3. Anyone who can hit
4. A marketing intern who doesn’t touch every donut in the box before making a selection
5. Starting pitching
So it makes no sense to trade huge chunks of the future for another starting pitcher, much less one who’s under contract only through next year. The Blue Jays would probably want something similar to what the A’s got for Dan Haren, except Haren had a couple of years left on his deal. Halladay makes the Giants better for the 40 or 45 starts he gives them over the next year and a half. The difference between Halladay and another pitcher is a few wins, to be sure, but there aren’t any guarantees that a few wins will mean more than the difference between third place and third place with a few more wins.
And then I sit back in my chair, twiddle a pen around my fingers, and mumble "Lincecum, Halladay, Cain" over and over and over. It makes me feel like those office dorks who pump their fist when they hear that Jessica Biel broke up with her boyfriend. There’s no reason the Giants should give up six years of Madison Bumgarner, even if he isn’t a sure thing, for another starting pitcher. The hitting equivalent would be something like a year-and-a-half of Albert Pujols, and most of us would go a little goofy for that idea. But this is another starting pitcher.
Posey stays. Bumgarner stays. Well, I mean, he almost certainly stays. Surely they’d ask for either Posey or Bumgarner, but we couldn’t. Maybe Bumgarner, then, but certainly not Bumgarner and Alderson. That’s just crazy. I mean, maybe if it were only Bumgarner and Alderson, and we didn’t throw in Villalona. Well, okay, all three, but that’s it. Just toss Sanchez and Schierholtz on the pile, and call it a day.
Lincecum, Halladay, Cain. Halladay, Lincecum, Cain. Lincecum, Halladay, Cain. Halladay, Lincecum, Cain. Lincecum, Halladay, Cain. Halladay, Lincecum, Cain. Lincecum, Halladay, Cain. Halladay, Lincecum, Cain.
Phew. I think I’m better now. You can go back about your business.
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Jessica Biel broke up with her boyfriend????!!!
/pumps fist
DOUBLE SWITCHES AND MATCH-UPS, THAT'S WHAT BRUCE BOCHY DOES!
link? lol
things like this dont happen everyday you know..
Uncle Sabes...How much longer til we get there?
Einhorn is a man? OH MY GOD
Proud new co-dad of Travis Ishikawa. And ishikaBOOM Goes the Dynamite.
by Andy from DC on Jul 16, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
“your gun is digging into my hip…. oh god”
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."
/plunges face
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 16, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade for both Mat Holliday and Roy Halliday & nickname them both “Doc”.
This will confuse the Dodgers (especially Manny), thus tossing them into a 3 month slump of epic proportions.
Win.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live - too rare to die."
nah. If Rios were coming too, I’d be interested. If not, pass.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions
The Opposite
Wouldn’t do it if Rios were included. We inherit a $70 million contract for a better-than-average-less-than-good hitter whom we would get between ages 29-35. I know that left to his own devices Sabean wouldn’t spend the money any more wisely, but logically the Giants should be able to achieve this type of OF upgrade a lot more efficently.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 16, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Better-than-average may not be “good” in your book, but it sure beats the crap out of most of the rest of our lineup, and Rios is a monster on defense if I’m not mistaken.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Seriously. I’d like to see Rios in the middle of this lineup. His defense would also be an upgrade in the outfield.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
An absolute upgrade
I just don’t like his contract. 7 years $70 miliion is a lot for that offensive production, albeit it comes with very good defense. However, Sabean probably considers Rio’s contract a screaming bargain.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 16, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s why there is a probable salary dump/trade to happen, somewhere on the roster, if that deal goes through.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
Or, as mentioned, maybe Winn gets thrown in.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 16, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
MAYBE KAWAKAMI WAS RIGHT?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
Rios is lost at the plate right now, lately getting moved all around the lineup (most recently to the No. 7 spot) in hopes of getting his bat back.
Since Rios would have to get used to a new league after underachieving on offense all season, his defense wouldn’t be a large enough improvement over Schierholtz or Winn (if at all, since he’d have to get used to playing at Mays Field, which is quite a bit different and more challenging than Rogers Centre).
If we took any expensive outfielder off the Blue Jays’ hands, I’d rather have Vernon Wells than Rios because while Wells is also struggling to an extent, at least he has a better track record offensively.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not that big about Rios, but he’s ten times better than Vernon Wells and you’re nuts if you think otherwise.
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Wow
you are factually wrong here.
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I look at the 28 year old Rios and see that 292 BABIP ( down from his carrer 328 BABIP), see his LD rate down by 2% vs carrer average, notice his O contact & Z contact is about average and see slump for .
I look at the 30 year old Wells and see a 279 BABIP (down from a carrer 295 BABIP) with an LD down %4 vs career average and I see never coming out of it again.
As for glove Wells played CF last year for 889 innings and posted a -24. UZR/150. Rios played CF for 522 innings last year and posted +23.8 UZR/150. Even with small sample sized variations that is a marked difference.
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All I was saying was that since Winn and Schierholtz are good defensive outfielders, I’d rather get a power boost than overpay for a similar player. I don’t want Wells either, but I think he’d at least hit 10 homers for in the second half. I doubt Rios would. I know the game isn’t just homers, but I guess I’m just really glad the Giants didn’t trade Lincecum for Rios.
That’s all.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree Wiin and Nate are good defensive out fielders. I would say Rios is better then both.
The other thing is just how long should the Giants keep sending Winn up VS LHP? Personally I think the season is old enough , and if the team belives it is in the chace, they have to platoon Winn tell farther notice. That is not so much of a problem with Rios.
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I agree with you on both points. I just think Rios is incredibly overrated due to his athleticism. He’s an excellent defender, but if he can’t hit more than 25 homers in Toronto he’d have a hard time hitting 15 here. If we’re going to overpay, I say overpay for power (right-handed, preferably). But I’m not pining for Wells and his contract, which is even worse than Alexis’.
Winn should get a little time to see if he heats up in July, then platoon him if he doesn’t. I’d say the road trip is his test. If he can’t hit lefties by the time the Giants come back home, it’s platoon time.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough. Agree to to disagree on the hommers. I think what he would lose in homers he would gain in doubles & triples.
I am also biased because I think Rios would be able to play very good CF in the NL West and our system is real neeked of anything for CF that is likely to come up in the next 2-3 years. I think he would allow the Giants’ to have a very good RF that would provide more SLG then Winn has the last few years without a defensive down grade.
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LOLraiders
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Wells has been a bum offensively 2 of the past 3 years, and has been even worse defensively for the past 3. He’s not good anymore at all.
Are you counting this year? Because I know he sucked in 2007, but I’d take his injury-shortened 2008 and his numbers in 2006 over anything any of the Giants’ outfielders have produced offensively in that time. And this year he has 9 homers and 13 steals, so it’s like all the sudden he’s Jason Giambi.
I don’t want Wells either, but I really don’t see how he isn’t a better offensive player than Rios throughout his career.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes counting this year.
And who cares about what Wells did 7 years ago. The past few years show him to be on the decline. He’s an injury prone guy who’s still on the books for 100 million dollars. DO NOT WANT.
I don’t want him either, but I want Alexis even less.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Where’s Kim Batiste when you need her him?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This makes no sense
you want a worse player who’s making more money more than a better player who’s making less money? What the hell?
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At least Vernon would change the team a little. Rios is like a younger Randy Winn. I don’t want either, but why is everyone on Alexis’ nuts?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than Vernon Wells
And younger….and cheaper
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I don't want either guy
All I’m saying is why try to trade for Rios when what we have is already similar?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Um
because what we have isn’t similar.
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Similar enough to not pay huge prospect fees. Rios is not a superstar.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody said he is
and nobody’s advocating “huge prospect fees”. Pay closer attention to what people are saying.
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10.1 WAR over the last 2 years
His defense is plus-plus and his bat is decent. Schierholtz would be lucky to be as good as him
Pull up the WAR of our outfielders if you could. Just to show that Rios is better
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He isn’t a bad player, but we’d have to give up Alderson + Villalona to get him, forgetting Halladay completely. I get that he’s good defensively. But why trade for a guy who won’t change the team that much?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I really doubt it would take that much
that’s a strawman argument, I’m not sure anyone is advocating giving up that much for Rios alone, especially since Tor is desperate to unload him
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I don’t know how much I’m disagreeing with anyone here; I just don’t want the Giants to give up anything for Alexis Rios. I think the Blue Jays would ask for more than we’d ever imagine for him, because Rios is a brand name and every GM knows how bad our offense is perceived to be.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
No he isn't
the blue jays don’t think he’s worth his salary. He is. They’re not going to want that much for him, because they want to dump his salary.
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The Jays were demanding Lincecum for Rios just two years ago. I know it isn’t statistically proven, but there’s no way the Ricciardi is going to come back and let us have Rios for a pu-pu platter. Too much ego involved. We’d have to give up at least one of our best products if we wanted Rios. Otherwise Ricciardi might as well just resign.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
well then we won’t get him. I’m pretty sure you’re wrong though.
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Just to show what kind of a corner the Jays have painted themselves into they are already on the hook for a larger pay roll next year then this year. This is before a single Free agent, arbitration hearing a minor leaguer called up for a league min.
Here will show you the Jay averaged 29,626 at home in 2008 compared to at 22,839 home this year. On the road they averaged 30,262 in 2008 this year they averaged 25,905. For a team that has been in front of their division race pretty much all season to lose 6,787 seats a home game ( and all their beers, garlic fries, hot dogs, parking etc) is a huge issue. They are in finscal melt down and pride has little to do wit things at this stage.
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finscal
awesome.
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/ trudges back to Grammar Sin Bin
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it made me lol though!
I think I’m going to start using it. Nothing wrong with that
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Glad it made you laugh. I am also glad you called me on stepping too far over the Pale.
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the reason I thought it was funny
“finscal” is like a mix between financial and fiscal. Though I guess they do basically mean the same thing
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And that was exactly what I did. I started thinking “financial” and realized “fiscal” could be substituted. My fingers must have been farther along than i thought and well add in poor proof reading.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m finscally unsound!
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Rios was 5.5 last year
Rowand was 1.4 last year, Winn was 4.5 and the rest haven’t logged enough innings for it to matter. He’s significantly better than what we have.
Speaking of that
This stretch of off days makes me miss football a bit
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I think
I dont really pay attention till the end of the preseason though
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There's stuff to watch this year though
QBs and Crabtree
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yup
CRABTREE. GET PUMPED FOLKS
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God I hope so
JUST GIVE THE GUY HIS SHOT ALREADY. Jesus christ, all he does is win. What more do you need from your QB?
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Hey
if he’s good enough to win the job then fine. I’ve been one of his supporters from day 1. We’ll see in the PS, but I’ve already seen that Shaun can handle it. It’s up to alex to prove he can put his superior athletic ability to use.
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Trust me
he’s FIANLLY going to be good this year. Shaun Hill loves to throw him the ball.
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I'm pumped they got him
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My friend played against him in football in high school
Wouldn’t stop talking about how dumb he is though
Meh
might be dumb, but he’s pretty damn good.
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He was AWESOME in the QB skills competition…for whatever that’s worth.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He's very good
just takes him awhile to figure out what he needs to do in an offense
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I love that he doesn’t throw using the laces. Dude’s arm is incredible.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 16, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
yessirr
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No laces = fumbles...
That is one of the reasons he wasn’t drafted. That and he’s 5-11 in high heels.
When I played I was a triple threat.... Stumble.... Fumble.....Grumble....
by scespy12 on Jul 16, 2009 9:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He was drafted
in the 5th round.
And people didn’t like Frank Gore because he was injured too much. And Tim Lincecum was too small. People say a lot of things to talk themselves out of taking really talented players.
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exactly, you know i see him starting if he does well during practice and all in 2 years all he needs is a few years, but how are we gonna keep 4 QBs, since we also got Huard
Huard is just insurance
if Davis turns out to be decent then they just let him go.
BUT
If alex is good this year then he’s the guy from here on out, and I see that as a distinct possibility. But this is a discussion for NN
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Winn has never had an ISO over 193 in any given year that I can find with a carrer 135 ISO. Rios has already had 2 seasons with better than that. Even in this year with his slump Rios is hitting 154 ISO which is something Winn has not done since 2005. I get you don’t like Rios and I am cool with that but really he is much better.
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He was +23.9 runs on defense last year. None of his other seasons were close to that good, but he’s always been in positive territory.
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It’s actually about a 5.5/63 or a 6.5/75. And he’s very good.
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Can we add Zito and Wells to any deal since their numbers are identical?
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After this season, Wells is owed a minimum of $98.5 million, while Zito is owed at least $83 million, so you’re correct.
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I saw that Wells has a negative WAR andis the secon worst defensive player in the league behind Adam Dunn. Maybe
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Well, nevermind then!
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by NuschlerFace on Jul 16, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He used to be good! And one of my favorite non-Giants
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Alas, poor Vernon
It looked the the sky was the limit with his age 24 breakout year. Who knew it was going to be his high water mark?
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
If we can’t upgrade the hitting, then upgrade the pitching. But upgrade the hitting. And I would say we need a corner outfielder more than a first baseman.
Well, one’s in his first full year, another’s in his second partial year.
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I forgot about Torres. I guess it is is first full year. He’s also in his 30s, so that hardly seems to count.
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We need good outfielders. We do not, right now, need a good outfielder more than we need a good first baseman.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
And what “good” first baseman is availible that is the same extent of an up grade Rios would be over our OFers?
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Rios is sporting an OPS in the 730s. I know, I know, he’s a mix of Roberto Clemente and Willie Mays in the OF, but I think the likelihood of Winn rebounding in the 2nd half is about as good as Rios doing so, and at a much lower cost.
I have no illusions that a Nick Johnson/Adam LaRoche is a MASSIVE upgrade at 1st base over what we’ve gotten thus far at 1st, but I think that Ishikawa will get worse instead of better.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Ishikawa has been good since his slow start. OPS + over 110 for 2 1/2 months. Also combined that with gold glove caliber defense at 1b.
And why can’t the Giants have Winn and Rios in the same OF?
even with that great play he’s still sporting a .326 wOBA(WELL below average for a major league player), as opposed to .376 for Nick Johnson. I like Ishikawa but if we can get Nick Johnson for nothing(Valdez-type), we should take him.
I would love Doc. If we can somehow get Alex Rios too even better. I’m pretty sure Sabean won’t be trading Posey or Bumgarner, those 2 are about as untouchable as it gets just from the cut of his jib. But anyone else sounds fair game for the most part that is in the minors.
I’m hoping Riccardi is as dumb as he sounds, plus he owes us for Hillenbrand.
The nice thing about having Halladay is that at worst we get 40-45 starts out of him where he wins about 30 of them (his career win % is .671) and he would give us a nice boost for the stretch run. Also would given the Giants flexibility to make trades either this winter or to at worst trade Halladay at another date for prospects or let him leave in FA and get 2 draft picks via compensation.
Having a playoff rotation of Lincecum, Halladay, Cain with Randy Johnson/Zito (who both are accomplished playoff performers) in tow as backup is a damn nice thing to have.
And then of course if the Giants can somehow get Rios dumped in there that is just gravy, since it would give them an All-Star caliber OF for the next couple of years.
Wins are wins — whether you get ’em with better pitching or better hitting. If the deal makes sense, why limit our options?
Because eventually a team reaches the limit of what it will win with one vs. the other.
My belief is that we are winning just about all the games we can with just pitching. We are not, however, anywhere close to the maximum number of games we could be winning with some basic upgrades on offense.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting- seems right.
Looking back over this season most of the Giants losses were, in fact, due to them not doing anything offensively.
by cybermaldonado on Jul 16, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually looked it up.
It turns out that EVERY SINGLE GIANTS LOSS was due to them scoring less runs than the other team.
Coincidence?
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Funny, My Research Found Them All Due To Allowing More Runs Then The Other Team.
by giantsrainman on Jul 16, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
my research shows
that capitalizing every word in a sentence causes cancer in lab rats.
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I Am Not Buying This.
Replacing Sanchez with Halliday for 15 starts to finish 2009 should be worth almost 3 wins to the Giants and I see no offensive upgrade the Giants have any shot at making that could even come close to making this much difference. Our starting pitching has been the best in baseball because of Lincecum and Cain. The other three have collectively been average. Upgrading one of these three to the level of Lincecum and Cain again adds almost 3 wins and this impact is not limited at all by the fact that Lincecum and Cain are already great.
by giantsrainman on Jul 16, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I.....agree?
With GRM? Very strange new world I’m living in here
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I don't think we necessarily disagree
It is just that it is much easier to find average-to-above-average hitters than it is to find Lincecum/Cain level of pitchers. Obviously, Halladay is and I’m not saying we should not get him if we can. I would feel much better if he also came with Rios— and obviously with the proviso that it be on terms we can live with and not lose our future.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Also as much as I want Halladay, I’m pretty sure that if the Phillies wanted to they could get Roy pretty easily. They just have to be willing to part with one of their 2 young athletic OF prospects in Taylor or Brown and Kyle Drabek. But my guess is they won’t do that since Drabek would despite his inexperience be an upgrade over half their rotation, and it’s not like Ibanez and Werth are long term solutions in the OF.
FWIW, the Phillies GM said they will not pursue Doc since the Pedro deal is done. I also think the BJs are set on getting rid of one of these huge contracts along with Doc, and the Phils don’t have the money to take Wells or Rios. I think the Phillies are out on this deal
I’m pretty sure the only team that could take on Vernon Wells is the Yankees. Rios is the only other guy they can dump with Roy.
I kind think if the Jays dropped either Wells or Rios ( who are we kidding Wells is only moved if the Jays have loaded gun at teh other teams head) they could resign Haladay. Which would then improve their leverage when talking about tradeing Haladay or just keeping their fans from a general revolt or both.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
this doesn’t quite fit the post, but maybe it does,
so i’m watching pti on espn, and the third story of the day is bob ryan and mike wilbon BOTH advocating for a team to trade for Barry Zito. I couldn’t believe it! Don’t suppose any GMs out there are listening? this might help add on Rios’ Salary or Halladay’s extension. Lincecum, Halladay, Cain. Lincecum, Halladay, Cain
What was their reasoning?
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
Contracts aside, would you trade Lincecum for Halliday straight up?
Me neither. Lincecum, Halliday, Cain.
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live - too rare to die."
I was kidding more than anything, but obviously I wouldnt trade Tim for him because Tim is much younger.
However, if the playoffs started tomorrow and I had both, it’d be a tough call.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
if wright makes an accurate throw on the double play he gets himself through the inning. yeah, he was a little pumped up and his pitches were high. and he hit jeter. but if wright makes the play and pujols is able to field the ball on jeter’s score, he’d have gotten through the inning. it’s the defense that didnt’ back him up, don’t put that all on timmy. he’s still my number one for game one.
Um, yeah. You and literally absolutely everyone else.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
In a one game playoff, I'd go with Halladay
…and have Tim ready in the bullpen.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
From Toronto’s perspective- could they really do better than Sanchez+Alderson+Villalona+scraps for Rios and Halladay?
Thing A
I think that's the question
Because that deal might get done, assuming the Giants can afford the $.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 16, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
without a contract extension
probably about right. Although I’m guessing they want a top top prospect
How’s this?
Sanchez, Alderson, Bowker or Nate, Burriss, Valdez.
They get 2 good arms in Sanchez and Alderson, a young cheap OFer in Bowker/Nate, a young MIF with speed, who if he can ever learn to hit would be a starting MIF for someone, and a bullpen arm with potential to be a set-up/closer.
we need valdez to nick johnson after our deal with the jays. if we’re going all in, we might as well go all in
we need valdez to nick johnson
I’d prefer him to be more careful with a razor in his hands
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Nick Johnson isn’t doing nearly as well as he did earlier in the year. Ishikawa is probably a better bet then him in the 2nd half. In fact since May, Ishikawa has been pretty damn good.
Ishikawa OPS + by month:
April: 45
May: 110
June: 132
July: 118
It’s just a question as to whether you think it is sustainable. Last I checked, his peripherals looked fluky.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Yes I think it’s sustainable. Him having an OPS around .800 I think is pretty capable for Ishikawa. Combine that with his defense and price and he’s pretty valuable for the Giants.
I don’t think any of the other 1st baseman on the market are really an upgrade over him. What you get back in offensive production you lose in defense. Every single guy on the market is below average defensively.
Nick Johnson can turn on a 92 MPH fastball
I’m not so sure about Travis Ishikawa. I know he can hit 4th starters, I’m not sure he can hit good pitching.
+1
This is why I have doubts about TI’s future.
by Squire_Boone on Jul 16, 2009 4:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, his problem is that while he has good power, he has to get long in order to generate that power. That length leaves him unable to adjust once his front foot is down, making him a guess hitter and easily fooled.
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OT: Toinight's Fresno LOLINEUP
CF Velez
3B Rohlinger
C Posey
1B Guzman
LF Borchard
2B Downs
RF Horwitz
SS Wald
P Kinney
Velez makes that team something to think about… in a laughable way
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
This looks so right....
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
id get that!!
in blanket form!!!!!!
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
Check the avatar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
brings a gentle feeling to my mouth
(I/E smile)
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
Did you listen to baseball today podcast for 7/16?
Peter Pascareli went on record to say he’d take Posey over Wieters.
Small Rant to Follow
Prospects are so overvalued. Once a guy reaches the Bigs and struggles a lil, everyone readjusts expectations (Jay Bruce, Wieters), finds the next unproven/unDISproven talent in the minors and anoints him the “next big thing”.
That said: Posey>>>Bryce Harper
Do you have a high rez version of that?
I will delete 30 gigs of porn on my second hard drive to make room for that. I wouldn’t need them anymore.
Who pitches with batting gloves in their back pocket?
by The Double Deuce on Jul 17, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
!!!
Classic.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
I see the Rohlinger at 2b experiment lasted for all of one game…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
it probably failed...
just like the letting him swing expiriment…
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Two bites at the apple
At the insistence of Toronto I would eventually include Bumgarner in a deal for Halladay. Seriously doubt any deal without the inclusion of either Bumgarner or Posey would get the deal done.
TWGS!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Toronto is not in a position of negotiating strength. Few teams can add payroll to begin with. Everyone in baseball knows that the Blue Jays want to cut payroll for whatever reasons….another thing NOT in favor of the Blue Jays is that 2 clubs that could take on payroll reside in their own division. So obviously those are not options, as it would either cost NY and Boston way too much to take Halladay away from Toronto to make it worth their while. Philly apparently is out of the running. The only remaining teams with the ability to take Halladay either have much worse to offer the Blue Jays or the only real pieces they have of value are already established and important pieces in those team’s postseason hopes (ie LA Dodgers)
I’m fairly certain the Giants don’t have to give up either Bumgarner or Posey, who are two of the top 10 prospects in all of baseball. Will the Blue Jays try to get one? Sure. But if they are really that desperate to get something for Halladay they’re going to have to accept less. This situation is somewhat similar to Johan Santana in Minnesota. Halladay either has 1 year left or will leave via FA, and only a few teams can afford him to begin with. And the teams with both the prospects and payroll flexibility don’t have to give away their very best.
Toronto folds it tent and waits for winter
Roy Halladay is under contract through 2010. Toronto does NOT have to trade Halladay. They are not under the gun. They can just fold up their tent and wait until winter when ALL teams and not just contenders then could bid on one of the best pitchers in baseball.
pilling on
… the Jays get teh added chance that some of those injuried Pitchers come of the DL. That gives them more options.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
They can do that yes, but I still think they will get less leverage in the winter. Less service time you get out of Halladay and Toronto is still the one that seems desperate to cut payroll in any way. If someone comes to me NEEDING to get rid of something, than why would I give them the very best of what I have in exchange?
Question
Before doing a deal like this, doesn’t Sabean have to get ownership approval if he’s taking on huge salaries?
With Sue Burns condition what it is, I wonder how that’d work.
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Technically Neukom Represents all the owners right?
I mean he briefs the ownership on decisions, but he is enpowered to make decisions like that isn’t he?
There are 30 principal partners including Neukom and Burns. Neukom is the one who manages them all. I’m sure they would have a round table discussion, or in fact are having discussions about probable deals right now with Sabes.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard they had some extra cash on hand, so maybe not. But if they didn’t have cash on hand they would have to ask the owner for cash so in most cases yes, in this case I think not.
Plus, THE MONEY WE HAD FOR CC SHOULD BE USED NOW
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t they say Neukom had a meeting with Sabean last week about just how much payroll they could add?
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
One of their first bullet point on why they're not going after Manny Ramirez
they want to have to ability to add salary at the trade deadline
Was watching PTI...pleasantly surprised SF related news was on espn
Talking about if Zito should be traded, and should teams take a risk of getting him…
BOTH of the guys said basically yes. He just needs a change of scenery, and if a team has the money then trade for him…
Mind boggling that any team would take on the albatross that is Barry Zito, but if Sabean can pull it off, he’ll be my hero.
by californianotter on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions
In a motha flipping millasecond
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
u don’t think he wants to get out of SF? He’ll waive that probably.
by californianotter on Jul 16, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Is that even Accardo? One hella of a beard.
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
mustache connector fail
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Leather vest over a t-shirt would also be acceptable.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I forgot where I saw the statistic
but Halladay is a different pitcher after the all star break. I mean in a bad way.
by californianotter on Jul 16, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions
career split
Pre ASB:3.61 ERA
Post ASB:3.25 ERA
3.25 ERA?
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jul 16, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
His ERA is .26 less than our current team ERA.
which is tops in the NL.
Wow.
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i'm interested, so long as it doesn't cost us Posey or Madison
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Fun fact
Giants pitching leads the NL in the following categories
ERA: 3.51
Shutouts: 13
Strikeouts: 694
Strikeout-to-walk ratio: 2.22
Bullpen ERA: 3.25
Not so fun fact
The Dodgers are second place in most of those.
Judgment Day is coming
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My fun stat is Bums starters have thrown 498 IP and relievers 302 IP.
Giants Starters 535 IP and relievers 246 IP.
It would be a nice sign is the gap in ‘Pen usage continues to grow.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
Having watched a few Dodgers games Joe Torre runs right thru his bullpen. Seems like he uses Broxton, Bellasario and Troncoso daily. Colletti is gonna need reinforcements by August.
Just like his Yankee years. Seriously though he need at least a pair of his starters to regularly get through the 7th each turn through the rotation over the next 6-7 weeks (I don’t think that is going to happen) even with fresh ’Pen arm(s).
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
calolifornianotter
oops!
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I think you’re thinking of Haren.
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Callers on KNBR cant seem to differentiate Holliday and Halladay
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Callers on KNBR can't seem to differentiate their ass and a hole in the ground
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 16, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The stupidity level of some of them is off the charts
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The stupidity level of some almost all of them is off the charts
FYP
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
I called Ralph and Tom the other day
and they have no idea what I’m talking about when I said wOBA and BABIP. Although they were running short on time and Ralph did ask if I can call back in the future, and that they’d love to both learn something from me and make fun of me at the same time.
Tom just asked Bill Nuekom how Pablo was passed up in the draft.
I like Ralph and Tom, and stream them from AZ, but I’ve yet to be impressed with a radio host’s baseball knowledge.
fixed:
Toms a basketball guy with pretty good knowledge of football. Ralph is an annoying moron.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
When "Mr. T" joined "the Razor"
I believe the universal response across the Bay Area was, “Anything that means less Ralph is an upgrade.”
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
I hate every show, and every host on that awful station. If there isn’t live sports on, I’m not listening.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jul 17, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It's been a while, I think I'm doing this right...
WE NEED MORE DINGERZ!
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
Chest Swipe, nose-wrist-left ear-belt-hand touch, bill grab.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 16, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
;)
Has anyone pointed out that if we acquired Halladay, Matt Cain would actually be a third starter?
Everybody loves money
Another thing to consider is that if the Giants cannot lineup their rotation for the playoffs because they are fighting down to the wire for a playoff spot at least one if not two of the the Three should still available to pitch game 1 in any playoff series.
And Zito and Johnson both have extensive playoff experience AND success. So if for some horrible reason they had to pitch a playoff game I can’t say I’d be scared or upset.
+∞
I remember chewing off several sets of fingernails the last few times they went to the playoffs, especially during that year which shall not be mentioned…
That year which shall not be mentioned
I think that all of the giants recent playoff appearances would fit this description
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
So would this be the first time both of the current year’s starters for the All Star Game would be in the same rotation? Would have to be, right?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
This was one of my first thoughts
That’d be awesome.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Catch him in the act
Get a picture of him unblowing a save, and jctGamer gets his 30 gb filled again.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
- Jim Baker, ESPN.com, May 2002
Bumgarner took a no hitter in to the 6th
lost it to an infield hit
Jason Heyward would have completed the no-hitter. MADBUM SUX
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I really hope he is working on his secondary pitches
and not focusing on throwing fastballs by people. He doesn’t have much to prove. We know he can throw a fastball by minor leaguers. He needs to be able to throw that slider.
He’s throwing a ton of them now, especially compared to when I listened to his first couple starts, but he’s having a hard time throwing them for strikes. I like that he’s still throwing them anyway because he could easily strike these guys out with his FB, but that wouldn’t help him get ready for the bigs.
exactly. He shouldn’t worry about his stats but instead use the next 2 months to work on throwing that slider for strikes.
The no hitter into the 6th is nice, but he walked 4 and hit a batter. That doesn’t scream MLB ready to me.
also threw a wild pitch and struck out only three. He’s so good that 0 runs on 1 hit is a bad performance.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
his pick move is deadly
He walked the first guy in the 5th and picked him off almost immediately
Didn’t Lincecum have a game in Fresno where he pitched 6.1 innings and didn’t allow a hit but he walked a ton of guys?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
and those that think he should be brought up this year
the reason why his walks are up and Ks are down is because he doesn’t have a good feel for his off speed pitches at all. It sounds like the batters are sitting on his fastball(says a ton about his fastball because they still can’t hit it) because he doesn’t throw his off speed pitches for strikes at all.
This is pretty much a consensus opinion at this point, IRC
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
The only role I would think they would bring him up for is a relief role where he could get away with his FB and change
Luckily there’s no need to do that the way the bullpen is throwing currently.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
Affeldt is left-handed. Therefore, he has the exact same lefty specialist qualifications as Bumgarner.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Not to pull a californianotter or anything, but I believe Affeldt has a reverse split. In any case, the bullpen is it stands is getting lefties and righties out pretty well. It has been awhile since we could say that.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Prefer another LHP in pen for playoffs
Phillies: Utley, Ibanez, Howard sometimes Victorino and Rollins
Cardinals: Ankiel Rasmus and Duncan and Schumaker
Dodgers: Furcal, Hudson, Loney, Ethier and Pierre
Can spot the “other” LHP earlier in game and save Affeldt for game situations
You do know that righties can get lefties out too, right?
Have you heard this?
If not, I have some big news for you.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
/double switch
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Also, Sanchez will probably be in the bullpen for the playoffs.
There you go. Two lefties.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Based on zero innings in the majors. Good call.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You do realize that Posey doesn’t have a hit about A-ball, right?
You do remember that, right?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
wow
just wow.
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Winn
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 16, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez has proved plenty in AA.
Just like Bumgarner.
Not as much, but he was very good in AA. And then he got to the majors and OH MY GOD HE WASN’T AS GOOD.
Sanchez has proven much more in a major league bullpen, by the way.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
BUMGARNER AND POSEY ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE ON OUR TEAM
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THATS WHY THEIR STILL IN THE MINORS
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Some of Bumgarner’s stats puzzle me. Some of the above information helps to make some sense out of it.
ALSO- Posey grounded out to short in his first AAA at bat. Dude is so overated!
I'm listening to the game online
Doug Greenwald sounds exactly like Hank.
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
LOL MARLINS
BTW, MLB Extra Innings is in free preview mode. Take advantage of it if you miss baseball.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions
He has to have a Account on here, I wonder who he is
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CB30
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 16, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody else here hear about Kemp?
By the way, although i am not a fan of everything Dbruce says, i listen to it everynight since i need to hear people bitching about stuff, and listen to somebody that has a different point of view on things, and yea i agree with most of what he says, i dunno, it’s just me, shame on me i guess, but i’m a loyal giants fan and like to be real here, and i kinda think he is most of the time
Bruce is a Cubs fan. He hates the Giants.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
don’t care? haha, i mean doesnt take a giants fan to talk about them. I mean i can talk about the Cubs even though i’m not a cubs fan, but i kinda see your point, where you’d rather have a fan talk about your own team… i dunno
My point is that he proposes deals that do not make sense for the Giants. He does this because he can care less if the Giants succeed. In fact, Bruce would prefer it if the Giants were continually terrible. It is absolutely killing him that they are winning.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He said the Giants still should have signed Manny after the 50 game suspension. Any Giants fan knows that would have been dumb.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
Alot of the times i just never take the guy seriously, and just take it as sarcasm, just like i do Brian wilson, but his goes WAY over the top, and of course he says these things to get people to call into his show to get people to talk. It makes for an interesting conversation. He hasn’t seen a giants team that has done anything like this since he’s been here, so i guess i can see where he’s coming from. I’m just another fan like you guys but i guess i just interpret things differently… i dunno i find him pretty good most of the time, but yea there’s times he just says something dumb
I can listen to his show without getting mad, he just says some things that make me shake my head.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
He’s just trying to rile people up to have his little show. I got sick of his woman bashing, his snide remarks about gay people, and his whole insipid straight out of Kansas act, there’s only one other thing that makes me turn off my radio faster: We make the phones ring….
This reason this type of show fails..
Is that he says ridiculous crap, people call in to call him on it and he cuts them off and talks over them. If you are going to talk smack, at least have the ’nads to get some smack returned at you. His act has been played out by literally hundreds of talk radio hosts over the years. It is stale.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, there’s other people on KNBR that do it too, and yea it’s totally agreeable, i’m just sayin i’ll listen to him just to hear what he has to say and what other fans gotta say about shit, and it can get pretty entertaining, but yea you’re right, it pisses me off when people just automatically cut them off and don’t let them talk… It is what it is
OK guys we found damon bruce's account name
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You're wayyy too defensive of the guy.
Radio DJs (especially this guy by the sounds of things) can’t take ANY criticism. I just find it interesting that you’re responding to EVERYTHING someone says about him.
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Honestly? i’m really not being too defensive i’m just speaking my mind. Plus i’ll admit i’m totally new to blogging, like i said i came here just last week, and have been just reading what’s gone on here for a while, but forgive me for responding too much, i guess i still need to get the hang of things
Honestly, I think you are doing fine. Nothing wrong with expressing an opinion. Even if it is wrong. ;)
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
WHATEVER DAMON WE KNOW IT'S YOU
SHUNNNNN
/doesn’t actually know who damon bruce is
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You are fortunate.
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
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by Zetsuboushita on Jul 16, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, crap...
…that was YOU on that bus? Sorry about the mace. I thought you meant you wanted to trade Cain and Lincecum for Holliday. You can understand my mistake, I hope (if you can read this).
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
The Madres are built entirely out of fail. Even Adrian looks like crap.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions
pssst
I have Ian Stewart. I know how you feel.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 17, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Trust me
this is not a good place to ask about fantasy moves. I’m surprised lars hasn’t SWOOPED in already.
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HALLADAY AND HOLLIDAY ARE DIFFERENT NAMES
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 16, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Bumgarner for Halladay? You’re nuts! I think that you must just judge things by what is most exciting and in the headlines everyday without reference to any kind of logic or analysis. Halladay has probably two to three good years left. Plus, he’ll probably leave after the rest of this season. Bumgarner has a chance to be as good as Lincecum. If the Giants have Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner all on the same team and Bumgarner is as good as expected, there really is very few cases in the history of baseball that are similar to that. It’s like Smotlz, Glavine, and Maddux. You’d potentially have all three of those guys until at least 2012 and hopefully much longer.
Besides, I think this years team isn’t going to be as good as next years team or other teams in the next few years. It doesn’t make sense to diminish your future like that for four months of some guy that is 34 years old and didn’t he just miss a start or two to an injury?
I guess you didn’t have anything to write about today.
you fell in the sarchasm
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Less spleen, more noggin.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
FTWandy
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STFDodgers
WANDY RODRIGUEZ BITCHES
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LOLDGERS
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God, this week has sucked. Can we play some Giants Baseball already? You know, the GROUND ATTACK, and RICH ORLYA PROMPTLY GIDPs, and BOWKERMANIA, and PANDAMONIUM, and NO HITTERZ, and and and
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jul 16, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions
LOL DODGERS!
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9th Inning
Suck it, Martin
James LOLney
Orlando Hudson singles.
Mark LOLretta
LOL DODGERS
Status: Has a feeling that tonight is going to be good night. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
LOLDGERS!
And wayrod FTWin for my fantasy team. BEAT THE BUCCOS TIMMY
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by bondslegend on Jul 16, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
We haz armz.
We needz batz.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
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Where would a Lincecum, Halladay, Cain, Big Unit rotation rank all time?
I think it would be close to top 10, maybe even top 5.
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C’MON GIANTS BRASS!!11 GET OFF UR HANDZ
The strongest force in the universe is back in the big leagues, brother. So whatcha gonna do, Russell Martin, when the walks, the dingerz, and the power of Bowkermania run wild on you?
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 16, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions
OH NO
The missing piece of the Rockies playoff puzzle has been found! We’re doomed!
Judgment Day is coming
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The strongest force in the universe is back in the big leagues, brother. So whatcha gonna do, Russell Martin, when the walks, the dingerz, and the power of Bowkermania run wild on you?
by rightcenterfielder on Jul 16, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I lol'd irl
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Right, left, right, left
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 17, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Because the pen’s well rested after the break and a Timmy start.
by Duelling Brandos on Jul 17, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
also
hard throwing righty, dookie throwing lefty, hard throwing righty. That has been a combo almost as oldat the game itself. Hopefully the #2 spot does nto cuate Zito to blow a fuse in his brain but now is teh time to find out.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
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Hard throwing righty, dookie throwing lefty, hard throwing righty. That has been a combo almost as old as the game itself. Hopefully the #2 spot does not cause Zito to blow a fuse in his brain. Now is the time to find out as well.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
Brandon Phillips
…seems like a player worth trading for. A young, speedy, hard-hitting, gold glove winning shortstop on a losing team. He’d fill the #1 need on this team, as Grant pointed out. I wonder why a deal hasn’t been discussed with his name floating around?
I don’t know the details of his contract, but he seems like someone worth the Giants’ top-level prospects. I suppose he’d either cost too much or the Reds GM thinks he doesn’t need more talented youth to turn his team around.
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meant to say 2nd baseman, not shortstop. It’s 1:52 am which probably explains my post in the first place
From the media reports, it doesn’t sound like the Reds have given up yet.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
This..
I can’t remember the last year Jocketty sold at the deadline. I am not sure he even did it in the 90’s. This is a team though he should be thinking 2010 with Bruces injury IMHO.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
Jays dump salary AND get top prospects??
No way that happens. If we take salary, we give them players and a few prospects (and not the best ones)
"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
My how fast we lose sight of the big picture...
What happened to “As long as we can compete is 2010?” Now it’s “We need another Ace?”
Unless the deal for Halladay is completely one-sided, I say we pass.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
Circumstances change. Gotta change with them.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Take advantage of the situation we are in right now.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 17, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Going home from work, I was listening to KNBR, and I heard Damon Bruce say something like…
I was on a site that I’d never read if it weren’t up in the bullpen, The McCovey Chronicles — they, uh, don’t like me too much there…they insinuate that I sleep with some of the other hosts…they’re not big fans of me, but that’s okay. And they reported a WFAN rumor that..
My biggest pet peeve: When people assume that this site is one collective hive of groupthink, and that all of the FanPosts are from authors of the site. I don’t think that I’ve ever mentioned Damon Bruce. It’s like reading criticism on an ESPN messageboard and saying, “Well, the goons in Bristol just hate me.”
But it was sure amusing to listen to.
ATTACK!!!!!11
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Jul 17, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone knows we’re really a collective hive of grougthink.
By the way, which of the other hosts do we insinuate Bruce sleeps with? I wanna make sure we’re all on the same page.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 17, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You are extremely influential
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
Extremely influential, that is Groug.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
This is not a hive?
And you are not our Overlord?
/bans self
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
For the record
I would translate this quote:
I was on a site that I’d never read if it weren’t up in the bullpen, The McCovey Chronicles
…to mean that he is all over this site all the time.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant and Damon are like Jekyll and Hyde?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
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