Big Trade With Toronto?
by rxmeister on Jul 16, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
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We could be getting Rios and Halladay?
I don't know where he got the rumor but Evan Roberts of WFAN just reported that he's heard the Giants are discussing a blockbuster deal where they would send Jonathan Sanchez and prospects to Toronto for Roy Halladay and Alex Rios. I don't know who the prospects are, but the other day Roberts was trying to think of the name of the kid pitching prospect the Giants have, and he couldn't remember his name so you can't expect him to remember the names involved here.
Roberts was saying if the Giants pull this off the wildcard race would be over, and the Giants would probably even catch the Dodgers. I'm down with this in a big way as long as Bumgarner and Posey aren't involved, but you figure if the Giants take on this much salary, they should be able to hold on to their elite prospects. I would also expect them to take back a contract for this year like Randy Winn, although he could have them on his no trade list.
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uh. wow.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
July 16 must be Canadian April Fool’s Day…
There’s just no way Evan Roberts of WFAN (who can’t even remember the names of the prospects we’d be dealing) gets the BIG SCOOP on the Halliday trade. No freakin’ way. The Canadians are laughing the tops of their heads off right now.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 16, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This is Evan Roberts... No Freakin' Way!!!
the only big scoop this clown gets is at Dairy Queen
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 16, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
HA!
back in my day we wanted to be like magic larry now these days all you guys talk about is try to be like mike or becoming the next lebanon james
Definetly lives with his mom
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 17, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Please no MadBum or Posey
Alderson, ok. Villalona, maybe. Probably one of Nate, Flew, or Bowker going to Toronto. Just guessing here.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
I, like, porposed this a few weeks ago
At that time I thought about Bumgarner, Crawford, Sosa + eating Rios salary for Halladay and Alex Rios. If the giants could take on salary, that is, and if the jays take Flew with them for the spot.
Change it to Alderson, and I'm down. Probably takes Sanchez too.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I would be concerned about salary
If we did something like this, I’d be nervous that we wouldn’t be able to pay Lincecum, Cain, and Sandoval the tens of millions they deserve.
by GrooveGiant on Jul 16, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain is under contract. Sandoval is not arb eligible.
Lincecum will get a big payday in the upcoming offseason.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
trust me we still have them all for a while
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by TexasRanger on Jul 17, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It all depends, right?
Halladay and Rios for Sanchez, Neal and Crawford, for instance, wouldn’t be a bad thing, in my opinion. Of course, no way in hell Toronto does that. Alderson for sure. Who else, I don’t know.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
might take more
add Wendell Fairley and it would get done
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Heck
Add Wendell unfairly for all I care!
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you’re they one!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
that’s a big “when”
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
And so it begins once more.
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by Zetsuboushita on Jul 16, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, I guess I wouldn’t mind that deal. Halladay is one of my favorite non-Giants, and I still like RIos despite his past interactions with Canucks, but the prospect of trading for them still makes me nervous.
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by say hey nation on Jul 16, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I got to see Halladay pitch vs. Oakland a couple years back
Dude is intimidating on the mound. He’s HUGE. Seeing him face the Big Hurt was amazing!
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With regards to lack of credibility
Guilty until proven innocent
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I don’t know his source for this rumor but wfan has been reliable in the past. They broke the Renteria signing so fast the parties all denied that it happened all the way until it actually did
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by rxmeister on Jul 16, 2009 11:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
holy crap
i refuse to believe we could actually end up with halladay and rios. that’s a BIG FUCKING MOVE. no way it’s real.
BTW, on a completely unrelated note, the way I held my sanity during the no-no was to keep saying,
“I refuse to believe Sanchez could actually finish this out. that would be a BIG FUCKING DEAL. no way it happens.”
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
We dont need halladay?
I’m sorry? We don’t need 2 cy young caliber pitchers instead of just one? How would that ever be a bad thing? Matt Cain would literally be our 3rd fucking starter. That is insane
And Rios is really good. Wayy better than anyone we have in the OF (maybe Rowand can give him a run this year), and despite what everyone says, is paid about what he’s worth.
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wow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KyBdPeKHg now I know how this guy feels
Oh man!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh Snap!
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
/trips , falls flat on face
face is still LOL
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If it's Halladay + Rios for Sanchez + Alderson + Scraps
I am all over this.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions
I agree, but I have to think that Bumgarner would be included.
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I wouldn't like that
Doesn’t that ruin the rebuilding that we’re doing? Sure, Alderson+ might also, but not as severely.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
no way
Halladay is godly yes but Toronto wants no part of that Rios contract. He’s earning 12-13 million a year from 2011-2014.
then we need to take advantage of that
because he is
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let me ask you this: Did you like Ellis Burks as a Giant? Because Rios has the kind of potention for the next 5 years but with out the bad knees and witha better glove.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d trade Darryl Hamilton for Rios in a heartbeat.
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I never heard of Lamar. Who was he?
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I remember he wore an earring, I think
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Was not that one of the late inning relievers?
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An insurance salesman , perhaps?
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
If serious, Lamar is Barry Lamar Bonds
If not serious, then, um, GOOD ONE.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes , I was being more of an arse then I ussally am. Sorry about that Mayor.
/ lowers rope in chasm.
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Nothing to apologize for, my good man.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I have heard some speculation that this could end up like the Santana situation, where between a no trade and desire for extension, the team trading him has to take a lot less in return. If that’s in addition to getting rid of Rios/Wells contract, I suppose I could see Bumgarner not having to be included.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
That's kinda my feeling
That is a LOT of money coming off the books for Toronoto Next year. Sanchez + Alderson would be a nice addition as well.
They aren’t winning now and with the construction of their division they aren’t gonna win any time soon – so why not dump sal and pick up a few good young players for the future ?
And while we all know that Rios is fairly paid, it has been widley reported that the BJ’s don’t think so and feel that his contract is an albatross.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Looking at what everyone else can offer, can they really beat Sanchez+Alderson+Villalona+dumping Rios’ salary? I don’t think so, but I’m not familiar with Philly’s top prospects who are supposed to be pretty good.
Thing A
Phils have 2 OF prospects who are 5 tool talents and who actually walk. Either one of them is better than Villalona. Kyle Drabek is better then Alderson, and probably Sanchez too. Also Jason Donald is prime trade bait too for the Phils.
Kyle Drabek is actually not that much better than Alderson, they are both pegged as number 2 starters at best
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by TexasRanger on Jul 17, 2009 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
i think the Phillies pretty much lost interest once they signed pedro
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 17, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you seen their rotation? Joe Blanton is the ace with a team SP best ERA of 4.44
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by say hey nation on Jul 17, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I was wrong
I thought I heard somewhere that they lost interest, but it now appears that theyre a front runner
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 17, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
From some of the stuff I’m seeing from Sabean, I doubt he’d trade MadBum.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I believe
it was anounced a week or two ago that they declared Bumgarner off limits.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 16, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
But that's why it isn't going to go down with those names.
If it seems to be too good to be true…it is, unless Sabean circa 2005 is their GM.
Maybe if they really want to get rid of the Rios contract? (which is silly because it’s not a bad contract, but their finances might be in the shitter right now.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah, I don’t get why people think Rios is overpaid. He’s going to get $12-13M per season until 2015 but he’s been a 3-5 win player the past few years. That’s not a bad deal.
it’s not a great deal, but not terrible either. He’s be a great #2 or #6 hitter
by microwave donut on Jul 16, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Could the bad economy have something to do with it? If so… Best. Recession. Evaaar!!
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 17, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
This so isn’t going to happen but the idea of it is very exciting.
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guys guys, i think i just figured out why there aren't more womens on the internets!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
there are plenty of womens on the internets
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Correct me if I’m wrong, but weren’t the Blue Jays trying to trade Rios and his contract in order to have more flexibility to sign Halladay to a long term deal?
Halladay is 32, they might want a full scale rebuild. They should start by firing JP Richardi, though.
this
Or making his extension officail. Either way they need to make lcear who is driving the bus their if they do a total rebuild.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The Halladay thing seems to have gone a different direction recently
I think Toronto has realized that they can’t compete with NY and Boston in the near future.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
That is what I would think.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I would hope an acquisition of Rios would be followed by a salary dump of Rowand or Winn.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yes, Rowand doesn’t leave teh Orange and Black. If rios comes One of them plays Rf anf starts in Cf 1-2 games a week. The other plays CF 5-6 days a week.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I figure Rios would play left and Nate would play right ( if he isnt in a deal).
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Would it make sense for the Jays to take Winn? Give there fans some reason to still watch them, and his contracts off the books after this year.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Maybe if they wanted the possible picks, WInn isnt exactly a sexy name for fans
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Winn would accept arb and get paid a lot more than he would as a FA. no way they offer it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree, and not only that, he’s at the bottom of the list of Type A guys, so he’s no guarantee to remain a Type A
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If he becomes Type B though, isn’t he more likely to bring a pick, since the team who signs him wouldn’t be giving up theirs?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
yes, if he is a Type B he’ll bring back something like the 35th-40th pick. That is really not very valuable
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, to keep the price down, we could really use Bowker’s AAA numbers and use him as one of the main pieces. Nate might not be as highly thought of.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
unfortunately, I think the Blue Jays are aware of what Bowker did in MLB last year and probably aren’t in a tizzy over his AAA numbers
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
That could work out better for us any ways. Say Bowkers makes it well enough to stick that gives the Giants 3 guys to relibley counted on teh hit 20hr a season. Yeh I could learn to live with that.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
With Snider and Lind (and Wells not going anywhere) would they really have much interest in Bowker or Nate? I guess they’ve got the DH spot to plug somebody in, but they dont seem like guys the Jays would love.
Thing A
Yah. I agree that I have hard time seeing the Jays wanting much to do with Bowker. But like I said I am more than fine with that.
I think the reason Bowkers (& Anvil’s) name has come up is the Jays – if reloading – probably have SS & hart of the order bats near the top of thier list. Bowker & Anvil are about the only guys we have that could fit “hart of the order prospect”.
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Rios would be a waste in LF – he has a great arm and some of the best range of any outfielder in baseball. I think, given time, he could be a real GG in AT&T’s RF.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’m guessing they would play him in RF for the rest of the year and talk about a move to CF (with Rowand moving to right or left) in the offeseason
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm longer term I am not so sure about that. The D should be very good in the group but rather try and see if on the farm hands would be able to hit their way on the 25 man and LFat Mays Field would be the least defensively chalanging place to do it.
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Prefer Rowand in SOUTH Chicago
Wish Sabean would get White Sox involved:
White Sox: Rowand
Blue Jays: White Sox/Giants prospects
Giants: Halladay and Rios
Rowand/Rios annual salaries wash. Giants add Halladay’s contract.
One concern coming from players – have read where both Winn and Lincecum – is that the Giants currently have great chemisty and any changes might disrupt that.
yeah, there is absolutely nothing in that for the White Sox
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
right, so what would they want with an overpaid player on a long term contract that should be playing a corner OF position and hitting 6th?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Kenny Williams isn’t as dumb as Hawk Harrelson, but:
1) Rowand is a good player
2) White Sox desperately need a CFer
3) Sox fans LOVE Rowand
And the Sox are only 3.5 out.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 16, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Rios is like a ++ defender. Granted he doesn’t know Mays field but he is THAT good.
Nate then goes back to being the insurance that whomever plays LF has to be rather good and if they are Nate Pinch hits.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Ha, no kidding but man, I would love to put Rios in CF if we traded for him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
WE would have to harpoon The Big Head to hve any chance of happening. Lets see if U.S. Rents has one…
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember last year Rios was leading off at AT&T, he swings at the first pitch and just blasts a double to left. I remember thinking damn, I would like this guy on the team.
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We could have had him for Lincecum. :)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Why dump Winn?
He only has 2.5 months left on his contract and he’s by far our best D outfielder. We’ll need him if we pull make the playoffs – I don’t want to see Bowker, Schierholtz, or Lewis in the OF with a 1 run lead in the late innings of a playoff game.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Why move Winn?
A) 115/127/148 vs. LHP is really not good.
B) If he excepts arbitration he is probably making around $7MM next year. Please look at item A and from your own opinion.
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But “salary dump” implies that you pay part of his salary and get nothing but 1 barely fringey prospect in return. I have no problem trading Winn for something halfway decent, but if we’re going to be paying a lot of his salary for the next 2.5 months I’d rather he be playing for us while he collects. I also seriously doubt that he doesn’t at least double his stat line against LHP this half season. He’s got to regress back closer to his avg.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Fair enough. Agree to disagree.
If Winn was a couple years younger I would buy into regressing back up (ie my current mad fascination with Rios) but once a player gets to his middle 30’s I tend to lean towards " Better a year too soon then a year too late" unless the team is in dire circumstances.
Also if the team is truly going for it the last half of the season just how many pitchers (not named Cain) can you afford hitting in a line up? To me that underlines the whole reason why they should have test driven the crap out of the kids (and other question mark position players) between April and July. If your team is in it you have a real solid idea what a player is capable of doing this year, and not so capable of, and after the All Star break you use them accordingly. Too me Winn, for ’09 , has proven he is a platoon player tell he proves himself otherwise. Just like with Nate or Lewis trying to earn playing time. A manger is not in the business of giving playing time. They are in the business of making players earn it.
Earning playing time brings me to third reason I would move Winn instead of holding him. I have none trust that Big Head will moderate an ageing vets play time to reflect that players current skill(s). He lost that trust years ago and has not done a single thing to earn it back.
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I’d have to guess Sanchez and Alderson would be the main parts going their way, with one of our 2nd tier prospects (Kieshneick?) and one of the ML outfielders, probably FLew.
No MadBum, no Posey, no Neal and no AnVil and I think I’m all over that.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 16, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions
that is right.
We never stop Big O from working.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn, Rios’ numbers are awful this year. Anyone know what that’s all about?
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 16, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions
looks like a lot just massive of BAIP fluxuation to me.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
SSS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
and it's still positive
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It is still very good.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s because he’s on my fantasy team
by microwave donut on Jul 16, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I paid 15 bucks for him. Hasn’t been horrible but probably not worth that.
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I like the deal bleacher report proposed
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/218133-giants-involvement-with-halladay-could-work
Oh yea, that pitches my tent.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
well...
i’d be much more comfortable replacing villalona with alderson.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t. After the end of next season Alderson should be close the MLb ready. The Giants let Haladay walk and take the picks to recharge the farm with and keep overall pay roll almost in control.
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
i’m just more confident in villalona’s future than alderson’s future.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Cool. I get that. You want to limit some to risk and rather take the risk to try and keep the window of good Tim & good Cain open for as long as possible. Fair enough.
/nods
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by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m more confident in Alderson’s than Villalona.
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Yeah
That shouldn’t even really be a point of debate. Alderson could probably survive as a 4/5 in the majors right now and Villalona is mostly upside/projection.
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This
Villanola obviously has a much higher ceiling, but pitchers with Alderson’s control just do not fail completely at the major league level. It doesn’t matter if you’re throwing 85 MPH fastballs if you can put it wherever you want it, and he obviously can. Hell, Barry Zito is throwing 85 MPH fastballs and he doesn’t have great control, and he’s won a freaking Cy Young award.
When it comes to prospects, I’d dump Villanola; there are a plethora of first basemen. That’s arguably the most abundant offensive position, while we see time and again teams that need pitching and have to pay through the nose to get it.
I’d be fine with giving up either of them at this point.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
are we all that down on villalona already at age 20?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
*19
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not down with him but I think he’s a much more risky player than most of our other position prospects and that he’s unlikely to have as much value as Halladay+Rios would have for the team.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
i get that
I just meant in relation to alderson, I guess. I realize that most of us have pretty low expectations for alderson being an impact player, and I didn’t think he was yet interchangable with villalona in a trade deal.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
They’re pretty much at the same level for me- Alderson a much better chance to reach his ceiling but it’s a low ceiling. Villalona a much poorer chance to reach his, but it’s a high ceiling. Sort of evens out in my book.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
this
But I think Villalona’s chance is really really really low to reach his ceiling, so I like Alderson slightly better.
by microwave donut on Jul 16, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Think of it. Lincecum, Halladay, Johnson and Cain. Having Sandoval, Rios and Molina in the middle of the order would not be bad either.
I just had a trouser accident
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I was starting to have one, until I read Molina
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 16, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This thread was so active when I saw it, I thought a trade actually happened
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
We have no baseball today. We need something to talk about.
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Well that and ...
I CAN’T STOP THINKING ABOUT RIOS!!!!!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I see this thread turning into Rolinger-being-called-up proportions.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
Burrcock!
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Keith Van Horn
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
his BABIP this year is off the charts. time for regression!
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Raef Lafrentz
and his expiring contract
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
winn or schierholtz
they’d probably want a replacement for Rios.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
anyone of the following:
winn
lewis
nate
jesus
aurilia
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
all speculation at this point
no need to take this seriously unless it’s confirmed by a legit source.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions
I can't recall-- did any MC Hammer make it onto the 'guilty pleasure' confession thread?
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Almost
I used to be a fan. I owned the cassette!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
You just reminded me...
It was the beginning of the school year back in the mid 90’s and the district hadn’t yet spent the money to buy us all cd players. I went to the record player and pulled an album out of it’s sleeve, and heard one of the children exclaim, “Wow!! Look at the BIG CD!!!”
Ouch.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s either this or talking about guilty pleasure songs!
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Boooooo, you're a downer.
It’s an off day, all we have is rampant speculation!
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jul 16, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
speculate all you want
just don’t get your hopes up
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Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
alternately
Giants could become first team to trade a pitcher after he pitches a no-hitter and before he pitches another game.
Talk about epic fail, even if he ends up looking like the same guy he’s been…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jul 16, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
WHAT!??!
You want us to go back to doing something useful and productive for society? BAH!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I woke up to a text from a friend saying Merkin Valdez for Nick Johnson per Kurkjian on ESPN.
I just got up and I can barely see. I’m trying to figure out if this is rumor or a done deal or what.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 16, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
by WAR not sure if I like this
Nick Johnson and TI aren’t too different
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Our buddy Merkin had been relegated to mop up duty lately. Watch though, he’ll join Martis and become a 40 save closer.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 16, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to agree at this point – TI has improved steadily since the beginning of the year when we wanted to trade for Johnson and NJ has kind of stagnated at a good but not great level (for a 1B).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Jesus, I’d do that a million times. A middle of the bullpen guy with an injury history that would make Rich Harden cringe for an actual MLB 1B.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
with an injury history that would make Milton Bradley cringe
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
well, we’re taking back the 4 month rental, so I’m not all that worried about it. We would be giving up as close to nothing as possible here.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Offensively this year, he’s been a dead average MLB 1B. That’s better than Ishikawa, of course, but will it really make that much of a difference?
Then again, if we’re talking straight up for Merk, I’d do it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I think he'd definitely be an upgrade
but I’d rather not give up on Ishikawa this quickly
don't really have to give up on him...
he’d be a good bench player for a 1/2 year when we cut Richie
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
We probably would have known about it by now if it were.
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I hate Twitter
SFGiantsnews on Twitter was the source. It’s not nice to do that to a person with insomnia. First good sleep I’ve had in weeks and I wake up going WHAT
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
well if alexandra said it…
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
http://twitter.com/federalbaseball/status/2669663095
apparently he said it on ESPN radio
OK
“Is a possibility” is a lot different from “done deal”.
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I said I was trying to figure it out in my first comment.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 16, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I was referring more to that tweet than your post. I didn’t mean to use the same words that you did.
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I am a little frightened by the prospect of ‘10: 40.2, ’11: 42.5 & ’12: 42.5. That’s what we’d be paying to Zito, Rowand and Rios.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jul 16, 2009 11:26 AM PDT reply actions
Yes that is not cheep. But then a a large amount of roster would will be filled with say $60-70MM. #rd, Cf, both T.O.R. spots. Maybe catcher as well (Posey).
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I could live with that. It would be hard but I would force myself too. ;)
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
i get we’re taking on money, but surely a team out there can put together a better package than the stuff we’re piling into this deal. if we were out of this race, there’s no way i’d take those players for our best pitcher and outfielder. AnVil must be in this deal, no?
the thing that scares me if this were to happen is all the salary we’d be taking on might prevent us from locking up Cain and Lincecum long term
it's just rios
halladay’s gone before we have to worry about them.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude I Just heard that Sabathia is willing to give SF a hometown discount. He was totally at a Warriors game the other day! I heard he is rumored to be meeting with Sabean some time this week.
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
by Norm Median on Jul 16, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Don’t be ridiculous. The clubhouse chemistry will be bad enough when they sign Bonds, they don’t need Sabathia in there too.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
DUDE HE’S TOTALLY NOT VISITING HIS FAMILY IN VALLEJO!
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec
Status: Has a feeling that tonight is going to be good night. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
Even if the deal includes Madbum, I wouldn't freak
There I said it.
Getting Roy and Rios would not only improve our greatly post-season prospects this year, it would make us prohibitive favroites next year as well.
For that I’d be willing to give up a lot.
A three-man playoff rotation of Hallday, Lincecum and Cain gives me a woody of epic proportions.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
would your opinion change if Halladay didn’t re-sign with the team?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
/ nods nods !!!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
but what are the chances those picks turn out to be as good as bumgarner? i’d say they aren’t good.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably not very good, no.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
This!!
Keep Tim & Matt Helathy and for teh next handful of years the Giants are about getting cheep ( non Zito division) B.O.R. guys that are better than the divsion B.O.R. Said guys gets hot and be comes #3 for a while and /or gets traded.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Then again
The chances MadBum becomes a Halladay like pitcher probably aren’t that good either.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
so have we completely turned ship and decided to mortgage the farm system to go all-out for one or two years now?? my, how people’s minds have changed.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
No
I don’t really want to trade MadBum for him, but it is true that Halladay is an absolute best-case scenario type outcome for MadBum.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
you do have to take into account
the amount of time we’d control MadBum vs Halladay, which is the reason I wouldn’t do it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Sure, that's a factor
But sometimes when the stars align just so – you’ve got to be prepared to jump
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd say that Halladay
Is a pretty much impossible scenario for Madbum
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
if he was locked up for three or four more years
then i’d be much less nervous about it.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
The thing is, the farm system is so deep now we can afford to give up a few guys without mortgaging the future.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jul 16, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i dunno...
say we gave up MadBum, Sanchez, & Crawford. We’re now looking at a farm system of:
Posey
Villalona
Alderson
Neal
Wheeler
…and a whole lot of very sketchy “prospects” after that
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
not "bad"
but certainly not “deep”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
CANZZ IZZZ HAZZZ NOWZZ PLEASEZZZZ!?!
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
We’d also still have:
Barnes
Joseph (if he signs)
Dominguez
Gillaspie
Noonan
Kieschnick
plus young (cheap) major leaguers like Bowker, Sandoval and Ishikawa.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
yeah
they could be good players, I was just trying to zero in on guys that seem to be headed towards the majors. However, I probably shouldn’t have included Wheeler at this point either.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but we could trade Halladay next year to a contender for a crap load of players
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 16, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
We have not mortgaged the farm
The dodgers mortgaged the farm for Casey Blake. We would still have Posey, Wheeler, Neal, and more picks incoming after halladay leaves.
well, even so...
You’d be giving up an almost sure-fire top-of-the-rotation guy
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
to get a almost sure-fire top of the rotation guy
by jctGamer on Jul 16, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
but just for one or two years…
plus, Halladay’s injury history scares me
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I was not aware of this
My understanding is the guy’s a horse.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Well, he did break his leg that time
Totally made of porcelin.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
didn’t he take a liner off the leg? that could happen to anyone…as we’ve all seen.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
plus, Halladay’s pitcher’s injury history scares me
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
He hasn’t had a major injury since 200.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Roy Halladay voted for Caesar
and he farts dust
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Yeah
Halladay might be the only pitcher in the game I’d make my #1 ahead of Timmy in the post-season.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
For a year-and-a-half of one of the three best pitchers in the game who’s in his prime.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
At a time when you have one of the other best pitchers in baseball as well as another of the top 20
Sounds like a good way to maximize your talent to all be producing at the same time.
Oh yeah, and Rios is pretty good, too.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
This
Trading Sanchez and Madbum would be a steep price, but worth it to feel confident that you’re one of the best teams in the NL for this season and next.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jul 16, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There's a mastercard parody in there somewhere
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
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by Natto on Jul 16, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
too easy!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Dang! where have you been hiding that?
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Jul 16, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
A foot to the groin. A lei. Too much to process.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Jul 16, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno.
From this distance it could be Nick Cage.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesnt help that its an off day and we’ve had no baseball for 3 days
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
Panda and the Expanda-ing Strike Zone
I don’t have an identifying icon with a URL, and don’t know how to post a Fanshot without one (or how to get one), so I am simply locating this one here in an ongoing thread; it refers to an article in BLEACHER REPORT, that one can get to from Deebrizz’s post above, as well as from the URL I’ve given below.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/218676-heres-a-thought-pablo-sandovals-most-incredible-stat has an interesting article about Sandoval and the number of strike-zone pitches thrown to him.
There goes my morning productivity
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions
No one has mentioned
the added benefit of Dodger fans and Rockies fans collectively crapping their pants if we got Halladay and Rios.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
two fan-bases, one cup
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jul 16, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are an awful human being.
Status: Has a feeling that tonight is going to be good night. || Still boycotting Johnsonville and Giants souvenirs or ballpark foods for repossessing my K Wall in right field.
It would be great if they crapped on each other
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Wrong Crapsite!
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jul 16, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ this thread
You guys are insane.
Also, I believe Halladay’s contract was grandfathered from the old CBA in that he can request a trade if he is traded during a multi-year deal.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
Doesn’t he have a no trade though? If he doesn’t want to be a Giant, he wouldn’t be traded here anyway.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Theoretically, he could approve a trade to the Giants to activate the clause. The Giants would have to trade him before some date in March 2010 or he becomes a free agent.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s a pretty unlikely hypothetical.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Just laying it out there.
It is one of his options should this trade goes down. Frankly, I am not sure why he wouldn’t want to test the FA market a year early.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 16, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm positive though they'll ask for Ehire in this deal
They are really looking for a SS prospect to be included in any Halladay package
Would you pause at Madbum Ehire Sanchez Villalona for Halladay Rios?
I’d go for something like
Sanchez, Alderson, Ehire, Schierholtz
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I just don't think Toronto would go for that...
what about:
Sanchez, Alderson, Villalona, Winn
Halladay Rios
no way
Lefties that throw 92-95 are worth WAY more than a first basemen and a righty that tops out at 91
SOLD!!!
SETTLE, SETTLE, SETTLE, SETTLE, SETTLE!!!
I loved Liar, Liar.
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 16, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If you don't have a boner now...
…feast your eyes on this p or n:
RF: Winn
SS: Renteria
3B: Panda
CF: Rios
LF: Rowand
1B: Ishikawa
C: Benjie
2B: Uribe
SP: Halladay
SP: Lincecum
SP: Cain
SP: Johnson
SP: Zito
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
might as well make Zito's start a bullpen game
they’re not likely to get in to the game in Cain, Lincecum or Halladays starts
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Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
by Norm Median on Jul 16, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
should have traded cain and signed Pedro
FIVE CY YOUNGS!!
[music cue] I'm a little tense... could use a massage...
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Vernon Wells for Zito!
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 16, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions
1995 All Star game on MLB Network. RJ starting
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
The Loldgers loved that weekend
I did too.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jul 16, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Get the Jay's to throw in Scutaro too, btw
by FairweatherFan on Jul 16, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It was easy to hear the one or two people yell it out in Oakland Coliseum, because you know, it was always empty.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd do this...
Sanchez, Alderson, Villalona, Barnes, Noonan
but in reality, there is no way this could get done without Bumgarner or Posey in it.
In that scenario, Sanchez, Bumgarner, Noonan, and Tanner for those 2 I could definitely live with, but would probably be too little for TOR
obviously we’d be shedding either Lewis or Nate in this deal as well, but that is fine
by NeifiChicken on Jul 16, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
A stupid advertising gimmick?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I would give up Sizemore, Phillips, and Lee, but there’s no way I’m giving them Zach Day or Larry Broadway.
There was a time when it looked like the only thing that Montreal lost in that deal was Sizemore
And hopefully the Giants wouldn’t trade Halladay away a little later in the same season.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
That's like saying that there was a time when we thought that the only negative effect of nuclear bombs was mass slaughter
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Zito will wake up tomorrow to find his uncle, Patrick Duffy, in his shower.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to read Word Up magazine
Salt’n’Pepa and Heavy D up in the limousine
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 16, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
the Girl Talk mashup of that song with Tiny Dancer is orgasmic
Watch out San... oh, wait, Sadowski... uhh... [fifth starter], uncle Pucetas is comin' for you.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 18, 2009 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I wish Zito would Step-By-Step in front of a train.
Ok, that was mean. How about:
I wish Zito would take a one-way flight to Dallas
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
by Karlifornia on Jul 16, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Victoria Principal... mmmm...
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Where will the rest of Scuzzlebutt be?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The rumor right now is not that JP wants the team getting Halladay to take Rios, but that he wants them to take Wells.
Which is kind of dumb, IMO, because he is just NOT going to get value back if he turns this into a Wells salary dump.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The ball is of course in the Jays' court
They are thinking that there’s no way they can compete in the AL East either now or even a few years down the road since they haven’t come close in more than decade. However, they still have several high paid players on their books for a few more years and I can’t imagine they are drawing huge crowds in hockey country to help offset those costs, especially if they continue to be non-factors in the division and missing the playoffs altogether.
So now, they have a chance to rebuild and get rid of their high paid players with younger, cheaper players. It took Tampa 10 years but they have built a contender with homegrown players in the Jays’ own tough division. They know they won’t get super-spectacular prospects they want for Halladay or Rios simply because teams know their intent in unloading those contracts.
I know the Giants won’t offer the whole farm for them both and that’s what they are looking for, but they have few options left now. In the end, it all comes to this possible scenarios:
1) Keep Rios and Halladay through 09, finish sub .500 and watch playoffs on TV while having spent more than $15 million for both in the latter half of 09.
2) Keep both through 2010, maybe finish over .500 but still bettered by the Red Sox and Yankees. At this time, they have spent more than $25-$30 million on both players but with little results. Halladay walks at the end of 2010 and they have no prospects to show for it.
Obviously, this is likely just a rumor and nothing more but I still feel bad for the Jays that they have to compete with the big spenders and 2 other teams with great young talent in the same division.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
That should read
2) Keep both through 2010, maybe finish over .500 but still bettered by the Red Sox, Rays and Yankees – with the O’s nipping at their heels.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
No way...
…Toronto does this withour Bumgarner or Posey. Not gonna happen. Remember, they don’t have to trade Halladay. They would want…
Sanchez
Bumgarner/Posey
Romo
and another prospect
If it were just Halladay, yes, I would agree with you. I seem to recall reading somewhere that they were looking for 2-A, 1-B, and 1-C type prospect.
However, if they were insisting on including Wells/Rios in the package, then they are certainly going to have to take less considering those guys essentially have negative trade value due to their contracts.
Rios =/= Wells
I know that wasn’t the implication you meant to make, but, well, you kinda did.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
rios nothing special
He is similar to what we already have, Halliday is good, but for a half year or 1.5 year rental, I would not give up the farm, nor the farm plus Sanchez. Giants have a good chance to get to the playoffs right now. Sadowski and Alderson for Halliday OK, but no Posey, no BumG. They take on no salary and we take on a lot of salary. We go for now, because we have other prospects in the fray.
Rios is a substantial upgrade to all outfield positions
He’s not cheap, but he is an upgrade for the next 4 years. Over all outfield positions.
Uh what?
Rios is nothing specail? I can go with you he is not an H.O.F. guy. I can even maybe saying he is not going to be a Hall of Very Good guy. But blah or meh?
/ stamps BANNED
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Sadowski and Alderson for Halliday
I’m hoping this is a joke
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bill Madden in today’s NY Daily News is saying that we’re one of five teams having active talks with Toronto. He says we’re offering just Sanchez and Alderson at this point
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by rxmeister on Jul 16, 2009 1:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
BtB has a trade caluclator up that suggests that 2 top 75 pitching prosects (but not top 25) would be a fair value for Halladay’s expected WAR over the remainder of his contract. Is Sanchez more or less valuable than such a prospect? I have no idea how to value Sanchez because of all the uncertainty around whether he will ever reach his very high upside.
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Link
The Giants have been talking to the Blue Jays about a pitching-laden deal from their end involving lefty Jonathan Sanchez (who tossed a no-hitter last Friday) and their ‘07 No. 1 draft pick, righthander Tim Alderson, in which they would take Rios back as part of the deal. It would appear the Giants don’t have enough parts to get a deal of that magnitude done.
Well, if we added some other parts we probably could, but the question is would Toronto want parts like Neal/Kieshnick/Crawford or Posey/Bumgarner/Villalona?
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
We definitely have the parts if we wanted to go that far. Madden is one of those NY writers who think only the Yankees and Mets have a right to elite players. He even starts the article off by saying the Blue Jays don’t want to deal Halladay within the division, and then he explains why the Yankees should get him.
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I remember a article by the post during interleague play saying “yankees fans get a good look a J. johnson b/c he is your future ace”
I face palmed
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 16, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
i just wish they got zito
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 16, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
anyways all three of them are way over paid
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 16, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s silly. Lincecum is going to be their future ace.
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the players even know it. Last year in a game against Toronto, a Yankee player hit a line drive off of Burnett’s leg. One of the Yankees’ players turned to their trainer and told him to go out there and make sure he’s ok!!
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This might ruin baseball…for everyone…forever
by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 16, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
we absolutely have the parts, what he must mean is that we’re not willing to give up enough parts
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I would probably do
Sanchez, Alderson and Villalona
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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I'm doing thid weird snort laugh right now
and can’t stop
by Great Success! on Jul 19, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s interesting that Rios really is considered to have negative trade value. Why don’t we forget Halladay, take Rios, and get them to throw in Marco Scutaro to solve our second-base problem?
My guess: Toronto's using Halladay as the device for shedding Rios.
They’re a boxed set, not sold separately.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 16, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
more like 1.5 good players for the price of two
I think the reason that we were excited about this idea is that we could give away nothing to get Rios, who would be an upgrade, without giving up some untouchables to also land Halliday when our rotation’s isn’t really the weak spot.
In this scenario, we’d be reverse-leveraging Rios against Scutaro, I guess. GIT R DUN!
by Duelling Brandos on Jul 16, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If that is the case – BIG IF -
A) The Jays front office should be taken out and shot ( After we give them teh Littlefield treatment).
B) Our team better have like 3 differnt teams of doctors look them over from top of the hair cut to the end of their toe nails.
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Toronto's boxed set
Mayor,
I think it’s Halladay and Wells. Either way, neither Rios nor Wells is enough bat for us. I’m sticking with my desire for Uggla at second: he’s having an off year and he’s still better than ANYBODY we have in the system. He blocks no one and gives us a great #5 power guy.
Don't believe everything you think.
Hi, Wes! Long time, no see.
I disagree that Rios wouldn’t be enough bat for us, that is, I don’t think we can know one way or the other. I’m not cheerleading the trade but wouldn’t mind it (assuming it doesn’t cost us TOO many of our good prospects). But I do agree that Uggla would be most welcome… but nobody seems to be reporting that the Giants are in talks to get him. We can only overreact to what is reported!
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
By trading Sanchez, wouldn’t we opening ourselves up to some nasty baseball karma by trading him right after throwing a no-hitter.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Jul 16, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions
excellent point
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 16, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
any mention of this on blue bird banter?
Garlic fries 08
by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions
not much action over there. Of course a Yankee fan went over there and asked them if they’d prefer Joba or Phil Hughes for Halladay.
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lol
which one of our bullpen arms do you want?
It really is funny how much hype those guys get. Then they turn out to be average.
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have you listened to Peter Pascareli's rent on Joba ?
It’s fucking hilarious. Calls him a bullpen killer, goes 5 1/3, throws 120 pitches and gets a no decision, gives up 3 runs destroying the bullpen in the process.
On my iPod
I love that song, and didn’t list it as “guilty pleasure” because I’m not guilty about it. Great song!
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
averages about 200+ comments a gameday thread. Better the the uncommon sportsman blog here at sb. that blog is pretty unintentionally hilarious sometimes
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by operation carrot on Jul 16, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
that got an honest real life laugh out of me.
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It is a radio rumour from the same group that broke the Uribe signing long before it was confirmed. So far the links above have nothing defintive yet.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/roy-halladay-to-giants-1.html
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are you kidding
that’s a link to a youtube video..
by sharpness609 on Jul 16, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and an inside joke arround here.
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If the Toronto Blue Jays stick to their guns and insist that any taker for ace right-hander Roy Halladay also accepts outfielder Vernon Wells in the deal, the New York Yankees may be the only fit, says Newsday’s Anthony Rieber. He cites the Bronx Bombers’ ability to absorb Wells’ contract that runs through 2014. Wells is hitting just .263 with nine home runs and a .312 on-base percentage this season and will make $99.25 million between now and the end of his current pact.
Yankees GM Brian Cashman is mum on Halladay, noting baseball’s tampering policy. But we know that if a good player is on the market, the Yankees are interested.
The Philadelphia Phillies are not out of the market for Halladay after signing Pedro Martinez, GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said.
ESPN insider does not list giants as potential trade partners for Halladay
In that scenario (Wells must go with Haladay) I would think the Bum’s are a fit as well. They have both the short term need, deep enough pockets and enough young MLb talent along with farm help to not necessarily be crippled be Wells monster of a contract..
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that’s just a NY writer who thinks the Yankees can just buy themselves a pennant. I’m surprised he didn’t say they should get Halladay, Wells AND Rios. The Yankees spent alot of money this offseason, but most of it was just replacing salary that came off of their payroll. They’re not adding Halladay and Wells at 35-40 million when they’re already sitting in the wild card spot. As for the Dodgers, they barely scraped together the cash to sign Manny, I doubt McCourt even has the money to make this deal.
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You got a point on McCourt and signing Manny. I was looking at the The Bums being only committed for a bit over $64 MM in 2010 and none of the kids a past Arbitration 2. Now I am not saying it would be wise for the Bum’s to do it but it is possible.
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On the one hand..
I like the trade for its potential. On the other I kind of feel that Sanchez is, at the moment, untradable. This season has been very special and he is a large part of it. If he has turned the corner and is able to consistently throw strikes (and this very well may be the case with the windup tinkering he and rags did) then we are getting extremely ripped off.
If Sanchez is good now then he and Halladay are a wash and we are just taking on a ton of salary and an OF that we don’t really need. I say stick with the rebuilding plan and hope that we have enough to make it into the playoffs this year.
I understand the trade high on Sanchez idea but if, and it really is an if, he is over whatever was holding him back then he is incredibly valuable. There are not many lefties that throw as hard and as nasty as he does. We’ve seen what he can do when he is at his best and it is one of our greatest moments. Do we really want to give that up?
by positiveuphemism on Jul 16, 2009 2:49 PM PDT reply actions
If Sanchez is good now then he and Halladay are a wash
settle down
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 16, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
No frigging way
This isn’t going to happen. Stop.
In the next 2 years, the Giants have to pay Cain and Lincecum. Do you really want to lose them because the team has to pay big dollars for other top of the line talent?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Getting Halliday thru 2010 and Rios thru 2013 Still Leaves Enough Dollars For A Cain Extention And Lincecum's 4 Arb Years.
by giantsrainman on Jul 16, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus a bunch of money is off the books this offseason and the minors will start to provide a bunch of cheap talent.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Like $30 million comes off the books after this year
Johnson, Winn, Molina and Roberts. Howry too, if I’m not mistaken.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
Holy Crap
I can’t believe we are still paying Dave Roberts.
/shakes uncontrollably
by GrooveGiant on Jul 17, 2009 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be worse
We could be still PLAYING Dave Roberts.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 17, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
And Bonds, too, if I recall correctly?
Hunh. Maybe not.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
This thread is now 5 hours old
Should I consult a phsician since my erection hasn’t subsided?
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Bea Arthur naked yoga.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 17, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Why? To brag?
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, without your guiding hand, the sheep tend to go astray.
Judgment Day is coming
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Astray, yes, but they do seem less nervous for some reason.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 17, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
…. McCovey Chronicles. Where men are men and sheep as scared.
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Howtheyscored and I used to heard sheep. I still tease howie because he’d always pick the ugliest sheep to do.
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What kind of things do sheep talk about?
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
4bbs
and a HBP.
Ouch.
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by Zetsuboushita on Jul 16, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont think i want this to happen
Unless we can do it without giving MadBum, Posey, or Villalona
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 16, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions
Rios is hitting 262 with 10 homeruns. Last year, he hit 292 with 15. How is that better than Randy Winn? I don’t think the Blue Jays would do that without Bumgarner in the trade. And I’d hate it if we traded Bumgarner. I’d do it for Alderson and Sanchez though.
How is that better than Randy Winn?
- Winn has not a season better with 193 ISO that I can find. Rios has had 2 seasosn with better then 200 ISO already. Winn has a carrer 135 ISO. Rios in this his terrible year has a 154 ISO. The last time Winn topped a 154 ISO was 2005.
- Rios has a better glove.
- Rios has a better arm.
- Rios (in this a down year) is hitting 263/306/444 VS LHP and Winn is hitting 115/127/148 vs LHP.
Will that do for starters?
I don’t think the Blue Jays would do that without Bumgarner in the trade
They Jays are in fiscal hammer lock. They have been in front of their division for most of this season so far but they are drawing 6,700 people less a game ( that a lot of beer, hot dogs, parking and t shirt sales not made). They are also on the hook for more payrool next season then tehy are paying this years and they Jays have yet to sign a single free Agent, have an arbitration hearing or promote a guy for 2010.
This is not say that Giants can offer Joe Castle’s used jock and get him but they can deffently get him for cents for a lot less the what has been “normal” in hte last decade or so.
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HOW'D IT GET BURNED, HOW'D IT GET BURNED?
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 17, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
/ golf clap
Needs more Bees though. Yes, I am in that kind of mood today.
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I think the Blue Jays broadcaster is trying to find things to talk about. He probably would love to have Sanchez and Bumgarner for Halladay. From listening to the trade rumors I’ve heard, if I were a Blue Jays fan, the only player I’d want is Kershaw from the Dodgers. Maybe Chamberlain from the Yankees. If I were a Blue Jays fan, I’d want to make up better trades too.
I like getting Halliday & Rios...
But NO WAY the Giants take on salary AND give top prospects. If a trade were to happen, I would imagine some combination of players and some better prospects – but no the best ones. Time will tell…
"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
Just when we thought Randy Winn was about to leave
Rios is a way more expensive Winn. Toronto knows that. I’m on the fence about Halladay but Rios would be a familiar headache.
say what?
Even in Rois off year ( this year) he has a higher ISO the Winn has posted scicne his mircle 2005 season. I couldn’t see an ISO over 193 for Winn in any season in his entire carrer. Rios has already posted an ISO over 200 twice. Rios plays bettter defense and has a much stronger arm. At the high point of Rios contract he is getting paid Rowand money ( $12MM) for a guy that has been a 3 WAR play and is still under 30 that is very fair contract.
Ways they are simmilar: I guess they started their carrers in their AL East. Neither has not been A’s. Niether look to Dave Kingman, Willie McGee, or thrown a No hitter. Help a guy out here because I am runnign out of simmilarities.
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I have to say I’m not a big Sabre guy so WARP is not something that has ever appealed to me, not to say it isn’t as relevant as any other stat. That said Randy has actually averaged a higher WARP in his career, but they’re both basically 3. Since Rios’ first year 2004, Winn 17.8, Rios 17.4 and that’s with Winn being 6 years his senior.
For me though, I think of 2 guys who are plus defenders in right field who can cover center as well, 2 guys who will give you about 15-20 steals a year and who have similar OPS. Rios certainly has more power, but like Randy, still not enough for a corner outfielder. He has to have a better arm as Randy’s is a ramen noodle. Obviously Randy will get on base more often in order to even out the OPS.
Randy has been a fine Giant and is underappreciated to be sure, Rios may be the better player but I guess my point was that I don’t feel like he would be a marked upgrade over the last 3 1/2 years and that’s before I start wondering about him getting Rwned (as in Rowand, patent pending) at ATT.
If you want a thumper with a "Meh" glove in RF for the Giants those days left with the ’Stick. Could you imagine G.A. Hill running around in RF at May’s Field? He couldn’t do it. He would have to play LF now days. So that means the team needs a very good glove out in RF and no amount of wishing will change that. I am open to names with a very good glove that you think will do better in 2010, and onward , that provide better power that will be available. I just don’t see one myself.
You kind of slam and poor mouth Rios ability to play CF well but think about it for a few moments.
1. Do you think Rownad will play well enough to man CF well his entire contract? If yes, do you think we will play CF every single game? If you answer "No" to either of those the team needs a back CF.
2. If the team needs a back up CF what is better to tie up a roster spot for Torres type clone (and in essence create another reserve Cather position) or a player that could play the other defensively demand spot in the Of and slide over thus letting reserve corner outfielders rest your CF and let the team use the designated back CF spot for other uses ( ie a real pinch hitting threat, extra ‘pen arm, etc)?
3. If you don’t think Rowand will stay in CF his whole contracts just were is this replacement candidate going to come from? There is not much on the farm for then next 2-3 seasons that look to be MLB ready and likes of Coco Crisps will not come that much cheaper the $12MM to merit the down grade.
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No I really wasn’t speaking ill of Rios’ glove. I just said that they were both plus defenders who can cover center. Defensively speaking I would not be freaked out at all to see either one in center at Mays Field.
If Randy Winn is a headache, then I wish we had more headaches.
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I can feel it! This will be the day it happens!
Sabean will get Nomar to handle our inexperience problem at 3rd base.
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/grabs croth
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 17, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Mr Hamm!
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The girls got IT!
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FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by victor frankenstein on Jul 17, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that the theme song for a Big Head Vetgasim line up card?
Or is that too soon?
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Nuke 'em on Razor & Mr. T last night
Pretty much nixed this. It sounds like they are really committed to the youth movement.
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Look, if we wanted Alex Rios, we should’ve gotten him last year when the Lincecum deal was on the table. You missed your chance, Sabean!
But seriously, I really think something like this is going to get done. This has been one of the most unexpectedly exciting seasons I can remember, so it just seems right that we’d make a trade like this.
I don’t know much about prospects outside the Giants organization, but didn’t the Mets sort of steal Johan Santana from the Twins, even when seemingly better possibilities were out there involving Boston and the Yankees?
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Halladay + Rios = the Giants Farm system. No way the Giants pull this off without giving up a serious boat load of prospects. I say trade for one of them (preferably Rios) but not both.
Nuekum was on the radio a few days ago and said the Giants weren’t going to make any trades that would cost the club a lot of money. If he was being honest about that statement, you can kiss this rumor goodbye.
I still think Sanchez is the missing piece to this team. Bumgardner can fill any needs in the SP, the bullpen rocks (minus Valdez and good old Walker (uh, I mean Howry) the team just needs a #2 hitter. Yea the offense has many deficiencies, but I think Sanchez gives you two needs: defense and OBP. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Giants grab a decent 1st baseman as well.
Halladay shouldn’t be our priority.
Hell, we could probably get Sanchez and Wilson cheaper than Rios by himself.
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by Gabafnerhagen on Jul 19, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants get Halladay
and make the playoffs
Lince, Cain, Halladay
Its over
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 19, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions
we are talking about a team that was just blanked for 28 innings
by the pirates.
Just sayin’.
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ya but
we are historically horrible against the Pirates
and our offense was decent the first half
If Molina picks it up we will be alright
Congratulations and Thank you Jonathan Sanchez.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 19, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
We could set 2 records in one series
Least amount of runs given up in a playoff series, and least runs scored!
by Pearlsofwisdom on Jul 20, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions
just because I am in reality check mode
Roberts was saying if the Giants pull this off the wildcard race would be over, and the Giants would probably even catch the Dodgers.
OK, Halliday is good, like 6-8 wins/year good. He’s probably worth +4 wins for the 2nd half of the season. The Giants 4/5th starters have been above replacement value, so he’s probably not even worth 4 whole wins to the Giants in half a season (minus 10 games)
The Giants are 7.5 games back, and are projected to finish 13-14 back of the Dodgers if you think that the first half of the season reflects on the “true talent” of the current teams. So, no, adding Halliday will not make the Giants “probably” catch the Dodgers. It might lock up the wild card, if the Giants can manage to average more than 4 run per game.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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