All WAR Allstar Teams

by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2009 10:13 AM PDT Comment 48 comments

Since we all know that the normal All Star teams are the equivilent of student body elections - but what would the teams have looked like had they been based soley on players performance in the first half of this year ?

I took the WAR leaders at each position in each lead. I carried one backup player at each position, 6 starters, 6 releivers, and 6 generic OF's.

Here's what I got. Interesting how it deviates from who was actually selected. Players within groups are in order

NL:

Starters: Tim Lincecum, Dan Haren, Javier Vasquez, Josh Johnson, Ubaldo Jiminez, Joel Pineiro

Releivers: Johnothan Broxton, Rafael Soriano, Heath Bell, Brian Wilson, Chad Qualls, Todd Coffey

Catcher: Brian McCann, Yadier Molina

1B: Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder

2B: Chase Utley, Freddy Sanchez

SS: Hanley Ramierez, Ryan Theriot

3B: Ryan Zimmerman, Pablo Sandoval

OF: Matt Kemp, Justin Upton, Raul Ibanez, Colby Rasmus, Ryan Braun, Jason Werth

AL:

Starters: Zach Greinke, Justin Verlander, Roy Halladay, Felix Hernandez, Josh Beckett, Cliff Lee

Releivers: Andrew Bailey, Joe Nathan, David Aradsma, Mike Wuertz, J.P. Howell, Mariano Rivera

C: Joe Mauer, Victor Martinez

1B: Kevin Youkalis, Justin Morneau

2B: Ben Zorbrist, Ian Kinsler

SS: Marco Scutaro, Derek Jeter

3B: Evan Longoria, Brandon Inge

OF: Ichiro Suzuki, Franklin Gutierrez, Carl Crawford, Torii Hunter, Juan Rivera, Nelson Cruz

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Oh yeah, I probably spelled some names wrong

So forgive me. It’s a lot of crap to type :)

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by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 15, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I’d like to see Sun-Tzu get the nod in center.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

None of these seem very off the wall. Scutaro is a big surprise as is Franklin Gutierrez, but they’re both having great years.

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by jponry on Jul 15, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think that the pitching staffs are a little surprising.

I don’t know how many AS votes Todd Coffey got this year, but I’m guessing not a whole lot. Same w/ Andrew Bailey

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by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bailey made the AS team.

Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.

by oldjacket on Jul 15, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’d be interesting to see if Bailey would have made the team if the “at least one representative per team” rule were not in effect. I have a feeling he would have been snubbed in favor of a player on a bigger market team or a team doing well.

by deuce deuce on Jul 15, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know what I wonder about the one representative per team rule? If all the whiners got their way and it was eliminated, how long would it take before only 4 or 5 teams were represented on an annual basis?

I thought of that because on Baseball Today’s awful podcast, their whipping boy for why they hated that rule was always Freddy Sanchez, who totally deserved to be there. They never suggested say Ted Lilly could have been passed over for Yovani Gallardo because the thought that the Cubs didn’t deserve to have a rep didn’t occur to them — only the thought that Pittsburgh or Oakland shouldn’t have one enraged them (and again, Bailey, legit).

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by Roger on Jul 15, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Excellent point. It’s rather unfortunate that the deserving players get whipped for being on a crappy team while the undeserving players get a pass because they’re on a large market team.

by deuce deuce on Jul 15, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the one player per team rule.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 15, 2009 6:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

I mean one player minimum.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 15, 2009 6:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

It’s pretty amazing how close the real AS rosters are.

Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.

by oldjacket on Jul 15, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Needs more Ryan Howard

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by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

NEEDS MOAR PABLO FUCKING SANDOVAL

by jctGamer on Jul 15, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

minus the yankees and the Redsox on the AL and its the same

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by say hey nation on Jul 15, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

But where’s Victorino??

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by Natto on Jul 15, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still so much hatred

If he hadn’t campaigned for himself…alright I’ll stop. Fecking douche.

by Rorsavelt on Jul 16, 2009 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I definitely would have preferred that NL roster. +Pablo, -Phillies garbage? That would have bee nice. No Cain though. :’(

by Missing Barry on Jul 15, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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How did they leave out the legendary Hoshino Aki?

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by oooreebay on Jul 15, 2009 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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that stuff that builds up on dogs who aren't well cared for?

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watch Scarface…it’ll all make sense afterwards.

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by oooreebay on Jul 15, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that’s so awsome

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This is seriously hilarious

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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 15, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mang

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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting study, but of course raises the political questions of ASG worthiness.

You have set the standard as performance in the first half of the given season. That’s your prerogative, but (a) balloting starts around the 1/4 mark and thus necessarily includes considerations other than first-half stats, and (b) ignores that some people think the category “all star” means “best overall players, some of whom might be off to slow starts in a given season, but who are still more compelling than others.”

Would the rosters be different if one were to calculate WAR since the previous ASG? At least that would get a whole year of data and would maybe cover some of the things that are in people’s minds when they start voting.

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by Mayor of 311 on Jul 15, 2009 11:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

That’s my voting philosophy. It takes a real bad 1st half to wash away a great 2nd half from the previous year. Likewise I don’t go for career scrubs off to a hot start like say Zach Duke. Between 2 candidates with stats equal, I vote for career accomplishments, likability (due to team or demeanor) or the guy I would ‘trust’ more on my fantasy team. Calculate that with your fancy maths!

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by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 15, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does Edwin Jackson fall into the scrubs career year guy? He still deserves to be there

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by CB30 on Jul 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess not according to WAR. But according to what they choose on, ERA ans wins.

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by CB30 on Jul 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

this would be improved

if you added in WAR from 2nd half of last year. Only about 4 times the work! Gettir’ done!

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by zenbitz on Jul 15, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Sure, but that would be a lot harder :)

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by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Colby Rasmus surprised me, hes gonna be good. I would not vote for Pinero, Ubaldo, Coffey, Wuertz?, Franklin despite their good years.

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by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 15, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ubaldo is legit

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by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Second

He’s going to win 20 sometime soon. If he can keep his head on straight when things start to go wrong (see: Sanchez, J), he will be a top-10 starter.

by FireBrianSabean on Jul 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I personally feel it should be the best performing players that year. Plain and simple.

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by FairweatherFan on Jul 15, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I personally feel it should be whatever makes Pablo look the best. Plain and simple.

by Missing Barry on Jul 15, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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by Natto on Jul 15, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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by zenbitz on Jul 15, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely nothin’

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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 15, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1) Having a representative from each team is a cynical attempt to maximize the size of the TV audience.

2) Electing generic OF is just stupid. CF is just too different a skillset to lump it in with the corner positions. The CF starter for the ASG should be required to have at least half his regular season starts at that position.

3) A proper weighting system would be 1/3 career value expressed as an average 162 game season, 1/3 full prior season, 1/3 current half season.

4) Player voting is dumb. The game is for the fans, not to see which millionaires can help another millionaire pick up a bonus.

5) Manager selections are dumber. The manager should only set the batting order and pitching. If a given player is unavailable, the next highest vote-getter should make the team.

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Someone on McCovey Chronicles is making sense? I don’t know who you are, or what you are up to but

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