Organization Prospect Depth Chart: 1b
by wilriv21 on Jul 14, 2009 11:46 AM PDT
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The organization has been blessed with some quality 1b throughout the decades. Stretch. Big Mac. This blog's namesake Willie Lee McCovey is a HOFer. Today the Giants have LHH Travis Ishikawa manning the corner. The farm is filled with potential stars and power bats.
Soon to be 19 yr old Angel Villalona was move from 3b to 1b. Still raw and learning Villalona is years away from contributing at the big club. Doubles machine Brett Pill has been turning some of the doubles into HRs this season. Pill is a superior defensive 1b.
Jesus Guzman best position is in the batters box. The brother can hit and often leaves his glove at home. Third round pick Chris Domingurz was drafted as a 3b however the Giants have been playing him at 1b. CD has lighttower power and a great arm.
My top Giants 1b prospects:
1. Angel Villalona A+
2. Brett Pill AA
3. Chris Dominguez R
4. Jesus Guzman AAA
Who are your top SF Giants top 1b prospects?
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1. Guzman!
2. Jesus!
3. Jesus Guzman!
4. other guys
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by Goofus on Jul 14, 2009 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In a similar vein
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by bondslegend on Jul 14, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as soon as they’re signed, add Thomas Joseph to the #2 spot. I’d keep Dominguez on the 3b list for now, but if you’re inclined to see him as a 1b, then he’d be #2, and Joseph #3. I’d like Joseph to be given some time at C, but I guess he’s seen more as a 1b candidate.
Then, I’d put Pill and then Guzman and then Ziegler.
Pill is having a nice season. He’s good on defense and the offense is just now productive. I’d like to see him do it a little more before annointing him a real prospect. He’s also a bit old for the league (though not by a lot).
I don’t think the Giants will ever be comfortable with Guzman’s glove to give him any extended playing time.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2009 12:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t understand why they’re not giving guzman a chance to platoon at 1b in the bigs.
by Fresburg on Jul 14, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his glove stinks. this is his first year above AA and they want him to play everyday and Fresno is where he’ll get to do that.
Plus, he didn’t go 5 for 5 in his first game in the big leagues, so they probably think he’ll never hit at that level.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ishikawa needs the ab's
and he is actually hitting pretty well right now. I think he has a chance to be a 275/350/500 kind of guy at first, which isn’t bad for a 1b at AT&T.
by joe t on Jul 14, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His minor league splits against left handers is pretty weak (except for 2007 where he hit LHP well, and tanked against RHP). I don’t really see the reason to believe that he’ll turn that around. I’m very satisfied with his progress against RHP though.
by Fresburg on Jul 14, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Pill is intriguing
Didn’t Pill have over 40 doubles and 90 rbis just two seasons ago with Augusta. That sounds pretty productive to me. Maybe last year was just a fluke, and even if he isn’t yet a prospect, he is definitely on my sleeper list.
As for Guzman, his bat just isn’t quite good enough to make up for his utter lack of a glove. I just don’t trust him enough out there to take time away from Ishikawa at any point during the rest of this season.
by crazedcrustacean on Jul 14, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This assumes Dominguez stays at 3B, which is my hope and prayer:
1. Villalona
2. Pill
3. Joseph (assuming he signs)
4. Ziegler
Others, of course, as necessary: Neal, Kieschnick, Maroul, Biery – whoever can still hit but because of arm/leg issues can’t handle the OF or 3B.
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by Lyle on Jul 14, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
1. Villalona
2. Guzman
3. Pill
4. Ziegler
5. Dominguez
by Rorsavelt on Jul 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is bowker a firstbaseman too, or only a left fielder
lets see how the ishikawa, bowker, aurillia first base, left field etc platoon works. Giants certainly have their share of left handed hitters. That also make jesus Guzman a tad more intriguing.
by bradleybear on Jul 14, 2009 11:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
relating to above
we need some serious right handed hitters. Guzman’s bat has been picking up again in the minors. Streaky, but more good streaks than bad ones.
by bradleybear on Jul 14, 2009 11:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thomas Neal says "hello"
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by Lyle on Jul 15, 2009 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of prospect overload
We traded Bill White, and Cepeda came up in 58 and McCovey in 59.
by bradleybear on Jul 14, 2009 11:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And actually that was a problem. They really had terrible times figuring out how to play both regularly (fortunately frequent injuries often solved the problem) and ultimately ended up making a terrible trade to resolve the issue.
Of the 7 years the two were teammates, 1963 was the only year they both amassed 600 PA, and ’64 was the only other time they both got as many as 400 PA. It was really a constant struggle.
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by Roger on Jul 15, 2009 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I read somewhere (in the last few years) that Willie Mac now wishes he had been less stubborn, and had agreed to play LF for the Giants. He realized what a terrific team we’d have had with him, Mays, and Cepeda all in the same lineup. Did you see or hear that as well?
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by Lyle on Jul 15, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its my understanding that Cepeda was the problem, not McCovey
I think I got this from “Willie’s Time” – great book, BTW – and maybe from other sources.
McCovey wasn’t really the stubborn one; he was pretty quiet and went about his business. Cepeda was the squeaky wheel, who really didn’t want to play OF and wanted to stick at 1B. McCovey was a statue in the OF – no range whatsoever – and was a natural 1B. Cepeda had the athleticism to play OF but unlike McCovey, consistently complained to the manager that he wanted to be at 1B.
McCovey was tried in the OF, but he was just horrible, and they didn’t have AB at 1B for both Cepeda and McCovey, so Stretch was stuck on the bench a lot despite being a better hitter than Cepeda. It’s ridiculous, and probably in part stems from, IIRC, the racism of the Giants manager, who treated Cepeda better than he treated McCovey.
That’s the gist, and I hope I have the facts right from memory. Really, the problem wasn’t that Cepeda was traded, because he probably should have been if he wasn’t going to play OF, but that Cepeda was traded for Ray Sadecki. Sadecki wasn’t as horrible as he seemed, but that wasn’t much for Cepeda, who won the MVP and World Series for St Louis in 1967.
Sadecki wasn’t bad, but he really got Cained in 1968. 2.91 ERA, 70 BB, 206 K in 254 IP, and goes 12-18. Wow. I know it’s the year of the pitcher, but the average team scored 3.43 runs/game, and the Giants 3.67. Sadecki got 3.23 runs/game, and a lot of that was bunched into a few games. Hard luck, in 1969 he was bad, and after 1969 he was traded to the Mets with Dave Marshall for Jim Gosger and Bob Heise. That’s a bad trade.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 15, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would the manager be racist to McCovey who is black in favor of Cepeda who is also black?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 15, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cepeda was considered a Latino. I know that it seems strange now, but starting way back in the 1880s American blacks (called negroes back then) were banned from pro ball, while Caribbean blacks could often be accepted on pro teams by being labeled Latinos. They would basically have to have an Hispanic last name, be not too dark-skinned, and speak Spanish. Up until around the1920s some pro teams (mostly in the Minor Leagues) would try to sneak American blacks onto their rosters by given them fake Hispanic names, teaching them some Spanish phrases, and telling them no to talk in front of anybody not connected to the team. Another favorite ruse was to pass American blacks off as native Indians.
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by Fla-Giant on Jul 15, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 17, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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