Organization Prospect Depth Chart: 3B

1.Rohlinger
2.Downs
3.Boyer
4.Schoop
5.Lormand
6-100 ????
101.Gillaspie

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by RichH on Jul 13, 2009 12:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm… I’m guessing you aren’t high on Gillaspie

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overflow error

he’s so high on him, he wrappped around to the bottom.

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by zenbitz on Jul 13, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would put Dominguez above all three of those guys…

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by NateisGreat on Jul 13, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1. Dominguez
2. Gillaspie
3. Everyone else

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by NateisGreat on Jul 13, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's Great

But apparently Dominguez is now a 1st baseman. Also, have you ever seen Gillaspie play? Not impressive at all. The Charlie Culberson of 3rd base.

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by RichH on Jul 13, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s much better than Culberson both at making contact and at drawing walks. His only problem has been a ridiculous lack of power. That’s a big problem, but he’s still nowhere nearly as bad as Culberson.

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by Cookyman on Jul 13, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think that’s Gillaspie’s “only problem.” As I’ve said elsewhere, he’s a guy whose only real tool is his bat, who just hasn’t hit all that well since becoming a pro. Scouts don’t like his lateral movement or his arm on D and he has no power. A walks and singles player who doesn’t bring any defensive production is a pretty limited package — really, it’s hard to come up with an equivalent to that. Early Wade Boggs, I guess you could say, but Boggs was good enough to stay at 3B (even if he didn’t really distinguish himself there). More to the point Boggs was enough of a sui generis that I sure wouldn’t want to him as a comp.

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by Roger on Jul 13, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The thing about tools is that they don’t have equal value. Yes, his only tool is the bat, but that’s by far the most important tool there is. He was never projected to have good power, but I’m not yet ready to say that he has no power – scouts still thought that he’ll be able to provide average/bellow average power, and it’s only been half a season. I still think that he has a chance to hit .280/.360/.400, which is pretty valuable at 2B (where some scouts think he can play), even with bellow average defense.

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by Cookyman on Jul 13, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, it’s the most important tool if it’s used correctly, but I haven’t seen much of that out of Conor. I think the chance that he ever hits that well is a very very low one. I cast one vote decidedly in the “Harumph” column.

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by Roger on Jul 13, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Again, hitting wise, he’s shown very good contact skills and a fantastic approach. It’s really all about whether or not the power will come.

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by Cookyman on Jul 13, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know that there’s anything exceptional about his contact skills & approach. Check out the San Jose line of the guy Gillaspie is always compared to, Bill Mueller — k/w of 47/103 in 431 ab’s. (Granted Mueller was a year older at the time.)

by Evan on Jul 13, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That’s insane. Still, Gillaspie is putting up identical K/BB numbers to Posey’s, which is a really good sign. If you believe the scouts, and think that he still has a chance to develop decentish power, then he should still be considered a pretty good prospect.

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by Cookyman on Jul 13, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

sui generis

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by microwave donut on Jul 13, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

sic transit gloria.

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by Lyle on Jul 13, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s all about using the right tool for the job.

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by Roger on Jul 13, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Defense is what I'm referring to.

I like to have defenders that can catch. And throw. And even hit a bit.

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by RichH on Jul 13, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Defenders that can catch and throw?

Why are you so greedy? After all, this is the Giants’ farm system were discussing.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 13, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's not really a 1b, yet.

they’ve just been playing him there to start out his pro career – easing him into things. He played DH then first then 3rd in AZL and he’s doing the same thing in the NWL. Dominguez has a great arm. They aren’t going to move him off 3rd after a handful of games. They’re gonna let him play himself off of 3rd.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 13, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Right now they’re just rotating him at 1st and 3rd to reinforce in his mind that he has to be able to play different positions and learn the game from different perspectives. I think that they’ll play him at 3B as much as they can in the minors, although in the end I think 1B or RF will be his position in the Majors. I envision him as a Derrick Lee-type 1B, or a Dave Winfiled-type RF. I do wonder how they’ll mix him into 3B at S-K. Biery has been starting there and hitting a ton (although he already has 8 errors).

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 14, 2009 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

RF in our park is almost another CF. If he’s got poor range, I’d rather stick him in LF, even if he won’t be able to use his arm as much.

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by Cookyman on Jul 14, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll add on to the “why are they spending so much time not playing him at 3B” pile. It’s getting a little bit much for just the easing him in argument. I agree with Evan, this organization leaps to moving players off premium positions a little quickly sometimes.

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by Roger on Jul 14, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've already sent Bobby Evans a note about this

see my comment below

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by Lyle on Jul 14, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

me three

lets say a shortstop does not look like Omar, that’s OK, maybe he can become average while hitting well.

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by foothillsfan on Jul 14, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting delivery method you’ve chosen, Lyle.

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by Roger on Jul 14, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean, McCovey Chronicles IS required reading for GINATS BRASZ, isn’t it?

Oh, hey, Brian, what I said about you last month – that was purely in jest. We’re still good, right?

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by Lyle on Jul 14, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

It’s also why I’m very happy that the Giants haven’t moved to Posey to 2B, not to mention 3B.

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by Cookyman on Jul 14, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So you’re telling Gillaspie he has a chance (big smile).

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 13, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

3B depth chart

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2. Who cares?

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by EliminateMe on Jul 13, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

3B depth chart

1. Panda
2. Can guy #2 play 2nd?
3. Trade Bait

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If #2 is Rohlinger, just sayin'

I was on that bandwagon a long time ago

… just ignore that comment about Renteria… was right about Zito for a while too.

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by j14 on Jul 13, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1. Rohlinger (Mr. Late-Inning Clutch)
2. Brandon Crawford (best at SS, but also better than most others at 3B)
3. Chris Dominguez
4. Drew (Andrew) Biery
5. Conor Gillaspie

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 13, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

it’s HIGHLY unlikely that Crawford could hit enough to play 3B, let’s just be happy if he is able to hit enough to play SS.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 13, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crawford severely outhit Gillaspie during the the first month they were both at SJ, and he’s a much better defender than Gillaspie (not to mention every other 3B in our system now), so I ranked him ahead of Gillaspie. IMO, he’s also a better hitter at this point than Dominguez (and Dominguez will most likely wind up at 1B or in the OF) and Biery, so he has to be ranked higher than them. I agree he wouldn’t rank near the top 5 in most other systems, but we currently have a paucity of talent at 3B below AA.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 13, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I really wonder how well Crawford would be hitting if he were still in SJ and how his prospect status would be different.

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by Azmanz on Jul 13, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crawford has shown surprising power, but he’s got a ton of work to do on his patience and contact skills. Between SJ and CT he’s got a 4/1 K/BB. Most of his value comes from the fact that plays an OK SS, so I really don’t see why the Giants would move him.

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by Cookyman on Jul 14, 2009 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not a deep position

Of all those guys, Dominguez has the most upside (IMO)

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by NateisGreat on Jul 13, 2009 4:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

cold hot corner

Note to Bobby Evans: PLEASE stop moving guys off 3B at least until after they’ve proven they can’t handle it defensively after a year in San Jose.

1. Ryan Rohlinger
2. Chris Dominguez
3. Drew Bierly
4. Buster Posey
5. Conor Gillaspie
6. Sharlon Schoop

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by Lyle on Jul 13, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

1. Dominguez – power hitting 3rd base with a canon for an arm. His range will determine if he sticks there. As this early stage, there’s no reason to think he can’t.
2. Rohlinger – a 2b candidate, but he can handle 3rd defensively
3. Gillaspie – another 2b candidate, moreso than Rohlinger as he’s much more likely to end up at 2b
4. Ehire – I know he’s kinda thin, but he seems like he has the frame to get bigger.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

surprisingly thin after Dominguez as far as shiny prospects. He’s exciting.

Both Matt Williams and Pedro Feliz started life as shortstops. Both of em bulked up later and looked more like 3Bs. That could happen with many prospects including Crawford , Schoop, Downs. Noonan would be another longshot, he at least has some power.

Long run, I could see a Posey/Pablo rotation, or maybe Pablo to first and Posey to third to get Posey a rest from catching. Posey has the arm and hands to be adequate at 3rd probably.
If they need Pablo to catch next year, then it’s pretty open among Downs, Rohlinger, and Bond while Uribe (not a prospect) lurks for an offer. And Velez begs coaches to hit him grounders.

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by foothillsfan on Jul 14, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Posey

I’m not advocating this but, Posey would be a + defender at 3B. I saw him play about 10 games at SS at Florida State during the 2007 season. He had above average range, great footwork, and a ++ arm. Besides that he had super-intelligent baseball instincts – always seemed to be postitioned in just the right place. So, I have no doubt that he would be at at least a + defender at 3B given his range, footwork and arm.

That being said, right now he’s most valuable as a C because of his ++ bat. I do see him moving off that at some point late in his career as the grind behind the plate gets to him, or if the Giants develop another stud catcher. At that time I believe that the Giants will slide him into the position of highest need. He could play any IF position except SS then, and could also handle LF adequately.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 14, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What is this about people saying Dominguez should stay at 3rd because of his arm? Like, how often does a 3rd baseban’s arm come into play in a game? Range is more important and if the Giants don’t feel he has the range, then putting him at 1B makes sense. That’s why Villalons got moved there.

Besides, if Dominguez has nice hands, he could be a really good 1B and be the type of guy who can scoop up bad throws and if can provide the pop needed, I don’t see any problem with him at 1b. Since Sandoval seems quite comfortable at 3rd, there isn’t a need to have to keep Domingiez at 3rd either.

by barry100 on Jul 14, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I believe that he’ll most likely end up at 1B and be an above-average defender there. But, I want to keep him at 3B until he shows that he’s an utter defensive failure there.

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by Fla-Giant on Jul 14, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How often does a 3B arm come into play? Are you serious? I’d say on approximately every play a 3B makes. He has to have the strongest and most accurate arm on the IF. As you may recall, when people talked about what a great defender Feliz is, it’s the accuracy and strength of his arm that typically got the raves. The throw from 3B to 1B is easily the most difficult throw to make on the baseball field (other than pitches of course). And it’s the lack of arm strength that most frequently moves people off the position (lack of footwork is 2nd biggest problem).

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by Roger on Jul 14, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

Arm is more important than range at 3B. If Mike Schmidt (insert your favorite 3B here) had enough range, he’d be a shortstop. Well, actually, he’d be Cal Ripken or Alex Rodriguez, but you get the point.

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by Lyle on Jul 14, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

arguably the throw by the SS going to his right deep in the hole is more difficult, but no question the 3b has a difficult job to do when it comes to throwing.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 14, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I think what he meant was that if a player has really poor range at 3B, there’s only so much his arm can do to help him. A strong throw is very important, but you have to get to the ball first.

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by Cookyman on Jul 14, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

remember last year

when Pablo would often belly flop on the ball? Getting to the ball for the 3B is more diving than it is running. OK, bunts you have to run forward. But not much side to side running.

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by foothillsfan on Jul 14, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quick reflexes and a good first step will get you to a lot more balls than just diving at everything. Not really the relevant, anyway.

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by Cookyman on Jul 14, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I’d argue that range comes into relatively few 3B chances. Most are hard hit if their vicinity, and strong throws are necessary even when they’re hit right at a 3B.

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by Roger on Jul 15, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A first baseman gets nearly as many ground balls as a third baseman anyway, so if his range is a problem at third, it’s going to be just as much of a problem at first.

by Evan on Jul 15, 2009 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs