Organization Prospect Depth Chart: 2b
by wilriv21 on Jul 10, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
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Second base. Manny Burriss beats out Kevin Frandsen in spring training. Burriss struggles and is demoted to AAA. Franny gets his chances with bereavement leaves. Top minor league prospect Nick Noonan has been struggling at A+ San Jose. The kid in AA is quietly having a fine season. And now a 40-something rounder is lighting it up in rookie ball. Oh, and the Velez experiment did not work out.
Robby Thompson must be rolling over in his grave. What's that? He is alive you say?
My top Giants 2b prospects:
1. Kevin Frandsen
2. Manny Burriss AAA
3. Brock Bond AA
4. Nick Noonan A+
5. Juan Martinez R
Who are your top SF Giants top 2b prospects?
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You must really hate Noonan.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
Frandsen and Burriss are no longer prospects
Too many big league ABs
I’m kinda confused about whether these are depth charts or prospect lists. Most of them looked like the latter but this one looks like the former.
They are topic starters. Looking to find out more about the organizational prospects. Trying to find out what we got and what we will need. Do we have an organizational surplus at a position or is there a need. What others think about organization prospects.
Included Franny and Burriss because they have spent some time in minors and are not yet fixtures.
This is surely our weakest position for prospects, except center field I guess. Noonan’s the only real prospect, and he’s not doing well. 2b is tricky, though, because most players don’t start out there. Crawford, Adrianza, or Gillaspie could easily end up as second basemen.
Frandsen, Burriss, and Downs have little hope of being anything other utility men.
Brock Bond is just another organization soldier. Nice season, though.
Other than conceivably bullpen, I certainly can’t see a surplus anywhere (which is hardly unusual for a minor league system). There are positions where we really don’t have a viable major league prospect (CF, RF), positions where we have one good one and an eh (1B, C), positions where we have a couple ehs (3B, SS), and positions where we have one eh to eh+ (LF, 2B) but there’s certainly no position where we have a solid prospect at multiple levels.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
they’re invitations to make a list.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
My list...
top 2B prospects
1) Draft someone
2) Trade for someone
3) Rule V someone
4) sign someone from the DR
5) Frandsen
6) Bring Kent out of retirement and put him in AAA
7) Manny Burris
1.Frandsen
2.Downs
3.Bond
4.Boyer
5.Martinez
These are the guys I’ve seen play so Noonan is not on the list, don’t know enough about him to comment. Martinez stock is rising quickly from my brief time watching him so far this season, he reminds me of Bond with power.
I suppose Burriss should be on there but with his inability to hit the ball out of the infield I have a hard time with that.
Adopted father of Brian Bocock, Brad Boyer, Sharlon Schoop, Shane Jordan and Jeremiah Luster,Trey Webb and David Quinowski.
I think Frandsen hasn’t really gotten a shot yet. Bereavement leave doesn’t count as a “shot” in my estimation. In any event, I don’t consider Frandsen or Burriss prospects anymore because of too many big league at bats. that may be an arbitrary line, but i wish to draw it.
Anyway,
1. Noonan – he still has very good skills, and has done a better job lately of demonstrating that. His age and level and draft position keep him the top prospect. The Giants probably still believe the same, despite his troubles. He is a work in progress and hopefully, he’ll work his way through his struggles and be the player we hoped he would when he was drafted.
2. Brock Bond – all he does is hit and get on base. His SB% is not very good and I don’t know about his defense. He needs to hit for a bit more pop than he has, but he seems to be doing that gradually. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the bigs in 2010. If he starts hitting a few more xbh I could see him as a Freddy Sanchez comp.
3. Conor Gillaspie – 2b is where he very well could end up, Bill Mueller comps notwithstanding. His bat seems more suited towards 2b than 3b, anyway. (not sure if this is “cheating” b/c he’s not a 2b right now, but it’s worth discussing."
4. Ryan Rohlinger – a former SS in college, so he’s familiar with the Keystone Sack. If he were a 2b, his offensive production would be considered very good. Moving over may be his ticket to the bigs. I think he can play there and wouldn’t be surprised to see it.
5. Julio Izturis – not sure whether the move to 2b is permanent, but I like his offensive production and bloodlines are a plus.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
This is actually a really good list, so I’ll just be lazy (as is my want) and agree with you. Although I’d toss J. Martinez there at the bottom as well under Izturis — it’s just a week, but it’s a really really good week.
And from the depth chart standpoint, Frandsen is clearly at the top, in that if Uribe were to break something tonight, we’d see Franny playing 2B tomorrow. This goes back to my confusion over the depth chart/prospect chart issue that I mentioned the other day and Evan echoed today.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I agree with your agreement!
I didn’t include Martinez b/c he is just coming onto my radar and I don’t really know much about him other than he’s had a good week.
But you’re right about just the organizational depth chart aspect. Frandsen, Burriss and Downs are on top b/c of proximity.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Rohlinger, but saying his offensive production at 2b would be very good is a stretch. .288/.366/.442 for a 25-year-old at Fresno sounds like Kevin Frandsen all over again.
Fun with Brock Bond numbers: .383 babip, 63% ground-ball rate, 2 home runs in 3 professional seasons, nearly 24 years old. I can’t see it.
re Rohlinger’s numbers. I think eventually he’ll turn a lot of those doubles to homers, so the power potential is there much moreso than with Frandsen.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I like your list as well. Mainly because is we are alright with Panda at 3rd for the next 3 (or more) seasons the team can start feed all the failed SS prospects and current 3rd basemen in the upper levels into 2nd tell someone sticks there without stinking up the joint a truly good 2nd baseman comes along develops enough to push the stop gap guy aside ( Is that you Mr. Bond?).
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
forgot JC Perez and Schoop. As I stated below, I don’t think Perez will stick at 2b over the long run. I like Schoop, but he seems to be an enigma to me and I’ve never been sure what to make of him.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I still have some hope that Schoop ends up being a ballplayer. Kid is still only like 22 so he is younger than some guys in this years draft, yet he is playing multiple positions in AA already. Hopefully something clicks hittingwise and he makes it
watching him in the WBC he looked absolutely hopeless as a hitter
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 10, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Rohlinger started at 2b last night in Fresno
first time he ever did that in his career. I like that move a lot…obviously.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 11, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
though, I see he played 3 innings at 2b last year while playing with the Giants.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 11, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You all fail for not including Juan Carlos Perez.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
you beat me to it, JC Perez rules.
have we heard any reports from Augusta fans or writers about Perez’ D at second? I think his hitting will move up the system a while.
Noonan has the problem of not hitting lefties.
Rohlinger is still a prospect sez me. Turns 26 this fall. In 08 played at both SJ and Conn., plus the big club, so it’s a sudden rise to AAA.
So there’s nobody super shiny like Posey for C and Neal for LF, but a raft of Robby Thompson wannabes: Noonan, Perez, Downs, Rohlinger with upsides for power.
Bond, Gillespie, Frandsen, and my crazy crush Velez lower down the list.
And guys who should play SS or not play at all: Burriss, Crawford, Schoop.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Jul 10, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you could say his D at 2B is good enough that he’s been playing mostly OF lately.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I totally missed him, too, but I think long term he doesn’t stick at 2b. He could though, it’s too early to tell and he seems to have moved back to the OF recently.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
As underwhelming as Noonan’s season has been, he is still an actual prospect. Burriss and Frandsen are not, and I don’t mean just technically, due to their MLB at bats, I mean neither of them have the upside of an MLB regular. Bond is a fringe prospect at best.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jul 10, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
The Giants have some players that could fill a spot, but the lists are full of guys who the Giants would always look to be replacing. Frandsen and Burris have had their chances and both look like utility guys.
Noonan has seriously regressed with the bat and his glove still needs work. I’m not sure if he’s a legit prospect at this point.
I see no one has mentioned Charlie Culberson...
/crickets
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 4:03 PM PDT reply actions
They moved Culberson to third.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
This is what I was going for.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 11, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
how did I miss this one?
1. Kevin Frandsen
2. Matt Downs
3. Ryan Rohlinger
4. Conor Gillaspie
5. Nick Noonan
6. Juan Martinez
7. Brock Bond
Perez isn’t a 2B. Long-term, I like Rohlinger, Noonan, and Martinez the best.
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My list
1. Freddy Sanchez
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jul 11, 2009 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I see a spring 2010 a duel with Downs and Rohlinger the front runners. Frandsen traded before opening day. And with Downs’ fast adjustment to upper minors, I still like him playing second until somebody better comes along. Downs hit way better this year in the bigs than Rohlinger did in last yr’s premature coffee cup. (OPS 608 vs 309)
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
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