Different Trade Philosophies for the Giants
Everyone has tired of one of life's simplest pleasures, rosterbation. That's sad. It isn't even the last week of July. There's still a lot left, folks. Put some aloe vera on, and get back in the ring.
Instead of writing about players I do or don't want, it might be a better opening salvo to group the players into four categories:
1. Rent-a-Players
These are players who will be around in November if they really compress your accordion, but they also don't have a crazy amount of trade value. Adam LaRoche, Nick Johnson, Aubrey Huff, Felipe Lopez, and Adam Kennedy. It shouldn't take a top-ten prospect to even start the conversation about these players. There's also a question of whether they'd be marked improvements over Travis Ishikawa and Kevin Frandsen/Juan Uribe. It's easy to say, "sure, I'd trade Merkin Valdez for Aubrey Huff," but there's a decent chance Ishikawa is the better player over the next three months, and that's not even considering the value of the players traded away.
Note that this category doesn't really include Matt Holliday, as the A's are going to want a package that's better than the two first-round picks they'll get if Holliday signs with another team this offseason. That's a price that the Giants shouldn't pay. Though then the Giants would get those picks to help minimize the hit to the farm system. Now I'm confused. I still don't want Holliday, but it would all depend on what the A's want.
2. Stickin'-Arounders
These are the players who would be under the Giants' control for next season, at least. Freddy Sanchez and Dan Uggla are the obvious ones, but the Giants could get creative with good, young players having good seasons (Alberto Callaspo), or good, young players having poor seasons because of bad luck (Kelly Johnson). It's easy to get caught up in the somewhat-distant future (Posey! Bumgarner! Alderson!) and hold firm that the Giants should make every transaction with that eventual roster as the end game. But Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain are pretty danged good right now. Aaron Rowand is a productive outfielder right now. Pablo Sandoval is a deserving All-Star right now. Maybe that will all be true in 2011, too, but there's a lot of sense in making a move that helps the Giants contend in 2010 as well as for the next three months.
But there's some pain involved. Uggla doesn't come over unless a top-four prospect goes back. Freddy Sanchez would probably come at a price of Jonathan Sanchez plus a prospect or two. The Royals have never mentioned anything about trading Callaspo, who's young and cheap, so they'd have to be knocked over with an offer. The Braves and Giants match up really well -- the Braves could use an outfielder to bridge the gap between zombie Garret Anderson and Jordan Schafer/Jason Heyward, and they already have the replacement for Kelly Johnson starting at second -- but even though it seems like Johnson's poor season is due to awful luck with balls put in play, maybe he's misplaced his talent for good.
3. Here. No backsies.
This is a pretty wide-open category, filled with players who are overpaid and/or not producing. The Giants could probably trade Eugenio Velez for Vernon Wells, for example. Of course Wells's contract might actually be worse than Barry Zito's, so there's a reason he's in the free box. The White Sox probably don't have a lot of interest in paying Paul Konerko $12M next season. Even though Scott Rolen is having a fantastic season, he's an injury-prone player scheduled to make $11M in 2010, so the Blue Jays shouldn't expect much in return if they decide to trade him. The Giants could find a good player for the short-term in this category, but he would probably limit the team's roster-building options for next year or longer.
4. Pop goes the farm system 'cause the farm system goes pop
Roy Halladay. Victor Martinez. Adrian Gonzalez. It's like the second category, but more painful. Sure, you can have them, but at least one of Posey/Bumgarner/Villalona/Alderson are going the other way. At least one, probably two, maybe more. A realistic package for Martinez, for example: Bumgarner, Villalona, and Sergio Romo. The throw-ins for a deal like this would be better than the entire package given up for the players in the first category.
It's kind of a weird trade deadline. Six months ago, would you have traded John Bowker straight up for Matt Holliday? Would you do that same deal today? Exactly. Freddy Sanchez for Jonathan Sanchez would have made blood come out of this site's nose in December, but it sure seems like a reasonable proposition these days. Put me down for one of #2 and maybe a #1 if the price is right. The Giants are a right side of an infield away from a decent lineup, and there are ways to get it without setting the farm ablaze. I hope.
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Voting…. where’s the voting???
My mid-morning is all confusion without the voting!!!!
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe I’m typing this, but I hope they stand pat. 2 months ago I wanted MAJOR changes, but I enjoy this team as is, and what I believe they will be in the near future.
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by NuschlerFace on Jul 10, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I kind of would like them to pick up a second baseman from category 1 or 2 (although Uribe is playing well, I still think the team would be much stronger with him as the primary backup infielder and a different second baseman), maybe a reliever – the bullpen isn’t that good beyond the top 3 – and stick with that.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Mr. Martinez due to come back after the All-Star break or thereabouts? I wonder what they will do with him.
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I understand.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Rios (Tor) a #2 or a #3?
Yes, he is my current stalking victim fascination for the week.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If rumors are correct, he’s a #3 but I really don’t understand why the Blue Jays would want to dump him so desperately.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he won’t sign autographs (to old douchebag Canadians)
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Met him in Dunedin, FL 2 springs ago and he seemed nice enough (for a metrosexual modern man)
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like it wouldnt take much to get Rios
but we dont really need OFs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 10, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stick him Center. He seems to aviod walls and has been seen to use a cut off man.
Snark aside the team realy doesn’t have much of anything cooking on the farm for CF and even if the Brass decides to keep Rowand in CF most of the time the team still needs to be abel to rest him.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rios contract will make us unable to resign Lincecum.
Lincecum will sign with Toronto out of spite.
Toronto wins WS.
McC mass suicide.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what?
$9.7 MM for 2010 ( almost eh same amount of money if we got a F. Sanchez and no one is worried there.)
$12 MM for 2011
$12MM for 2012 ( Rowands last year)
$12.5MM for 2013
$12.5MM for 2014
$13.5MM or a $1MM buy out for 2015.
As for 2011 through 2014 it is the same kind money Rowand is getting but Rois really is an elite glove. Rowand is also gone after 2012. Yes, I agree it is good chunk of money but it is not a contract that would strap the franchise as this page will shows. ( Unless the ownership suddenly goes all cheap skate on us in which case all bets are off). If that contract straps teh Giatns then they realy shold not look to sign any impact free agent postion players at all.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this lineup is adequate to make a run at a 90+ win season. However, the Giants hitters will be severely outmatched in the playoffs. The Giants batters have shown no interest in working a count which is essential against good playoff pitching. Also the book on several giants batters is uncomplicated. I think they need more than just one bat. They would need an outfield upgrade and a second baseman and there just aren’t enough teams in sell mode this year. My vote would be to let Frandsen and Ishikaw finish the season as every day players and find a cheap outfielder with some power in case Bowker doesn’t work out.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the August wavier wire could also give the Giants an option for the Frands-Ishi-wker questions. It would be nice if the team did pick up a cheap up grade a second before that though and see if this cheep upgrade was proprely installed eerrm i mean working out.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't look now, but Ishikawa is actually hitting pretty okay lately
by joe t on Jul 10, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is, but I think it’d be fools gold to think he’s going to continue hitting this well. Still, he’s good enough to the point where you don’t HAVE to get a Nick Johnson and thus overpay.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, He hit pretty poorly in april
And since then he has like a .850 OPS.
His current ~ .760 OPS is in line w/ his overall MLB production (albient SSS).
I think the TI we see right now is pretty much the TI we can expect.
And given the alternative, I’m cool with that.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current OPS+: 99
Almost average!
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying this in support of you, not mocking. I like Ishikawa.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's hit 6 HR's in the last month
That is nothing to sneeze at.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really am interested in seeing what he does for the rest of the season – if he keeps hitting like he has since early May, that’s great. He might just settle into something where he hits for about a 100 OPS+ but, I dunno, I’m really encouraged by how he’s hit the past couple months.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just wish he could lay off that curveball in the dirt.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t we all. :(
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is
If he does learn to lay off it, his OPS likely shoots up 100 points.
Taking him from pretty okay to good.
That would be awesome.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth the risk to finding out in my book. To me the insurance policy for this risk (should it fail terribly) would be the August waiver wire. Should he does not fail terribly then no worries.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's starting to look more and more
Like the risk is he stays at ~ 100 OPS+ w/ GG caliber defense.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry. We can’t possibly have a 100 OPS+ 1st baseamn. Giants Brass will protect us from such a thing.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
But that is something he can work on.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. he has been better about it lately.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DON'T SWING AT THAT
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s now gotten to the point where he lays off of it sometimes.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he could suggest this to Schierholtz, then.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the funny thing is that a curveball is very easy to spot. from arm angle to spin any major league hitter can see it coming. ishi-nate just can’t lay off it!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s what amazes me. How can they never learn?
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
organizational philosophy: Golf is Fun
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 10, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants Way ( hitting) :
MUST
BE
AGRRESSIVE.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BE AGRESSIVE
/cheers with pom-poms
BE BE AGRESSIVE
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by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes they’re sliders, which are tougher to pick up.
like the ones that hit Schierholtz
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
it it was a slider or a change or a splitter. i would understand. those pitches are supposed to look like fastballs. but the ones that come it at 80mph and break straight down are the ones that drive me insane.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Schierholtz told Bowker to swing like that in his first AB yesterday.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am going to give johnny bowker a break. it was his first day back and he didn’t want to take a BB in his first AB. plus he is from Sactown!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to, but that looked suspiciously like last year’s Bowker up there last night.
Even the walk consisted of three pitches nowwhere near the strike zone.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He started out 0-2 in that AB though and then took pitches he’d swung at in the first AB. I’m going to give him more than a day.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember one of them being closish, but at least two of them were Luis Perdomo meltdown specials.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still took the walk and then had a pretty good AB and hit the ball hard the next time up.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine Bochy and Lansford giving him a pregame pep talk. “Nice work down there on the farm, son. But you’re in the big leagues now. Real men swing away.”
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it was krukow
“walkin’ is for pussies”
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Mitchell
“If the catcher can catch it, it can be hit”
I’m not making this up
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could be bengie molina’s dad.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOO SOON
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maternal Uncle.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 10, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina doesn’t limit himself to the pitches that can be caught by the catcher.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced it was Dunston
“STOP CHEATING THE GAME!”
by ryanmiles on Jul 10, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
love me the sactown though.
I’ll miss it when I move in a month.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh that’s it! abandon ship!
now who will I share ghetto bird stories with?
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will not really miss our particular neighborhood.
Except for that Mexican place at the corner of Howe and Wyda
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah man Sactown is paradise. where would you possibly go?
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wife got into Berkeley, so I’m moving to the wretched East Bay.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool downtown are there. it won’t be bad. and you will be closer to the AT&T park!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, there are upsides.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could afford it we’d move in a heartbeat. I lived in the Bay Area for ~ 20 years before I got priced out, I’ve lived in Sac for ~10 and I still miss the Bay Area. Things like (believe it or not) reliable public transit, easy access to hiking, festivals, concerts, and sporting events…
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Bochy hates walks so naturally he also hates Bowkermania.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everytime Nate Schierholtz swings at a ball that hits him, an angel is mercilessly beaten
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Nate could lay off that curveball that hits him.
Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...
by bkrhater on Jul 10, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
And this is worth basically nothing, but he looks good up there too.
And the glove is sweet. We keep forgetting to talk about it, but it does bring a lot of value.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he has saved some runs recently. and that means something for a team that doesn’t score often.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is basically replacement level
for a first baseman
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but most of the 1B options out there are like 1 win upgrades at most. Is that worth what it’ll take to get it?
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not, no
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the .720-.760 is reasonable, I was referring to his .850 levels that won’t keep up
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ishi
May 10 and earlier (76 pa) – .188 / .250 / .246 (0 hr / 650 pa)
May 11 and later (124 pa) – .325 / .379 / .544 (37 hr / 650 pa)
by SnowLeopard on Jul 10, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a SS of 124 pa’s you can make any player look like a good and any player look terrible.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But the point is that Ishikawa has been playing better since a rather disappointing start to the season.
Is that SSS fluke or more of an indicator of true talent level ? I don’t know.
So far, TI has a MLB Total of ~ 330 PA’s with a ~.770 OPS. Given his defense and the inability of the team to field a competent 1b in forever, I am totally happy with this.
If this represents his current talent level, I will consider that a success.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BABIP is still too high. He’s probably a .250 hitter long-term, so he’s going to need to hit a few more homers to be a decent option. The glove sure helps, though.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But so is his K%. As both regress, I expect a net gain of ~ 0
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep on saying this. Why would his K% regress? How is he getting unlucky? 330 PA’s are a fine sample size for K%, and his numbers are completely in line with his minor league ones.
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:-(
by Cookyman on Jul 10, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Giants&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2009&month=0
He’s climbing up this chart too. Sure our offense isn’t that great but I don’t see how people can still keep bashing him when he’s in the neighborhood of our 3rd-4th best position player.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, honestly
People haven’t really been bashing him much since Flannery started giving him the DINGERZ sign.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stop bashing him
when he’s in the upper 1/2 of NL 1B.
Right now he’s 13/17 among NL 1B with >= 200 PA. He needs to get his wOBA in the .365 range before I take him seriously as a bonafide 1B.
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By wOBA, sure.
By WAR he’s squarely between Adamn Laroche (.9) and Nick Johson (1.1). Coincidentally two players that have been discussed here to replace him.
He’s not a great 1b, But he is on track to be about a 2 WAR player at the position. That means he is really not the low hanging fruit the FO needs to target this deadline.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point isn't that he's gonna OPS .950 forever
The point is, Sabes, put down the MadBum-for-Nick-Johnson crack (or whatever)
by SnowLeopard on Jul 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can get better. Remember, he’s still technically a rookie and getting his first nearly full time playing gig at this level. A lot of learning at this level is seeing a lot of the same guys over and over and making adjustments to their adjustments. He’s just starting to do that. Plus, his defense is stellar.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m almost certain he’s no longer a rookie, not that that really refutes your points or anything
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean this is still his rookie season, technically. He had less than 130 at bats prior to this season (119 by my count).
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I thought he’d exceeded that. Either way, your point was just as valid
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree, but he’s hit really well since April (obviously April counts, but he just hasn’t been a bad hitter since then AND he’s changed a lot of his hitting peripherals since then as well). It’s at the point where, though Nick Johnson would be an upgrade, he wouldn’t really be a significant one.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not going to turn down Johnson (TWSS) if he comes cheap, but they really need to focus on second base.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with this.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John “the Answer” Bowker. Problem solved.
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
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by LeMasterBlaster on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Six months ago, would you have traded John Bowker straight up for Matt Holliday? Would you do that same deal today?
Yes
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No way. No way.
Holliday is not the player he was in Coors Field.
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which still makes him better than any of the outfielders we have now.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude’s slugging like .410 right now, that’s worrisome.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am rosterbating to the almost .100 IsoD.
/runs for the aloe
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That part is very nice.
Though it’s sometimes a bit worrisome when all of a sudden, a player loses a ton of power and gains a lot of on-base.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday has a
wOBA* of 0.368 which is not too bad, but his UZR of 1.2 makes him a little cost prohibitive.
Rowen’s wOBA* is .363 for season but a UZR at -1.1.
Lewis has a wOBA* of .326 with a UZR at 3.5
Nate Schierholtz has a wOBA* .331 with a UZR at 4.6
Randy Winn has wOBA* .324 with a UZR 7.5
I personally think if Giants are out buying out fielders they should be looking at better defense they already have one useless out fielder that is hitting ok. Forget Holiday.
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by InSpokane on Jul 10, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Holliday’s UZR in 07 was 14.2
In 08 it was 9.1
I put more stock into those 2600 innings than 700 this year
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mausoleaum
is like the worst park in the majors for power
(too lazy to look up if that is literally correct, and spelling of word in title)
by SnowLeopard on Jul 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he probably doesn’t want to be in Oakland (but who would?). he wants to play for a winner. the talent and skills are there if he’s in the right situation. Stick him in Boston and I bet he goes off again.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention he would be coming back to a league where he knows all the pitchers. There isn’t a team in baseball that wouldn’t jump at the chance to give up an unproven player for a former MVP candidate, no matter what ballpark they play in
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS
reminds me of when Jay Cutler was available. Nobody wanted to take a chance on the guy and I’m like “HELLO?!?!?!?!? these guys don’t come along every day!”. Holliday has moved to a tougher league and gone from one extremely hitter-friendly park to one of the least friendly parks in the bigs. If all it took to get him was Bowker I would not even hesitate.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who’s jay cutler
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 10, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is the guy who discover diabetes
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really the same situation at all. Jay Cutler is a 25 year old QB who has potential to reach an elite level of play and is already pro bowl caliber for his position.
Holliday isn’t the equivalent of that.
Miguel Cabrera is probably a more apt one to make.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, back in the NL West, he'll be able to play at Coors Field sometimes
Secret Weapon!!!11
by bobnothing on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say this was crazy talk, but that wouldn’t do it justice
by microwave donut on Jul 10, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
there are people that would say “no” to either question? Seriously?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker’s numbers at Fresno this year translate, conservatively, to .290/.372/478. He’s probably not that good, but say there’s a ten percent chance that he is. Are you going to give up a ten percent chance of having that guy on your roster for years in exchange for 70 games from Matt Holliday?
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d easily trade Bowker for 70 games of Matt Holliday and 2 picks. After all, let’s not forget Bowker is only getting this love from a 70 game sample size, the other 1000+ PA’s he has in the minors suggest mediocrity
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bingo
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 2007 MLE, 522 at-bats, was .308/.365/.529.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Bowkers Overall MLE Is still pretty damn good.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I lied. I was reading the untranslated stats. His 2007 MLE was crappy.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. pretty mediocre.
apparently the adoptive parent of the 2nd best hitter on the team.
/shrug
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Holliday doesn’t bounce back, how much of a chance is there going to be that other teams will be willing to give up 2 picks to sign him? What if he takes arbitration – at which point I believe he has to make AT LEAST $13 million.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is arbitration pay based on?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure he has to make a certain percentage of what he made this year – $13.5 million.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His pay can only down 20% from his 09 base salary
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though he’s been a disappointment, I don’t think he’s been such a disappointment that you’d be able to get a full 20% pay cut on him through arb.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defintiely not, I’d imagine he’d make about the same. Even so, I’d gladly take Holliday again for one year at 13 around 13 million.
While I don’t use them as law, Fangraphs has his dollar value at 7.6 million right now. His defensive numbers are also quite deflated from his past two years where he rated excellently. That could be because of the league change (not sure if UZR is adjusted for league) or just because it’s too small a sample size and it’s wrong.
Either way, I think Holliday is a good bet to be worth 13 million. Plus there is no denying his name value would add a bit of revenue to the team (obviously not a hgue amount, but probably in the 1-2 mil range)
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sudden drop in power really does worry me, though.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I think some of that is league adjustment as well as the sample size.
From 2006-2008 Matt Holliday had pretty solid road stats .296/.370/.486 w/ 33 homers in 869 at-bats. That’s not amazing, but that’s very good (especially coupled with his good defense, albeit at a terrible position). When you factor in that nearly all hitters gain some benefit from hitting at home beyond park factor, Holliday’s true talent levels were probably slightly better than his away splits.
I think a move back to the NL would suit Holliday and he’d be a very good OF again. Nowhere near Coors numbers, but probably something like .290/.370/.500 with plus defense in LF.
To me, that’s absolutely worth John Bowker. That’s worth more than that to me. The problem is, the A’s would want a helluva lot more than Bowker
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man if the Brass is down with spending Teens of millions on another outfielder I would rather they roll the die with Alex Rios.
*Still under 30 next year.
*Still plays nice “D”
*Could possibly play CF ( played over 500 innings there last year)
*His Z-Swing, O-Contact & Z-contact all look to be about the same. His O-Swing is better than last years.
Its a risk but it is a rsik tht coulde pay off in more than 1 way.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s very possible, but I still think Holliday is due to pick it up a bit. EIther way, I think the big issue here is we’re all letting John Bowker go to our heads a bit.
I want to give him a chance to see what he can do, but I do think it would truly be foolish to really scoff at Bowker for Holliday straight
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTOH
It’d also be foolish to think that’s a realistic trade proposal in the first place.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. No way the A’s would trade Holliday without getting one of MadBum, Posey, Alderson
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really know if they can expect an even more lucrative package than they gave up for him – he’s hit poorly since then and it goes from trading for 162 games of Holilday to ~70 games of Holliday. I don’t think it should take one of those three.
I mean, they got him for pretty cheap – a good but not great closer, an okay pitching prospect and a toolsy outfielder. I think if they were to trade him now, they’d have to accept a package that’s not as good as that one. And a package with one of the top 3 is much better than that one.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PAH!
HA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Good luck As. He’s not even close to worth any of those.
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by Viliphied on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him and the 2 picks that comes with him might be
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re talking picks in the 15-30 range … and MAYBE not even in the first round. No fucking way.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
duno
they’d be a late first or sandwich rounder and a 2nd rounder right?
No. still not worth any of those 3.
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by Viliphied on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’d be a late 1st or early 2nd and a sandwich rounder.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
not worth it.
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by Viliphied on Jul 10, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing to pay $13 for just a year
the FA market isn’t booming with great hitters next year anyway. He’s the kind of bat that could help this team contend, and if all it took is Bowker, then I would do it in a heartbeat. I’m pretty sure we are really overvaluing Bowker in the scheme of things.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. For $13M, if he comes back to the NL and rakes again, then the Gs get an awesome left fielder for a year at a decent price and 2 draft picks, and maybe a head start towards a long term deal. If he continues to do nothing, then we can send him on his way
I just wish this was a realistic situation, because there is no way the A’s give him up for as little as we would offer. Damn
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a #2
Super Sized please.
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My fear that Sabes will be fleeced for Pierzynski again fuels my desire for the Giants to stand pat. Ishi is starting to show some improvement as of late and I’d like to see what Bowker can do.
by RealDrew on Jul 10, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo Please
The only deal that makes sense to me is any deal that brings back Adrian Gonzalez.
He will be here for certain through ‘10 with club option in ’11 at only $5 million per. He is exactly what this team needs: a difference maker with the bat and doesn’t give up anything with the glove.
Send them Ishikawa, Posey, Alderson and Crawford.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i am going to have to disagree with you on this.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a once in a lifetime shot
Owner wants to dump salary. Gonzalez likes the west coast.
Have to give up something. What is Posey’s upside? Probably pretty dang good I admit, but will he ever give you 40 homers and 120 RBIs? Even a HOF catcher can’t play everyday. Have to give to get.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cannot give up Posey
After paying him 6 Million signing bonus. All star catchers comes around once every 4-5 years, and there is only one of them in a draft. The Giants may not be in position to draft an all-star level catcher for 15 years.
Posey is the real deal.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ironically
we already have one. He just happens to be playing 3B. Oh, and is only a “deserved” all-star
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually this
good point.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes me think:
Wouldn’t this make more sense?
3B Posey
&
C Sandoval
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think Sandoval could stick at C longer than he could at 3B, but it seems like most scouting suggests that Posey = GG Catcher and Sandoval = not.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK for some reason, I want to compare Posey to Longoria.
Ah, pipe-dreams.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the 3B/C rotation idea to keep them fresh. I can’t remember who advocated that, but props to that person.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 10, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just recycling old ideas.
It’s the green Giants way
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner would probably be someone I would include instead of Gerald.
Have you seen Buster hit in person? The kid is for real.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Gonzalez hit?
24 Homers in half a season – playing at Petco Park!
Gold Glove
27 years old
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
finding a left handed first baseman is much easier than finding an all star catcher.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez is a pretty rare player as well. Elite run producers in their prime don’t grow on trees. Outside of Pujols, there is probably an argument that Adrian Gonzalez might be the most productive offensive player this year
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would certainly take Joe Mauer over Adrian Gonzalez. I understand there is no proof that Posey is Joe Mauer. But I"ll take my chances with 6 years of Posey. Nevermind that posey alone wouldn’t get Adrian Gonzalez.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that argument.
Joe Mauer would be the obvious #2.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, Gonzalez has been elite so far this year but before this year, he was a still fantastic but not quite Pujolsian bat (125-140ish OPS+). He’s also cooled off from a torrid start.
If he’s a 160 OPS+ bat, you have to consider a trade like that, but if he settles back into his career norms?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take any of the NL All-star first basemen over either of the NL All-star catchers.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’ll wipe out half the best talent in the farm for 1 guy?
Adrian Gonzalez by himself sure is helping the Padres win games. Check out that record of 35-50. The Padres pretty much screwed themselves selling the farm, and you’re suggesting we do the same thing.
I’ll take my chances with Buster and company for the future. Like jct said, All-Star catchers are hard to find. As for now, the Giants are playing good ball. We probably need an additional string arm in the ’pen and an average middle infielder to compliment this surprisingly okay winning team.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I would love to see Gonzalez but not for that much, which is what it would take.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did the Padres sell the farm? They didn’t really have much of a farm to sell really.
And siting the Padres poor record as a reason not like Adrian is foolish as well, because without him, they might be the Nationals
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
you can’t blame him for their other terrible hitters.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they didn’t sell it really. But it is very barren. Off the top of my head, I can’t name a top position prospect in their farm system.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donavan Tate!!!
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did just have a good draft, but they had a good stretch of years where their drafting was awful and they didn’t do much outside of the US.
Kind of like the Giants before 2006!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/body slams two high school kids
//steals car
///drives off drunk
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DONT U KNOW WHO I AM
I’m MATT MOTHERFUCKING BUSH!
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The had a lot of hype that didn’t pan out. See : Kouzmanoff, Sean Burroughs.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol Sean Burroughs
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Barfield!
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t they send him to the Indians?
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and he kind of fizzled out spectacularly.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and receieved Kouzmanoff.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah I am not saying sell the farm. My scenario doesn’t include the top prospect in the farm system, nor Villalona, nor Rodriguez, nor the other low minors guys and it brings back a player that will be here a minimum of 2.5 years.
Gonzalez is the best fit for this team, it would take a blockbuster to get it done. I am not interested in doing it for another team. And to pawn off the Padres losses on him is ludicrous. It would make more sense to pawn off his recent struggles at the plate on them because he has ZERO protection.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal, Ishikawa, Crawford, Alderson for Gonzalez
That I could live with. Probably not enough for Towers, though. At that point, I still wouldn’t deal Posey.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably throw in Guzman
instead of Crawford.
Mostly cuz Crawford is needed in SF, and Guzman would attempt to soften the blow at their 1st base position.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 10, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Padres just trade Eaton for Young and Gonzo??
That should be regarded as a much worse deal than the Pierzynski deal, IMO.
by VizquelQuest on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka for Young, Gonzalez, and Termel Sledge
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was some Hamburglar stuff right there
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins traded him the first time to Texas
for Ugeth Urbina
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh Otsuka too - now it makes sense
thanks for clarifying!
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That trade was truly horrendous
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pads have some decent prospects now...
It’s just been awhile.
1) Mat Latos – Better than Alderson in my opinion
2) Blanks – Like I’ve said many times, I’d gladly trade Alderson for him
3) Forsythe – Gotta love his filthy walk rates. Supposedly a plus defender at 3B (might move to 2B). I hear he’s a poor man’s Youkilis
4) Jaff Decker – youngest player in low-A and he walks at a crazy rate and is a plus defender in RF
5) Tate – if they sign him
6) Weems – supposedly great with the glove and has a .471 OBP in high A. No pwoer at all though
7) Adys Portillo – 2 million dollar international signing, supposedly has great stuff
8) Jon Galvez – international signing at SS that has a .500+ OBP currently in rookie league at age 18
9) Will Inman – just a solid pitcher
10) A glut of guys in high-A with promise in their rotation (Pelzer, Kluber, Luebke, McBryde). Baron has called them the best staff in the CAL, as they all have nearly a K per inning and low walk rates
Up in the bigs
Headley – I still think there’s promise there once they get rid of Kouzmanoff and put him at 3B
Everth Cabrera – this kid is looking like the next Rafael Furcal. Pretty nice for a rule V pick
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have improved their farm quite a lot in the last few years, but it was awful for awhile.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston is a team that is *ugh*
Their MLB team is breaking up after this year, and their farm system is a complete wasteland, devoid of any talent whatsoever.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston has to be one of the worst run teams in the majors.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beyond terrible. Their owner is always willing to spend money, but insists it be done stupidly
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets, too
another team that almost has to go for it this year, and they won’t be any good for awhile.
The dodgers minor league is “bad” because all their kids are playing in the majors right now.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely, I’d say until about 05-06, it was continually terrible. BA still ranks it low, but honestly, I think it’s in the upper half.
I’ll probably take flak for this, but I honestly feel their top 15 guys collectively are just as good as our top 15 guys, but that’s also because I think we have a decent amount of overrated prospects (Noonan, Villalona to a degree, Sosa) although we also have some nice underrated onces (Neal, Barnes).
To me, the only edge we have right now farmwise is Posey, who can be an elite player at a premium position, which is something they don’t have
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are top heavy
Top 4 as good as any team out there, huge drop off after that.
If Tommy Joseph and Wheeler can come in and fix that (and if Ralph Rod is the real deal) then we can be pretty damn good in a hurry
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that pretty much sums it up. Although I still must say Angel Villalona is really overrated to this point. Yes, he’s very young for high A, but he’s performing beyond terribly.
This guy could just as easily miss altogether
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It certainly seems that way with Angel. When you watch him play, he seems a little hesitant or lost at the plate sometimes.
I don’t know if a lot of coaching or more playing time in San Jose will help, but FWIW the raw talent, bat speed & power is there. He has lot of learning to do. I say Kiesch & Neal have the edge on him in plate discipline which isn’t saying much.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe
Molina
Sandoval
Yup, they’re top heavy.
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by Juan Primo on Jul 10, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It still is awful.
Blanks (meh) Latos, and Darnell does not make for a good system.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
a) Blanks has always been young for his levels and never posted an OBP below .380. It’s also very likely for him to have a ton of power potential going forward
b) Latos is better than any pitcher we have in the minors with the possible exception of MadBum (who doesn’t have the breaking ball Latos has)
c) Darnell is solid, but I wouldn’t even put him in their top 10. Forsythe, Decker, and Galvez are all better offensive prospects IMO, not to mention Donovan Tate and Everett Williams when they sign.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they sign.
Latos is one of the better prospects in the game no doubt. Blanks is good but not great. He’s going to be stuck to first base, and likely will be a huge liability with the glove. He puts up decent OBP but he’s not a huge walk machine by any means and his power potential is limited because of his swing.
Decker’s scouting reports are not very encouraging for the future. He can get on base and hit, but he seems like more of an AL type player.
Darnell is one of the best prospects they have. Great amateur pedigree and performance and he has solid tools across the board.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a) Huge liability with the glove? I’ve never heard anything wrong with his glove (not to mention he seems athletic to play LF somewhat).
b) decent OBP? he’s never been below .380 ONCE in his pro career despite being young for his levels. He’s not Kevin Youkilis, but he is very good at drawing walks. better than ANYONE we have in our system.
c) What’s wrong with Decker’s reports? The guy is said to have very good range in RF (CF in high school) and he could’ve been drafted as a pitcher (suggesting he has a killer arm). The guy stole 9 bases last year in 1/3 of a season, so he can’t be THAT slow. When you are the youngest player in the league and you walk more than you strike out, you are doing something very good.
d) what is an AL type player? The AL is the better league talentwise, so does that mean he is a better player?
e) Darnell is a good prospect, but how is he any better than Forsythe who continues to play one level above him and is the exact same age.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darnell and Forsythe are both at AA….
Decker has no projection left in his body and every scouting report has him as having below average to terrible athleticism. Think a much slower Nick Swisher if you will. By AL type player I mean he may ultimately end up a DH if he can’t play a true position as he gets older and fills out.
Blanks glove itself is fine, but his range at BEST is average and that’s if he’s in tip top shape. He has to work extremely hard to remain in shape.
I just think it’s funny you think the Padres actually have a good system or something when everyone in the baseball world has them as having one of the worst, even with their recent improvements in drafting.
And it’s great that they keep finding players who can walk, but when almost all of them project to not hit at upper levels and lack power, then what is the use of having a bunch of Brian Giles at age 38 in terms of production?
Matt AntoneLOLi. Sean Burroughs, Khalil Greene, Josh Barfield, etc. Their system has been a wasteland for years and nobody they develop ever is able to hit big league pitching all that well. None of these other lower tiered projection prospects look like they will be all that great either.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a) Darnell is in high A dude, they play the same position.
b) The Padres system was in the top 10 by BA in 07, then in the bottom 5 the next year. That’s inconsistency on BA’s part, even though very little changed in their system.
c) laughing at Greene? He’s had a better career than any player we’ve developed between Matt Williams and Pablo
by NeifiChicken on Jul 11, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it’s not a salary dump if they guy you’re dumping is making relatively next to nothing.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s making what 8million? That’s super affordable. Peavy is the one they need to trade and they should have done so over the off-season. No, they don’t trade Adrian to dump salary. They trade Adrian to fleece another team of its best prospects.
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres are not going to dump Gonzalez. He is the face of their team going forward. He has marketing appeal across the border (a market the Padres have been trying to get for like 20 years) . If you have URL with a direct quote to contradict this then I’ll talk about it in a civil fashion with out scorn but tell then is it like talking about setting up a scouting school on the dark side of the moon.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Switch Neal with Posey and you’ve got a deal.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for the Padres
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by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No on Posey...
Would do a deal for Gonzo for Ishi, Alderson, AnVil, and Crawford though – Or to make things really interesting would do a Gonzo and Peavy deal for MadBum, Ishi, Anvil, Crawford, Sanchez, and Lewis.
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 10, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo and Peavy
That would make the Giants heavy favorites in a playoff series. The core would be locked up for years too.
Lincecum, Peavy, Cain with a lineup that has both Sandoval and Gonzo…wow!
by VizquelQuest on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT is some rosterbation that's getting me excited
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Peavy is even healthy enough to pitch this year
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I wouldn’t be gung-ho on trading for him, his short- and long-term health concerns me.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a bad ankle and has been rotting on my fantasy DL for a while. I wouldn’t consider him a big risk long term though, and he is expected back next month
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh...
I brought up this idea before.
Problem is…
It’s doubtful they’d go for that.
Alderson might have to be thrown in as well, and that’s basically throwing away your farm system.
I’m not necessarily against it, but if it doesn’t have the fairy tale ending we desire, we essentially have no back up plans from the farm system.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 10, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather deal Villalona than Posey. Quality catchers are hard to come by.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to be the consensus. And I love Posey – been to San Jose to see him and watch on Comcast Hometown Buffet. But, in this pipedream scenario I can’t imagine the Padres accepting a deal without him.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure he doesn’t want to be a Yankee when he grows up?
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only position that screams for an upgrade is 2b. A league-average hitter (not offensive second-baseman) at second would really improve the line-up, move Uribe into a super-sub role all over the infield, and allow Edgar to sit more often. It would also make Aurilia even more expendable. Freddy Sanchez (who is obviously above-average), please!
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also voting 1 or 2. Grant you control our thinking so subtly.
Sergio Romo should be close to untouchable. Without him, we would see Howry or Medders in 7th and 8th innings of tight games. AAAaarrgghhh. Yeccchhh. And Merkin misplaced his consistency too.
Lefthanded hitting outfielders, there we have a surplus: Nate, Fred, John B…but it would take more to get Holliday. Bowker and a pitching prospect other than AlderBum? OK by me.
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by foothillsfan on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome
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by jhiat00 on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#4 Go for it
If the Giants can retain the core of the organization – Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval and Posey – then I’m in favor of going all in for a difference maker that the organization would retain for more than just this season.
John Bowker could be the bat that we have been waiting for, brother. Adding a Doc Halladay to a rotation that already includes Lincecum and Cain could be a World Series contender. Adding an Adrian Gonzales to the middle of this lineup makes the team very dangerous.
Playoffs are fine but I want a serious World Series contender.
by wilriv21 on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel this way frequently too
like the giants should take a shot when they have a healthy playoff-contending team. but then i think about teams like the braves and how they were in the playoffs for like ten straight years and I wonder if the giants should be more patient.
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My pref lists
Option 1: Uggla and Nick Johnson
Option 2: Kelly Johnson and Klye Blanks
Option 3: Adam Kennedy and Scott Rolen
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d also LOVE Rios, but I don’t think he’ll be cheap to get. His contract is really quite reasonable for his production
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory, Rios shouldn’t be cheap to get at all because, yeah, even this year, his contract is still pretty reasonable for his production and if he goes back to his old levels, it’s a downright steal.
And yet, the rumors are that Ricciardi just wants to dump him.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Rios for Chris Lincecum
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey every once in a while a contending team gets a break. ’93 had the Braves getting Sheffield for a song. ’01 the Dbacks had the league cover part of their payroll. The point is the Giants have not had one of those kind of breaks for decades, we are due, and why the hell not us?
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we’re the Giants?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 10, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine! Be logical and sensible.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some reporter in Miami thinks the Marlins need a closer and Uggla is trade bait. I think I’m going to have a wet dream about an Uggla for Wilson deal but since the Marlins are one of the better run organizations I just can’t see it happening.
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by Li on Jul 10, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilson for Uggla? Here you go Florida! Remember, no backsies!
/not seeing this happen
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I am also sure the front office would not do this.
Maybe the Fish are trying to talk the Pirates into something.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do it in a heartbeat. Not sure if it would be enough for FLA, but I could see them having interest if we added a piece.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this kinda deal makes some sense
Altho frankly I’m a little scared to let go of Wilson, as much as he is maligned around here he has actually been pretty good this year.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sure florida is a little scared of him too after seeing that performance against them
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I have to wonder if all the folks so eager to get rid of Wilson have forgotten all those games when the ninth was being pitched by guys named Benitez, Hennessey, Walker, and Herges.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Romo and Affeldt are a LOT better than those douches were.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That said, I still wouldn’t be all that comfortable trading Wilson right now.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree. we still have a plan right now if one of our three was injured. if we traded wilson and affeldt or romo got injured. we would be screwed.
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d consider it strongly in the offseason but I think it would be a mistake in the middle of the season.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would you give up Romo for Uggla?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 10, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feelings exactly
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s fair to compare our situation right now with that of yesteryear. Our farm system is stacked so we have the arms to come up and try to replace any RP even Wilson.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
If you give up your close midway through the season, isn’t that giving up on the season when you have no proven closer left? Sure, Romo or Affeldt might work, but what if they don’t?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson and Lewis
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell Sanchez as a possible closer…. He’s got the stuff! I think Sanchez could become an elite relief pitcher
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's actually not a terrible idea...
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think
it would be better (but more ballsy) to trade wilson and put Sanchez in to close ourselves!
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the killer instinct in Sanchez. When things don’t go his way he just seems to lose it. Not what you want in a closer.
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the cut of your jibe.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not even that ballsy with Affeldt and Romo as viable alternatives
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by Goofus on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, at this point, you make only a move for a guy who is a difference maker. Getting a player who’s a little above average (Johnson) or a player who is a lifetime .260 hitter with no range (Uggla) makes no sense.
Ad Gonz, no we’re talking, but the price might be prohibitive.
Not convinced that Holliday can hit outside of Coors either. Although, his road splits aren’t all that bad. Again, the price might be high given the 2 draft pick part of the scenario.
The Giants were aiming for 2010. Do you throw that away at this point and go for it? Or do you stay patient?
Tough Call I think.
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