Different Trade Philosophies for the Giants
Everyone has tired of one of life's simplest pleasures, rosterbation. That's sad. It isn't even the last week of July. There's still a lot left, folks. Put some aloe vera on, and get back in the ring.
Instead of writing about players I do or don't want, it might be a better opening salvo to group the players into four categories:
1. Rent-a-Players
These are players who will be around in November if they really compress your accordion, but they also don't have a crazy amount of trade value. Adam LaRoche, Nick Johnson, Aubrey Huff, Felipe Lopez, and Adam Kennedy. It shouldn't take a top-ten prospect to even start the conversation about these players. There's also a question of whether they'd be marked improvements over Travis Ishikawa and Kevin Frandsen/Juan Uribe. It's easy to say, "sure, I'd trade Merkin Valdez for Aubrey Huff," but there's a decent chance Ishikawa is the better player over the next three months, and that's not even considering the value of the players traded away.
Note that this category doesn't really include Matt Holliday, as the A's are going to want a package that's better than the two first-round picks they'll get if Holliday signs with another team this offseason. That's a price that the Giants shouldn't pay. Though then the Giants would get those picks to help minimize the hit to the farm system. Now I'm confused. I still don't want Holliday, but it would all depend on what the A's want.
2. Stickin'-Arounders
These are the players who would be under the Giants' control for next season, at least. Freddy Sanchez and Dan Uggla are the obvious ones, but the Giants could get creative with good, young players having good seasons (Alberto Callaspo), or good, young players having poor seasons because of bad luck (Kelly Johnson). It's easy to get caught up in the somewhat-distant future (Posey! Bumgarner! Alderson!) and hold firm that the Giants should make every transaction with that eventual roster as the end game. But Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain are pretty danged good right now. Aaron Rowand is a productive outfielder right now. Pablo Sandoval is a deserving All-Star right now. Maybe that will all be true in 2011, too, but there's a lot of sense in making a move that helps the Giants contend in 2010 as well as for the next three months.
But there's some pain involved. Uggla doesn't come over unless a top-four prospect goes back. Freddy Sanchez would probably come at a price of Jonathan Sanchez plus a prospect or two. The Royals have never mentioned anything about trading Callaspo, who's young and cheap, so they'd have to be knocked over with an offer. The Braves and Giants match up really well -- the Braves could use an outfielder to bridge the gap between zombie Garret Anderson and Jordan Schafer/Jason Heyward, and they already have the replacement for Kelly Johnson starting at second -- but even though it seems like Johnson's poor season is due to awful luck with balls put in play, maybe he's misplaced his talent for good.
3. Here. No backsies.
This is a pretty wide-open category, filled with players who are overpaid and/or not producing. The Giants could probably trade Eugenio Velez for Vernon Wells, for example. Of course Wells's contract might actually be worse than Barry Zito's, so there's a reason he's in the free box. The White Sox probably don't have a lot of interest in paying Paul Konerko $12M next season. Even though Scott Rolen is having a fantastic season, he's an injury-prone player scheduled to make $11M in 2010, so the Blue Jays shouldn't expect much in return if they decide to trade him. The Giants could find a good player for the short-term in this category, but he would probably limit the team's roster-building options for next year or longer.
4. Pop goes the farm system 'cause the farm system goes pop
Roy Halladay. Victor Martinez. Adrian Gonzalez. It's like the second category, but more painful. Sure, you can have them, but at least one of Posey/Bumgarner/Villalona/Alderson are going the other way. At least one, probably two, maybe more. A realistic package for Martinez, for example: Bumgarner, Villalona, and Sergio Romo. The throw-ins for a deal like this would be better than the entire package given up for the players in the first category.
It's kind of a weird trade deadline. Six months ago, would you have traded John Bowker straight up for Matt Holliday? Would you do that same deal today? Exactly. Freddy Sanchez for Jonathan Sanchez would have made blood come out of this site's nose in December, but it sure seems like a reasonable proposition these days. Put me down for one of #2 and maybe a #1 if the price is right. The Giants are a right side of an infield away from a decent lineup, and there are ways to get it without setting the farm ablaze. I hope.
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Voting…. where’s the voting???
My mid-morning is all confusion without the voting!!!!
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe I’m typing this, but I hope they stand pat. 2 months ago I wanted MAJOR changes, but I enjoy this team as is, and what I believe they will be in the near future.
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by NuschlerFace on Jul 10, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I kind of would like them to pick up a second baseman from category 1 or 2 (although Uribe is playing well, I still think the team would be much stronger with him as the primary backup infielder and a different second baseman), maybe a reliever – the bullpen isn’t that good beyond the top 3 – and stick with that.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Mr. Martinez due to come back after the All-Star break or thereabouts? I wonder what they will do with him.
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I understand.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Rios (Tor) a #2 or a #3?
Yes, he is my current stalking victim fascination for the week.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If rumors are correct, he’s a #3 but I really don’t understand why the Blue Jays would want to dump him so desperately.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he won’t sign autographs (to old douchebag Canadians)
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Met him in Dunedin, FL 2 springs ago and he seemed nice enough (for a metrosexual modern man)
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like it wouldnt take much to get Rios
but we dont really need OFs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 10, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stick him Center. He seems to aviod walls and has been seen to use a cut off man.
Snark aside the team realy doesn’t have much of anything cooking on the farm for CF and even if the Brass decides to keep Rowand in CF most of the time the team still needs to be abel to rest him.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rios contract will make us unable to resign Lincecum.
Lincecum will sign with Toronto out of spite.
Toronto wins WS.
McC mass suicide.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what?
$9.7 MM for 2010 ( almost eh same amount of money if we got a F. Sanchez and no one is worried there.)
$12 MM for 2011
$12MM for 2012 ( Rowands last year)
$12.5MM for 2013
$12.5MM for 2014
$13.5MM or a $1MM buy out for 2015.
As for 2011 through 2014 it is the same kind money Rowand is getting but Rois really is an elite glove. Rowand is also gone after 2012. Yes, I agree it is good chunk of money but it is not a contract that would strap the franchise as this page will shows. ( Unless the ownership suddenly goes all cheap skate on us in which case all bets are off). If that contract straps teh Giatns then they realy shold not look to sign any impact free agent postion players at all.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this lineup is adequate to make a run at a 90+ win season. However, the Giants hitters will be severely outmatched in the playoffs. The Giants batters have shown no interest in working a count which is essential against good playoff pitching. Also the book on several giants batters is uncomplicated. I think they need more than just one bat. They would need an outfield upgrade and a second baseman and there just aren’t enough teams in sell mode this year. My vote would be to let Frandsen and Ishikaw finish the season as every day players and find a cheap outfielder with some power in case Bowker doesn’t work out.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the August wavier wire could also give the Giants an option for the Frands-Ishi-wker questions. It would be nice if the team did pick up a cheap up grade a second before that though and see if this cheep upgrade was proprely installed eerrm i mean working out.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't look now, but Ishikawa is actually hitting pretty okay lately
by joe t on Jul 10, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is, but I think it’d be fools gold to think he’s going to continue hitting this well. Still, he’s good enough to the point where you don’t HAVE to get a Nick Johnson and thus overpay.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, He hit pretty poorly in april
And since then he has like a .850 OPS.
His current ~ .760 OPS is in line w/ his overall MLB production (albient SSS).
I think the TI we see right now is pretty much the TI we can expect.
And given the alternative, I’m cool with that.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Current OPS+: 99
Almost average!
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying this in support of you, not mocking. I like Ishikawa.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's hit 6 HR's in the last month
That is nothing to sneeze at.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really am interested in seeing what he does for the rest of the season – if he keeps hitting like he has since early May, that’s great. He might just settle into something where he hits for about a 100 OPS+ but, I dunno, I’m really encouraged by how he’s hit the past couple months.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just wish he could lay off that curveball in the dirt.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t we all. :(
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is
If he does learn to lay off it, his OPS likely shoots up 100 points.
Taking him from pretty okay to good.
That would be awesome.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth the risk to finding out in my book. To me the insurance policy for this risk (should it fail terribly) would be the August waiver wire. Should he does not fail terribly then no worries.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's starting to look more and more
Like the risk is he stays at ~ 100 OPS+ w/ GG caliber defense.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry. We can’t possibly have a 100 OPS+ 1st baseamn. Giants Brass will protect us from such a thing.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
But that is something he can work on.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. he has been better about it lately.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DON'T SWING AT THAT
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s now gotten to the point where he lays off of it sometimes.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he could suggest this to Schierholtz, then.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the funny thing is that a curveball is very easy to spot. from arm angle to spin any major league hitter can see it coming. ishi-nate just can’t lay off it!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s what amazes me. How can they never learn?
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
organizational philosophy: Golf is Fun
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 10, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants Way ( hitting) :
MUST
BE
AGRRESSIVE.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BE AGRESSIVE
/cheers with pom-poms
BE BE AGRESSIVE
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by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes they’re sliders, which are tougher to pick up.
like the ones that hit Schierholtz
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
it it was a slider or a change or a splitter. i would understand. those pitches are supposed to look like fastballs. but the ones that come it at 80mph and break straight down are the ones that drive me insane.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Schierholtz told Bowker to swing like that in his first AB yesterday.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am going to give johnny bowker a break. it was his first day back and he didn’t want to take a BB in his first AB. plus he is from Sactown!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to, but that looked suspiciously like last year’s Bowker up there last night.
Even the walk consisted of three pitches nowwhere near the strike zone.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He started out 0-2 in that AB though and then took pitches he’d swung at in the first AB. I’m going to give him more than a day.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember one of them being closish, but at least two of them were Luis Perdomo meltdown specials.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still took the walk and then had a pretty good AB and hit the ball hard the next time up.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine Bochy and Lansford giving him a pregame pep talk. “Nice work down there on the farm, son. But you’re in the big leagues now. Real men swing away.”
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it was krukow
“walkin’ is for pussies”
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Mitchell
“If the catcher can catch it, it can be hit”
I’m not making this up
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could be bengie molina’s dad.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOO SOON
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maternal Uncle.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 10, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina doesn’t limit himself to the pitches that can be caught by the catcher.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm convinced it was Dunston
“STOP CHEATING THE GAME!”
by ryanmiles on Jul 10, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
love me the sactown though.
I’ll miss it when I move in a month.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh that’s it! abandon ship!
now who will I share ghetto bird stories with?
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will not really miss our particular neighborhood.
Except for that Mexican place at the corner of Howe and Wyda
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah man Sactown is paradise. where would you possibly go?
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wife got into Berkeley, so I’m moving to the wretched East Bay.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool downtown are there. it won’t be bad. and you will be closer to the AT&T park!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, there are upsides.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could afford it we’d move in a heartbeat. I lived in the Bay Area for ~ 20 years before I got priced out, I’ve lived in Sac for ~10 and I still miss the Bay Area. Things like (believe it or not) reliable public transit, easy access to hiking, festivals, concerts, and sporting events…
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Bochy hates walks so naturally he also hates Bowkermania.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everytime Nate Schierholtz swings at a ball that hits him, an angel is mercilessly beaten
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Nate could lay off that curveball that hits him.
Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...
by bkrhater on Jul 10, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
And this is worth basically nothing, but he looks good up there too.
And the glove is sweet. We keep forgetting to talk about it, but it does bring a lot of value.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he has saved some runs recently. and that means something for a team that doesn’t score often.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is basically replacement level
for a first baseman
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but most of the 1B options out there are like 1 win upgrades at most. Is that worth what it’ll take to get it?
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not, no
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the .720-.760 is reasonable, I was referring to his .850 levels that won’t keep up
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ishi
May 10 and earlier (76 pa) – .188 / .250 / .246 (0 hr / 650 pa)
May 11 and later (124 pa) – .325 / .379 / .544 (37 hr / 650 pa)
by SnowLeopard on Jul 10, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a SS of 124 pa’s you can make any player look like a good and any player look terrible.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But the point is that Ishikawa has been playing better since a rather disappointing start to the season.
Is that SSS fluke or more of an indicator of true talent level ? I don’t know.
So far, TI has a MLB Total of ~ 330 PA’s with a ~.770 OPS. Given his defense and the inability of the team to field a competent 1b in forever, I am totally happy with this.
If this represents his current talent level, I will consider that a success.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BABIP is still too high. He’s probably a .250 hitter long-term, so he’s going to need to hit a few more homers to be a decent option. The glove sure helps, though.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But so is his K%. As both regress, I expect a net gain of ~ 0
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep on saying this. Why would his K% regress? How is he getting unlucky? 330 PA’s are a fine sample size for K%, and his numbers are completely in line with his minor league ones.
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:-(
by Cookyman on Jul 10, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Giants&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=6&season=2009&month=0
He’s climbing up this chart too. Sure our offense isn’t that great but I don’t see how people can still keep bashing him when he’s in the neighborhood of our 3rd-4th best position player.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, honestly
People haven’t really been bashing him much since Flannery started giving him the DINGERZ sign.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stop bashing him
when he’s in the upper 1/2 of NL 1B.
Right now he’s 13/17 among NL 1B with >= 200 PA. He needs to get his wOBA in the .365 range before I take him seriously as a bonafide 1B.
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By wOBA, sure.
By WAR he’s squarely between Adamn Laroche (.9) and Nick Johson (1.1). Coincidentally two players that have been discussed here to replace him.
He’s not a great 1b, But he is on track to be about a 2 WAR player at the position. That means he is really not the low hanging fruit the FO needs to target this deadline.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point isn't that he's gonna OPS .950 forever
The point is, Sabes, put down the MadBum-for-Nick-Johnson crack (or whatever)
by SnowLeopard on Jul 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can get better. Remember, he’s still technically a rookie and getting his first nearly full time playing gig at this level. A lot of learning at this level is seeing a lot of the same guys over and over and making adjustments to their adjustments. He’s just starting to do that. Plus, his defense is stellar.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m almost certain he’s no longer a rookie, not that that really refutes your points or anything
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean this is still his rookie season, technically. He had less than 130 at bats prior to this season (119 by my count).
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I thought he’d exceeded that. Either way, your point was just as valid
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree, but he’s hit really well since April (obviously April counts, but he just hasn’t been a bad hitter since then AND he’s changed a lot of his hitting peripherals since then as well). It’s at the point where, though Nick Johnson would be an upgrade, he wouldn’t really be a significant one.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not going to turn down Johnson (TWSS) if he comes cheap, but they really need to focus on second base.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with this.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John “the Answer” Bowker. Problem solved.
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
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by LeMasterBlaster on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Six months ago, would you have traded John Bowker straight up for Matt Holliday? Would you do that same deal today?
Yes
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No way. No way.
Holliday is not the player he was in Coors Field.
by FireBrianSabean on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which still makes him better than any of the outfielders we have now.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude’s slugging like .410 right now, that’s worrisome.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am rosterbating to the almost .100 IsoD.
/runs for the aloe
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That part is very nice.
Though it’s sometimes a bit worrisome when all of a sudden, a player loses a ton of power and gains a lot of on-base.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday has a
wOBA* of 0.368 which is not too bad, but his UZR of 1.2 makes him a little cost prohibitive.
Rowen’s wOBA* is .363 for season but a UZR at -1.1.
Lewis has a wOBA* of .326 with a UZR at 3.5
Nate Schierholtz has a wOBA* .331 with a UZR at 4.6
Randy Winn has wOBA* .324 with a UZR 7.5
I personally think if Giants are out buying out fielders they should be looking at better defense they already have one useless out fielder that is hitting ok. Forget Holiday.
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by InSpokane on Jul 10, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Holliday’s UZR in 07 was 14.2
In 08 it was 9.1
I put more stock into those 2600 innings than 700 this year
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mausoleaum
is like the worst park in the majors for power
(too lazy to look up if that is literally correct, and spelling of word in title)
by SnowLeopard on Jul 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he probably doesn’t want to be in Oakland (but who would?). he wants to play for a winner. the talent and skills are there if he’s in the right situation. Stick him in Boston and I bet he goes off again.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention he would be coming back to a league where he knows all the pitchers. There isn’t a team in baseball that wouldn’t jump at the chance to give up an unproven player for a former MVP candidate, no matter what ballpark they play in
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS
reminds me of when Jay Cutler was available. Nobody wanted to take a chance on the guy and I’m like “HELLO?!?!?!?!? these guys don’t come along every day!”. Holliday has moved to a tougher league and gone from one extremely hitter-friendly park to one of the least friendly parks in the bigs. If all it took to get him was Bowker I would not even hesitate.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who’s jay cutler
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jul 10, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is the guy who discover diabetes
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really the same situation at all. Jay Cutler is a 25 year old QB who has potential to reach an elite level of play and is already pro bowl caliber for his position.
Holliday isn’t the equivalent of that.
Miguel Cabrera is probably a more apt one to make.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, back in the NL West, he'll be able to play at Coors Field sometimes
Secret Weapon!!!11
by bobnothing on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say this was crazy talk, but that wouldn’t do it justice
by microwave donut on Jul 10, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait...
there are people that would say “no” to either question? Seriously?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker’s numbers at Fresno this year translate, conservatively, to .290/.372/478. He’s probably not that good, but say there’s a ten percent chance that he is. Are you going to give up a ten percent chance of having that guy on your roster for years in exchange for 70 games from Matt Holliday?
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d easily trade Bowker for 70 games of Matt Holliday and 2 picks. After all, let’s not forget Bowker is only getting this love from a 70 game sample size, the other 1000+ PA’s he has in the minors suggest mediocrity
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bingo
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 2007 MLE, 522 at-bats, was .308/.365/.529.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Bowkers Overall MLE Is still pretty damn good.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I lied. I was reading the untranslated stats. His 2007 MLE was crappy.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. pretty mediocre.
apparently the adoptive parent of the 2nd best hitter on the team.
/shrug
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Holliday doesn’t bounce back, how much of a chance is there going to be that other teams will be willing to give up 2 picks to sign him? What if he takes arbitration – at which point I believe he has to make AT LEAST $13 million.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is arbitration pay based on?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure he has to make a certain percentage of what he made this year – $13.5 million.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His pay can only down 20% from his 09 base salary
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though he’s been a disappointment, I don’t think he’s been such a disappointment that you’d be able to get a full 20% pay cut on him through arb.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
defintiely not, I’d imagine he’d make about the same. Even so, I’d gladly take Holliday again for one year at 13 around 13 million.
While I don’t use them as law, Fangraphs has his dollar value at 7.6 million right now. His defensive numbers are also quite deflated from his past two years where he rated excellently. That could be because of the league change (not sure if UZR is adjusted for league) or just because it’s too small a sample size and it’s wrong.
Either way, I think Holliday is a good bet to be worth 13 million. Plus there is no denying his name value would add a bit of revenue to the team (obviously not a hgue amount, but probably in the 1-2 mil range)
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sudden drop in power really does worry me, though.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I think some of that is league adjustment as well as the sample size.
From 2006-2008 Matt Holliday had pretty solid road stats .296/.370/.486 w/ 33 homers in 869 at-bats. That’s not amazing, but that’s very good (especially coupled with his good defense, albeit at a terrible position). When you factor in that nearly all hitters gain some benefit from hitting at home beyond park factor, Holliday’s true talent levels were probably slightly better than his away splits.
I think a move back to the NL would suit Holliday and he’d be a very good OF again. Nowhere near Coors numbers, but probably something like .290/.370/.500 with plus defense in LF.
To me, that’s absolutely worth John Bowker. That’s worth more than that to me. The problem is, the A’s would want a helluva lot more than Bowker
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man if the Brass is down with spending Teens of millions on another outfielder I would rather they roll the die with Alex Rios.
*Still under 30 next year.
*Still plays nice “D”
*Could possibly play CF ( played over 500 innings there last year)
*His Z-Swing, O-Contact & Z-contact all look to be about the same. His O-Swing is better than last years.
Its a risk but it is a rsik tht coulde pay off in more than 1 way.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s very possible, but I still think Holliday is due to pick it up a bit. EIther way, I think the big issue here is we’re all letting John Bowker go to our heads a bit.
I want to give him a chance to see what he can do, but I do think it would truly be foolish to really scoff at Bowker for Holliday straight
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTOH
It’d also be foolish to think that’s a realistic trade proposal in the first place.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. No way the A’s would trade Holliday without getting one of MadBum, Posey, Alderson
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really know if they can expect an even more lucrative package than they gave up for him – he’s hit poorly since then and it goes from trading for 162 games of Holilday to ~70 games of Holliday. I don’t think it should take one of those three.
I mean, they got him for pretty cheap – a good but not great closer, an okay pitching prospect and a toolsy outfielder. I think if they were to trade him now, they’d have to accept a package that’s not as good as that one. And a package with one of the top 3 is much better than that one.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PAH!
HA! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Good luck As. He’s not even close to worth any of those.
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by Viliphied on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him and the 2 picks that comes with him might be
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re talking picks in the 15-30 range … and MAYBE not even in the first round. No fucking way.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
duno
they’d be a late first or sandwich rounder and a 2nd rounder right?
No. still not worth any of those 3.
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by Viliphied on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’d be a late 1st or early 2nd and a sandwich rounder.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
not worth it.
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by Viliphied on Jul 10, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be willing to pay $13 for just a year
the FA market isn’t booming with great hitters next year anyway. He’s the kind of bat that could help this team contend, and if all it took is Bowker, then I would do it in a heartbeat. I’m pretty sure we are really overvaluing Bowker in the scheme of things.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. For $13M, if he comes back to the NL and rakes again, then the Gs get an awesome left fielder for a year at a decent price and 2 draft picks, and maybe a head start towards a long term deal. If he continues to do nothing, then we can send him on his way
I just wish this was a realistic situation, because there is no way the A’s give him up for as little as we would offer. Damn
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a #2
Super Sized please.
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My fear that Sabes will be fleeced for Pierzynski again fuels my desire for the Giants to stand pat. Ishi is starting to show some improvement as of late and I’d like to see what Bowker can do.
by RealDrew on Jul 10, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo Please
The only deal that makes sense to me is any deal that brings back Adrian Gonzalez.
He will be here for certain through ‘10 with club option in ’11 at only $5 million per. He is exactly what this team needs: a difference maker with the bat and doesn’t give up anything with the glove.
Send them Ishikawa, Posey, Alderson and Crawford.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i am going to have to disagree with you on this.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a once in a lifetime shot
Owner wants to dump salary. Gonzalez likes the west coast.
Have to give up something. What is Posey’s upside? Probably pretty dang good I admit, but will he ever give you 40 homers and 120 RBIs? Even a HOF catcher can’t play everyday. Have to give to get.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cannot give up Posey
After paying him 6 Million signing bonus. All star catchers comes around once every 4-5 years, and there is only one of them in a draft. The Giants may not be in position to draft an all-star level catcher for 15 years.
Posey is the real deal.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ironically
we already have one. He just happens to be playing 3B. Oh, and is only a “deserved” all-star
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually this
good point.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes me think:
Wouldn’t this make more sense?
3B Posey
&
C Sandoval
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think Sandoval could stick at C longer than he could at 3B, but it seems like most scouting suggests that Posey = GG Catcher and Sandoval = not.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK for some reason, I want to compare Posey to Longoria.
Ah, pipe-dreams.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the 3B/C rotation idea to keep them fresh. I can’t remember who advocated that, but props to that person.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 10, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just recycling old ideas.
It’s the green Giants way
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner would probably be someone I would include instead of Gerald.
Have you seen Buster hit in person? The kid is for real.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Gonzalez hit?
24 Homers in half a season – playing at Petco Park!
Gold Glove
27 years old
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
finding a left handed first baseman is much easier than finding an all star catcher.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez is a pretty rare player as well. Elite run producers in their prime don’t grow on trees. Outside of Pujols, there is probably an argument that Adrian Gonzalez might be the most productive offensive player this year
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would certainly take Joe Mauer over Adrian Gonzalez. I understand there is no proof that Posey is Joe Mauer. But I"ll take my chances with 6 years of Posey. Nevermind that posey alone wouldn’t get Adrian Gonzalez.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that argument.
Joe Mauer would be the obvious #2.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, Gonzalez has been elite so far this year but before this year, he was a still fantastic but not quite Pujolsian bat (125-140ish OPS+). He’s also cooled off from a torrid start.
If he’s a 160 OPS+ bat, you have to consider a trade like that, but if he settles back into his career norms?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take any of the NL All-star first basemen over either of the NL All-star catchers.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’ll wipe out half the best talent in the farm for 1 guy?
Adrian Gonzalez by himself sure is helping the Padres win games. Check out that record of 35-50. The Padres pretty much screwed themselves selling the farm, and you’re suggesting we do the same thing.
I’ll take my chances with Buster and company for the future. Like jct said, All-Star catchers are hard to find. As for now, the Giants are playing good ball. We probably need an additional string arm in the ’pen and an average middle infielder to compliment this surprisingly okay winning team.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
I would love to see Gonzalez but not for that much, which is what it would take.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did the Padres sell the farm? They didn’t really have much of a farm to sell really.
And siting the Padres poor record as a reason not like Adrian is foolish as well, because without him, they might be the Nationals
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
you can’t blame him for their other terrible hitters.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they didn’t sell it really. But it is very barren. Off the top of my head, I can’t name a top position prospect in their farm system.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donavan Tate!!!
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did just have a good draft, but they had a good stretch of years where their drafting was awful and they didn’t do much outside of the US.
Kind of like the Giants before 2006!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/body slams two high school kids
//steals car
///drives off drunk
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DONT U KNOW WHO I AM
I’m MATT MOTHERFUCKING BUSH!
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The had a lot of hype that didn’t pan out. See : Kouzmanoff, Sean Burroughs.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol Sean Burroughs
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Barfield!
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t they send him to the Indians?
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and he kind of fizzled out spectacularly.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and receieved Kouzmanoff.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah I am not saying sell the farm. My scenario doesn’t include the top prospect in the farm system, nor Villalona, nor Rodriguez, nor the other low minors guys and it brings back a player that will be here a minimum of 2.5 years.
Gonzalez is the best fit for this team, it would take a blockbuster to get it done. I am not interested in doing it for another team. And to pawn off the Padres losses on him is ludicrous. It would make more sense to pawn off his recent struggles at the plate on them because he has ZERO protection.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal, Ishikawa, Crawford, Alderson for Gonzalez
That I could live with. Probably not enough for Towers, though. At that point, I still wouldn’t deal Posey.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd probably throw in Guzman
instead of Crawford.
Mostly cuz Crawford is needed in SF, and Guzman would attempt to soften the blow at their 1st base position.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 10, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Padres just trade Eaton for Young and Gonzo??
That should be regarded as a much worse deal than the Pierzynski deal, IMO.
by VizquelQuest on Jul 10, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka for Young, Gonzalez, and Termel Sledge
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was some Hamburglar stuff right there
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins traded him the first time to Texas
for Ugeth Urbina
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh Otsuka too - now it makes sense
thanks for clarifying!
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That trade was truly horrendous
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pads have some decent prospects now...
It’s just been awhile.
1) Mat Latos – Better than Alderson in my opinion
2) Blanks – Like I’ve said many times, I’d gladly trade Alderson for him
3) Forsythe – Gotta love his filthy walk rates. Supposedly a plus defender at 3B (might move to 2B). I hear he’s a poor man’s Youkilis
4) Jaff Decker – youngest player in low-A and he walks at a crazy rate and is a plus defender in RF
5) Tate – if they sign him
6) Weems – supposedly great with the glove and has a .471 OBP in high A. No pwoer at all though
7) Adys Portillo – 2 million dollar international signing, supposedly has great stuff
8) Jon Galvez – international signing at SS that has a .500+ OBP currently in rookie league at age 18
9) Will Inman – just a solid pitcher
10) A glut of guys in high-A with promise in their rotation (Pelzer, Kluber, Luebke, McBryde). Baron has called them the best staff in the CAL, as they all have nearly a K per inning and low walk rates
Up in the bigs
Headley – I still think there’s promise there once they get rid of Kouzmanoff and put him at 3B
Everth Cabrera – this kid is looking like the next Rafael Furcal. Pretty nice for a rule V pick
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have improved their farm quite a lot in the last few years, but it was awful for awhile.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston is a team that is *ugh*
Their MLB team is breaking up after this year, and their farm system is a complete wasteland, devoid of any talent whatsoever.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Houston has to be one of the worst run teams in the majors.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beyond terrible. Their owner is always willing to spend money, but insists it be done stupidly
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets, too
another team that almost has to go for it this year, and they won’t be any good for awhile.
The dodgers minor league is “bad” because all their kids are playing in the majors right now.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely, I’d say until about 05-06, it was continually terrible. BA still ranks it low, but honestly, I think it’s in the upper half.
I’ll probably take flak for this, but I honestly feel their top 15 guys collectively are just as good as our top 15 guys, but that’s also because I think we have a decent amount of overrated prospects (Noonan, Villalona to a degree, Sosa) although we also have some nice underrated onces (Neal, Barnes).
To me, the only edge we have right now farmwise is Posey, who can be an elite player at a premium position, which is something they don’t have
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are top heavy
Top 4 as good as any team out there, huge drop off after that.
If Tommy Joseph and Wheeler can come in and fix that (and if Ralph Rod is the real deal) then we can be pretty damn good in a hurry
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that pretty much sums it up. Although I still must say Angel Villalona is really overrated to this point. Yes, he’s very young for high A, but he’s performing beyond terribly.
This guy could just as easily miss altogether
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It certainly seems that way with Angel. When you watch him play, he seems a little hesitant or lost at the plate sometimes.
I don’t know if a lot of coaching or more playing time in San Jose will help, but FWIW the raw talent, bat speed & power is there. He has lot of learning to do. I say Kiesch & Neal have the edge on him in plate discipline which isn’t saying much.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe
Molina
Sandoval
Yup, they’re top heavy.
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by Juan Primo on Jul 10, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It still is awful.
Blanks (meh) Latos, and Darnell does not make for a good system.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
???
a) Blanks has always been young for his levels and never posted an OBP below .380. It’s also very likely for him to have a ton of power potential going forward
b) Latos is better than any pitcher we have in the minors with the possible exception of MadBum (who doesn’t have the breaking ball Latos has)
c) Darnell is solid, but I wouldn’t even put him in their top 10. Forsythe, Decker, and Galvez are all better offensive prospects IMO, not to mention Donovan Tate and Everett Williams when they sign.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they sign.
Latos is one of the better prospects in the game no doubt. Blanks is good but not great. He’s going to be stuck to first base, and likely will be a huge liability with the glove. He puts up decent OBP but he’s not a huge walk machine by any means and his power potential is limited because of his swing.
Decker’s scouting reports are not very encouraging for the future. He can get on base and hit, but he seems like more of an AL type player.
Darnell is one of the best prospects they have. Great amateur pedigree and performance and he has solid tools across the board.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a) Huge liability with the glove? I’ve never heard anything wrong with his glove (not to mention he seems athletic to play LF somewhat).
b) decent OBP? he’s never been below .380 ONCE in his pro career despite being young for his levels. He’s not Kevin Youkilis, but he is very good at drawing walks. better than ANYONE we have in our system.
c) What’s wrong with Decker’s reports? The guy is said to have very good range in RF (CF in high school) and he could’ve been drafted as a pitcher (suggesting he has a killer arm). The guy stole 9 bases last year in 1/3 of a season, so he can’t be THAT slow. When you are the youngest player in the league and you walk more than you strike out, you are doing something very good.
d) what is an AL type player? The AL is the better league talentwise, so does that mean he is a better player?
e) Darnell is a good prospect, but how is he any better than Forsythe who continues to play one level above him and is the exact same age.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darnell and Forsythe are both at AA….
Decker has no projection left in his body and every scouting report has him as having below average to terrible athleticism. Think a much slower Nick Swisher if you will. By AL type player I mean he may ultimately end up a DH if he can’t play a true position as he gets older and fills out.
Blanks glove itself is fine, but his range at BEST is average and that’s if he’s in tip top shape. He has to work extremely hard to remain in shape.
I just think it’s funny you think the Padres actually have a good system or something when everyone in the baseball world has them as having one of the worst, even with their recent improvements in drafting.
And it’s great that they keep finding players who can walk, but when almost all of them project to not hit at upper levels and lack power, then what is the use of having a bunch of Brian Giles at age 38 in terms of production?
Matt AntoneLOLi. Sean Burroughs, Khalil Greene, Josh Barfield, etc. Their system has been a wasteland for years and nobody they develop ever is able to hit big league pitching all that well. None of these other lower tiered projection prospects look like they will be all that great either.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a) Darnell is in high A dude, they play the same position.
b) The Padres system was in the top 10 by BA in 07, then in the bottom 5 the next year. That’s inconsistency on BA’s part, even though very little changed in their system.
c) laughing at Greene? He’s had a better career than any player we’ve developed between Matt Williams and Pablo
by NeifiChicken on Jul 11, 2009 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it’s not a salary dump if they guy you’re dumping is making relatively next to nothing.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s making what 8million? That’s super affordable. Peavy is the one they need to trade and they should have done so over the off-season. No, they don’t trade Adrian to dump salary. They trade Adrian to fleece another team of its best prospects.
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres are not going to dump Gonzalez. He is the face of their team going forward. He has marketing appeal across the border (a market the Padres have been trying to get for like 20 years) . If you have URL with a direct quote to contradict this then I’ll talk about it in a civil fashion with out scorn but tell then is it like talking about setting up a scouting school on the dark side of the moon.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Switch Neal with Posey and you’ve got a deal.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for the Padres
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by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No on Posey...
Would do a deal for Gonzo for Ishi, Alderson, AnVil, and Crawford though – Or to make things really interesting would do a Gonzo and Peavy deal for MadBum, Ishi, Anvil, Crawford, Sanchez, and Lewis.
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 10, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo and Peavy
That would make the Giants heavy favorites in a playoff series. The core would be locked up for years too.
Lincecum, Peavy, Cain with a lineup that has both Sandoval and Gonzo…wow!
by VizquelQuest on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT is some rosterbation that's getting me excited
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Peavy is even healthy enough to pitch this year
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I wouldn’t be gung-ho on trading for him, his short- and long-term health concerns me.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a bad ankle and has been rotting on my fantasy DL for a while. I wouldn’t consider him a big risk long term though, and he is expected back next month
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh...
I brought up this idea before.
Problem is…
It’s doubtful they’d go for that.
Alderson might have to be thrown in as well, and that’s basically throwing away your farm system.
I’m not necessarily against it, but if it doesn’t have the fairy tale ending we desire, we essentially have no back up plans from the farm system.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jul 10, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather deal Villalona than Posey. Quality catchers are hard to come by.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to be the consensus. And I love Posey – been to San Jose to see him and watch on Comcast Hometown Buffet. But, in this pipedream scenario I can’t imagine the Padres accepting a deal without him.
by JesseSeg on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure he doesn’t want to be a Yankee when he grows up?
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only position that screams for an upgrade is 2b. A league-average hitter (not offensive second-baseman) at second would really improve the line-up, move Uribe into a super-sub role all over the infield, and allow Edgar to sit more often. It would also make Aurilia even more expendable. Freddy Sanchez (who is obviously above-average), please!
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also voting 1 or 2. Grant you control our thinking so subtly.
Sergio Romo should be close to untouchable. Without him, we would see Howry or Medders in 7th and 8th innings of tight games. AAAaarrgghhh. Yeccchhh. And Merkin misplaced his consistency too.
Lefthanded hitting outfielders, there we have a surplus: Nate, Fred, John B…but it would take more to get Holliday. Bowker and a pitching prospect other than AlderBum? OK by me.
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by foothillsfan on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome
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by jhiat00 on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
#4 Go for it
If the Giants can retain the core of the organization – Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval and Posey – then I’m in favor of going all in for a difference maker that the organization would retain for more than just this season.
John Bowker could be the bat that we have been waiting for, brother. Adding a Doc Halladay to a rotation that already includes Lincecum and Cain could be a World Series contender. Adding an Adrian Gonzales to the middle of this lineup makes the team very dangerous.
Playoffs are fine but I want a serious World Series contender.
by wilriv21 on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel this way frequently too
like the giants should take a shot when they have a healthy playoff-contending team. but then i think about teams like the braves and how they were in the playoffs for like ten straight years and I wonder if the giants should be more patient.
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My pref lists
Option 1: Uggla and Nick Johnson
Option 2: Kelly Johnson and Klye Blanks
Option 3: Adam Kennedy and Scott Rolen
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d also LOVE Rios, but I don’t think he’ll be cheap to get. His contract is really quite reasonable for his production
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory, Rios shouldn’t be cheap to get at all because, yeah, even this year, his contract is still pretty reasonable for his production and if he goes back to his old levels, it’s a downright steal.
And yet, the rumors are that Ricciardi just wants to dump him.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Rios for Chris Lincecum
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey every once in a while a contending team gets a break. ’93 had the Braves getting Sheffield for a song. ’01 the Dbacks had the league cover part of their payroll. The point is the Giants have not had one of those kind of breaks for decades, we are due, and why the hell not us?
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we’re the Giants?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 10, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine! Be logical and sensible.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some reporter in Miami thinks the Marlins need a closer and Uggla is trade bait. I think I’m going to have a wet dream about an Uggla for Wilson deal but since the Marlins are one of the better run organizations I just can’t see it happening.
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by Li on Jul 10, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilson for Uggla? Here you go Florida! Remember, no backsies!
/not seeing this happen
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I am also sure the front office would not do this.
Maybe the Fish are trying to talk the Pirates into something.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do it in a heartbeat. Not sure if it would be enough for FLA, but I could see them having interest if we added a piece.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this kinda deal makes some sense
Altho frankly I’m a little scared to let go of Wilson, as much as he is maligned around here he has actually been pretty good this year.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sure florida is a little scared of him too after seeing that performance against them
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I have to wonder if all the folks so eager to get rid of Wilson have forgotten all those games when the ninth was being pitched by guys named Benitez, Hennessey, Walker, and Herges.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Romo and Affeldt are a LOT better than those douches were.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That said, I still wouldn’t be all that comfortable trading Wilson right now.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree. we still have a plan right now if one of our three was injured. if we traded wilson and affeldt or romo got injured. we would be screwed.
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by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d consider it strongly in the offseason but I think it would be a mistake in the middle of the season.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would you give up Romo for Uggla?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 10, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feelings exactly
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s fair to compare our situation right now with that of yesteryear. Our farm system is stacked so we have the arms to come up and try to replace any RP even Wilson.
by SeeingStars on Jul 10, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
If you give up your close midway through the season, isn’t that giving up on the season when you have no proven closer left? Sure, Romo or Affeldt might work, but what if they don’t?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson and Lewis
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by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sell Sanchez as a possible closer…. He’s got the stuff! I think Sanchez could become an elite relief pitcher
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 10, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's actually not a terrible idea...
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think
it would be better (but more ballsy) to trade wilson and put Sanchez in to close ourselves!
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the killer instinct in Sanchez. When things don’t go his way he just seems to lose it. Not what you want in a closer.
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the cut of your jibe.
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by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not even that ballsy with Affeldt and Romo as viable alternatives
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by Goofus on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, at this point, you make only a move for a guy who is a difference maker. Getting a player who’s a little above average (Johnson) or a player who is a lifetime .260 hitter with no range (Uggla) makes no sense.
Ad Gonz, no we’re talking, but the price might be prohibitive.
Not convinced that Holliday can hit outside of Coors either. Although, his road splits aren’t all that bad. Again, the price might be high given the 2 draft pick part of the scenario.
The Giants were aiming for 2010. Do you throw that away at this point and go for it? Or do you stay patient?
Tough Call I think.
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by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s not really an accurate description of Uggla… he’s a .260 hitter, but he gets on base at a decent clip for a .260 hitter and he has plus power for a second baseman.
PLUS he would be a difference maker with the way our second basemen have hit this year.
ALSO saying they shouldn’t improve the team this year “because we were always going for 2010” is not good thinking. There’s no guarantee that we’ll get the same pitching performances next year that we have this year. The Giants have a legit chance to make the playoffs – they need to do everything in their power to make it happen THIS YEAR.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Uggla’s lifetime numbers are: .258 .341 .483 And, he’s not noted for his range. True he’s got power, but is he really that much of an upgrade? I haven’t looked at where he hits his HRs, but does his power translate to this park? Maybe you move him to 3b and Pandoval to 1b.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t go for it this year, just asking the question. Maybe a better question is how much do you want to go for it this year?
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by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what we’ve gotten out of 2B, we could bring Jeff Kent out of retirement and he’d be an upgrade.
Uggla is a pretty good hitter, and while he’s no wiz with the glove, he’s not Ray Durham either.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants second basemen have hit .232/.289/.305 this year.
.232/.289/.305
Uribe is hitting well at the moment, but he’s also got a .341 BABIP compared to ~.280 for his career. I don’t think you can expect it to continue.
(OTOH, Uggla has been extremely unlucky on balls in play this year, despite improving most of his offensive peripheral statistics – walks up, strikeouts down.)
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you really just ask if Uggla would be an upgrade over our 2b? Seriously?
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I said he’s not a difference maker. I wonder if he’s going to improve the lineup all that much especially given that his range isn’t as good as Uribe/Burriss/Frandsen and we already have no range at SS.
My opinion is that you need to get someone to insert into the middle of the lineup that will make a difference. IMHO, Uggla isn’t that guy. Does he improve you? Sure, but at what price?
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy averages 30 homers/year from a position that doesn’t usually yield anything close to that kind of offensive production. The Giants won’t have a corner outfielder or infielder that does that this year, so for our team, yes he is a middle of the order hitter. And he is under team control for two more years after this. Serious upgrade
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he won’t hit anywhere near 30 HRs in that park with lousy range at 2b.
Now, if he’s willing to move to 3b? Maybe we can talk.
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AT&T does not suppress HR to LF very much at all.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not like dolphin stadium
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by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if you’re talking about a park that’s tough for HR…
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RH’ers don’t hit all their HRs to LF. The power alleys in AT&T are both deep. Ask Rowand how many HRs he lost last year to the gaps.
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just stop
Uggla would be a HUGE upgrade for our team. There is no debate there. The only debate is whether it’s worth what it takes to get him. I mean, what the actual fuck- you’re talking about Uggla over Uribe and Burris and Frandsen. And you’re not sure that’s an “impactful” change?
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Uggla is that good a middle of the order hitter. .258 lifetime? I didn’t have the HR chart before so it looks like his power would play OK in AT&T.
I also agree that the key consideration is what he would cost. If we could get him for Freddie Lewis it’s a no-brainer. For Mad-Bum??? Not sure that’s a move you want to make.
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t be so hung up on batting average. And bringing up MadBum is a strawman argument, because no one said they would do that.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um wtf
what I just said was “the only debate is whether it’s worth what it takes to get him”. Obviously madbum would not be worth it. But it would probably take less than that.
And BA is an idiotic stat to base a player’s offensive output on. He’s got an .823 OPS and a 114 OPS+ in his career. He averages 30 HR/ year. Those are what we need, not a BA that’s like 20 points higher. Over a full season 20 points in BA is a few dribblers a month.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A large majority of his HR go to LF.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a huge yard. Knew it was big, but I guess I never paid attention to the numbers on the wall.
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that what they call it..
Really, land shark stadium???
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s a beer, or an ale, or a brewing company or something
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
still lame
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owned by Jimmy Buffet.
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its actually owned by Anheuser Busch, who is playing off the popularity of Jimmy Buffet’s restaurant chain Margaritaville.
*I’m gonna go have a beer. I’ll return with more useless facts about it later
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I was confused on that. Still, it is an entirely blah beer.
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ya. I have no problem walking right by it in the beer aisle and buying something that actually tastes good
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his 3 run bomb against us was no cheapie either
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 10, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you looked at how many homers the Giants have from second basemen this year? And don’t pretend that Juan Uribe is the king of range over there. Serious upgrade
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
could he be like the Jack of Range??
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 of Range
AT BEST.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
uribe has LOT more range than Uggla. He had above average range at SS, I’m certain it’s better than Uggla by a long shot.
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe has slightly above average range at 2B, below average range at SS.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you are saying is he would miss a few more ground balls but hit an extra 15 homers and drive in an extra 40 runs over the second half of the season? And we still have Uribe to rest renteria and panda every week. Yes please!
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not what Uggla would cost and no one has said they would be willing to do that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, so what would you give up for him?
While an upgrade to be sure (have I made that clear yet?) I don’t think he’s all that great in the Middle of the order. Just doesn’t hit for high enough average.
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting average is not that important if a guy can make up for it by getting on base and hitting for power (which Uggla does.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not addressed at me, but
Package 1: Barnes, Frandsen, Lewis (although I bet Sanchez could get it done over Barnes for sure)
Package 2: Wilson and Frandsen
Package 3: Sanchez, Frandsen, Lewis, Sosa (if they add Hermida)
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would do 3
not sure about 2, and maybe 1. But definitely 3
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 for sure. No on 2. Yes on three, but I would rather have a mid level prospect than Hermida. We got plenty of guys like him
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and no,
Hermida is a lot more talented than Nate or Bowker.
Still some nice upside there
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the marlin's gm on line 2
he’s cackling at you.
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting average is a retarded stat
it should be in a home somewhere
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did you wait 20 posts into this discussion to throw the Giants TOP prospect’s name in. This all started with you saying “Really? Uggla’s lifetime numbers are: .258 .341 .483 And, he’s not noted for his range. True he’s got power, but is he really that much of an upgrade?”
Yes, he is a ridiculously HUGE upgrade.
No we will not give up Madbum, but we wouldn’t have to because Florida doesn’t want to pay Uggla $6+ million/year the next two years
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually first point is "a player who is a lifetime .260 hitter with no range (Uggla) " is not a difference maker.
My “really” was in reference to his supposed high OB. .341 OB is high now?
Is he better than what we have? Yes. Guess I don’t agree that he’s a difference maker because of his lousy range and low BA.
Again, if you move him to 3b and replace Ishi in the lineup that might be a different story, but I still don’t think he’s going to be the driving force of the lineup. Heck Bengie drives in as many runs as Uggla even without 30 HRs.
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not high, but it’s a pretty good ISO for a player with a low BA. And his walk-rate has jumped considerably the past two years.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and lowerred his K’s big time thus far. To me, he’s a very good bet to finish strong this season
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And replacing Ishi in the lineup as opposed to replacing “generic second baseman” would not help matters nearly as much!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND no one wants him to be a driving force in the lineup – but he is a HUGE upgrade over what we have had at second base this season AND would probably be the third best hitter on the team right away.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really ought to just learn to read the whole comment before posting comments of my own, huh.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it works for bradleybear.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs moar not using the +reply button
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, I don’t really follow putting him at third. What infield provides better offense and still leaves a gold glove quality 1st basemen out there?
Panda, Renteria, Uribe, and Uggla
OR
Panda, Reteria, Ishi, and Uggla
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t have that lousy range up the middle, it’s WAY more important than at 1b. Uggla is not a good fielder in terms of range. Pairing him with Renteria would have the pitchers pulling their hair out. If we still had Omar, that might be different.
IMHO, he’s got the range and power of a 3b.
Look, it’s OK, you guys think he’s the answer to our offensive woes, while an improvement, I don’t think he’s the guy to put us over the top.
My whole point is that I would prefer a trade that gets a guy who’s going to make a BIG difference in runs scored/runs given up.
Personal opinion, Uggla isn’t that guy.
Certainly not a #4 quality guy.
If you guys think different cool. We just don’t agree I guess.
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't notice a huge difference between Uribe and Uggla on D
and even if we did, Uggla’s offense would more than make up for it.
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, that's probably where we differ the most
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla’s offense is tremendously better than Uribe who is now a lower power guy whose contribution is BA-dependent. On top of that, his BABIP this year has been 60 points above his career average, meaning he’ll likely regress (ie, be less productive) over the second half, making the offensive upgrade even more impressive, especially if Uggla’s BABIP normalizes as well.
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is that guy that makes the BIG difference then? The three simplest positions for the Giants offense to improve are a corner outfield spot and 2B, and maybe 1B although Ishi hasn’t been awful lately.
Not a lot out there that would beat a guy that is less than 30 years old, under team control for 2+ years, and will give you 30 bombs every year out of a position usually reserved for scrappy little guys that don’t hit
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I said that I think AD Gonz is the guy I would go after. Talk about large improvements over what we have!
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzalez would cost a ton more than Uggla would
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would take out the whole farm system and we would still have a crappy second basemen and corner outfielder
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAYBE ISHI COULD PLAY SECOND.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panda probably has as much range as Uggla. Move him there!
by joethejet on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, actually
Gonzales has been worth about 2 wins more than Ishikawa so far this year (even w/ Ishikawa’s less playing time by about 150 PA’s)
Uggla has been worth about 1 WAR this season, and the giants 2b WAR is healthily in the negative.
So really, Ishikawa to Gonzo is about the same as SF2bSUCKFEST to Uggla.
Except Uggla is cheaper.
A LOT cheaper.
You’re pretty much wrong.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burriss alone was worth -.9 WAR
Pretty ugly out there.
Add into this that both Gonzales and Uggla are likely to regress in the second half – but in entirely different directions.
I’d much rather acquire uggla.
by FairweatherFan on Jul 10, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT UGGLA HAS BAD RANGE AND A LOW BA!!!!
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand why anyone thinks Gonzales is getting traded. His contract is inexpensive and the Padres have said they aren’t trading him.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If GRM thinks it then it must be true!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Had " is the key word.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching Uribe play second has made me rethink Uggla and his “lack of range”. Uribe has held his own at second base and you would have to think Uggla would be an upgrade both with the bat and with the glove.
by OTTOMATIC on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe’s best defensive skill is his arm strength, which is almost a detriment at 2B
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe has been slightly above average with the glove this year, but I still really think the team would be much better off with him as the utility infielder and a different everyday 2B.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
As evidance look at the Chi sox 3rd base issues over the last couple years Crede was there. Uribe does very well in limited use. Day in, day out, rain or shine and things get skechy.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t Uggla a horrible, horrible fielder, and not just because of the errors?
/checks UZR
Apparently in odd years?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 10, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little above average (Johnson)
Make up your mind. Is it a little or above average Johnson?
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by Goofus on Jul 10, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s no Big Unit.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 10, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting…
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ABOUT TWITTER TRADES!!!!!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to have to disagree
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by Goofus on Jul 10, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me more
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jul 10, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs


El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Jul 10, 2009 11:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Black Widescreen TV Stand Pat Benatar in an Afghan scarf?
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shelf benatar?
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by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently somebody thinks we could get Halladay and hang on to two of our top prospects. MLBTR
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alderson and Villalona+ for Halladay? :D? :D?
:(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, not a heartbeat, but at first glance, I like it
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d definitely do it in a heartbeat – they’re both good prospects but they’re also both significantly flawed prospects with pretty high chances of failure. Unless the Blue Jays hand is really forced, I don’t think they’d take it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who wouldn’t is crazy.
Let me rephrase that: anyone involved with the GIANTS who wouldn’t is crazy. The Blue Jays would be like “nah.”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could try for a Dan Haren deal. 6 for 1!
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lot of good prospects given up in that deal though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. how are the Giants going to afford Dan Haren and Halladay and A Gonzalez?
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be willing to include Jackson Williams, Charlie Culberson, AND Wendell Fairley in such a deal.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way we trade Jackson Williams.
Who will we get to replace Steve Holm when he retires?
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler LaTorre raises his hand.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alderson, AnVil +
Hells Yes…
We could then move him to another team in the off season for a sweet package
I would even through in Neal and Crawford for Rios
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
easily Neal and Crawford for Rios, and I love Neal. Might as well throw Sanchez in there as well
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I consider Neal off limits, same as MadBum and Posey, but for Rios and Halladay, I would give anything that doesn’t include the Bum or Buster
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you said Holliday..
Holliday no.. Halladay yes.
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by Azmanz on Jul 10, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those who haven't heard
Guess who’s going to the All Star Game! Hint: It’s not Pablo.
http://twitter.com/ToddZolecki/status/2571371509
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just going to post this.
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, urge to kill rising
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer will fill you with rage.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ DODGERS 2/3 of the OF ARE PLAYERS THE DODGERS LET GO
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werth is a great player
but this is clear homerism. Matt Kemp should’ve gone
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why him?
Why not Feliz, Rollins or Ruiz?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waiting for David Wright, Hanley Ramirez and Yadier Molina to drop out.
by SFGuy on Jul 10, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me want to watch the All Star Game even more!
No, not really.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But i would consider Tim and Cain having " sore arms" and missing it.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reserve foul language for only special occasions like this
What the goddamn fuck.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Some of the comments on mlb.com are just astounding…
ok giants who has more homeruns, and rbi’s, and plays better defense? yea thats what i thought
ok pablo got better slugging and OPS but who has more homeruns, more RBI’s, plays way better defense, and actually means more to the team? JAYSON WERTH!! so shutup and stop complaining cause nobody cares about pablo
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol phillies fans
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
if you listened to them, then every single player on their team is the best at their position in the majors leagues.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like this gem?
Alright, Congratulations Jayson! Well deserving. Now that there are 5 Phillies on this team maybe the NL can finally win an All-Star game!!! GO PHILS! …..now let the complaining begin…
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is I still want the NL to win so I have to root for these guys. Puke.
"I can't hit the ball until I hit the bottle!"
by Li on Jul 10, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s long been said, when you think of winners you instantly think “Phillies.”
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st to 10,000 what?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s long been said, when you think ofwinnerswhiners you instantly think "Phillies."
fixed
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop raising my blood pressure to unhealthy limits!
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got a better one from PSD forums
Again, you can’t make this shit up.
HR and RBI’s win ballgames not hits, OPS, total bases, Slugging %, and doubles.
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10092791&posted=1#post10092791
Holy. Jesus. Mother of God.
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Runs don’t win ballgames — wins win ballgames.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um….No your wrong, Werth deserves it more then Kemp and don’t give me that ballpark **** if you can hit homers then you can hit homers in any park. And the way the balls fly out to right field in SF please.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they’re in for a pleasant surprise at the end of the month.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, it’s ridiculous. They should only count splash hits as home runs.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s YOU’RE wrong
YOU ARE WRONG
and you ARE wrong… just wait
stoopid philly fucktards
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were probably only paying attention when BLB was hitting them
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well to be fair, that’s all Sportscenter ever shows…
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY EVERYONE! LET'S COUNT ALL THE SPLASH HITS BY A PHILLY:
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PHILLOLIES
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot that walker was on the cards
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards lineup was stacked in ’04 after they got him.
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Felipe Crespo...
…hit 2 splash hits and was a Phillie…just not at the same time.
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by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was walking along the arcade for that Hundley HR off Nen. Man that was a rocket….
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ABOUT HIS IS WRONG?!?!?!!?! FUCKING IDIOT
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by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Ryan Howard was awesome in the 2007 Home Run Derby. Oh wait, he hit 3 in the 1st round and watched the rest.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jul 10, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check these Phils' HRs at Mays Field
I checked the current Phillies roster and selected the five most notable left-hand hitters, or switch-hitters to see how they’ve done hitting dingerz at Mays Field. Knowing (as we all do) how formidable a task it is to hit one out to right, I expected the numbers to be underwhelming. But what I found surpassed my expectations.
Ryan Howard… 5 home runs, ALL to LF and CF.
Chase Utley… 0 home runs.
Jimmy Rollins… 3 home runs, ALL to LF. Two were hit left-handed, (Aaron Fultz—2002 and Pat Misch—2008), one was hit right-handed (Jim Brower—2003).
Matt Stairs… 0 home runs.
and, of course…… Shane Victorino… 1 home run.
It turns out that of all of these notable LH-hitting Phillies, Victorino is the only one to have hit a home run to RF. I’m sure that’s why it made such an impression on this guy. “WOW!”, must have been the thought that took shape in the guy’s mind. “If Victorino can hit a home run to right here, EVRYONE must be able to do it ALL THE TIME!! LOL!!”
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jul 10, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
YOU’RE WROOOOOOOOOONG
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Jul 10, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU’RE WRONG
YOU’RE WROOOOOOOOONNNNGGGGGG
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brainsplode.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to be so fucking happy for every Phillies Phailure in the All-Star Game.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Philadelphia is a shithole and their fans are the worst.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jul 10, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I played MLB 06 the Show and I had a game in Philadelphia, every time the Phillies made an out, it was “Booooooooo!!!!”
by SFGuy on Jul 10, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re really the most miserable people in the country. You would be too, if you had to live in that dump of a city. Ugh, I couldn’t wait to leave
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
revenge is best served
by winning the world series
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOMERUNS IN OUR HITTER FRIENDLY PARK BY WERTH IS AWESOME AND UH UH PABLO CAN’T HIT HOMERUNS IN HIS PARK. HAHAHAHA.
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL A GUY WHO HITS MOSTLY LEFT HANDED IN AT&T PARK DOESN’T HAVE AS MANY HOME RUNS AS A GUY WHO HITS MOSTLY RIGHT HANDED IN CBP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALSO MAN THAT TOP OF THE GIANTS LINEUP IS AS GOOD AS THE TOP OF THE PHILLIES LINEUP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odds favor a Phillie getting hurt 5-2
Massive, crushing, season ending injury. (At least Manuel didn’t pick Jimmie Rollins. )
by Giantsfan4life on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just wait
He will to replace Hanley Ramirez
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 10, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIBBIES
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SEE, AMERICA? THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ARE STUPID! MANAGERS FOLLOW SUIT AND ACT STUPID TOO! WE ARE ALL SWIMMING IN OUR FILTH OF STUPIDITY!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jul 10, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I’ve given it some thought, and I decided that Charlie Manuel is a stupid fuckface.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your ideas intrigue me and I want to subscribe to your newsletter.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may be... but this wasn't his choice.
There is some sort of MLB rule that when filling in for an injured ASG starter, you have to go off the highest vote-getter sub. Alas, that wasn’t Pablo.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 10, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the next highest vote-getter was Hawpe (I think) and already on the team.
So, stupid fuckfacery wins another round.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, stupid F-facery usually does win. Then eventually scores a TKO.
Sigh.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 10, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So fucked up. Who’s the better hitter? Who’s not the third OFer from his team going to the ASG? Who plays for the second-best team in the league? Oh, that’s right. The guy that’s not going.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is what happens when you take 137 1st basemen.
by Merope on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we fire Charlie Manuel?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just pound foul balls into the Phils dugout next time the Giant’s play them.
by daniel9 on Jul 10, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from today's sfgate.com

Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 10, 2009 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last time I checked...
Giants’ record > Phillies’ record, all I care about really.
Although the AS game would be nice, I think Pablo is now gunning for the MVP and the legit candidates in the NL are Pujols and maybe Fielder. You might think it’s crazy but Pedroia won it last year with very mediocre numbers on a team with better hitters around him (Manny, Ortiz then Bay).
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jul 10, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coast bias keeps that from ever happening. Pujols has it locked up unless he gets hurt
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not so much coast bias as sanity bias.
by Evan on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Pujols is pretty okay.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, which coast does Pujols play on again?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The coast of the Mississippi river?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Missouri River, too!
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols has it locked up because he’s the best player in baseball by far, not because of any coastal biases.
Fuck, he almost LOST the NL MVP last year because of East Coast Bias… he’s not winning anything because of it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What East Coast bias??
Which division has dominated the NL Cy Young Award the past 10 years?? The NL West.
by SFGuy on Jul 10, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols got 18 first place votes. Ryan Howard was in second place with 12. RYAN HOWARD
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
STRONG SEPTERBMER
Watch out San... oh, wait, Sadowski... uhh... [fifth starter], uncle Pucetas is comin' for you.
by Sammy Danger on Jul 10, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DINGERZ bias
apparently the adoptive parent of the 2nd best hitter on the team.
/shrug
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jul 10, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAGGGHHHHH!!! Can we please outgrow the "geographic bias" meme, please?
It is complete nonsense. The voters actually DO look at numbers and DO follow games that end after they go beddy-bye. The last TEN National League Cy Young awards have gone to the west half of the nation; 8 of them to the NL West.
Also, it is worth repeating that the midwest is not a coast.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 10, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah there's no fucking way that happens
unless he hits like 25 HRs in the second half.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
STEROIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tiger Balm & Flaxseed!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or if Pujols decides he’d rather spend the next three months fishing instead of playing baseball.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
by EliminateMe on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fishing for an extended period of time would be rather pleasant though, wouldn’t it?
by Classy_Argonaut on Jul 10, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols could take the 2nd half of the year off and still be a better candidate than Pablo, no offense to the almighty Panda, but Pujols is 5x the player Pablo is
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
I love Pablo to death but, yeah.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols >>>>> Pablo
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know...
Pujols is God and if Pablo ever approaches his annual stats….JIMP.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jul 10, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blah, blah more junk mail to come?
Thank you for participating in the 2009 All-Star Game® Final Vote. We would like to reward you for being such a loyal fan of Major League Baseball® by offering you a free trial of MLB.TV® Premium, valid from July 11-21, 2009. ………..
by daniel9 on Jul 10, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I unchecked the junk mail box every time I voted and still got that. I think its just our “reward” for wasting hours of our lives voting
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's your punishment for not using a fake email so that you didn't have to uncheck that box, which would have saved tons of time and allowed enough votes for Pablo to win.
Just saying.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jul 10, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
although if you enter in this e-mail Corey Hart, McGeehee, Hardy, Cameron, and Hall automatically appear on your ballot
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its only like 2 games b/c of the all star break, but I am going to use it
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for people without TVs at work. There are five Giants games in that span that start before 4 pm our time. Can catch the game from the web instead
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are in the sf region?
b/c I think it is blacked out
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jul 10, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Pitt and somewhere else. Thats why they have the earlier start times
by m34josh on Jul 10, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Shane,
Great job in the All-Star Game. Enjoy watching the playoffs on TV. Now if you’ll excuse me I need to get ready for Game 1 of the NLDS.
Sincerely,
Pablo
"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."
by Kitspool on Jul 10, 2009 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, this’d work better if the Phillies weren’t leading the NL East right now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PHUCK THE PHILLIES
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the East is turrible this year
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played sir.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you implying Suctorino will have a good ASG?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, can anybody confirm this?
Supposedly the player with highest amount of player votes at the position of injury has to replace that player..
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090710&content_id=5802614&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
by gianator on Jul 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d never heard that before.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is HIGHLY suspect

Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LIES
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jul 10, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn’t be Werth.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Jul 10, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true, though it is often used as a guideline.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Manuel can pick whoever he wants. So he picked one of his own guys. Most managers would.
by Giantsfan4life on Jul 10, 2009 1:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HOORAY FOR KEEPING THE KIDS TOGETHER.

Derin McMains had five fingers, but he only used three.
by oooreebay on Jul 10, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What was this post about again?
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 10, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
YOUR MOM!
…just kiddin
i think it’s about grant’s mom
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 10, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt we make any trades
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Church swapped for Jeff Francouer
MEH
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol @ a trade with virtually no impact
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
….why?
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jul 10, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It leaves the Braves with an overwhelmingly left handed lineup
And it leaves the Mets with Jeff Francouer
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I’ll trade you my mystery meat sanwich for yours?”
" Sure. No gives backs though."
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, this is great
Now Sabean can’t trade for Francouer. On account of the ‘only one trade per guy per season’ rule.
by Giantsfan4life on Jul 10, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Church was also swapped for Lastings Milledge. Talk about your disappointing prospects being switched around.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Jul 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rob Neyer's latest rant
Managers have long abused their right to select All-Stars, and many greater offenses have been committed than this one. But based on performance, Matt Kemp would have been a significantly better choice. Based on fan voting, Pablo Sandoval would have been a significantly better choice. Based on appearances, almost anyone would have been a better choice. t’s not that Werth isn’t a good player (he is) having a great season (ditto). This just looks bad.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sweetspot/0-4-43/Jayson-Werth—you-complete-me.html
by jctGamer on Jul 10, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Based on appearances, almost anyone would have been a better choice
I interpret that to mean Jayson Werth is ugly
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on Jul 10, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN is reporting
Jeff Francouer got traded to the Mets for Ryan Church.
by SFGuy on Jul 10, 2009 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In other retarded related news, the Royals traded for Yuniesky Betancourt.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is today national dumbass day?
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per KLaw: “He hacks at everything he sees and even swings at pitches thrown to other hitters”.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why didnt we pick him up?
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jul 10, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean’s laptop and cell phone died.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I though I heard cheering from one of the resident M’s fans near me. Looks I got some surfing to go do.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jul 10, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Church
is a great example of why you should not put too much stake in 200 ML PAs…. man I thought he was gonna be star after 2006! I guess he was already 28 though, so LOL@me.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s still better than Francoeur.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so is Rich Aurillia
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jul 10, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.278 wOBA!
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jul 10, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suggestion
You could either change the name for the 3rd rule or subtitle it, “the Matt Morris Corollary”
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"I'm really proud to be on this team." - Nate Schierholtz
"Woo hoo" - Tim "The Kid" Lincecum
"Let's go get them in 2009!" - The Kid
"He got his pitch; he did not miss it" - Cainer
"Kung Fu Panda don't get hurt" - Cainer
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jul 10, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jon Heyman is on MLB Network saying the Giants are in the race for Halladay. Mentioned possible pieces in Alderson, Bumgarner, Villalona, Crawford. Says there’s just not enough need for the Giants to make a push for Halladay.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see it happening but it’s worth it to at least be in the running. You never know if they end up trading him for a package like the Mets got Santana for.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
The Giants dont need pitchers, plus he is 32 this year. I would love to have him if we could get him without using the Mad Bum or Posey
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 10, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Brewers (if they’re serious) probably have the most pieces – Gamel, Escobar – to make a run at him.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heres an article saying he will probably say in Toronto
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t they basically throw away LaPorta for Sabathia though? I don’t know if they’d sacrifice their top two prospects a year after that.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re completely right. It’s just that if Ricciardi wants a good package, he’s not going to get it from the Yankees. Who do they really have besides Hughes and that catcher whose name I can’t remember?
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin Jackson, Jesus Montero, Andrew Brackman, Dellin Betances, Zack McAlister…etc. The Yankees have more then just a shitty prospect like Phil Hughes.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you Montero
but Jackson? Brackman?
by superk1ng on Jul 10, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and just to expand on that
Jacksons putting up a .358 wOBA in AAA with a .425 BABIP and really high K rate. I don’t see what’s so great about that. Does he get extra points for being a yankee prospect?
Brackman is just a mess and he’s way too old to be in SAL
by superk1ng on Jul 10, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He missed almost 2 years of baseball and was considered raw to begin with, but he has a lot of talent.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so did Ruben Rivera.
Talent is fantastic, but it’s got to be balanced with performance. Also, Jackson is more of an athlete than an elite talent. I’d want him if I was doing a pickup game of basketball, but if I wanted someone to hit a baseball well, there’s hundreds of better options in the minors
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about Brackman, but ok….
Jackson is a raw prospect yes, but he profiles to play a very good CF defense, and should be a decent hitter in time. Sure he may strike out a lot but his BB rate is halfway decent, he has speed on the basepaths and he should have decent pop too. He has solid tools across the board and for the most part has been young for his level on the way up and performed well. You’re completely underselling him.
But judging by your horrendous judge in minor league talent that shouldn’t come as a big surprise.
by Hobbes2d on Jul 10, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please, you’re a tool who basically just reguritates BA, blinded by the fact that many of these players don’t have the performance to match their tools.
by NeifiChicken on Jul 11, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Jackson is decent, but it’s hard to see what type of player he is. Not a good enough base stealer to get hsio value there. Not good enough power to gain real value there. Not enough BA to gain valeu there
2) Brackman – he is nearly 24 in low A and has 56 walks in 73 IP. I rest my case
3) Betances – great fastball, mediocre performance
Phil Hughes was a better prospect than any of these guys. Just face it, the Yanks system is pretty weak
by NeifiChicken on Jul 10, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rotation is mighty thin beyond Cain and Lincecum, as the RJ injury has shown. He is 32 but he hasn’t really shown much sign of decline, so I’m not sure what the problem is.
That said, I don’t want to give up MadBum or Posey for him, so if it takes that, I’ll gladly decline.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m full of tempura and I had a near-death experience on highway 80 today, but am I crazy for thinking the Giants wouldn’t do badly to sign Glavine for the rest of the season?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not mind Glavine or Byrd at this point.
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by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the RJ injury picture became clearer I started to like the idea more and more.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either would be cheap, replace RJ short-term and push SanchDowski out of the rotation if/when RJ comes back. And either would make a capable 5th starter.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a club is willing to take a chance on Pedro, then signing Glavine isn’t outrageous. Let’s send a letter to the front office.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine out of the pen or as a starter?
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insurance for Sanchez?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was Justin Miller’s job?
/sarchasm
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Mr Sabean and lap-top:
As fans of the Giants and their many teams you’ve helped construct, we would like to discuss something with you. In fact, it’s a personal favorite subject of yours. Old guys. You love them. We think we need (one) more of them. How about Tom Glavine? He’s old and he’s left-handed and he pitched in all of those play-off games for the Braves. Or Paul Byrd? He’s old and he throws like an old-time, which I’m sure you appreciate. Our point is that the starting rotation is pretty thin now that another old guy – one Mr. Johnson, aka Big Unit – is hurt. Perhaps it’s time to take out some old-guy insurance and sign another starter.
Sincerely,
cornball, BVCE
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jul 10, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/initials letter
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted Pedro Martinez. But Phillies crushed another hope I had.
Either way Glavine or Martinez = ZOMG CY YOUNG WINNAHS
by SoFa King Mike on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Philadelphia again
This is why we can’t have nice things.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jul 10, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine kind of sucks at this point.
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by jponry on Jul 10, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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