Draft Day Is Here!
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 9, 2009 1:21 PM PDT
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PrintIronically, the guy I’m hoping the Giants take in the draft today, Tyler Matzek, didn’t get his own draft preview. And when I reference “irony”, I’m really referring to “crippling food poisoning that made me crawl to a lavatory, clutching my stomach, right as I was writing nice things about Tyler Matzek.” Is that a sign? It’s not not a sign, I guess.
I’m a sucker for pitchers who already have some idea of how to throw a strike. There’s a reason why Colt Griffin is out of professional baseball while Kevin Slowey is pitching well for Minnesota. It’s obviously better to have some semblance of “stuff” to go with the control, but if I have to choose between mediocre stuff/great control and great stuff/awful control, I choose the former. Most of the amateur talents have great stuff/mediocre control coming out of high school or college, so when someone mixes very good stuff with very good control for their level, I’m intrigued. It’s why I was so optimistic about Tim Alderson after last year’s draft, though Madison Bumgarner’s control might be even better.
Matzek is said to have this combination already, and he’s received the Good Housekeeping Seal of Polished Pitchertude. So he has that going for him, which is nice. He runs his fastball anywhere from 88-94, and Jason Churchill says Matzek has the best slider and changeup among high school pitchers (link is subscriber only), which goes with the best control, so I’m think that Mat…
The hard-throwing lefty hit 99 mph on the gun during the Southern Section playoffs while leading Capistrano Valley to the Division 1 championship.
I mean, words fail. Even if Matzek were projected to somehow eventually maybe possibly grow into a frame that could potentially get to 99 mph, he’d be my guy. That he’s done it already, even if accounting for a hot gun brings it down to 96 or 97 mph? Sold. I’m on the Matzek bandwagon. All aboard.
My hope order for today, assuming that Stephen Strasburg and Dustin Ackley are gone:
- Tyler Matzek
- Aaron Crow
- Grant Green
- Zach Wheeler
- Jacob Turner
- Shelby Miller
- Mike Leake
- Donavan Tate
Anyone not on that list, and I’ll be a little bummed. I’ll probably talk myself into liking just about anyone – “Hey, he’s an overdrafted offensive guy, but so was Matt LaPorta!” – but those are the folks I’m focused on.
Pre-draft comment starter: Who do you want? Even if you’ve said it 100 different times in 100 different threads, let’s read it again.
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by j14 on Jun 9, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW: I’ve decided I want Ackley. I didn’t like him at first but as time has gone on I have come to the conclusion that he is better than the alternatives.
And I’d be happy with Matzek.
I do not want Green.
I wouldn’t mind Tate.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions
Agree, no on Green. Ackley would be amazing, but is a super longshot.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jun 9, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure Grant will delete Goofus's post, but this news NEEDS TO BE HEARD
DAMN YOU ACKLEY
The latest reports have him smuggling several tons of cocaine, cut with PCP, and marijuana laced with hemlock, into the country to raise funds for al Qaeda. ARE YOU LISTENING MARINERS, PADRES, PIRATES, AND ORIOLES BRASS??
The latest has Ackley implicated in a diabolical plot to murder several adorable children and puppy dogs. He’s still eligible to be drafted, but if teams want him to play they’ll have to abandon their minor league parks and have their farm teams play exclusively in prison yards. Sounds like a real stretch for a top 5 pick.
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murder several adorable children and puppy dogs.
NOT PUPPIES!
Dustin Ackley HATES PUPPIES!
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Ah!
But the Padres knew Matt Bush had “problems” before they picked him and they still couldn’t prevent the Ryan Leaf legacy virus from taking hold.
You have the right idea, but you need to say Ackley is now represented by Lex Luthor and Auric Goldfinger.
It's always Noonan somewhere.
Matzek
The kid apparently wants Buster-size bonus $$$. I hope the Giants grab him and bring his demands down a bit. If he won’t come down, let him be a poor college student for a couple years and pray that the Giants can get a hitter @ number six next year
The cow picture is perfect.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
and Matzek
if Ackley is gone, which he will be.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Nice pic. Is THAT what all the craigslist ads that say a couple wants a bull???
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
ACKLEY=COCAINE
ACKELY IAS COACINAE ACKLEY COCAINE COCAINE DRUGS SEX ACKLEY
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Tony Sanchez.
Oh, wait.
If Wheeler were available in the second round, he sounds good, but him at #6 is indeed crazy talk.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Yep.
Or the Stanford closer than Wil wants.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
This
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When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Oh, and Trout.
Mayo backed off that prediction pretty quick, though.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Giates = sounds like some sort of gemstone
by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it sounded like New Agey stretching exercise.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
Matzek, Crow, Tate. I’ll be thrilled with of ’em.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I literally have no opinion here
whoever we pick, I’ll be asking all of you how I should be feeling. Matzek sounds pretty freaking awesome, but I also liked the look of Crow. Other than those two, I plead ignorance.
Continue making reasonably smart draft selections, GINTS BRAZ
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Best fucking day of the year
I like Grant’s list actually. But I’ll go with:
- Matzek Turner
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- Green Tate
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— Random good pitcher, high school or college.
I’m so hoping we snag someone good at 55, like Nick Franklin (h.s. shortstop) or a signability guy who falls.
P.S. I plan to swear a lot. Please don’t let it bother you.
Links to past three Draft threads:
Well, 2006 didn’t appear to have a thread but I found this:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2006/6/6/174748/3895
2007: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2007/6/7/13640/50235
2008: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/6/5/546402/open-draft-day-thread-i
Not sure why I did this. Seemed a good idea at the time and once I had started I couldn’t stop.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
2006 thread: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2006/6/6/13330/72548
I dunno why it didn’t come up in search initially.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember it having one, I’m guessing SBN was just being wonky when I first searched. Shrug…kinda funny to see the reactions to Timmy.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
One of the high school arms, preferably Matzek, but I trust the BRAZZZ judgment here. After that: Crow, Tate, Green. Just say no to Tim Wheeler.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I plan on leaving before the draft starts to go drink. And eat dinner.
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Jim Callis sez
And I just got my makeup done here at MLB Network, so I look pretty.
As mentioned in this morning’s complete first-round projection, many of the projected first-round high schoolers threw out bigger asking prices than expected. As a result, two of the most signable prep prospects will be the second and third taken.
These six picks look fairly certain:
1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
The Braves are up next, and likely will choose between Vanderbilt lefthander Mike Minor and North Carolina righthander Alex White. We laid out that scenario in this morning’s projection, and we’ll stick with that for now. I’ll keep updating as long as I can before I go into rehearsal.
I’d be okay with Wheeler though I’d rather have Matzek.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Fun with lists
This is a good way of looking at it, Grant; who besides Strasburg and Ackley? My list:
1. Tyler Matzek
2. Shelby Miller
3. Zach Wheeler
4. Aaron Crow
5. Mike Leake
6. Tanner Scheppers
7. Jacob Turner
8. Alex White
9. A pony
10. world peace
55. Chris Dominguez
And yes, I put a pony above world peace. It’s just so much more practical.
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Crow>Matzek. Crow HAS to sign this year, so if he falls to #6 I’d much rather have him. We could probably screw him over on the contract, and he’s much more of a sure thing than most of those other guys. It’s far harder to project a HS pitcher than Crow, and one of them MIGHT be as good as Crow in the future but Crow’s already pretty good. It would be a great pick at #6 if we could land him.
I just think Matzek has a higher ceiling than Crow. Both should be very good, and of course it’s anybody’s guess at this point. I could see the Giants preferring Crow’s shorter timetable to the bigs, considering RJ may be gone after this year, and Sanchez is looking iffy.
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Tate or Matzek please
UNLESS ACKLEY FALLS BECAUSE HE IS A DRUGGIE
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I’ll take a helping of Matzek, please.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 9, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions
I hope these updates are wrong. It’s ruining the surprise.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
DON'T EVEN JOKE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
bonus demands, maybe? What is Wheeler supposed to be asking for?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’ve heard $4m.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Have you heard anything from Tony Sanchez, J?
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Yeah, he said, “LOL PIRATES!”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Good for him
He’ll need a sense of humor for awhile.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
Huh. Funny how everyone now has Wheeler to the Giants, whereas previously everyone seemed to think they preferred Matzek.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
That cow pic reminds me of the sad cow from the Lincecum Cy Young thread.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 9, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions
Wheelers scouting report
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp?content=wheeler
In the video he does that “inverted W”(I dunno why they don’t just call it an M) thing in his delivery. I’m not mechanics expert but I’ve read that it’s not a good thing.
Matzek, Turner or Tate
More or less like these guys equally, but Matzek if I had to
You don’t like Miller?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
re
I would be happy with him too, but the notes about control problems worry me a bit more. Plus, his name is Shelby.
pretty much where I'm at
Crow
Matzek
Jacob Turner
Grant Green
Zach Wheeler
Stairs player: Scheppers.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions
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geez at least put a good pie picture up
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you one of those furriners that don’t like punkin pie?
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Are you one of those furriners sane people that don’t like punkin pie?
Yes, yes I am.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
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Epic...
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I HEARD
ACKLEY HATES PIE AND PUPPIES. BUT HE LOVES COCAINE AND BEATING WOMEN
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If the Giants take Wheeler
I am calling him “Free”.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 9, 2009 1:56 PM PDT reply actions
I’m calling him “Big”
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
we already have an 18
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Matzek would be my #1 choice (and AFAICT, he seems to have better stuff and command than Wheeler), but I’ll trust the Giants in any pitcher choice they make. I’ll be really disappointed if it came down to $$ dictating their choice though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Exactly. It’s not like this is the Madbum/Alderson/Fairley, etc ,etc draft. There’s no excuse to be cheap unless we end up landing some massive latin talent.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Yeah.
I think my only “stairs” player would be Mike Minor, who just seems kind of uninspiring. I have a one-story house, so I might have to toss myself off the porch.
OK, I’ll display my ignorance. What is this mysterious “stairs” player you all mention? We wouldn’t want to draft Matt Stairs, would we?
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In 2007, Dr.B threatened to throw himself down the stairs if the Giants drafted Bumgarner. He was never heard from again.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I recovered
from my fall, but had amnesia. It’s all coming back to me now…
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Does anyone know....
if there is going to be a stream of the draft online? Justin tv or whatever?
I think it says mlb.com is going to be streaming it but for some reason my computer can never connect to it…..
Fate is inexorable
Callis Updates
These eight picks look fairly certain:
1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
7. Braves: Vanderbilt lefthander Mike Minor.
8. Reds: North Carolina righhander Alex White.
The Tigers are deciding whether to spend big (California HS lefthander Tyler Matzek, Missouri HS righty Jacob Turner), smaller (Texas HS righty Shelby Miller) or a little smaller (Arizona State RHP Mike Leake). Stay tuned.
Source: BaseballAmerica
Jim Callis is ruining all the fun of the draft >:(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Did he call the first 8 picks last year too? I was without internet access.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I mean, was he right?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Callis specifically. I dunno but BA generally, yes. There are others with sources who also do the same. Check out KLaw and see what he is talking about. Mayo has great sources too
I just mean: did he do this right before the draft last year (say where everyone was going) and then was he right? I’m looking at the draft blog archives and I don’t see anything like that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Anyway
It doesn’t really matter. I just don’t like people calling the entire draft before it happens (not the same as “mocking” the draft)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’m looking at the draft blog from last year (looks like it was Manuel doing it) and there isn’t anything about how it’s very likely that this is exactly how things are going to shake out. The wording this year makes it sound like they all have inside info or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Not with all eight top picks. Very few people expected Alonso to go before Smoak (although as I recall, wil, you were on the Alonso bandwagon).
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Actually, the only “We have learned that (Team) will draft (Player)” reporting I recall on draft day last year was Beckham and the Rays. Like I said, everyone else in the top 4 was expected to go as they did, though.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Yeah, the blog is pretty much “With Beckham going to the Rays, we feel very good about the rest of the top 4.” But nothing about how it’s a lock or anything. Here’s the link.
I just hate having things spoiled for me before they happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Well, maybe they’re full of it!
I seem to recall people were pretty surprised about the Giants drafting Lincecum.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I bet there’s probably just more information out there this year. I’m still kind of hoping they’re wrong – not because I don’t want Wheeler, but because I’d like there to be SOME surprise. At this point, the whole first round is going to be known by the time 3 PM rolls around. (Apparently the Nats are going with Storen at 10!)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Drafting closers with high first round picks always works out!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Mayo was on the money last year
He’s posting all the inside info on his twitter page http://twitter.com/JonathanMayoB3
He has the same order as Callis
Once it leaked that Beckham would go #1, the rest of the top 4 were pretty well known, with the Giants either going for Posey or Smoak most likely. After that, there were surprises. Alonso going before Smoak, for instance, or Castro in the top 10.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
And
this is just a pet peeve w/ the draft in general to me. I hate it on the NFL draft when Chris Berman oh so “subtly” calls every single pick right before it’s made. Just keep it to yourself, asshole. (Not calling Jim Callis an asshole. But Berman is.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
WAKA WAKA WAKA
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Matzek is really going to fall that far?
I doubt it.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 9, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
what is a Matt Hobgood?
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS OUT OF AURORA, ILLINOIS
Local newscaster Wayne Campbell is broken up about it, but the truth has to be known.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody get BP?
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9031
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Zack Wheeler, RHP, East Paulding HS (GA)
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I would prefer Crow or Matzek, but I would be very happy with Zach Wheeler. I trust the Giants a lot on High School pitching
going cheap on the second first rounder
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
with the amount of money they are going to have to give Strasburg, I wouldn’t fault them for going cheap with that pick
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 9, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
also, it looks like a “need” pick.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Nationals overreacting to their relief woes a bit. It seems like the highly picked college closers of the past few years haven’t been as fast moving as advertised though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
There’s also talk of giving him another chance to be a starter. They could always try that first, then if it wasn’t successful they could revert to having him as a closer. There’s no rush – the Nats won’t be good for several seasons.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
How many other guys have done that successfully?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I ask because I can’t think of any others off the top of my head. Usually it goes the other direction.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
It certainly makes more sense the other direction. Maybe the real question is why was Ortiz closing in college?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
As I recall, the Giants initally saw him as a closer. When they started him in the minors, they said it was so he could work on his pitches, and they still thought he’d be a closer in MLB. But then they changed their mind. I may be misremembering, though – it’s been a while.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Draft!
I’d be happy if the Giants got Kyle Bellows later on. It’d basically make my day.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 9, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=974
I hope this wasn’t posted already. It has Matzec falling because of price demands, and the Giants taking Wheeler.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
I know nothing
but I’d prefer Matzek. Then again, this is one area where Giants Brass knows what its doing.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I do, too...BUT
if they go for Wheeler over Matzek because of money, I’ll be disappointed.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
If they really think Wheeler is the better prospect, I trust them. If they think he’ll be easier to sign, that’s disappointing.
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I would be disappointed if it was a money thing, but given the Giants recent history in the draft and Latin America, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 9, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Zack Wheeler
Is definitely a good pitcher otherwise Sabean would not have wasted his time going to Georgia to scout the kid. Sabean has been out scouting a lot of prospects this spring.
wait, if wilriv likes Wheeler
I want Matzek for sure.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
not saying he’d be a bad pick. Really, the two are close. I just prefer Matzek because he’s left handed. I trust their judgment on quality of pitchers. I just hope they pick the player they think will be the best player, not the most signable. They haven’t shied away in recent years from big bonus demands. I hope that trend continues.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Matzek also sounds like he has better command at this point in time, but who really knows.
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He walked 3.3/9. I don’t know what’s considered plus command in terms of high school pitchers but it doesn’t seem like it’s better than Bumgarner or Alderson, when they were in HS.
He's only walked 4 this entire year too
That’s insane.
by FireBrianSabean on Jun 9, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s not a bad idea. but a lefty might be more attractive in a deal.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be a cover up?
Didn’t Sabean actually avoid going to see Lincecum in 2006 so as to not tip off their interest? So I wonder which notable prospect Sabes has NOT been scouting this spring
by baseballjunkie on Jun 9, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I heard that one, too. sounds too smart for Sabean, though.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Wheeler after reading the scouting report. Maybe not as polished, but seems every bit as projectable as Matzek.
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Wheeler seems like Generic Elite Right-Handed Pitching Prospect: mid-90s fastball, curve that flashes plus, inconsistent delivery, struggles with command, projectability, etc etc. Lord knows how they can choose among these guys.
So whatever happened to those fantastic CYOA?
Did the almighty Grant stop them because every one would end in GIDP ?
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyler Matzek
That is, if Ackley is gone.
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by GiantsFanInExile on Jun 9, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions
Zack Wheeler myspace, supposedly run by his brother, with photos and such:
http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
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Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Dude's long-limbed
Looks like he could do with a sandwich, though.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I think that’s the kind of rotation the Giants are looking for these days.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
He and Tim will get along well.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
He’s about five feet taller than Tim, though.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
If stringbean is pumping 95 already he has to be able to hit 109 consistently in a few years.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jun 9, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this
in a perfect world would be a pic of Crow.
Then we’d be all “caw caw – you’re out”
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un-diet Pepsi.
Also, I miss Pepsi Flashback
by positiveuphemism on Jun 9, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
mmmm trace amounts of cocain
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by The Gene Hackman on Jun 9, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Full Sail Pale Ale
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I've heard good things of this drink
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
and he's okay with that?
wow, he must be hurting for money.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jun 9, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
3:00 coffee break
it’s a little stale, so half-and-half.
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what a dumbfuck.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'M MATT FUCKING BUSH
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
COVER UP!
it’s nearly always worse than the crime.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear a lot of hookers have turned up dead around the UNC campus lately. Funny thing is, they were all on their way to speak to the police about a top-secret investigation.
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Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 9, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT THE RED SOX PLAY THE YANKEES TONIGHT OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Jun 9, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Goldstein
Speaking of high school arms – all of those guys looking for huge money? They’re all dropping . . . bigtime. Could all clear the top ten picks unless Detroit bites. Matzek, Purke, Miller and Turner will create a lot of tough decisions for teams picking in the middle of the first round.
Makes you wonder if this is some sort of organized movement to try to steer themselves to “better” teams. If so, that totally screws up the purpose of the draft. Some kind of slotting needs to be made mandatory, it looks like to me.
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If Matzek falls to the Dodgers, I hope his arm falls after the second after signing his contract.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 9, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
No love for Poythress?
He’s a college kid and he can rake. It’d be a serious overdraft but i’d rather have him over any of the high school pitchers besides matzek, wheeler, or miller.
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He shouldnt even be a consideration at 6. Would LOVE at 55 though
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I’d be happy with any of those, Kipnis is the most likely to be available
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 9, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Mendonca or Dominguez
if they are there, of course.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jun 9, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Kipnis
hmmm, on-base machine with average-ish tools from ASU? Sounds like someone else I can think of.
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Leake
Any thoughts on selectin Leake with the first pick?