minor lines, 6/4/09
Highlights: In a high scoring game at alitude, (a) John Bowker homered among three hits, and (b) Ben Copeland reached base in all five plate appearances. Madison Bumgarner pitched but had less than a quality start.
AAA: Fresno lost to Colorado Springs 16-8
(yielding five runs in both the 5th and 8th innings)
Fresno: RF John Bowker: 3 for 5, HR, 2B
Fresno: LF Ben Copleand: 3 for 3, 3B, 2B, 2 BB, SB
Colorado Springs: C Chris Iannetta: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Colorado Springs: LF Matt Miller: 3 for 3, 3B, BB, SF
Fresno: RHP Ramon Ortiz: 4.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 6 K
Fresno: RHP Steve Palazzolo: 2.0 IP, 7 H, 8 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 1 K--1 HR
Fresno: RHP Osiris Matos: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1 BB
Fresno: LHP Alex Hinshaw: 0.1 IP, 3 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 1 K--1 WP
Fresno: "RHP" Jake Wald: 0.2 IP, 2 H
Colorado Springs: RHP Jason Hirsh: 4.0 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 0 K--1 HR, 1 BK
Bowker and Copeland each had three of the Grizzlies' fifteen hits, raising their respective AVGs to .347 and .354. Bowker had his 5th HR and 12th double. Copeland reached base in all five plate appearances. He also had his 5th SB in thirteen PCL games. Rockies' catcher Iannetta played his second rehab game. Miller, whom BA did not rank among the Rockies' top 30 prospects, is now hitting .350/.383/.547 through his first 203 AB this year, his first full season in the PCL as a 25-year-old.
After seventeen relief appearances to begin the season, Ortiz made his first start. In relief, both Palazzolo and Hinshaw took a beating with 5 ER each, ballooning their ERAs to 5.55 and 7.63. In between their appearances, Matos pitched a scoreless 8th inning despite allowing three baserunners. Wald got the mop up duty in what I presume was his professional debut as a pitcher. Hirsh is struggling to get back to the majors, and with an ERA close to 6.00 after eleven PCL starts, his return to the majors hardly seems imminent.
AA: Connecticut defeated New Britain 8-4
Connecticut: 1B Brett Pill: 2 for 5, HR
Connecticut: SS Brandon Crawford: 2 for 5, 2B, 2 SO
New Britain: C Wilson Ramos: 2 for 4
Connecticut: LHP Madison Bumgarner: 6.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 5 K--1 HR, 1 HB, 1 WP, 1 PO
Connecticut: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 2.0 IP, 1 BB, 1 K
Pill had his 3rd HR in his last ten games and his 4th HR of the season. Two hits raised his AVG to .288. Crawford was one of four other Defenders with a two-hit line, including his 4th double, but he also had had two of the Defenders' four strikeouts as he continues to have more strikeout than hits since joining the Defenders (26 H and 27 SO among 97 AB, .267 AVG). Ramos, who began the year ranked as the Twins #3 prospect, has a .290 AVG through his first 107 AB, although it is a fairly empty batting average with an OPS below .675.
Bumgarner had his least effective start since joining the Defenders. He had allowed just 2 R in his first four starts but allowed 4 R in his fifth start. Still, his overall stats remain impressive, including a 1.86 ERA. Joaquin had his third consecutive effective relief appearance, although he had just a single strikeout in this appearance.
A+: San Jose lost to Bakersfield 4-0
San Jose: DH Buster Posey: 1 for 3, BB
San Jose: 2B Skyler Stromsmoe: 1 for 2, HBP
San Jose: LHP Scott Barnes: 4.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 8 K--2 HR
San Jose: RHP David Mixon: 2.0 IP, 3 K
The Giants' offense was limited to four singles, a walk, and a hit batter; and Posey and Stromsmoe accounted for four of those six baserunners, raising their OBPs to .395 and .303.
Despite making his shortest start of the year (in terms of IP) among ten starts, Barnes had a season-high 8 K, striking out nearly half of the eighteen batters he faced in four innings. After having allowed just 2 HRs in his previous nine starts, he allowed 2 HRs in this start. Mixon struck out three of the six batters he faced in two perfect innings, but his ERA remains above 6.00.
A-: Augusta at Rome postponed by rain
(A doubleheader is scheduled for tomorrow.)
DSL: Giants defeated Blue Jay 4-2
Dominican: LF Eduardo Lopez: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Dominican: RHP Miguel Ferrer: 6.0+ IP, 1 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 2 K--1 HB
Lopez (18.3 y.o.) had the first XBH of his career, and with the first multi-hit game of his pro career he raised his AVG above .200. Ferrer (18.10 y.o.) allowed just one hit in 6.0+ scoreless IP in his second start of the season. Two of the three batters he faced in the 7th inning reached on errors. A year ago he had a 2.44 ERA in 62.2 IP in the DSL.
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Any idea on where the Bucardo brothers are?
Thought I would see Wilber in Augusta, but not there..
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
Bowkers OBP is up to .455, just comically high. Him and Guzman are just wasting their time down there when they should be contributing for Giants.
When Linden was dominating the PCL in ‘05 his OBP was .437 for comparison. I like to think he won’t become the next linden because he hit 10hrs at the MLB level already. I like Bowkers chances of launching one off a frazzled, average righty reliever in RBI situations late in games.
Getting playing time would be an issue but he could get some starts at 1B as well with Ishikawa finishing games. Schierholtz and Bowker vs. RHR and Guzman/Aurilia against LHR is legit pinch hitting depth late in games.
Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.
by SneakToBetterSeats on Jun 5, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
it's funny that on a team with an offense this bad
there’s even a need to discuss whether or not to find playing time for guys mashing in Fresno.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 5, 2009 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Go Bowker Go
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by rightcenterfielder on Jun 4, 2009 11:23 PM PDT reply actions
Bumgarner
Any scouting on his move to first? Anyone seen his A and B moves?
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 4, 2009 11:26 PM PDT reply actions
I'ts gotta be something dirty..
Cus he has a pickoff like every game (if base runners ever get on)
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He does the high leg kick and looks at the plate, then throws to first. Think Petitte’s move. It’s really effective,
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Does he ever switch it up or is it consistently the same move?
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 5, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Bumgarner
He had a pickoff today, and fielded 2 groundouts. Seems very good at covering first on the bunts Pill throws over to him.
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4 ERs?!?!?!?! SHOULDA DRAFTED PORCELLO OMG
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You gentlemen may return to your rocking chairs and resume whittling.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
What happened to that pitcher the Giants traded Ronny Paulino for? Haven’t seen his name in the box scores.
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According to firstinning.com, Hector Correa hasn't pitched this year.
http://firstinning.com/players/Hector-Correa-a
Wilber Bucardo: Carlos Silva with a younger brother.
I was just thinking about this
Hector Correa: wikipedia says Augusta, but I don’t see any listing.
Just the other day I was thinking: maybe Ronny Paulino might have been a handy piece to have in the organization.
Also thinking: did they just give Taschner away for nothing?
Followed by: sheesh.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 5, 2009 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions
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I don’t see any listing for him on milb.com
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by natteringnabob on Jun 5, 2009 5:51 AM PDT up reply actions
good thing Paulino hasn’t done much with the Marlins (until this weekend when he kills us) or this would really look bad for Sabean. The way Molina has struggled the last month it would have been nice to have a real major league backup catcher. Eli Whiteside has actually looked decent, but you know Bochy has no faith in him and he’s not about to get more playing time.
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it's funny how often we discuss backup catchers around here
and it doesn’t matter much on a .500 team, but I definitely agree. The Giants have actually developed decent catchers (Yorvit, Alfonzo) but strangely end up with no one. You’d think Botchy would love to have a lefty catcher to make platooning and double switching more delicious.
I suppose I started wondering this when people around me at the yard on Sunday kept asking who the heck Whiteside was, where he came from, etc.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 5, 2009 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions
speaking of Yorvit, his son was kidnapped, but he was just rescued and is back home safe and sound. Maybe Yorvit should consider bringing his kid to this country where it’s a lot safer.
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I’m pretty sure they don’t kidnap the children of athletes and hold them for ransom on a regular basis in Colorado.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 5, 2009 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
As opposed to Venezuela, where it’s a national holiday? I mean, I know Venezuela has a huge crime problem, but by this logic, anyone who lives in Chicago or Los Angeles should just pack his bags and move to Japan. It’s not that simple.
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it’s not, but kidnapping the children of wealthy parents goes on way too much down there. You have to do what you can to protect your loved ones.
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Nah
not the same. Venezuela is a completely different environment to Chicago or LA. Both have high crime, but at least the big cities are in this country, where it’s generally a little bit safer. Of course, that doesn’t ALWAYS apply, but I’d rather live anywhere here than in Venezuela personally..
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My point was not that Venezuela is as safe as Chicago, but that the difference between Venezuela and the US is similar to the differnce between the US and other countries around the world, like Japan.
Homicide rates per 100,000:
Venezuela: 48.
USA: 5.8.
Japan: 0.64.
The US is 8 times safer than Venezuela. Japan is 9 times safer than the US. So if any Venezuelan who can afford it should just move to the US, regardless of his feelings towards his home country, and his feelings towards the the American culture, lifestyle, and language, shouldn’t all Americans do the same and move to Japan?
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What are the kidnap rates in Venezuela for residents who earn $1 million/year and up? How do that compare with kidnap rates of the wealthy in the US and Japan?
I think just giving the across-the-board homicide rates for all citizens misses the point that the very wealthy are very much targets of organized crime in Venezuela, whereas they are able to live much more safely here.
There’s also the question of what is acceptable risk, and what isn’t. At some point, the homicide rate becomes so low (as the US rate is for those not living in the more dangerous areas), that there is effectively little to no perceived difference between living in the US and living in Japan. I suppose that, up to now, having his family living in Venezuela felt like acceptable risk to Yorvit Torrealba, as it did to Ugueth Urbina. I would think that Yorvit might now re-think whether that degree of risk is still acceptable.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
That’s exactly the thing, what’s acceptable and what isn’t isn’t an objective thing. Some would argue that a 6/100,000 murder rate isn’t acceptable, or that any murder rate isn’t acceptable. It depends, to a large degree, on what you’ve grown used too. We tend to think of what we’re used to as the norm. In this case, America is the norm. Not the safest place in the world, but safe enough. Any improvement would just be gravy. Sure, I might be safer if I moved somewhere else, but I like it here. But any place less safe than America is unsafe. The people who live there are just crazy. They should totally move here, where it’s safer.
It’s like that George Carlin bit about driving in highways – ever notice that anyone going slower than you is an idiot, but anyone going faster is a maniac?
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That analogy really doesn’t apply here. People who drive slower on the freeway may seem like idiots, but I don’t think any Americans look down on Japan for its lower homicide rate.
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A lot of those homicides in America are located in small areas such as Compton/Detroit/etc.. I bet there a lot of places in America with homicide rates well under .64
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Not sure about that, actually...
…according to these FBI tables, there were only 18 “metropolitan” areas with homicide rates lower than Japan’s in 2007. However, they’re all small (less than 500,000 people) and subject to big statistical variation. For instance, Pocatello, ID had a rate of 0.0 for the year, but at only 87,000 inhabitants, a single homicide would have brought the rate up to 1.1.
Provo-Orem, UT is the closest thing to a big city on the list (498,000 in the metro area and a homicide rate of 0.4).
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I guarantee that Venezuela has regional differences as well, though.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 5, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet she’s never committed homicide!
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Having just read the State Department travel information for Venezuela, I have to say it sounds orders of magnitude worse than any US city.
And I think that most folks who live in the worst neighborhoods of Chicago or LA or wherever would seriously consider moving to Japan, if they had made three million dollars last year. Or at least to the suburbs.
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I don't think it would matter.
I don’t think Bochy would give playing time to anyone not named Bengie Molina. Molina’s appeared in 50 out of 52 games, including 44 starts behind the plate. For better or worse (lately, worse) Bochy is convinced that he needs Bengie out there every day.
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He’s still in extended spring training as far as I know.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Downs
Anyone know what happened to Matt Downs. He left in the middle of Monday’s game and hasn’t played since and is currently listed on Fresno’s reserve list.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
just checked the Fresno box score, also would like report on Downs. Can’t find anything at Fresno Bee.
Velez got the start at shortstop, Frandsen at second. Errors by Guzman, Frandsen, and catcher Witter, also a PB. Folks were saying Witter was rough defensively. Maybe so. No errors by Velez though, and started a DP. Yes, I remember he played a lousy year at shortstop for Augusta while mashing. I still think Eugenio has value on a roster.
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After 1 game he has value?
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And Noonan continues to be rested against lefty starters. For the guy’s development, he’s gonna have to learn to hit lefties better.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
I was at the San Jose game
Tyler Graham is the fastest white guy I’ve ever seen. He singled in the sixth and then stole second and third with one out. He started to go home on a shallow fly ball to right but held up halfway down the line and made a mad dash back to third (he made the right decision, he would have been thrown out).
The kid is fast and he’s got some balls when it comes to running the bases, but he isn’t stupid about it like Velez. He has smart balls. I look forward to watching more of him.
I was really disappointed that Neal was not in the lineup. He’s becoming one of my favorite players.
I like cats.
But how are his balls?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 5, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
firey
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 5, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I noticed Klieshnik K’d a couple times. Did he look lost against lefties? Stats shows his slugging drops but average stays OK
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His last at bat in the ninth was a joke. He swung and missed three consecutive pitches. At least I think he did. Actually he might have fouled a pitch, but at least two of his strikes were swing-throughs. The beer batter struck out three times last night so by the ninth my memory became a bit foggy.
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So, uh, I’m glad Hinshaw’s not with the Giants anymore.
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For a ML team looking for a bomber would hope the Giants look for a way to promote John Boy Bowker back to the MLs. The organization OF prospects are mostly LHH (Lewis, Schierholtz, Bowker even Copeland and Kieschnick).
Box Scores
For the day, and in fact archived going back several seasons are easily available at minorleaguebaseball.com.
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is the suggestion too difficult? Would be nice to go to one source, minor lines, and if a player is not mentioned can still see the line for a day.
Thanx
I can’t answer for more Steve as for too difficult, but it’s definitely a little more work.
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pie in the sky
Hope he’s going to be in the AZL this year.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that
considered a step faster than what Anvil did? It seemed like we were waiting for a long time to see Villalona on US soil.
Villalona was in instructs the year before he debuted in the AZL. IIRC RafRod was in instructs last year.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not in DSL so it makes sense that he’ll be in the AZL.
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