Post-Games Recap: Matt Cain Pitches a Complete Game
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 4, 2009 8:51 PM PDT
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It's kind of a weenie way to get a series win and a doubleheader sweep, BUT I'LL TAKE IT.
Two highlights from the games:
I could watch the Randy Johnson dive all day. It was so devoid of grace that it was graceful. It was a heck of a play, too.
The most amazing thing about Johnson's milestone isn't just how late he started his major league career, but that he was still walking 150 hitters a season when he was 27 and 28. His ERA was close to the league average each year, and he was the classic, boy-if-he-ever-can-figure-out-how-to-throw-strikes pitcher. If you took a poll in 1992 asking which 50 pitchers were likely to get to 300 wins, Johnson might not have cracked the list. Not only was he already close to 30, and not only did he throw a ton of pitches because he was so wild, but his body type never screamed "longevity."
Amazing stuff. Good series, albiet a little too wet. I'm sure Florida will fix that.
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Matt is going to pitch Monday on short rest.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 4, 2009 8:52 PM PDT reply actions
I wonder what kind of reaction Arizona fans will give Johnson as the Giants go there Tuesday-Thursday.
I expect Vic to give us a full report.
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 4, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
they mean srs bns
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Serious buns?
Cain, maybe, but Johnson’s buns are kind of lanky.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant “srs bsns.” :P
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt looks so serious because it’s a picture from last year when Bochy told him he was taking him out and bringing in Tyler Walker. I saw Buck Showalter last night and he was saying that when he came to the mound to get Randy Johnson he would ask him who was coming in, and if he didn’t like who Buck was bringing in, he would demand to stay in the game. Can you imagine if Randy pitched for the Giants last year? He would have led the league in complete games.
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srs pitchers are srs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s kind of a weenie way to get a series win and a doubleheader sweep, BUT I’LL TAKE IT.
I feel the same way. It would probably feel more right if it weren’t the Nats.
Not to mention a completely empty stadium
Holy crap what a depressing way to win 300. I live in DC now and tried to go to the game yesterday and got hammered by the fattest rain drops ever and then hail just to have the game postponed. I was gunna attempt it again today but it looked as if the same thing was going to happen. Pretty upset I was not there, with the stadium empty, I may have been able to get one of those hugs Randy was giving out, haha.
seemed like there were more Giants’ fans there than Nats’ fans. That would make sense as bad weather would discourage the home team’s fans, but the road team’s fans only have that shot to see the team. Then again, maybe the Nats’ fans just had nothing to cheer about.
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I remember thinking that for the first game. When the Nationals took the lead in the second game there was quite a bit of cheering so I think it was just that they really didn’t have anything to cheer about all day.
by paboperfecto on Jun 5, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I just rewatched the RJ play and laughed my ass off. I don’t think I realized how hilarious he looked at the time.
(Also, speaking of RJ looking hilarious, that one where he’s described as a lion chasing its prey is still probably my favorite picture caption of the year so far.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
So if Sadler = Sanchez and they are both part of the same starting rotation, will they both convert instantaneously and completely to energy, creating a wormhole through which the possibility of s SF Giants World Series championship can slip into local time/space?
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So we’re two games over .500 again, right?
But BTB said we were the worst team in baseball ;_;
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I really don’t understand how with our pitchers we could honestly be the WORST team. Worst offense, sure. Bad team, likely. But come on. How many worst teams in MLB that you can remember have had a duo like Lincecum and Cain?
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 4, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that we should have allowed more or scored less runs based on our EqA or something. IDK. I’m pretty sure the Giants aren’t the worst team in baseball, no matter what statistical measure you use.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
allowed more than EQA suggests
“THEY’RE SO CLUTCH!”
Pretty much look at Cain’s FIP and reliever RA compared to peripherals. The Good news is that the wins you don’t deserve because you are overperforming you EQA still count!!
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. but we can expect to go something like 20-60 the rest of the year.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
nah
32-48
But oddly, BP still projects the Giants to finish with 80-82 wins, so they must be underperforming their PECOTAS.
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Aren’t power rankings context dependent? We play in probably the weakest division in the majors, we should be expected to win more than we “deserve”.
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:-(
it's not a power ranking
it’s a simulation… and I think they do play out the actual schedule. Obviously, there are lots of assumptions in the simulation…
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That play by Burriss was absolutely beautiful. All around awesome. His Momma must be proud.
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 4, 2009 9:02 PM PDT reply actions
RJ
A truly great “Giant”. Randy Johnson in his demeanor and approach to the game warrants respect.
Can anyone explain why UZR hates Manny? I feel like he makes plays out of the zone all the time but he’s at -3.4 for the year.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
SSS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
He’s still only at .4 if you look at last year and this year (700~ish innings)
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He shows signs of brilliance but he is still not like that all the time, from what I can tell. He might also look flashy but not be as good as he looks (so far).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Could it be positioning on the hits that get by… so it doesn’t look like he should have gotten to it, but it’s in the zone?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 4, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Was it Burriss that was getting killed by UZR because of a few errors he made? I don’t remember exactly which player it was, but I want to say it was him. He shows good range, but misplayed a few routine ground balls, and his UZR dropped a lot because of it
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by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 4, 2009 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Geez
A lot of Lakers loving on ESPN’s Sports Center. The anchors all seem overly giddy over the Lakers win.
Yeah, was a good win..
But mostly because Orlando played soooo bad, moreso than the Lakers playing well.
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Only as a night job away from their Yankee/Red Sox jobs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 4, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently the Magic were too distracted by the celebrities in the audience to play.
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The next 300 winner, if it happens, won't happen soon.
ACTIVE WINS LEADERS
Player Wins
1. Tom Glavine 305
2. Randy Johnson 299
3. Jamie Moyer 250
4. Andy Pettitte 220
5. *Pedro Martinez 214
6. John Smoltz 210
7. Tim Wakefield 184
8. Bartolo Colon 153
9. Livan Hernandez 151
10. Tim Hudson 146
*free agent
Livan Hernandez
Was that necessary?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 4, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Pettite could do it by the time he’s 44, easy.
Easy, of course, is extremely relative here.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Livan could do it
If he pitches until he’s 108.
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nah. 109.
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 4, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Only problem with Livan getting 300 wins is that he’ll have 600 losses by then.
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Breaking one of Cy Young’s seemingly-untouchable records!
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I bet it will be Mark Buerhle, if he doesn’t retire after his current contract ends like he says he’s going to.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Maybe Halladay? But only if he moves out of the AL East, to a good team, and manages to avoid injuries. And even then it’s a bit of a long-shot.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
I don’t think any of these guys will do it.
I could see Moyer getting to 280, but I also don’t think he has many years left.
Pettite has already been thinking of retiring. He won’t be around long enough to do it. Everyone else is old or too far away w/ no real chance.
But what do I know.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 4, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The guys pitching right now who I might suspect could do it would be Halladay, Oswalt, and Beurhle (as mentioned above)… not as many wins right now, but significantly younger.
by J. Frank Parnell on Jun 4, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Moyer at 311
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 4, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
C.C. will do it if he stays healthy. He turns 29 in July and is almost half way there. He also plays for a team who likely will have a good offense for the rest of his career in pinstripes.
A team that will…
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by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2009 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
this
it’ll be an interesting test. He’s kind of a freak of nature for a pitcher (ridiculous size), just like RJ obviously is… kind of. Will CC’s bulk hurt him down the line? Contribute to knee injuries, or is he just so much of a workhorse that it won’t matter. In any case, I think he’s got the best chance of just about anyone. But it wouldn’t surprise me if there’s another young-ish player who will do it as well— it seems like there’s been a lot of young pitching talent to reach the majors lately, and it wouldn’t surprise me too much if a Cole Hamels-type were to pull it off someday.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 5, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone have a reason why the Nationals logo is in Giants colors here?
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by rightcenterfielder on Jun 4, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions
yeah he is ;)
If my head is full of white hairs by the end of this season.. I blame Brian Wilson. (I'm only 22, dammit!)
now u can talk about ur fantasy teem?
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ightj9uHKY
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I should actually watch this….
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh. That’s interesting.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Beat LA
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Knock on wood...
Aaron Rowand’s current batting line for the season: .294/.357/.486
Wouldn’t it be terrific if his contract didn’t turn out to be a total waste?
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 4, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions
You just jinxed it
This is when it all goes south,,,,,,,again
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 4, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
i knocked on wood. for real. we’re safe.
nojinxnojinxnojinx.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 4, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he was doing better at this time of last year.
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oh
so you’re saying he’ll probably suck again.
.
..
…
dammit.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 4, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait
I can’t believe they got the second game in. When they were getting ready to start it just sounded like it would get washed out.
I’m kind of impressed that they got 2 in today- I knew they’d push to get the RJ game in, but it’s interesting that the second game (which apparently they didn’t charge separate admission for) was played out too.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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Now tied for league lead in wins and 2nd in ERA. It will still take a lot of help, but Matt Cain for Cy Young doesn’t look so far-fetched at the moment.
If he keeps going 7:2 K/BB every 5 innings, he’s got a good shot.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
4.75 K/BB his last 3 starts
SSS but at least it’s an improvement
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Farfetch’d was cool-looking but ultimately worthless.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That’d be, what, fly and cut?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a horrible attack and Normal type. So very lame.
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I disagree.
Flash is more annoying.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Flash has since been turned into a TM, but it is quite useless either way.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh. I haven’t been playing Diamond a lot (I’m still trying to get my third badge), so I had no idea Flash wasn’t an HM anymore. But, yeah, it’s pretty useless.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
There might be another one, but those are the two main ones.
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Yeah, you didn’t need too many HMs back then.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Surf and Fly are probably the only HMs I like.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Can he learn Defog? I hate that HM and I hate the stupid fog crap in DPPt.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Not far-fetched but still unlikely. There is a lot of love for Johan Santana especially since a lot of the voters don’t watch Matt Cain or west coast games.
I can't remember who won last year's NL CY, but I do recall that the vote totals for Santana weren't very close to whomever won.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 4, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
They might. They might also not think they have anything to make up for.
They might continue voting by the same method that produced a west coast winner. They might also realize that there are 14 out of 15 voters who do not work in New York City. They might also realize that the east coast writers in PHI, PIT, DC, and FLA have no automatic love for Santana — you know, division rival and all that — and for damn sure don’t feel they have anything to “make up” to him.
It’s way too early to be discussing CY anyway. But with the availability of information now and the fact that sportswriters who get to vote don’t JUST get all their info from ESPN SportsCenter, I think it is simplistic to just say “east coast bias,” ignoring that ALL NL CYs have come west in the past decade:
1999 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks 17–9 0 2.49
2000 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks 19–7 0 2.64
2001 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks 21–6 0 2.49
2002 Randy Johnson Arizona Diamondbacks 24–5 0 2.32
2003 Éric Gagné Los Angeles Dodgers 2–3 55 1.20
2004 Roger Clemens Houston Astros 18–4 0 2.98
2005 Chris Carpenter St. Louis Cardinals 21–5 0 2.83
2006 Brandon Webb Arizona Diamondbacks 16-8 0 3.10
2007 Jake Peavy San Diego Padres 19–6 0 2.54
2008 Tim Lincecum San Francisco Giants 18–5 0 2.62
I could be dense, but I am missing the east coast bias.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 4, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I know Matt Cain is having a good year because fans in NY are calling up talk radio concocting trades for him. They probably never heard of him before. Cain for Fernando Martinez is the one the caller wanted yesterday. At least he agreed with the host when the host said the Giants would never do that. Maybe the Mets can throw in Ramon Martinez.
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Primary bias: AZ. Secondary bias: cities named for saints.
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Since it was brought up:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy
Cain is third on the list for the ESPN predictor, we won’t count the 1st place guy though because he’s a reliever and they never win. :)
Slightly off topic, wasn’t one of Gagne’s losses in 2003 a blown four run lead against the Giants in the 9th? Didn’t break his saves streak but was fun to watch.
Cain about 11 points behind Broxton...
…so the 12-point bonus for leading the Giants to the division title would be just enough to put him in first. Sweet! It’s in the bag!
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Jon Heyman was on MLB Network this winter whining about how Santana didn’t win. I hate that guy. Heyman, not Santana.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I like when he whines about Santana’s lack of run support. He played on a team with Jose, Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado and David Wright. Tim pitched for a team that used Bengie Molina in the cleanup spot. Give me a break.
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Johan just needs a leader. Aren’t there any leaders in New York? The Mets consider leadership a very important quality.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno...
Johan’s looking REALLY strong. And pitching in NY doesn’t hurt. But of course, I’ll be rooting for our Bobby Hill.
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 5, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Pitching in NY neither helps nor hurts. See above.
How many CY votes do y’all think New York writers get, anyway? And even only partially modernized sportswriters actually look at stats and don’t JUST rely on highlights each night on ESPN to form the basis of their votes. Look at the last 10 CY winners in the NL, coinciding with about the time that sportswriters became more conversant with stats, greater/easier access to information, saturation media, etc. It’s more than slightly interesting that no NL CY has played for a team east of St. Louis. Fully EIGHT of the last 10 come from CA or the adjacent AZ. Isn’t there enough data to leave this “NY pitchers have advantage in CY voting” meme aside?
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just caught the highlights...
1. Very nice play by Manny.
2. Yay, Randall David!
3. Why does Pablo keep falling down on the basepaths?
re: 1 – I love Pablo, but Sandoval doesn’t catch the other end of that double play if he’s on 1st.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 5, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Only former Yankees.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That will be the most attention the Giants get all season.
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by rightcenterfielder on Jun 4, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Matt Cain will strike out Derek Jeter at the All Star Game!
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Derek Jeter in St. Louis!
/Joe Buck swoons
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by rightcenterfielder on Jun 4, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
and every one of them has those stupid Laker flags on their car
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by rightcenterfielder on Jun 4, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, WTF? Some guy at my work has 3 of them on his car. Looks pretty dumb.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 4, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
As my moniker suggests, I recently finished a 4 year prison sentence in lovely Southern CA. I thank Bonds every morning when I wake up that I was not forced to watch an LA parade last year because the Celtics took care of business.
I still have nightmares of being stuck in traffic jams on the 405 surrounded by moronic laker fans with 2 flags per car on the freeway. Screw Boston, but Fuck LA. Pardon my language.
by NorCalBruin08 on Jun 5, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
That goes without saying.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jun 4, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Wil, I though for sure you were a Laker fan. You know, heaven and all.
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 4, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not allowed to call them fans.. They are Laker “fans”
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 5, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
And I will spank down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger…
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 5, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPN's Top Plays
Burris’ play was #3. Number two was some golf tourny with 2 hole-in-ones. Number one was RJ’s 300th win.
I know most announcers are homers, but it was pretty funny to hear the Nats’ announcers take on that Wilson strike three to Dunn. They claimed the umpire missed the call because he forgot how tall Adam Dunn is. No way that pitch wasn’t a strike, and no way you can keep the bat on your shoulder in that situation. Isn’t that why you make 10 million a year and bat cleanup?
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c'mon
give Dunn a break. How often does Brian Wilson through a strike there? 50% of the time? I am pretty sure – even if he puts it in play – his BABIP is < .500
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The ball was clearly below his front kneecap, arguably below his back one too. This was at best a pitcher’s a strike, and at worst simply a bad call. Many umpires would call that a ball.
The whole “he should have swung” argument is both irrelevant and wrong. First of all, a pitch is either a strike or it isn’t. Whether or not the batter should have taken it shouldn’t in any way affect the umpire’s call. Second of all, that pitch is called a ball, what, at least half the time? It was a full count, so by taking it, Dunn gave his team at least a 50% chance of tying game and still having the bases loaded. When Dunn swings the bat, he misses the ball 30% of the time. What were his odds of even making contact with a 96 MPH at or blow the knees, let alone actually getting a hit? Dunn made the right call. It was definitely risk, but one worth taking.
Protecting the strike zone isn’t always a good idea. Sometimes taking a close pitch is the smart thing to do. This was one of those times.
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Ok seriously – you cannot call ball or strike from this photograph. But I agree with the rest of your point.
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Well, all the people here who have an opinion about whether or not that pitch was a strike, are basing that opinion on this photo. I agree that it’s hard to determine if it’s a strike, but you can clearly see that it’s close. There’s no way anyone can say that it was obviously a strike, which is what many have been saying. That’s my main point.
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pitch f/x?
should have the whole trajectory in 4D, no?
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That ball had a lot of downward movement on it if I remember correctly. Grab the photo from .01 seconds before this.
I think the point is that the picture is after the ball passed the plate – .01 seconds before that, the ball was higher.
You would need a side view level with the batter or some fancy photogrammetry software to get a perspective that was conclusive.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 5, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
close enough!
to not be egregious in any case.
There are probably 10 pitches/game that are worse calls that miscalling that one.
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This may be overdoing it
According to this drawing site the bottom of Dunn’s knees should be 19 1/2 inches off the ground when he is standing straight up (assuming regular human proportions and his 78 inch height). Number six is clearly over that and I’m pretty sure he was crouched a little.
I’m not sure you can scrunch your shins down…
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 5, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
No, but when you bend your knees they do go at an angle which makes them not so tall off the ground.
by paboperfecto on Jun 5, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Fundamental Error of the Superimposed Rectangle Purporting to be Strike Zone
Invariably, these things only look at where the ball ended up in the catcher’s mitt, rather than at any moment the ball was over the plate. The catcher’s mitt is a few feet behind the plate. The strike zone is a 5-sided solid that hovers above the plate. These kinds of pics and that damn rectangle that tv networks superimpose are completely wrong and quite misleading.
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Brian Wilson’s strikeout pitch to Adam Dunn>>>>>Zapruder film
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