Extra Baggs on $10 Million Decision on Lincecum...

Any guesses on how big of a contract Timmy will be offered by the Giants in 2010?

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From Buster Olney's June 30, 2009 MLB Blog...

The Mighty Tim

Tim Lincecum’s shutout of the Cardinals might rank as the best outing of his career, writes Henry Schulman — and I would defer to Henry on this, because he’s seen most of Lincecum’s starts in person. Watching from afar, what was so striking about Lincecum’s outing was how he pitched in the lower half of the strike zone mostly, and then every so often, when he elevated his fastball deeper in the ball-strike count, the St. Louis hitters responded with powerless swings and easy fly balls. He completely controlled this game. Right now, on June 30th, 2009, Lincecum is the King of the Mountain among starting pitchers in the majors.

Lincecum is really, really good, says Tony La Russa.

From Henry Gargiulo of ESPN Stats & Information, why Lincecum won:
A) He didn’t allow a hit when behind in the count (0-for-7). Opposing hitters were batting .460 with Lincecum behind coming into the game.
B) Seven of his eight strikeouts were swinging.
C) His fastball averaged 94 mph, 1.4 mph faster than his season average.
D) He didn’t throw more than 13 pitches in any inning.

Meanwhile, the day is coming when a Giants’ decision regarding Lincecum is going to cost them in a big way, writes Andrew Baggarly. (see above link)

"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum

by Timlincecum.com on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Gotta believe the brass will have a pow wow and sign Lincecum to a multi-year deal

by wilriv21 on Jun 30, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

33 Years $861 Billion

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by NuschlerFace on Jun 30, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bargain

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by ResDog on Jun 30, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's hoping

Even if they did make a $10 million mistake by calling him up a month earlier, his price is only going to go up the longer they wait.

Sadly, I can’t imagine how the team can afford to pay Zito, Lincecum and Cain top dollar. Damn that seven-year contract!

"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."

by Kitspool on Jun 30, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Solution

Pay them in McCovey Bucks

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by Natto on Jun 30, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1 Million Choco Tacos

by SeeingStars on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hence

Bumgarner, Alderson, Barnes, Clark, Sosa, Pucetas, Wheeler and their development is extremely important to the organization. Can look into the future and see a trade of either Lincecum and/or Cain in a few years if SF cannot get their bulging budget under control. A trade that would bring back some quality young arms in return. Cost of doing business.

by wilriv21 on Jun 30, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Easy it’s called adding payroll. If you want to win you have to do it.

Plus Winn and Molina need to be gone next year, that’s money we can save as we will have young, controllable and CHEAP players replacing each in guys like Schierholtz, Panda, Posey etc.

I don’t see any reason why we cannot keep our pitching staff together, we’re not the Marlins. We’re not even the Reds or the Cardinals. We’ve been an upper tier budget team for quite some time, and I see no reason why they can’t continue to do so. Especially with this organization’s fondness for deferring contract payments.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clarify: if you want to continue to win you have to add payroll. Homegrown stars must be paid, simple as that.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the stadium is almost paid off, yes? And deferred money is also being paid down (I’m looking at you, Barry Lamar!)

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by S.F. Giangst on Jul 1, 2009 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ummm...

I’m pretty sure the stadium isn’t even halfway to being paid off. Wasn’t it a 20-year debt servicing in 1999 or 2000?

"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."

by Kitspool on Jul 1, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who starts the MLB NL All-Star Game?

A) Tim Lincecum
B) Matt Cain
C) Johan Santana
D) Chad Billingsley
E) Josh Johnson
F) Someone else

"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum

by Timlincecum.com on Jun 30, 2009 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

F.

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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

you forgot about haren

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by Speedforthewin on Jun 30, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haren...

He’s got a 6-5 record, but a 2.25 ERA and 104 K’s…not sure if that’s enough to get the starter position, IMHO…

"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum

by Timlincecum.com on Jun 30, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Those are better numbers than any of those guys on that list (except Lincecum).

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by Natto on Jun 30, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the kind of people who pick the ASG starter care about winz, so it won’t be Haren.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 30, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You forget who picks the starter

The manager and coach are Torre and LaRussa. That means (unless they’ve pitched within 2 days of the ASG) the starter will almost certainly be Billingsley (Torre’s guy) or Carpenter (LaRussa’s guy). Besides, I thought that the current rotation has Timmeh pitching the Sunday before the ASG – in which case he wouldn’t even be considered as a starter.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 30, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

the manager is Charlie Manuel, he will be the one who makes the decision

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 30, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If the current rotation goes as planned, Lincecum goes this Saturday and Thursday, July 9 meaning if there was no All Star break and no day off on Monday his start would be July 14th, which happens to be the All Star day.

by SFGuy on Jun 30, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let’s just hope he doesn’t drink himself out of baseball again this year.

by S.F. Giangst on Jul 1, 2009 3:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who cares? PARTY AT WOODYS SHED!!!!

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by rotorueter on Jun 30, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I’M IN

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by Natto on Jun 30, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

MCC should rent the shed.

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by WalrusMan on Jun 30, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would totally chip in for that.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 30, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The key to Timmy is his father

a discreet bribe to Chris Lincecum could make Timmy a Giant for life.

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by Norm Median on Jun 30, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

make him a “consultant” or pay him to have more offspring.

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 30, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Make him organizational roving instructor for pitchers.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 30, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let him play second base.

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by lyricalkiller on Jul 1, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I prefer nostocks' idea of genetic-baed pay

Make him an organizational sperminator roving the countyside impregnating young maidens.

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by Goofus on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't give a fuck about $10 million dollar mistakes ...

If you’re retarded enough to give Zito $126M, then an extra $10M to the best pitcher in baseball shouldn’t be an issue.

LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.

by Lincecain on Jun 30, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Good point.

"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."

by Kitspool on Jun 30, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you’re retarded enough to give Zito $126M, then an extra $10M to the best pitcher in baseball shouldn’t be an issue

Wrap it up folks. Thread Over.

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by nvsfg on Jun 30, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

of course, owing all that money to Zito makes it more difficult to extend Timmy as well as Matt Cain.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 30, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just think of it as a 80 million dollar deal for Zito, and 46M went to Jason Schmidt and it isn’t as difficult to stomach.

by jctGamer on Jun 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

When does Bonds’ money come off the payroll?

by Merope on Jun 30, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

2013, I think but it isn’t much, only a couple million.

by SFGuy on Jun 30, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We almost always want our teams to sign players to shorter deals, even at higher rates, to avoid the disaster factor. But I’ve wondered for a while with Timmy where the breakeven point is, and whether there actually is a point where it’s smarter to sign him to an ultra-long contract at a somewhat reduced price. Midway through last year, I came to the conclusion that 18 years, $320 million would make sense. Charting Timmy’s future as best I could, I figured he was likely to earn $380-$420 million, assuming he doesn’t go Zito or become extremely injury prone. So we would get that discount (at significant more risk), and he would give up $100 million but in exchange for complete security. I don’t know how much the math has changed over the last 30 starts he’s made, but I still wonder whether there is a way for teams to find efficient long deals like this.

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by lyricalkiller on Jul 1, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

18 years...$320 MIL....

Throw in a lifetime supply of Nacho Cheese Doritos and Gatorade and Timmy’s there…

"It kind of gives everybody else out there who is not a big person the motivation and the inspiration that they know they can do it, too."--Tim Lincecum

by Timlincecum.com on Jul 1, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs