It just depends on the cost. I’d love to have V-Mart on this team.

Anybody they want but the Fantastic 4 of prospects

I’d even include AnVil in a trade for Victor Martinez, but I assume the Indians want pitching first and foremost.

I would trade Bengie for V-Mart straight up. I love Bengie but Mart is a stronger defensive catcher and much more disciplined at the plate. The day we field a team of 8 catchers is the day we win the West by 25 games. Viva La Backstop!!!!

However I still think we should go after Rios. On second thought, I’ll take both.

I think my all second basemen lineup was better than any all catcher lineup we could come up with. If you go far enough back you get Felix Rodriguez pitching, you get Pedro Feliz in there.
Martinez is pretty much the Face of that Franchise, and he plays positions where we await highly vaunted prospects. Pabilito too, since 3B is not guaranteed to be his permanent spot. I don’t see a trade happening.

Apropos of nothing in this thread, Keith Law tweeted today that in 2005, JP Ricciardi told all of his scouts to let it be known that Rios or Wells could be had “for a bag of balls.”

For the right price, he’d make a lot of sense for a number of reasons. He provides flexibility this year as noted above with his ability to play 1B and C. He can spell Benjie or Ishi.

After the season is over, there’d be less risk in Benjie actually accepting arbitration with Martinez on the roster. “Benjie, you really will be a backup on this team.”

Next year, he’d provides a viable C option if Buster is not ready to play at the MLB level. If Buster is ready, he could again form a 1B/C trio with Buster and Ishi.

Finally, his middle name is Jesus!

tht he was looking at someone like Ryan garko

But the deal would have to be centered on Tim Alderson, and I’m ok with that. Alderson profiles as a mid to bottom of the rotation type of starter. Nice pitcher to have around, but expendable.

Molina wont go anywhere, no one wants him or his salary, he is just fine until the end of the year. Martinez plays 1B and gives Molina a rest at catcher. Next year Martinez starts the year at catcher until Posey is ready and shifts to 1b when Posey is ready.

Sure, it might cost us Alderson, but we would have 2B locked up for a long time if we could get him. He’s a +10 hitter this year, and a positive defender. I think he also recently signed a 4 year deal with Toronto, which may make it more difficult to get him, but I think for the right package of prospects, he could be had.

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I’d agree with MickS. Shapiro honestly scares me as a trade partner, since Cleveland’s minor league evaluators are very, very good, and Shapiro has ripped off plenty of GMs who undervalue their own prospects. While I’m not in the Sabean hating crowd, he’s done that more than a few times. Sabes is best is dealing with salary dumps and incremental ads, not trading chips for All Stars.

Keep in mind too that Eric Wedge’s job is very much on the line, so that may play a role as Shapiro really does sound like he’s not particularly interested in firing him and getting him some help this year in the bullpen, which has been simply awful.

VMart would be the best of all worlds for the Giants. I wouldn’t give up Alderson for him, but AnVil yes, since after watching him in San Jose a few times I really think his future is as a DH someplace. He’s just not that interested in playing defense, but Cleveland had a guy like that before who turned out pretty well before they caught him trying to grow boobs in LA.

Valdez+Romo+AnVil+one of the AAA/AA starters would probably be fair. Cleveland would pick up two guys who are potentially lights out at the end of the pen even now (and a lot better than what they currently have) – plus someone with a ton of upsisde, along with someone to go long in the pen or possibly start. I’m probably the last Merkin lover still out there, but the best minor league game I ever saw was him versus Brian Bannister (who made Ortemier look rather dumb, although that wasn’t hard), and I think other teams have him more highly rated than many fans do.

What’d I really hope is that Sanchez in the pen goes lights out for the next month so you can sub him for Romo, since I really don’t want to lose Romo, but I suspect that’s what it’d take at a bare minimum – and it might take both Sanchez and Romo, which would hurt.

I suspect Shapiro will ask for the moon and sun here, though, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.

If you want a top talent like V Martinez then you are saying you are willing to break the glass on the Top 4 organization prospects. At least one of Bumgarner, Posey, Villalona or Alderson would be included in the deal. Along with a couple of more top talents.

The Indians have no reason to give him away for anything less than a HUGE bounty

Victor Martinez gooooooood.

Not going to happen. It never does

I like Victor a lot but I’m kind of meh on the idea of trading for him.

I’d try to package Scott Barnes, Sergio Romo, Thomas Neal & Henry Sosa or a package like that, so we can get VMart and not give up any of the big 4

the Giants have almost no good trade chips-Lewis, Winn & Sanchez have very almost no credibility and Brian Sabean isn’t going to part with Lincecum, Cain, Wilson or one of the big 4 so that makes it extremely difficult to be able to acquire VMart so if the Giants want to get him they’ll have to do a quantity over quality approach.

Why in the hell would we trade for a 30 year old catcher who was injured last year for most of the year? He’s a good hitter w/ decent power but c’mon. He’s definitely an upgrade over Molina but this isn’t the sort of player we want to be giving up talent for.

If we could do it for a couple of our 2nd/3rd tier OFs and give them Bengie then go for it. But any of our top guys..hell no!