Would you trade . . .?
by wcovington on Jun 3, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
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So many needs, so much dead weight. What to do?
Since last summer I keep coming back to this: Dan Uggla and Jeremy Hermidia for Jonathan Sanchez, Freddie Lewis, Edgar Renteria (not in last year's equation, I admit) plus paying the bulk of Renteria's 2009 salary [$9M], plus a lessor minor league prospect.
RATIONALE: The Marlins want to dump Uggla's contract (a mere $5.35M) and Hermedia ($2.25M) has never really panned out, but he has a fine arm in right field and can hit with some power. He is still maturing. Uggla will not be a great glove at 2B, but he moves Burriss to SS, where his light hitting is less painful and his stolen bases are still useful. Hermedia moves Randy to left and suddenly our outfield is very strong defensively. We get number 5 and 6 hitters. Uggla and Hermedia are not rent-a-players. We lose Edgar's 2010 salary.
The Marlins move Renteria to 2b in a town where he's had past success, at very little expense. Renteria's loss of range is less problematic at 2b, he and Ramirez make an excellent double-play combo, and Bonifacio gets to play every day at 3b. Renteria brings a veteran presence to a young team. Sanchez instantly improves the Marlins rotation or might eventually become their closer, at very little expense. Lots of upside for the Marlins. Freddie Lew gives them a solid hitter and speed in left which works towards their plan, again at very little cost.
Would you make this trade?
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While the Giants need bats they also need to strengthen their up the middle defense. Since the organizational cupboard is bare at SS and CF they will need to fill these positions either thru trade, FA or position trades.
Would love to see SF and Texas wing a deal with Elvis Andrus coming to the CIty. Possibly with one of their fine catchers, This way the Giants could convert Gerald Posey to an everyday position player either as a 2b or CF.
by wilriv21 on Jun 3, 2009 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t the Rangers just move Michael Young (former Gold Glover) off short to make room for Andrus? I think Texas is pretty committed to him, so I don’t think they’ll be dealing him anytime soon.
As for the Marlins deal — I’m not sure Hermida can be had so easily. Injuries have hampered his development as much as anything else, and I don’t think he’s yet reached the point where the Marlins are going to give up on him entirely, especially since they don’t have a lot knocking on the door. I don’t anticipate Renteria is going to be very attractive to anyone, even if we paid his salary for the rest of 2009. If the Marlins are trying to move Uggla before they have to pay him $7 or $8 million in arbitration, I really don’t think they’re going to want to pay $9 million to Renteria next year. And I’m not even sure they’d want Lewis — even if you consider him as still having a lot of ceiling left to reach (which is debatable), he’s old enough to temper fhat ceiling somewhat. Given that Sanchez is also a project, I think they would want something that was a bit more can’t-miss than this deal offers.
by Rick Parker (Lewis) Can't Lose on Jun 3, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andrus would cost a hefty package (heh)
More then we would be willing to give
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by CB30 on Jun 3, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you kidding now??? It's "more THAN we would be willing to give."
Now you’re just taunting me. Arrrgh.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 3, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Giant among Angels on Jun 3, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do it on purpose now, its worth it
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by CB30 on Jun 3, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he’s saying that if they gave more, then we would be willing to give. He just fogot the comma.
Andrus may be a hefty package, but CB30 clearly doesn’t believe he is hefty enough.
Also, I know somebody else made this same joke just a couple of days ago, but they can suck it. I’m not beneath recycling material.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will not suck it
You stole my joke and I demand royalties.
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by groug on Jun 3, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SUCK IT, RUSSEL GROUGIN!
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by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2009 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, this is like the perfect crime. I mean, I can’t steal anything from you because you never say anything insightful or funny. I have no recourse for retribution unless you were to make a post of some quality, which I just can’t see happening.
Looks like you got away with it. Kudos.
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by groug on Jun 4, 2009 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty much been the plan all along.
Looks like my work is done here.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2009 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royal Ties?
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by thehavenot on Jun 4, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Texas as a swing partner
Seems unlikely that Texas would even consider trading Andrus at this point. And if you’re talking about Saltalacchia or Teagarden, it becomes even less likely unless . . . you are talking about Matt Cain and another top pitching prospect, and I don’t like those kind of conversations. More likely, IF I were to talk trade with Texas (and remember their offensive stats are skewed), I’d be asking about Chris Davis. PS – Don’t think Buster can play either 2B or CF.
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by wcovington on Jun 3, 2009 6:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why would Posey not be able to play either 2b or CF?
by wilriv21 on Jun 3, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, for example, Zorak plays ’em both.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 3, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve only seen a little of him in action, but he’s kinda big in the lower body. Most CFs are a little more thoroughbred-like in build.
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by Goofus on Jun 4, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by wilriv21 on Jun 5, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SaltalaMAcchia
but I’d think Engel Beltre and Chris Davis would be the smartest targets for us. But why would we want any of their catchers?
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by boonitez on Jun 3, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because want to relieve Gerald Posey to play another position. Both SS and CF are deemed more important defensive positions and believe Posey could possibly handle SS and can definitely handle CF.
The current inhouse catching prospects are limited so another catching prospect would be needed. The Rangers have a 3 or 4 catching prospects and may be inclined to deal.
by wilriv21 on Jun 3, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn’t have the speed for center nor do we know he still has the lateral quickness for short. i could see second as a possibility.
by zeisenbe on Jun 3, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the Rangers having any reason to deal with us right now. I actually live in Dallas and although I don’t care much about the Rangers, I often think about trades we might make with them. Their farm system has really improved greatly in the past few years, and I don’t think there’s any way they’ll trade Andrus (what’s in it for them?).
What the Rangers need more than anything is a front-line starter, not a Sanchez type. The general impression around here is that the pitching has overarchieved so far this season and the offense has (amazingly) underachieved. I think that’s pretty fair. The bottom of the rotation (Feldman, McCarthy, now Holland) has performed better than expected, but if they’re going to keep on top of the division they actually need something better than Millwood to front them in the playoffs. I don’t think they’ll take anything less than Cain, to be honest, and I’m not sure what we’d get out of them for that.
The disappointment in the Rangers offense is mainly due to Hamilton being hurt and Davis striking out so much. I actually don’t think that Chris Davis is the answer the Giants really need.
by Duelling Brandos on Jun 4, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You!
Chris Davis is definitely NOT the answer. Chris Davis is the question, and NO is the answer.
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by Lyle on Jun 4, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
You don’t like the fact that he’s struck out eighty times in fifty-one games or that he’s got a .250 OBP?
He is a legitimate talent though. I’d love to see Kingman 2.0 in AT&T.
by biff pocoroba on Jun 5, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida’s not an improvement on Fred Lewis — in fact he’s probably quite a bit worse.
Short term, trading Sanchez for Uggla would help, but if we’re going for it this year, we don’t want to give up Renteria.
Long term, I’d rather have Sanchez than Uggla.
by Evan on Jun 3, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hermida’s not an improvement on Fred Lewis
On this I cannot agree. Freddie will never hit for power. Freddie strikes out too much. Freddie cannot play the outfield. Freddie’s arm is erratic. Hermidia is better in every aspect of his game.
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by wcovington on Jun 4, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
Career to date: Hermida .338 woBA, Lewis .350. Advantage: Lewis
Hermida: -10.5 UZR/150, Lewis +4.3. Advantage: Lewis
WAR: Lewis 3.8, Hermida 2.5 AND Hermida has an extra year in the ML.
Advantage: Lewis.
Seems like Lewis is a better player in ALL aspects of the game. Wierd…
by FairweatherFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hermida and Lewis basically have the same strikeout rate.
Hermida has all the range of Edgardo Alfonzo after a twenty pancake breakfast.
Hermida probably has more power though.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 4, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d much rather have Hermida, although I don’t view him as a star or anything.
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by Lyle on Jun 5, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Maybe, but im not excited about it.
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by CB30 on Jun 3, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would do it…But I have always been a skeptic and believe that Sanchez and Lewis will not ever improve over where they are now. After the numbers that Dan Uggla has put up the last few years, I see him recovering and having a solid career. As for Hermida, maybe we could flip him as a piece in another deal that brings us a real hitter/left fielder
by m34josh on Jun 3, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why the heck do we not want Posey playing catcher? That makes no kind of sense to me…
I also don’t really understand why someone would try to trade FOR Uggla when the guy is a free agent after this season? Couldn’t we just target him in the offseason, or am I missing something (restricted?)
by zuma420 on Jun 3, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Believe Uggla only had 3 years of ML service at the beginning of the 2009 season so he would not be a free agent until after the 2011 season.
by wilriv21 on Jun 3, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Arbitration is the way he’ll be gettin his raise
by m34josh on Jun 3, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think putting Posey at 1st base would help his offensive production a ton. How many catchers do you see batting cleanup? McCann, V-Mart ( who mostly plays first now), sometimes Mauer. I think I would rather see Sandoval or someone else catching, and Posey fill in our hole at first. I realize Anvil will probably be around by then too, but Id be down to trade him.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 3, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with moving Posey, but I wouldn’t put him at 1B when he’s capable of more. How about 3B, or 2B, or SS, or CF, or LF?
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by Lyle on Jun 4, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep him fresh
Have him play an inning at every position like he did in college.
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by Goofus on Jun 4, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
question: why are you so high on posey’s ability to play all those crazy positions?
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by GameSix on Jun 4, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he did it once in a college game!
by xanthan on Jun 4, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah..i wanna join the Posey Can Play Anywhere pants party, but i need a legit invite
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by GameSix on Jun 4, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GameSix
The Grand Order of the Ancient Society of Posey Can Play Anywhere cordially invites you to an informational gathering of prospective members on Saturday, the 27th of June, at six o’clock in the evening, at Municipal Stadium in San Jose. In case of rain, the event will be moved to WilRiv’s house.
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by Lyle on Jun 5, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a pretty legit invite, i’m in!
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by GameSix on Jun 6, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have it backwards
There are few great hitting catchers because there are few catchers. Although moving him off catcher would get him into more games/season, and possibly give him a longer career (in the free agency era I would not worry about the latter at all).
Also, his value at catcher is much higher because (despite GIANTZ BRASS incompetance) it’s easy to pick up a decent hitting 1B – i.,e the replacment level bat there is much higher.
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by zenbitz on Jun 4, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posey's gonna hit cleanup?
I always figured that would be Panda’s role…
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by cloudydays on Jun 4, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You knpow what I mean
maybe not cleanup, but probably 3,4 or 5. I would really like to see him play somewhere other than Catcher if hes going to ber our centerpieice
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 4, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Panda was the guy that hits from the on deck circle.
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by zenbitz on Jun 4, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would not make trade. Uggla not a good fielder, can hit though, not so much for average. We have a not so good fielder in triple A, who can hit. Got to give some of the giants minor league talent a legit chance.
by bradleybear on Jun 3, 2009 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“Uggla not a good fielder”
I keep seeing the stats that he’s an average fielder.
So.. While he may not be a good fielder, he’s not a bad one either.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jun 3, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/commits 15 errors in all star game
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 4, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting that Frandsen can put up Uggla numbers?
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by TexasRanger on Jun 3, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Si se puede
/drinks another shot of Frandsenberry Kool-Aid
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by natteringnabob on Jun 4, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was talking about Guzman
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by Goofus on Jun 4, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said not so good not completely incompetant, so I’m pretty sure he meant Frandsen
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by TexasRanger on Jun 4, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you suggesting
No way Frandsen puts up Uggla numbers and, as Amor sez, Uggla may not be Robbie Thompson but also is not Ray Durham.
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by wcovington on Jun 4, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Straight up, Frandsen for Uggla
Marlin’s are looking to dump salary, and if Frandsen gets a real chance he will be good.
by bradleybear on Jun 3, 2009 9:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thats not happening, Florida could do better than that….plus wouldn’t they want Coghlan and Bonifacio in the lineup? I don’t think they would be looking for middle IF in return.
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by sam23 on Jun 3, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can
con them the way the Braves conned the Pirates.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jun 3, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats pretty ridiculous
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by CB30 on Jun 3, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see it now.
Beinfest: Guys, guys, Brian Sabean just offered us Kevin Freaking Frandsen for shitty old Dan Uggla. Did you know that Uggla had a bad all-star game, Frandsen hasn’t, and probably never will. Also Uggla hits a lot of home runs, rally killers, let get rid of those too.
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by TexasRanger on Jun 3, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Texas Ranger
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by wcovington on Jun 4, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are drinking Kool Aid
Nuff said.
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You are drinking Kool Aid
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by wcovington on Jun 4, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would consider it.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 3, 2009 9:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayor, it's been too long
Hope to see you soon — time for a game together (with Dan Uggla at second).
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by wcovington on Jun 4, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the Subject of Trading
The Braves acquired Nate McClouth from the Pirates today for 3 minor leaguers. CF Gorkys Hernandez, RHP Charlie Morton and LHP Jeff Locke
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Would you trade him for a fox?
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by Natto on Jun 3, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would not in a box
I could not for a fox
I don’t like desperate trades to bring us a few games over .500 when the Dodgers are running away with the division.
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by nvsfg on Jun 4, 2009 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you trade?
Uggla has stone hands for sure. But the bat speed is incredible. Marlins supposedly turned down Sanchez for him so it would take a lot more to get him, something like Sanchez and Henry Sosa. I don’t know if I’d do that, especially with Sosa’s start tonight. But I’d think it’ll take something close to that.
Pair this though with a trade for Nick Johnson, maybe for like Merkin Valdez and we might actually have a lineup:
CF Aaron Rowand
LF Fred Lewis (L)
1B Nick Johnson (L)
3B Pablo Sandoval (S)
2B Dan Uggla
RF Randy Winn (S)
C Benji Molina
2B Emmanuel Burriss (S)
Rotation:
Lincecum
Johnson (L)
Cain
Zito (L)
Pucetas
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by tellusfrank on Jun 4, 2009 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oops, I guess I thought Uggla’s defense was so bad, we needed a second second baseman. I meant Rent in the 8th hole at short. Althought I wouldn’t mind seeing Burriss there.
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by tellusfrank on Jun 4, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's all fine
until Johnson goes on the 60 day DL with an untied shoelace.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 4, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woud you trade?
I guess I’m not as enthusiastic about Nick Johnson as every body else. Here’s a guy who hits for average and middling power (when we need substantial power) and he only does so when he’s not on the DL, which is where he mostly resides.
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by wcovington on Jun 4, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Johnson gives us what we most desperately need, even more than power is obp. Our lack of on base skills kills us constantly, and Johnson would certaintly help that quite a bit.
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by TexasRanger on Jun 4, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally forgot we had Sosa
Lincy, MadBum, Cain, #6, Sanchez, Zito, Sosa omgomg at potential future depth
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 4, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always ignored
all these Uggla rumors, until I looked at his stats and saw… OMG dingerz!
It’s nice to see Florida has spare parts that can instantly step into SF’s lineup and bat cleanup.
I’d think Burriss could mix in once a week at 2B, a couple of times at SS, and as a defensive replacement and get enough ABs to stay sharp.
And I wouldn’t mess with Hermida- just stick to Uggla for whoever, maybe with a minor leaguer or two for Sanchez. I’m not seeing why Fla wants Renteria, but that would be fine with me too. Burriss can still bat 8, and Uggla can fill in the 4 spot until a real cleanup hitter can be found.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 4, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uggla question
Is Uggla really all that?
sure the dingerz are nice, but his career OPS on the road is just a tad over .800. Would he really add enough to make up for the loss of Sanchez, who I think we’re gonna need next year since Johnson is probably gone.
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by Goofus on Jun 4, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Simple Math
5-Johnson-Dirty+MadBum+T2=UPGRADZ
JK, I know MadBum and T2 won’t be up until later in the year. But I think you have to look at an Uggla trade as a long term thing, Uggla is decent, a super star on this team, he will be around for ~3 years and give us 2 draft picks, b/c A/B free agency is heavily O weighted ( I believe)
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by say hey nation on Jun 4, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a super star on this team
Not sure if you’re saying he’s a star anywhere else, but a SUPERstar on this Giants team… But if that’s what you’re saying, I don’t think crappy talent surrounding you really elevates you to superstar status.
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by JRPhillips on Jun 4, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
if he came in here and started hitting balls over the fence I think Ginats fans would be very, very happy very quickly. Cf. Jack Cust.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla
Looks like his floor issomewhere between a 2 and 3 win player @ 2nd base, with the potential for a lot more.
Given the dearth of talent at the position, that is a pretty large upgrade for the giants.
I’m not sure if he is worth Sanchez, but that depends a lot on when we think Madbum/Alderson will be ready. If you think one of those two guys will be ready to pitch at some point next year (strategically called up late enough to delay service clock) then I think this is a deal the giants would really have to think about.
Of course, the Marlins reportedly rejected Sanchez for Uggla strait up. GIven that Sanchez was a 2.8 win player last year and is on track to be about a 2 win player this year, that is somewhat reasonable. Perhaps package Burris or Frandsen in the deal ?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 4, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uggla
As Giants fans I think we all rate Sanchez higher than we should. Sure, there is upside (#2 starter?) and THAT is what we are selling, plus his potential to close, if he can ever get his mechanics and head on straight. A bat of Uggla’s magnitude does not come round every day — especially in the middle infield. He is young and would be our #5 hitter for years to come. I hope the Marlins continue to struggle because we know they want to dump his salary (afraid of arbitration result). I think we look for ways to make this happen.
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by wcovington on Jun 4, 2009 11:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Uggla = two All-Star seasons out of three. A bat, which the Giants desperately need. Sanchez = so inconsistent, he may never even make it through a whole season in the rotation
by m34josh on Jun 4, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who gives a crap about All star appearances?
Sanchez was worth 2.8 WAR last year… That is extremely valuable.
Uggla had a huge year last year and was worth something like 4.7 WAR, but he’s more likely to be worth about 3 this year.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 4, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is still worth more than Sanchez will be this year.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 4, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is still more than Sanchez will be this year, or any other year in his career thus far, and maybe more than he will ever be worth. Guy has never put it together for more than a couple months in a row, much less an entire season
by m34josh on Jun 4, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Uggla would be a fantastic addition to our team, it looks as if walk % has risen and his K% has fallen so far this year, he is just getting hurt by a .232 babip, he is still hitting home runs at a good rate. The Hermida point I dont agree because as some have already pointed out, Freddie is better, but I think Uggla would be worth Sanchez+
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by TexasRanger on Jun 4, 2009 3:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sure
but Sanchez would be a big subtraction.
And last I checked, they are not giving out free Uggla’s in the crackerjacks box.
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by zenbitz on Jun 5, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok but yes Sanchez would be a big subtraction but with our pitching depth in the minors, I see this as a move to the future. Middle order bats are still not something we have a lot of. Now Uggla is an excellent piece to have in your lineup now and for the future he brings some patience and power which we are sorely lacking. This trade, to me, would be about getting some bats for the mystical 2010 season. Besides we can weather Sanchez leaving, we have Bumgarner, Alderson, Sosa in the minors to replace him eventually (not this year though)
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by TexasRanger on Jun 5, 2009 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Move to what "Future" ?
There are a lot of reasons to be interested in Uglla but "The Future" is not one of them. He will be 30 year old second base man with only 1 year of team control after 2010. So are you planning to move his position or sign a long term contract for a dubious glove middle infielder in his 30’s? The latter looks a heck of a lot like our past and not our future to me.
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by daveinexile on Jun 8, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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