Post-Game Recap: Tim Lincecum is Good
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 7:36 PM PDT
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PrintIs there anything better than watching Tim Lincecum pitch to Albert Pujols? Yes. Tim Lincecum pitching to Albert Pujols with a nine-run lead in the seventh inning, sitting at, like, 20 pitches for the game. Hit it a mile, Pujols. In blowout-mode, I'll just enjoy the show.
And am I allowed to be righteous about an opposing superstar watching a non-homer? What's the statute of limitations on that? *checks with arbitration panel* Oh, never? I can never get indignant about that again?
Yeah, that's about right.
Also of note: Tim Lincecum pitching the best game of his career. On a warm summer night, 25 years ago, Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez shared a bottle of chablis, a room at a Best Western, and a secret that survived until tonight. A complete game two-hitter in less than 100 pitches? Good gravy. What a gem.
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At best?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 29, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
MORE LIKE NL WORST
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
We'll get there someday.
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
Half a chub is half of a real possibility here.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 29, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this kid is going to end up being a pretty good pitcher.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 29, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions
On a warm summer night, 25 years ago, Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez shared a bottle of chablis, a room at a Best Western, and a secret that survived until tonight.
Creepy, yet hilarious. Goofusesque might be the right adjective.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
Wow-- THANK you. I didn't know that. That's great to know. Gracias.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 29, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU WIN THIS ROUND XANTHAN
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun Fact
Pablo Sandoval is only 7 months older than Buster Posey.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
Fun Fact
Pablo Sandoval is 5 days older than my sister.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Walrus Man would consider that a cougar.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably from WalrusMan’s numerous trips to Pitcairn Island.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I have no idea. But it annoys him, and that’s all I need to know.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
that's disgusting.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I guess
I can already see your balls, so it can’t get much worse.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Boy with Balls on chin
/Insert picture of Butters with prosthetic balls on chin
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This makes me lol and lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
good point
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
lol Walrusman is a pedophile
meme compleat
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The case against him is public record. It’s a miracle he was acquitted.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 29, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Bone Hard Medical Fact
Pablo Sandoval is fucking awesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
This is just amazing
I ran home to catch the last two innings. Can I say again how glad I am he’s a Giant?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Andres Torres? Me too!
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jun 29, 2009 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Gravy is good
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions
Mmmmmm...
Gravy…
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
The grass is always greener on the other side, unless Tim Lincecum has been there. In that case the grass is most likely soaked in blood and tears.
No one here gets out alive.
Tim Lincecum doesn't always drink beer;
But when he does…
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
stay thirsty, my friend
Krazy Krab despised in the 20th century and beloved in the 21st century. Hey it only took over 20 years, so don't give up hope.
He once got into a base-loaded situation, just to see how it feels.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I think Balco makes it. Devine!
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
They are out there, just gotta look
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t like every store have these?
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jun 29, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
no, sometimes you can find them at Blockbuster
they also have them in the snack bar at the Exploratorium
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 29, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The Exploratorium again shows me why it’s possibly the greatest place on earth.
by Classy_Argonaut on Jun 29, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You unbelievably huge douche.
Now I’m going to want Choco Tacos all damn night.
Proud adoptive parent of Billy "Duke" Neukom. He's got balls of steel.
by Gabafnerhagen on Jun 29, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Good thing we have sites like BtB to tell all us, the unwashed masses, about how the Giants are actually worse than the Nats.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
oh christ
this annoys me. You think BTB has some kind of built-in bias? They’re looking at the data, and it suggests the Giants have been very lucky. Pretending otherwise is idiotic.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I think it’s run by people who don’t even watch the game. Everything is stats, stats and more stats.
you really can't be one of the flat-earthers, can you?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
To rank the Giants so low, they don’t watch the game and judge everything based on stats. You have to watch it.
So, you weren’t joking? Or is this epic level sarcasm?
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I’m not joking. To judge everything based 100& on stats is wrong. These people don’t watch the games.
Of course they do
That’s the stupidest thing you could possibly say. Congrats.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Look, the point of the project is as such:
Take every team in major league baseball. Pretend they’re in one division. Use their component stats and a league adjustment to determine how many runs they would score and allow if they were in one big division. That gives you your power rankings.
Is it a flawless methodology? I don’t think so. Is it gospel? No. Is it interesting? Sure. And as happy as I am with the Giants this year, there’s no question they’ve played over their heads in terms of W-L (I don’t think they’ve done so quite as drastically as the BTB Power Rankings say, but you know.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Well, yeah, based purely on W-L record, that’s a pretty fair place to put them. BTB is trying to go beyond that and look at how teams would do hypothetically, in an even playing field.
Like I said: is it perfect? I don’t think so. But they don’t have a vendetta against us or anything.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
well any team
who has a very good starting rotation and excellent bullpen play is going to win games…
She Hate Me
Here's a thought exercise
Do you think people who spend so much time talking about baseball that they write about it for multiple sites WOULDN’T watch games? If they just wanted to play with numbers, they wouldn’t need the game of baseball to do that.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I love McCC, but I’ve never seen so many people ready to overreact to a simple, inoffensive comment. Geez, relax a bit
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 30, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If you think it’s inoffensive, you missed it. The not watching games comment is old and tired and really fucking condescending.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I’m sure Sky Kalkman watches games (I think he’s a Reds fan?) But you’re misinterpreting the point of the thing they’re doing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
/watches 18 GB of porn on Sky Kalkman in one lonely night
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
While I don’t deny the usefulness of statistical analysis, your attitude of infallibility makes me want to join the flat earth society.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 29, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 30, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think what it suggests
Is that any model becomes questionable at the extremes. The Nationals are so epically bad that I think their performance is operating in the nonsensical edge of the model.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I just kind of like saying “WORST TEAM IN BASEBALL IMO”, I understand their methodology and I accept it.
I also think it’d be more useful to take the actual performance into account a bit though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Looking forward, you absolutely do. Our wins are banked, regardless of how we got them. No backsies.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Yeah, exactly
I get what the point of the project is (to put all the teams into one big pot and decide how good they are based on component stats), but I just don’t know how useful it really is if you completely what actually happened. The projected standings are far better in that regard.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I don’t know that their method is the best method out there, I have no clue what is, but I don’t think it’s without merit. It’s certainly not gospel though.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Problem is that 90% of the people criticizing it never actually bothered to find out what the method is.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
It’s true. At this point though, as the Giants keep playing well, it’s just fun to say “Worst team in baseball imo” after every win. YMMV.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I haven't really looked at their methodology
So I can’t comment one way or the other, but I generally tend to trust math.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I tend to trust math too, but it was like two weeks ago when the Nationals were supposed to be better than the Giants. That absolutely killed any credibility those rankings were supposed to have, because there’s no way it was true.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Well, like I said
I would suspect that the epic fail of the nationals bullpen broke their model. All of these linear projection type things depend on results lingering around the mean.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants are Nats are like bizzaro opposites. One team with great hitting but league worst pitching. The other with great pitching but league worst hitting.
Together
THEY WOULD RULE THE WORLD
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It's not like anyone would notice if we just absorbed the Nats...
Yoink!
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
I think they did, at the time. They’ve gotten worse since then.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
team OPS+ is down to 98
not that that really matters w/ the way BTB is doing their thang.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yeah, they were doing better a month or so ago when I last checked. Still, a near average offense is pretty good.
Giants’ pitching + average offense = teh sex
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I haven't looked up the stats
but I bet they have a really shitty defense too, especially in the OF
For the record, I got that you were at least partially joking about it. I think some people bandwagoned on that not realizing.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Honestly, I'm not that interested
I’m sure there’s a basis for what they’re doing, but I’m not sure why making fun of the fact that their system wasn’t terribly predictive with respect to the Giants is bad. I mean, I give regular experts crap when they make bad predictions; I’m not down with people who hold themselves out as experts + numbers hiding behind the model. If the model gets you crappy results, then the model has problems. I do not think it should be off limits to tease when the model fails, and I think it’s a copout for the designer to just say “the model predicts what the model predicts.” if it does not desribe my reality in some useful way, then I don’t have much use for it.
All that being said, of course statistical analysis is good for baseball. I’m just going to call out those foolios if they design a system that wrongly calls my team the worst.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
See
I don’t know if they’re necessarily trying to say it’s predictive. It seems like more of an attempt to put all the teams on the same playing field (aka out of their divisions) and see what would, hypothetically, happen.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
See, here's my issue
This is impossible. How do you use stats (any stats, even component stats) that are happening in reality to show what would happen in some hypothetical even playing field? The component stats weren’t made on this even playing field.
I’m probably just missing something, here. But that’s what I think at this current juncture in time.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
I would tend to agree, but I still think it’s a valiant, if somewhat flawed, effort.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The Beyond the Box Score power rankings are my Baseball Boogie. I have never looked at them and never will.
high five
I still haven’t watched the Baseball Boogie either.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
How could you miss out on this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nXl93ji30M
Judgment Day is coming
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I WILL NOT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
/kidnaps jponry, ties her to a chair, tapes her eyes open and puts on Baseball Boogie.
…this is kind of creepy.
But I’ma keep it!
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
I'm not sure I see a meaningful difference
Their model declares the Giants worse than the Nats. That’s clearly wrong. What’s the point if it doesn’t yield something useful?
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
That’s not true anymore.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Well, they are saying it’s kind of predictive, as they put out Predicted Standings as well.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
Yeah, but those at least take into account the actual W-L record so far this year, as far as I can tell.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
yeah, but then they make predictions based off of the evaluation system. It’s mixed signal to say the least.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
I’m not sure why making fun of the fact that their system wasn’t terribly predictive with respect to the Giants is bad
The system was never meant to predict anything. Anyone who actually bothered to read what they wrote would know that.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
What's the point of a model that doesn't predict?
Even if the prediction is with respect to a hypothetical (eg, one big league)?
What’s the point of baseball rankings that don’t actually rank?
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
To see who the “actual” best teams in baseball are, hypothetically, without the oddities that unbalanced schedules produce.
It doesn’t mean anything IRL but it’s for fun.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Totally
I see that. My point is that a ranking system that would place the Giants below the Nats when it did has some flaws, even if it’s saying what would happen under hypothetical conditions.
Seriously though, I’m glad my snark generated some discussion, but I don’t mean to overblow the point. One bad result does not a horrible model make! I’m sure what they do has value.
BUT THEY CALLED MY TEAM THE WORST!
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
There are so many adjustments, it seems like each tweak futzes the outcome by 5%….
“Okay, we’ll start with the basic idea that every NL team is 500% worse than AL teams. Good? Okay, let’s move on…”
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing is
The league differential is at least 5 wins, and maybe 10. We can pretend its not, but all the evidence we have suggests this is the case. Toronto is one of the best teams in baseball, but players in the most brutal division around.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Right, except the Giants smoked the interleague series.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
cmon man, there's basic sample size issues
The AL has over the last 2-3 years performed at a pretty good clip; I think its something like a .580 win pct (I’m pulling this from memory). That’s significant and a large enough sample.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I know dude, I'm on your side
Remember ?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I don’t know. Also DH would obviously help the other league, so if you are just using Run Differential…
=/
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
why?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
It's been argued
That because AL teams carry a DH, they have the advantage in AL home games. Makes some sense as NL teams don’t have guys like Ortiz just sitting around on the bench.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
But
Most AL Teams don’t have someone like David Ortiz DHing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
right
but Most NL teams have the 4th OF DH’ing
It would be interesting to look at it, altho I think it’s been done.
Average wOBA of AL DH vs Average wOBA of player used as DH on NL teams during interleague
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
okay, but they lose that in NL games
where a key offensive component may sit, and NL pitchers have more experience hitting. Evens out in my mind, though I haven’t seen any data.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Yeah, I understand
But i’ve seen it argued before. Should be pretty easy to prove.
As far as the record – interleague schedule is governened more by geographic location than anything else – highly possible the strength of schedule favors the AL.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the teams don’t play every team in the other league. The schedules of the involved teams are NOT equal. Therefore, it is possible, though highly improbable, that for an extended period of time the AL teams consistently play inferior opponents due to essentially random chance. This would of course be created by the cited league difference of 5-10 wins.
Not saying it’s true. Just saying it’s possible because the schedules aren’t actually equal.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
It’s not in any way possible. While individual teams could, and probably do get screwed, overall all the teams in the AL play and all the teams in the NL play, making it impossible that the AL plays “inferior opponents” – unless NL teams, in general, are inferior opponents.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
The problem is that you cannot say that each team in the NL, for example, plays an equal interleague schedule. They don’t. The schedules are not equal and match-up inequity can occur. For instance, the Giants play the A’s twice every year. No other team in the NL does. Therefore, it is possible, even on a league-wide basis, that the best NL teams generally play the best AL teams (which is the inherently better league at the moment) and the worst NL teams play the worst AL teams. It could happen. It is just highly, almost impossibly, improbable.
However, I think it is more likely that the talent-level in the AL is just higher.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
The problem is that you cannot say that each team in the NL, for example, plays an equal interleague schedule.
That doesn’t matter. I’m not saying that every single team gets a fair schedule. We’re not talking about an individual team, we’re talking about the entire league. You can make up whatever schedule you want – as long as all the teams play, it will not, in any way, affect the overall win probability of each league.
Think about it – it always balances out.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
Perhaps I am thinking about this wrong
But the distribution is not equal. The Giants play 6g V. the A’s. The Yankee’s play 6 V. the Mets, etc. based on geographical location.
If you had the better teams from the AL playing a disproportionate # of games v. the worse teams from the NL, it would be possible. Because the teams don’t all play each other the same # of times, this might be possible.
Look at it this way – assume 2 15 team leagues. Take the best 5 teams in the AL and schedule them for 6 games each w/ the worst 5 teams in the NL.
Then you take the best 5 teams in the NL and schedule them for the next 5 best teams in the AL.
Then take the remaining worst 5 AL teams and play them against the middling 5 teams in the NL.
So, for simplicities sake, let’s say the best teams automatically win vs. the worst teams, the best teams are twice as good as the middling teams, and the middling teams are twice as good as the worst teams.
So, AL best V. NL Worst
AL up 30-0.
Now let’s say that middling teams v. best teams go 2-4.
AL middling V. NL Best
NL wins 20-10
AL up 40-20
Now lets say that AL worst v. NL middling goes the other way for NL,
NL Wins 20-10
Overall Record: 50-40 in favor of the AL.
If, however, the teams simply played Best v. Best and Worst v. Worst and split each series because of equal talent, they would be an even 60-60.
What it really depends on is how much better the best teams are than the second best, and the worst – etc.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2009 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Some AL pitchers can hit if they need to as well...
any advantage gained by a bunt here or there is easily mitigated by having your DH come out in the most critical situation.
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
I believe the argument is that the difference in production between AL and NL pitchers is much less than the difference between the DH and the best sub on a National League team.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 29, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
NL teams can't afford to field an extra slugger who doesn't have to play defense!
Not only that, you are replacing the pitcher with a slugger who doesn’t have to hit. And even then if you don’t have a dedicated DH, you rotate the DH around to get people more rest to make sure they can hit in more games.
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
Its use would be in gauging the most likely talent level of the big club medium & long term (over more than 1 season). It is kind of the other end of the spectrum to ride the hot hand all the time. Both have their uses.
/ waits for teh stats crowd to point out the erros in my ways here.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
STOP WATCHES
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
“You are what your record says you are.”
-Bill Parcells
by thethrillisgone on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim Lincecum is God
It’s just metaphyics
by Viva Jon Miller on Jun 29, 2009 7:43 PM PDT reply actions
Imagine if the Rockies had taken Tim, we would all hate him because he would have 2 no-hitters against us.
The Rockies decided too, to take another Pac-10 guy before Timmy but one who's tall and big league ready...
LOL
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 29, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Crying tears of blood
Thinking about that horrible hypothetical. You are paying for my therapy.
by Viva Jon Miller on Jun 29, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure that not only would Timmy no hit us, we’d owe hits the next game he faced us
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Timmy was badass when they called him Kelly on Bad News Bears. He’s even more bad asser now.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
Timmy is pretty good I guess. I remain unimpressed
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jun 29, 2009 7:45 PM PDT reply actions
I'm going to get a Choco Taco...
In honor of Lincecum.
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
The wrap, omg.
Krukow: something about killing a six pack while talking about Tim.
Flemm: Let’s do it!
Jon Miller dies laughing.
I love these guys.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions
Seriously
I live in DC, and I had to watch the local broadcasts of the Nats-Giants games. They have Rob Dibble….Rob. Dibble. Shudder.
Thank Lincecum that we get to listen to Jon and Flem and Kruk and Kuip.
by Viva Jon Miller on Jun 29, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He was NASTY
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
So that is were Dibble went. I had hoped thought the EPA had rounded him up in the intrest of public safety.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
Although it was fun
Hearing them repeatedly bash their own team. No sugar coating either, especially Dibble
by Viva Jon Miller on Jun 29, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I need to go buy a cheap radio to listen to the post game show on, my boom box that I used to use mysteriously disappeared while I was gone. :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
me too
I’d rather listen to that than Bip Roberts being…. Bip Roberts.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Everything you have is slowly disappearing. I think it’s related to your refusal to watch Baseball Boogie.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
lol
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
WE NEEDZ TRADEZ FOR NOMAR TO REPLACE ISHI!!!
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
Not this
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if Rags is even allowed to look Timmy in the eye. Eh, probably not.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Tim LIncecum lives in San Francisco.
No one here gets out alive.
I heard Timmy counted to infinity between innings
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
"...even the prepositions."
He can speak Russian… in French.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 29, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
AND HE SAVES FOXEZ
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 29, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He only does the to mess with the straights hounds.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
I seem to be pulling xanthan but with out content…
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
I at least need a Rickard joke, bad pun or something. Quickly.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
Since when has Xanthan had content?
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jun 30, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you read his Uribe posts?
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
brb gotta get my flamethrower
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Its baseball. Troy Aikman got a concussion a week for years. Maybe they’ll wise up and move him to SS
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He was hit in the head by a pitch when he was hitting.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Who the fuck does that in the minor leagues?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Sandoval would get hit in the head by a ball he was swinging at
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
it was a curve ball
but still, BASEBALLS ARE HARD!
They really should ban that pitcher forever and no I don’t think I’m overreacting.
sarchasm?
If not, really?
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
nah, i was just kidding
still really douchey to hit a guy in the head
It happens
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Was this intentional? Cause it seems to me that plenty of guys in the minors would have spotty enough control to accidentally hit a guy in the head
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
from what I heard
they threw at his head twice but I could be wrong about that
From the video I saw and what I heard, it was a curveball and Posey sort of ducked into it trying to get out of the way.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Not in the Minors, but CHI-A’s Ramirez got drilled in the noggin tonight
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It looked like a curveball that just got away, but still. Apparently the pitcher threw over Posey’s head once as well.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
From the ESPN recap
The Giants have homered in five straight games, totaling eight. … The Giants haven’t committed an error in a season-high nine games.
Wow, power and defense? Did today actually happen?
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
He actually says “bienvenidos, puta”
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 29, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
//shakes fist
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jun 29, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
No coincidence we’ve played in only road games.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
Ishi’s home/road split may finally be normalizing.
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
Good point..
At one point he was hitting 330 at home and 060 on the road
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
10 x more annoying that physically possible
That’s pretty annoying.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun Timmy Numbers:
http://www.bb-ref.com/play-index/shareit/2GUG
Tim Lincecum has the best start by a pitcher in the history of the Giants franchise (not including dead ball era). Sal Maglie right behind…any old timers out there think that Maglie and Timmy are a good comparison for starts of a career?
I just want to thank you, Juan, for all that you’ve done to your body ….. by eating all of those chicken wings.
One of these days, Xanthan, I am going to fork bomb you. THEN WE’LL SEE WHO’S LAUGHING
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jun 29, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
OH GOD HIS ROTUND FORM IS BLOCKING THE I/O PORTS
Still in despair.
BRING BACK MARMOL!
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
that was awesome
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I’ve never seen a man eat so many chicken wings.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 29, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I will once again enter my plea to legalize forced euthanasia.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Thanks for your contributions!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
thinking with his dipstick
Choppin' broccoli
by SimpleJaquez on Jun 30, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
if by good you mean
Evil.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
But, but, but...team ERA
Obviously we need to trade Lincecum and Cain for Billingsly and Kershaw…
by Viva Jon Miller on Jun 29, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
it sucks.. but this is like their third best pitcher tonight. and he in the fifth with a shutout.
No one here gets out alive.
Matt Cain was the #25 pick :)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
lol
Who else came out of that draft?
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
Third Starter yadda yadda
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
Some minor leaguer got suspended for his third violation of the drug policy. How stupid can you be to fail 3 drug tests?
Needs more wall-crashing
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jun 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN gives us Manny in the minors highlights before Lincecum’s dominance.
IN WHAT WORLD DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE!?!
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
Fuggen' Rox
Pro Tip: Perhaps you can beat the Dodger more than once in 10 games? Try it. You might find you like it.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
In ESPN’s world, talking about what Brett Favre is having for breakfast is more important than anything else happening in the sports world.
In ESPN’s world, talking about when Brett Favre is POOPIN is more important than anything else happening in the sports world.
She Hate Me
BRET FAVRE JUST BOUGHT A MERKIN! TELL ESPN!
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Seriously, the place the highlights in the order where the most people care about them. That’s called business.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Which is why MLB Network's highlight show is so good
They’re about baseball, not catering to New York and LA.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Lincecum's dominance
not news. Total yawner.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
Yeah I can totally see why the Giants aren’t making that move.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
“It’s the intangibles”
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Jun 29, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Was it part of the meme or did I hear from somebody here that he can play first?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
The bad news is that his OPS went down.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah
that actually makes a lot more sense than suddenly after years of fan-dom forgetting how to read a box score :)
by SnowLeopard on Jun 29, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
So, what’s the final verdict, who is to blame for Ankiel’s judy-hit?
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions
It was the right call
He didn’t give the hitter time out
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
Never has to though, so it can never be assumed.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
No, it’s all discretionary.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. Completely up to the ump.
Unrelated, but remember when the Tigers were playing the A’s a few years ago and Bobby whoever was hitting for Detroit. The ump called play ball while he was out of the box and he still got a hit.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
No. It is the umpires right to either grant or not grant the time-out
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Rule 6.02(b), Comment:
“… Umpires will not call “Time” at the request of the batter or any member of his team once the pitcher has started his windup or come to a Set Position, even though the batter claims “dust in his eyes,” “steamed glasses,” “didn’t get the sign,” or any other cause.
“Umpires may grant a hitter’s request for “Time” once he is in the batter’s box, but the umpire should eliminate hitters walking out of the batter’s box without reason. If umpires are not lenient, batters will understand that they are in the batter’s box and they must remain there until the ball is pitched."
(Emphasis in original.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 29, 2009 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
To Micah Owings I would.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Oh yeah, how about Bengie tonight?
3 for 5 and scored on a hit from 2B!
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions
Note: The hit was a triple.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
Yeah, I know
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 30, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
the latter
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsors.
hilarious
ozzie guillen calls wrigley field. ‘just a bar.’ isnt comisky where those fans came out of the seats to attack a player?
No one here gets out alive.
Since Sadowski will start on Friday night and Aurilia returns on Friday night, who gets sent down?? I would imagine a pitcher goes.
Would be pretty messed up to DFA Aurilia as soon as he comes back from bereavement
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Yeah. It won’t happen that way, if it ever happens.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
It will never happen.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 29, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
he should just take as much time as he needs. In fact, he should just take the remainder of the season off to deal with his personal tragedy. We’ll all understand.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 29, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Good for the kid. With a league wide shortage of dependable relievers and the Giants having quantity could easily see GM Sabean work his magic
are you smoking something?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
some guy on espn said they should just give lincecum the cy young right now… haha
No one here gets out alive.
Probably should..
My brother a Dbacks fan says Haren is better… I mean at least he has an argument, but really.. Timmy > All
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
A 0.81 WHIP is pretty sweet. How is he 6-5?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Started out 0-3 despite having a 1.90 ERA
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Their Web site has this game as the thirdd top headline, under Yao possibly never playing again and Wimbledon. Their table showing stats from Timmy’s last four games is pretty epic.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=290629124
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Could you imagine if he turns into our own Brad Hawpe?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
Actually, he really doesn’t. At least compared to his peers.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
Yup!
It’s been a long time since we’ve had a Sacramentan on this team—about thirteen days or so.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
More importantly, he’s a true Dirtbag
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Why can’t a 25-man roster OF of Bowker, Rowand, Schierholtz, Winn and Torres work? The Giants could have Bowker, Rowand, Schierholtz and Winn play regularly. Torres would be the 5th OF and used defensively if necessary.
Bowker could play 5 times a week
Rowand could play 6 times
Schierholtz could play 6 times
Winn would pick up for 4/5 starts a weeks.
Because Bochy is the manager and he won’t distribute the games that evenly
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 30, 2009 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I say this with love
But there are a lot of goofy looking people here on McC after looking at the MCC Photo thread. I would put my picture there but (a) I don’t have any pictures and (b) I look goofier than anyone here.
No barking from the dog, no smog …
LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.
Geez epic postgame thread
Thats the last time I get ice cream with my family
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
My power went out during the 7th inning. Just got power back and came right back here to say Tim is God. Also, it was a miserable two hours without electricity. How do the Amish do it??
How do the Amish do it? I think they take their hats off first.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
I laughed aloud.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 29, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Before the Brewers/Cards part of this road trip started, I sort of figured this 7-game stretch would tell us whether the Giants were for real. Two of the better NL teams, on the road. Well, 2-2 so far and they really should be 3-1 if Saturday night’s debacle had gone differently. Two shutouts in a row, and they’ve hit the snot out of the ball the past few games. And Timmy is God.
Current status: I don’t not believe!
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
Tim Lincecum + Pablo Sandoval = Pants party…I mean, party in my pants.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Mr. Cornball, You weren’t joking about the humidity. It was brutal on Fri/Sat.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn’t even that hot over the weekend. It was hotter earlier in the week. But yeah, the Midwest is humid as donkey balls.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Probably b/c I am not used to it, but by 5pm I was gassed. We were near Cedar Rapids.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 29, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair ’nough. Cedar Rapids, huh? I have never been. I only go to Iowa to go to the movies.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
You should put a towel on
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf02Sq2WZlM )
by SnowLeopard on Jun 29, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
But
is he a leader?
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 29, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions
The Giants have the second best winning percentage in the NL
At .547 with a 41-34 record. This would be good enough to lead either the Central or Eastern Divisions. Unfortunately, we play with the Dodgers, who prior to today had the NL’s best team ERA and third best team BA. With Timmy’s start (and due to our being one tenth of a run behind the Dodgers as of the last time I checked on Yahoo) we may have taken over the NL lead.
So, if Mr. Parcells is correct and we are what our record says we are, that’s pretty damn good amirite?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Two first names... jerk. Same goes for casey blake.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 29, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim Lincecum?
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
My son will be Lincecum Timothy Lincecum G*.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Well, now, you KNOW that Lewis isn't the usual spelling of the first name; Louis is.
Lewis Black notwithstanding. And yes, the rule would make Saint Louis a big, fat jerk.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 29, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Confederate general Lewis Addison Armistead.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Lewis of Lewis and Clark.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
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Kevin Frandsen, come back!
Merriwether is pretty fail
as a first name
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Good point; we should research whether having two LAST names also shows tendency toward jerkhood.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point... for my argument. Would you let him babysit your daughter? Me, either.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 30, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
We’re saving this game on ye olde DVR for that long long 4 day stretch in July when there are no Giants games.
can we add delgado and vlad guerrero to the. ‘likely on the juice when they were good’ list?
No one here gets out alive.
its hilarious how many teams got ripped off giving those guys huge contracts.
No one here gets out alive.
maybe. but his performance started to decline when all the investigations started. and really all he lost was a few mph off his fastball.
No one here gets out alive.
Yes. Delgado was a beast when he was healthy/juiced/whatever though. I watched his four homer game on MLB Network a few months ago. Cot damn.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I always had this fantasy
that if Sabes had just done what I wanted him to after the 2003 season (give the damn catcher job to Yorvit and the damn closer job to Nathan), then we could have used the money we saved in not signing Matheny and Blownitez to have Delgado batting behind Bonds in 2005-2007.
by SnowLeopard on Jun 29, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
this came up earlier. i think its suspicious his body didn’t hold up and his power numbers came way down.
No one here gets out alive.
I’d bet on that too.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't know or care
but I just want to add: Bonds was/is/always better
It was a big pet peave of mine that, when it was all speculation, the talk was all “look how Barry bulked up” but there was no mention of others who also bulked up (Griffey and Clemens were the first two that always came to my mind).
Anyway, I actually don’t care that much about steroids. But I do care about inconsistent standards.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
People looked at Bonds because of how he treated the media. Fans tend to believe what is written in the papers or what they read online so “Bonds is an asshole” means “Bonds is an asshole” to the average fan even though Bonds was great with kids.
Looking at the Box Score on the homepage
…think we had more than 2 hits tonight.
What if Lincecum’s agent goes to the Giants and says “Zito is being paid $20 million. We want $25 million per year.”? (and if you go by salaries, if Zito “deserves” $20 million, Tim should get $50 million)
Possible answer: backload his contract
Realistic answer: 4 years is a lot of time in sports
by SeeingStars on Jun 29, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? That’s way more than Hamels got this year, and his first three years were pretty similar to Lincecum’s.
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:-(
Really?
Did Cole Hamels lead the league in strike outs twice while winning the Cy Young award (twice?)
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
the giants will have to pay lincecum market value. not value based on team salaries.
No one here gets out alive.
Nah. They’ll be fine and make it work. I don’t think they’ll let Tim get away. He literally IS their franchise.
Yea I imagine Lincecum pays for himself.
by SeeingStars on Jun 30, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Worrying about what Tim will make is like worrying about what Bonds made.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Contract
07:$10M
08:$14.5M
09:$18.5M
10:$18.5M
11:$18.5M
12:$19M
13:$20M
14:$18M club option ($7M buyout)
My good lord.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
I love that matchup. Oswalt is the pitcher that Lincecum reminded me most of when he came up.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
That inning was scary..
Good thing the Dodgers suck
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
Agreed on both counts.
Go team that is playing the team that will eventually be the closest competitors to the Giants! And I really mean it!
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
one thing the LA organization does very well is have their pitchers pitch inside, change the batters eye level
Hank sez:
TRADE CHATTER: Giants scout Paul Turco was seen at Monday’s White Sox-Indians game, possibly looking at Tribe first baseman Victor Martinez, whom the Giants are thought to admire.
WUUUUTTTT
That would take out whole minor league system to get him.. But it would be nice to see him catch half the games
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
I like Victory Martinez
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It would mean the end of TI. Victor doesn’t really catch much anymore. He’s basically a first-baseman.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Paul Konerko.
I thought Victor Martinez was locked up for longer — only through next year. Sanchez/Alderson/Lewis/Crawford….GET IT DONE IGANTS BRASS
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You forgot to throw in Cain?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Fan Graphs for tonights game
Daily Gameball and Joker at GIANTSBOARD.COM
GB and JK also at Giantsboard Blog
Say Hey Say Willie, that Giant Kid is Great!
What’s that little blip in the 6th inning?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
lulz. If it could have gone above 100%, it would have in the ninth
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
It was at 100%, in my mind, as soon as we scored and I saw the stuff Timmy had. My biggest question was whether we would finally see a no-no.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that sucked. At least the Rockies got hosed.
Off to play Castlevania SOTN….
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 29, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yep. it was a train wreck.
i dunno why i insist on watching the carnage.
No one here gets out alive.
Dodgers win,but at least the Rockies lost. It was a win/win, lose/lose situation. Either way we win/lose.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
I hope for 3 straight extra inning games between those 2
extra inning is the best thing ever, blow out those bullpen arms!
Bull crap.
They are rolling over on their backs and peeing themselves just like with the Brave in 1993 all over again.
Relegate the Rox to AAA!!
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
What’s Pablo going to wear that day, then?
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
panda outfit
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I read this as
Pablo Sandoval t-shirt GRAVY.
And the weird thing was that I just finished lunch.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
CBS Sport.com
They have a projected roster for the All Star game and for NL catcher after Yadier Molina being the starter, they picked Russell Martin despite mediocre stats and 3 other Dodgers projected (Hudson, Billingsley and Broxton). How could anyone pick Martin over someone like Brian McCann??
Yet another in the pile of reasons to hate the Dodgers… You could make more of a case for slumping BMoney than RuMa-toid, but yeah, clearly McCann is the best hitting catcher in the NL when healthy. And he’s healthy.
If Wilson throws clean saves up until decision time, does he sneak in again? Does Pablo get in? He’ll most likely be the BA leader, FWIW.
If the Rox would stop rolling over on their backs and peeing themselves the Bums would not have +9 games and a lot of this hype would die down.
… And by way Relegate The ROX!!
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
On the drive into work this morning
There was a guy dressed up as a sunflower standing on the corner of Ygnacio Valley and Civic in Walnut Creek. He was waving at all the cars as they passed by. He wasn’t selling anything or holding any signs. Just standing there….
I am going to choose to believe that he was celebrating Tim’s pitching performance.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 30, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions
It was probably one of my friends
we always used to do that in a gorilla suit
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
This is only logical.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Buster Olney, on ESPN.com this morning:
“Right now, on June 30th, 2009, Lincecum is the King of the Mountain among starting pitchers in the majors.”
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
I think he could win King of the Ring.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 30, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Fun fact
Lincecum’s CGSO was the best pitching performance in the NL of the season with a Game Score of 91.
Judgment Day is coming
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It pushed him past Cain in the Cy Young predictor as well.
by paboperfecto on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s been there all season practically, has too many wins for a closer in my opinion. Saves or wins, pick one buddy. Also I’m still ticked off that Gagne won a Cy Young.
by paboperfecto on Jun 30, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ how many of those are against pittsburgh
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
FWF:
So, for simplicities sake, let’s say the best teams automatically win vs. the worst teams, the best teams are twice as good as the middling teams, and the middling teams are twice as good as the worst teams.
This ruined your model. The math is all wrong – if the best teams are only four times as good as the worst, why would they win all their games against them?
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
Today's Trade Activity
Pirates send Eric Hinske to the Yanks for minor leaguers Casey Erickson and Eric Fryer.
Pirates send Nyjer Morgan and Sean Burnett to the Nationals for Lastings Milledge and Joel Hanrahan.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 30, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
The Pirates are a farm team for everyone else in the ML.
Judgment Day is coming
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I actually like that move. Morgan is a Rajai Davis clone and Millidge comes with a bunch of baggage, but he’s got the most upside of any player in that trade. It’s a decent move for a rebuilding team. Kinda like how the Nat’s got Elijah Dukes.
In my mind, they’re both dudes with kinda strange names, lots of hype, even more baggage, and no real major league accomplishments.
It’s sort of like how in my mind Nick Nolte and Gary Busey are the same person too.
Late to the party but I like both moves for the Pirates. That system was(is)such a mess it is not just they lacked high ceiling talent (when Littlefield left) they don’t really even have filler talent in arms and several positions. I still would like to see them raise back out the ashes.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Fuggen Rox! You might want to try beating The Bums more than once in 10 games. Try it. You might find you like it.
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