Should Uribe Be Our Second Baseman?
by objesguy on Jun 29, 2009 7:15 PM PDT
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It's been interesting to see the Giants shuffle through Burriss, Frandsen, Downs and now Uribe at second base. Does anybody think Juan would be our best option at second base at this point. I know he's old, he makes a bonehead error every now and then (and not just on the field), but he's got a hot bat and he has experience on a winning team (as evidenced by him starting on the 2005 World Series Sox team).
Originally, I wanted a Uribe-Sandoval combo with Uribe at 3rd and Sandoval at first but Ishi's bat is starting to come around and Ishi's solid defensively. Furthermore, I want Sandoval to get settled at one position and 3rd seems to be it.
Until Burriss gets his bat together, Uribe in my mind is the best option at second. Downs is not ready for the major league level and Frandsen is just a question mark in my mind (injured, was terrible in his call-up earlier this year).
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as long as were in contention
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 29, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions
I’d like to see a trade for someone like Adam Kennedy, but for now, I’m cool with Uribe.
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I'd stick with Uribe than trade for Kennedy.
I just don’t put that much stock in one hot month. Especially when that month was May and he’s hitting .204 in June.
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He’s a historically streaky hitter and the prototypical average driven player. We definitely have take advantage of his bat at the moment, but you have to temper your expectations of someone with a career OBP under .300.
I don’t think he’s a long term solution by any means. In fact, if he stays beyond this year, I would be surprised. But I do like what he brings to the team NOW. Out of Burriss, Frandsen and Downs, Uribe brings the best option to the lineup as of this moment.
And that could all change in a couple of weeks, because like you said, Uribe is one streaky hitter and is not known for getting on base.
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this
Once his bat cools down he is going remind a lot of us of Joe Castle but with out the doubles. But by all means ride the hand while it is hot in tis case.
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I think Uribe has more pop than Castle
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I agree over all.
It just seems to me Uribe goes on un and he is pretty darn impressive. And when he goes cold he is pretty wretched Joe Castle without the doubles. I have not made tables or links to back it up. It just my impression to keeping a casual eye on him (Hey, he is related Jose after all).
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by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
gahhh for the last time
Frandsen didn’t have enough time to be terrible. He got 31 PAs, and he put up a .080 BABIP. I mean, there’s unlucky and then there’s a .080 BABIP. I’m not saying he’s the solution or anything like that but he didn’t really get a fair chance before GIANTSBRAZZ decided “nope he’ll never be worth it”
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 29, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions
I voted Frandsen
Because I want to see him on a larger scale before I vote him off, and Burriss and Downs have more time left. If Frandsen AND Burriss/Downs can do it, then we have trade bait, but we should really KNOW whether Frandsen is a legit second baseman before we let him die in the minors.
Also, Uribe is 30, which isn’t all that old. Frandsen is 27, Downs is 25, and Burriss is 24. Uribe could conceivably be a starter/utility player for at least the next five years if he can continue to hit decently and play all over the infield.
People seem to forget that Frandsen has had his chances and not done much with them.
He could have won the starting job in Spring Training and then when he did get called up he went 0-fer.
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve another look, but he has had his chances.
This is overstating it. He hasn’t had many extended chances.
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Spring Training lasts several weeks...
and when you go 0-fer your first dozen and a half ABs on your call-up it is hard to make a case for the guy deserving more playing time.
That said, he did look a lot better his last call-up and hit into some bad luck. I’m not opposed to him getting more of a look, my point is just that it isn’t like he never got a shot.
ST doesn't really mean much
Burriss hit well in Spring Training. We all know how that turned out.
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Well, not to be argumentative, but it meant a hell of a lot to Frandsen and Burriss this year and that is my point. He had his chance to win the job and he had several weeks to show is stuff. He couldn’t beat out Burriss for the job, but please do not say he did not have an extended chance as the job.
He did not have an extended chance at the job.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 30, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Frandsen hit pretty well in ST … just not nearly as well as Burriss did.
And anyone who makes decisions based on a dozen and a half ABs… well. You know.
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And anyone who makes decisions based on a dozen and a half ABs… well. You know.
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Frandsen's ST stats
.274/.333/.384
Not fantastic numbers, but also not completely horrible either.
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considering it was his first real baseball in a year plus
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by say hey nation on Jun 30, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
430 Career MLB PAs Is Plenty to Draw Some Reasonable Conclusions
In these PAs Kevin has hit .241/.307/.342 which to me says utility at best and possibly just another AAAA.
by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
430 PAs spread out over several seasons, with a lot of sporadic playing time mixed in.
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Doesn't Make them Any Less Meaningfull In My Judgement.
the Same Can Be said for Nate Schierholtz and his performance has earned him a starting job. Kevin had his shots but just has failed to deliever and therefore has no one to blame but himself.
by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It's because your blinded by your rage
430 PA’s is not even a full season’s worth yet
The smart thing to do would be a mixmash of his MiLB stats, MLB PA’s, with a bunch of hard regression thrown in b/c of the fact that we don’t really have a good idea of his true talent level.
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Good call on Nate
Schierholtz hit quite poorly in sporadic PT, managing a meager .585 OPS in his role as a pinch hitter and spot starter through June 9th, at which point he began playing (if not starting) every day, and saw a tremendous improvement in his performance. Schierholtz didn’t “earn” a starting job with is major league play this season; he did just about everything he could to play his way out of an extended look. He didn’t really do anything to justify his new found everyday role until AFTER it was given to him.
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Stats Can Be Decieving.
Nate was delievering good ABs and he produced as a pinch htter. This earned Nate a shot (just as Frandsen’s numbers in Fresno earned him a couple of shots) this year. the difference is that Nat took advantage of his one shot while Kevin failed to take advantage of either of his shots.
by giantsrainman on Jun 29, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree...
Nate was doing very well pinch-hitting, I remember at one point a few weeks ago he had the second most pinch hits in the NL.
I don’t dislike Frandsen, I just don’t understand why people keep saying he hasn’t been given a chance. He was certainly snake-bitten with the injury that put him on the shelf for a season, but he definitely had the chance this year at the job and lost out to Burriss. Once that happened, he really had to show something when given a chance (like any other player trying to grab a spot) and he has not shown any reason why he deserves to get more playing time (2 for 28 with lots of poor ABs and no extra base hits).
Does anyone here believe that Nate would currently be starting now if he went 0 for 12 with weak ABs when he got a few starts in a row?
There's no doubt that Nate has made the most of his opportunity.
I just have an issue with your characterization of a couple dozen at bats as “a shot”. If you think enough of a player to tap him for a role, and there are no clearly superior options, you owe him at least 100 consistant PA’s before yanking him (and that’s probably on the low side).
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But why didn’t the scouts see the problem in Fresno?
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'Owe Him At Least 100 Consistant PA's" - Really?
This is only true if the objective is to collective statisitically significant data because you lack the ability to scout. To my way of thinking this is the wrong objective. The correct objective is to win games by playing the the players that are playing the best and good baseball people don’t need stats to make this determination. Good baseball people can depend upon their scouting ability to make this determination.
by giantsrainman on Jun 30, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
It’s also true if you think that scouting can also suffer from sample size issues. Also, if your scouts saw a reason to bring him up from Fresno in the first place. Also, if you’re scouts don’t think there’s anyone better (and, whether they through there was or not, there wasn’t, with the possible exception of Uribe, but he wasn’t being used at 2B at that point).
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Furthermore.
While Scouting has an important role to play in player evaluation, I find it preposterous to believe that a scout viewing a handful of at bats can make a meaningful enough projection to overrule months of observation AND statistical evidence from minor league games. If a scout were to suddenly find a significant flaw in a player in the majors which wasn’t evident in his time in the minors, the most reasonable course would be to allow the player a reasonable amount of time to correct the previously unobserved flaw based upon the rational assumption that it was a new and therefore easily correctable phenomenon. It would be unreasonable for a GM, to, say, sh1t his pants and demote the player immediately, ignoring the evidence that produced the call up in the first place.
Unless, of course, you’re assuming the the Giants are lax in their evaluation of their own players in the minors, and utterly failed to do their due diligence before promoting their players to the majors. In which case, their subsequent evaluation and handling of a young player in the majors should be called into question anyway, on account of the evident systemic managerial incompetence.
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430 Career MLB PAs Guessing Game
Alright…
436 MLB PA’s: .204/.256/.386
Hint: An Ex-Giant (natch…)
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by BruteSentiment on Jun 30, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Never Said A Perminant Judgement Was Warrented
What I am saying is that the judgements that have been made are warrented.
by giantsrainman on Jun 30, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
…then I’m glad you weren’t judging Matt Williams.
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by BruteSentiment on Jul 1, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
This is wrong.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 29, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
People seem to forget that Frandsen has had his chances and not done much with them.
Name them. I dare you. He has had one chance. Sept of ’07. Go look it up.
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I consider 2009 Spring Training a huge chance which he lost out on to Burriss. If Frandsen is as good as his supporters think he is, then he should have been able to beat out Burriss in a fair competition for the job — right?
I am quite surprised by the number of people here who act like Frandsen has some god-given right to start at least several weeks a row in the majors. This just isn’t how it works. You have to earn the right to a starting spot on the team which in the eyes of the professionals running the Giants he has not done.
These same arguments occurred over T. Linden, L. Niekro, D. Ortmeier, etc. and I think we all know who was right in those cases.
The only player of the ones you listed who had been given a real chance was Niekro. Ortmeier was said to be the starting 1B in 2008, but the job was given to Aurilia, whose days as a starter had long since passed.
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Their numbers were not that different. Burriss has (had) better range and with a statue like Renteria a SS that was probably the biggest single advantage Burriss had this spring training. Frandsen was more “steady” in converting balls he got to, imo, so again it is not like Frandsen screwed the pouch there – it was more The Big Head wanted the range.
Tell me when Linden, Niekro or Ort had a month like Frandsen did in Sept ’07? And when Linden or Niekro or Ort had the ability to play decent defense have multiple positions like Frandsen did in ’07? Short answer is they never did, never had and never will. You seriously talk like Frandsen is not even Brad Wellman or Rikkert Faneyte around these part that you will get beat like a drum. It is nothing personal just have soemting to back your claim is all.
For the record I think Frandsen’s ceiling is utility player on a 25 man squad. Maybe a more versatile Joe Strain with a bit higher SLG.
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by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually their spring training numbers were pretty different – .274/.333/.384 for Frandsen vs. .345/.418/.437 for Burriss. That’s almost 140 points difference in OPS. Which is a good illustration why nobody should put stock in spring training stats.
Another good illustration: .352/.470/.519 . That’s Rich Aurilia’s line this spring.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll sit mostly corrected in that it is was a 140 OPS differnce. But has you said 140 point in spring training is not exactly the same as 140 point ina month between April to October.
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by daveinexile on Jun 30, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
More importantly, it’s not the same as a 140 point difference over a full season or multiple seasons. As I said below, anyone can get hot for a few weeks. Jose Castillo was a .293/.343/.511 hitter in the month of May last year, but that wasn’t a indication of his talent level any more than Burriss’ ST numbers.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
If Frandsen is as good as his supporters think he is, then he should have been able to beat out Burriss in a fair competition for the job — right?
Wrong.
Look, Burriss hit .345/.418/.437 in spring training. He got really hot over 87 ABs. Anyone can get hot over a few week period.
If you’re going to take ST stats as a true indicator of ability, then Burriss should still be on the big club. It’s just not that meaningful. Burriss had a hotter spring than Frandsen and that has very little to do with who is the better player long term.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 30, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, 430 MLB PA's Is A Statistically Significant Sample Size!
by giantsrainman on Jun 30, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Not if it's discontinuous.
You can pull 430 discontinuous AB’s out of almost any players history and make them look bad.
The only time Frandsen had a continuous set of MLB AB’s of any magnitude, he hit pretty damn well.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Discontinuous Is Not Relevent. They Are All Of His MLB PA's.
The fact is that he has not shown the ability to hit at a MLB starters level and he has had plenty of chances to do so.
by giantsrainman on Jun 30, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
September 07 splits: 21 games 73 ABs – .370/.427/.479/.906
There is a difference between hitting everyday vs. pitch-hitting/subbing for players on off-days. Every single batter who talks about it says so. Do I think Frandsen is a legit .370 hitter? Of course not. However right there is proof that given regular ABs he can do something.
No, You Are Just Cherry Picking A Hot Streak.
Kevin Frandsen hasn’t been treated any differently then Nate Schierholtz. The difference is that Nate took advantage of his opportunities and Kevin thus far has not. Kevin will likely get another opportunity but it is just flat wrong to say that he has earned the right to get at least 100 continuous PAs as a starter no matter how bad he does in any stretch of these PAs.
by giantsrainman on Jun 30, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not about Frandsen “earning” anything. It’s about the Giants shooting themselves in the foot by not giving the best man the job.
Show Me How Kevin Has Proven Himself To Be "The Best Man For The Job"
The Giants believed Manny Burriss’ defense made him the ‘best man for the job’ until his offense got too bad to live with. Kevin got a couple shots and showed nothing. Now Uribe is getting a shot and he doing just fine. In my view an even better arguement can be made for Uribe deserving the extended opportunity Burriss got as opposed to Frandsen being given that extended opportunity.
by giantsrainman on Jun 30, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, you’re thinking in terms of players proving and earning things when you should be thinking in terms of the team doing what gives it the best chance of winning. The Giants were wrong about Burriss precisely because they got overexcited when a player “proved himself” when “given a shot” in the majors. They chose to ignore everything that minor-league stats (and basic scouting) were telling them, and so they lost a game or two or two that they didn’t need to.
Uribe is probably a little better than Frandsen, but if you make him the regular 2b then you still need a utility infielder, so it doesn’t make much difference.
I’m nitpicking your assessment that he hasn’t shown any ability to hit in the majors. In his one stretch run of actual playing time he did just that. You’re bashing him for not showing much in a pitch hitting role/bench player when there’s probably only a handful of .300 hitters who pitch hit.
As for merit, why have a farm system at all if you don’t promote those who have succeeded in it? Frandsen has earned his shot as a starter because he’s produced at every stop prior…just like Nate. When he’s being blocked by the likes of Uribe and Downs, something is wrong.
Again, your blinded by your rage
There is some significance, of course, but it’s far from definitive.
Again, 430 PA’s is not even a full season. I mean, we need a few MLB seasons to understand a player’s true-talent level. 430 sporadic PA’s doesn’t do the job.
Unless you can show me otherwise.
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If Not Uribe, I go with Frandsen, but with some hesitance
I agree that Frandsen didn’t get a better look and I wouldn’t mind bringing him up for spot duty (and get rid of Aurilia who now looks even more expendable with Uribe playing as well as he is). I think this would be Frandsen’s last chance however, and if he doesn’t come through now, he never will.
My knock on Frandsen is that he’s a 4-A player (great at Triple A but not quite good enough at the Big League Level). For now though, as long as the Giants are winning and contending, I go with Uribe. Best bat of the bunch and most experience of the bunch as well, even though he has a tendency to make that one bonehead play a game.
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by S.F. Giangst on Jun 30, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Ride Uribe until he collapses...
and then if Downs can’t pick up, call up Frandsen.
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What about riding another middle infielder in the Giants organization....?
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Ideally
Uribe would be a utility infielder playing positions all around the infield as guys need days off. But for now, I think he is the best option at 2nd.
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I think we can all come up with a starting lineup of 4A players.
There definitely are 4 A position players, and pitchers, if not some DH’s
Todd Linden Would be a candidate
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That's called replacement level
Not 4A
by FairweatherFan on Jun 30, 2009 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
or...
alternatively, the “Fresno Roster”. In all fairness, having seen a bunch of PCL teams this year, not many of the MLB clubs have much in the PCL. A few bright and shiny actual prospects, but mainly struggling replacement level players.
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Uribe if we are in contention
Otherwise we need to look at the under 30 crowd. Made a tremendous play in the field today. He is one strong dude.
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Uribe definitely has power! I attended my first Giants game this year on the sunday before the AS break, (the crappy Zito start) and that double that he ripped that got past the left fielder – OMG that thing was screaming. I want to see another few weeks of that before deciding on whether to trade for someone.
by Great Success! on Jul 18, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I voted Downs because I fell into a very obvious baseball trap, I saw his series against the Rangers and I fell in love with him as a player, he worked the count well that series, spanked some balls and made some nice dives on the ball.
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by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 30, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't mind Uribe...
I just prefer Frandsen.
Uribe is a pretty good option off the bench though.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jun 29, 2009 10:35 PM PDT reply actions
None of the above. At this point, just let whoever’s hitting well play until he slumps, then swap in another guy. Our choices are kind of a “parts is parts” situation.
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Like that idea
Preferably, I would want to keep playing Uribe until he hits a slump and then see what Frandsen is capable of. If both tank, bring up Burriss again and let’s pray he can hit it out of the infield so he can get on base and start stealing bases again.
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I like Uribe as a bench player, but as a starter I’m convinced it’s only a matter of time before we start mentioning him in the same breath as Jose Castillo.
As a starter I’d prefer Frandsen, then Downs, then someone we pick up in a trade, then Burriss, then Uribe.
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by Timlincecum.com on Jun 30, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Uribe
I like the fact that when he’s at the plate, there’s a decent chance that he’ll get an xbh. With Burriss, Frandsen and, to a lesser extent, Downs, there’s virtually no chance of an xbh.
His current OPS+ of 100 would be nice if he can keep it up the rest of the season and is a HUGE upgrade over what we’ve had at 2B form the other guys.
I’d send Downs down and cut Richie, bring up Frandsen as the utility and Guzman as a pinch hitter and 1B against tough LHP.
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He’s not going to keep it up. His BABIP is 72 points above his career average. Except for that, he’s the same hitter he’s always been, or even worse – his K%, BB%, and isolated SLG are all a bit below his career averages. I mean, he might be our best option right now, but he’s still a terrible hitter, and has been since 2004.
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best hitting giants IF (w/out moving an AAA OF to 1B) is probably:
Pablo C
Uribe 3B
Rent SS
Jesus 1B
Downs 2B
Not sure if the Ishi glove catches up with Jesus’ bat. Frandsen right now by Zips is projected to be out hit by Molina, Downs, and everyone else this side of Manny Burriss. If Zips and Gntz Brass agrees, who am I to argue.
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What makes you think Guzman’s bat is better than Ishikawa’s?
The Zips projections for Frandsen & Downs are wonky because they don’t take into account this year’s minor league numbers. If they did, Frandsen would come out ahead.
I actually had Ishi there first.
I suppose I havn’t quite shaken the “unimaginably terrible out hit by Aurillia” Ishikawa to be replaced by the “merely replacement level hitter” Ishikawa.
You probably have a point on Downs and Frandsen. Frankly, they all suck.
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What part of
“w/out moving an AAA OF to 1B” was unclear?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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no, uribe should not be our 2b
but neither should these other bums
by microwave donut on Jun 30, 2009 2:57 PM PDT reply actions
Hmm, interesting. A no 2B defense. Renteria is going to have a lot of work to do.
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there are certainly a lot of guys I would rather have starting at 2B than Juan Uribe
unfortunately, none of those guys are currently part of the Giants organization, so I say go with Juan until you can acquire somebody better.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 30, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions
You want some outside the box thinking?
Bring back Ray Durham. For all the complaints about the Giants lack of power, their lack of on-base skills is the most glaring weakness. What’s the point of bringing in a power hitter if he rarely bats with men on base?
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