Trading for a Right Handed Bat
by cuse7284 on Jun 28, 2009 4:47 PM PDT
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I was watching sportscenter and after the giants vs brewers highlights were done, peter gammons said "the giants are dangerous and dont be suprised if sabean looks to aquire a big right handed bat."
With that said, who do you guys think are some realistic options for us via trade?
I would list off a few names off the top of my head but I know thats a rookie move that will result in extra roasting from the McCovey Chronicles veterans so I will leave the options up to you all. Hopefully we can get a realistic list going...thoughts?
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Jeff Baker! Jeff Baker! For the love of Jeff Baker, Jeff Baker!
by StickRat on Jun 28, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He certainly can mash lefties, but that’s about all he can do. Plus, he’s just getting back from a wrist injury, which is never good in the short term for a hitter.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 28, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All in the past, sir. All in the past.
by StickRat on Jun 29, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are dangerous
did peter tell the beyond the boxscores guys that?
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Frank Thomas
He’s big. He’s right handed. He has a bat. That spells Big Right Handed bat.
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe no one has picked him up.
by Evan on Jun 28, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can
hes pretty heavy I imagine
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 29, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would anyone suck asterisks? How does that even work?
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by Natto on Jun 30, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Peter Gammons only cares about the east coast.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And
He’s always wrong. So the Giants are doomed. DOOMED!!!!!
by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus one of the greatest baseball writers of all time.
Oh wait, I’m doing this wrong.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breathe.
79.
Breathe.
79
Breathe
79
Breathe.
You feel better yet?
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jermaine Dye (preferred)
other bats available: Aubrey Huff, Miguel Tejada, Lastings Milledge, Matt Holliday
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 5:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
None of those interest me.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huff bats left handed, fyi
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. I bite at none of these, especially considering what we’d have to give up to get Tejada from the Astros (who always consider themselves contenders).
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
get serious
3 out of 5 of those guys will be FAs at the end of the year, so unless their teams are giving them away for C level prospects (which I doubt) then no thanks. That leaves Milledge and Dye. I don’t want Milledge (he’s never hit consistently even when playing in a hitters park), and Dye is just another high salary, fading old vet that can’t play D and will probably freak out at the difficulties of hitting in AT&T.
Let’s go younger and cheaper, with some potential for growth. That way if it doesn’t work out we’re not tied down with a big salary. The Angels, Brewers, Nats, and Marlins need pitching (which we have) and they have hitters in the Majors or at AAA that they would probably give up for the right package. Specifically I’m interested in Brandon Wood, Dan Uggla, Josh Willingham, and JJ Hardy.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh willingham can’t even play in the Nationals OF, his defense is that bad.
J.J. Hardy is an excellent defensive shortstop with one good offensive year, he is a league average or below offensive SS (Rob Neyer did a piece on this a couple of weeks back I think)
As for Wood and Uggla, I want them, but at what cost? Tim Alderson? Madison Bumgarner? perhaps more?
Really, unless the Giants are willing to trade REAL talent, they won’t get REAL cheap young hitting in return.
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Wood or Uggla would cost that much, specifically Wood.
Willingham is just under average defensively in LF.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not preferred
The other guys, kinda maybe
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jun 29, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Nyjer Morgan?
he’s a slightly better Lewis but could lead off. The Nationals are trying to trade Milledge straight up for him. He’s from SF too
by GobbleforCyoung on Jun 28, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he fills the “right handed power bat” need.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre lite
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it didn’t work, the Giants could trade him to the San Jose Sharks (he played hockey up Canada as a teen).
by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If all it costs to get Milledge is a player like Nyjer Morgan, let’s trade for Milledge.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 28, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that guy has some serious lasting mileage on him
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would consider trading Lewis for Milledge straight up. Worst case scenario, Milledge is a right-handed Lewis, which would be really useful on this team right now.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 29, 2009 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn’t the worst case scenario that he’s a whiny, crybaby right handed version of Lewis?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 30, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jun 29, 2009 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Rios
tough contract to swallow though….
by khenderson on Jun 28, 2009 5:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
has the price come down, or do they still think Tim Lincecum is a fair deal?
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by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hearing a bag of balls might get it done now.
by khenderson on Jun 28, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did you hear this?
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A DEAL THE GIANTS MUST AND SHOULD MAKE
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Sanchez for him
And yes…that is meant to be a slap in the face.
by travisam on Jun 28, 2009 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really know what you meant.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping this is in response to Nyjer Morgan and not Alex Rios.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baggs mentions both Jermaine Dye and Mark Teahen
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Teahen, but he’s a lefty.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen
I just puked a little. Just what we need, a low-power left-handed hitter that can play many positions.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JUST SAY NO TO DYE
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missed opportunity
You could’ve gone with “NEVER SAY DYE!” instead.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
by EliminateMe on Jun 29, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DYE ANOTHER DAY
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by Natto on Jun 29, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DYE NEVER
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 29, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Those guys would probably both be dirt cheap via trade but they’re not really upgrades. Dye’s bat would be nice but he sucks in LF or RF.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how’s Teahen’s glove? capable at 2B?
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 29, 2009 4:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Started playing there for the Royals this year in spring training, and even then his time there was limited because of the WBC. Started out poorly, seemed OK on the routine plays by the time the regular season started, but shortly after that Gordon was hurt and he was moved back to third. Slow turning the double play, pretty big for 2B, looks like he’s a prime candidate for a career-ending takedown by Fielder or somebody.
by 2X2L on Jun 30, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im skeptical that anything will happen. Prove me wrong, but in a good way please.
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone think
The Pads’ Kouzmanoff would be worth pursuing?
by BigO on Jun 28, 2009 6:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This whole interdivision thing sucks. There are a lot of good players on crappy teams in the West.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but Kevin Kouzmanoff is not one of them
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kouz sucks. Idk why people like him. Pedro Feliz is more appealing than that guy.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of good players on crappy teams in the West.
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And yet, they have a better winning % than the NL Central and East.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants would be first place in the NL East! This amuses me.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NL Central, too.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like 3rd worst team
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Giants are leading the Brewers and Cards in winning %.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you don’t usually fall in.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…or did I?
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…or was I marveling at how proficient you are at not falling in?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…But then………my God.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t even try to keep up, man. We’re on a whole other level.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about the Rockies
they have the second best run differential in the NL behind the Dodgers.
by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While the Giants will be playing the Cards the Dodgers will be playing the Rockies. Should be great for the wild card chase
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants lose vs. the Cardinals (each night), do you root for the Rockies even thought that would mean the Rockies move in front of the Giants?
by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never root for the Dodgers
Ever
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever??
Suppose the Giants and Rockies are battling for the division title (loser will NOT get the wild card). Giants are facing the Padres and the Rockies are facing the Dodgers. The Rockies have a two game lead with three to go. Giants are doing their part by beating the Padres. You would rather not make the playoffs and hope the Rockies win??
by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Giants fandom comes before my Dodger hate
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
groug said he would never root for the Dodgers. I’ve actually heard Giants “fans” say that they would rather have the Giants miss the playoffs if it meant rooting for the Dodgers.
by SFGuy on Jun 29, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s funny how we talk about who we root for in a particular game like this will affect the actual outcome. I always root for the Dodgers when they play the Mets, because I hate the Mets more than any other team, but I doubt it actually helps the Dodgers during the games.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 29, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've heard that he's done
but word is that the Tigers are thinking of releasing Magglio Ordonez. ZIPS seems to think he can still hit some bombs.
by BigO on Jun 28, 2009 6:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take a chance on him..
Gary Sheffield has done well since leaving Detroit.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they release him and no one claims him, the Giants could sign him to the league minimum. I would do that.
by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. Mags was starting to hit before the Tigers benched him too.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would he sign with the Giants? A bunch of teams would want him. The Phillies wanted Sheffield and he signed with their leading rivals, so I’m sure they would be in on Ordonez. And which ballpark would you think he would prefer to play in? Not only that, but if other AL teams were interested, I bet he would prefer to sign with them. I’m sure he wouldn’t want to switch leagues and face a bunch of new pitchers in his walk year.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 29, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he would want to sign here, I just think he’d be worth exploring.
My guess is he’d sign with the White Sox or Mets or some other team that could use some OF production.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubt he’s go back to the white sox after the whole Ozzie “he’s got an enemy now” stuff
by microwave donut on Jun 29, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need to understand..
… that in order to acquire a big bat Sabean will more than likely need to give up at least 1 top tier prospect, otherwise it will be difficult. I keep reading postings about uggla/cantu for sanchez… but it has already been said that those deals have been turned down on the Marlins side, they have no interest in Sanchez. I do not see Sanchez being the center piece of any deal, unless it is for a lesser caliber player. however, his stock could rise again if he can prove to a very reliable reliever. he was impressive today striking out the side in the 9th. so lets cross our fingers for that one! i think Holliday is the most realistic acquisition. His contract ends at the end of the year, and i think theres no way he stays in Oakland. He’s a proven National league hitter, he knows the pitching staffs well, i think a change of scenery and chance to make the playoffs would spark him. Yes he is not putting up his usual numbers, but his current offensive numbers are better than anyone we can throw in LF, plus he brings strecth run/playoff/world series experience, and thats priceless. with that said we may be able to get him for a relatively cheap package of prospects, and a couple of vets currently on the roster, we may have to throw in one of our bigger prospects, but as long as it’s not posey,bumgarner,noonan, or alderson i am ok with it…. i don’t think beane wants to wind up empty handed at seasons end once Holliday walks.
by Do_the_research on Jun 28, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and...
not to mention, we have room to add on the payroll… and we can afford to offer him an extension.
by Do_the_research on Jun 28, 2009 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boras doesn’t believe in extensions for his clients. He likes to get out on the market and let multiple teams drive the price up. This is why Holliday isn’t still a Rockie.
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by Roger on Jun 29, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Beane lets Holliday walk at the end of the year, he’s going to get Type A FA compensation for him. Therefore, if you’re going to trade for Holliday, you’re going to have to offer him something better than that. This probably means you WOULD have to offer one of your big prospects for him. We’ve also talked in the past about why Beane would probably prefer to do business with any other team but the Giants. I would look in another direction for right handed help.
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by rxmeister on Jun 29, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Type A picks are sandwich round picks. Giants top prospects are guys who have already performed well in the minors. Your argument implies that Beane is 100% likely to turn a sandwich pick (or one of two, I’m not sure what they’d get) into someone as highly-regarded as the Giants’ best.
I’ll bet a look at the A’s drafting history doesn’t give Billy that kind of certainty.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
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by achiappanza on Jun 29, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Type A free agents net the signing team’s first-round pick, which is top-15 protected. The team that loses the player would also get a sandwich pick.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 29, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, still makes my point
Posey and MadBum went higher than that. Alderson went at 22, four picks before the A’s picked James Simmons.
"[Greg] Vaughn is in a funk so deep, George Clinton wearing a miner's helmet couldn't find him."
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by achiappanza on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Better than that” is a pretty variable term when it comes to FA compensation, though. It could be a late 1st rounder, it could be a 2nd rounder. Heck it could even be a 3rd rounder (as for instance in the Blue Jays case with AJ Burnett this year). And there’s a heckuva difference between pick #16 and pick #100.
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by Roger on Jun 29, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those posts you keep reading about are running jokes on various trade/complaint posts
Don’t take any of this too seriously:
Cain for Fielder
Sanchez for Cantu
Posey for Smoak
Bumgarner for Heyward
Alderson for Porcello
Lincecum for Rios
I’m sure more seasoned McC folks will fill this list out better but you get the idea.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
new to the game...
however, i did know about the other running joke trades… they are obvious!
by Do_the_research on Jun 28, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that you know the joke trades, you can work on CR/LF!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 28, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
cr/lf??? someone help me out.
by Do_the_research on Jun 28, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
carriage return/line feed
Avoids the giant block of unreadable text in your first comment.
by taliesin on Jun 29, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i though it was...
but i don’t see any unreadable text in my first comment… strange
by Do_the_research on Jun 29, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But back on point
I would be open to trading for Holliday had it been with another team other than Oakland. They only traded for him with the intentions to fleece a desperate GM. They will still get draft picks should he walk because he’s gonna be a “Type A” free agent.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on economy
Any team trading for a soon to be FA with the idea of getting compensation draft picks should tread lightly. If that FA you traded for does not sign quickly then the team must be willing to offer arbitration. The team offering arbitration must make sure they ready for that FA to accept their arbitration offer if the FA cannot find an acceptable contract offer from another team.
Holliday’s agent, Scott Boras, did this with Jason Varitek last season. So if economy is still sluggish and contract offers are not what players are looking for some FA may be willing to take one year arbitration and see if the economy improves a year later
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to think Holliday would be in high demand this offseason. Other then Jason Bay, he’s the only impact bat available. I would think he would have no problem finding a secure contract.
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta hope he gets the deal he wants BEFORE you must offer arbitration
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
If he accepts arbitration then you get Matt Holliday for another year. The Giants can afford it. What’s the problem?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means the A’s. I assume Holliday accepting is probably a worst case scenario for them.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure they A’s have th moneys for next season. I am sure they would rather spread it arround but a non garanteed contract to a type A free agent would be nice position to be in. It is not like Holiday is 36 and you have to worry about his health/body rapidly delcining.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A's "worst" case
If they buy out Giambi’s option for next year that frees up $5.25 MM. Crosby is not going to getting paid $5.25MM. So that is $10.5 MM. That should be about enough to carry Holiday to the trade deadline in 2010.
Side note: The A’s will still be on the hook for at least $15MM to Chavez even after this season. I had thought his option year was 2010 not 2012. Man, that has got to hurt.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teh Chevez option is 2011, not 2102, thta still hurts.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the plan is to sign Holliday for 2010 then it is fine. If it is to trade for him this season and then reap comp draft picks tread carefully
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think the get compensation picks is ussaly a smart plan for a longer term stratagy. I also think this is the worst conditions to be trying that.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would Winn be a Type A?
If so, we could trade Winn and a prospect and eat part of Winn’s salary.
The A’s would get an OF back to play the rest of the year, they’d still get their comp picks and gain a propspect.
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by Goofus on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B-Money and Randy as type A’s would be nice. A bunch more draft picks to get a 2nd wave of prospects coming in to complement our current big boys.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 28, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
teams will be scared to offer Arbitration because He might take it.
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but I feel like that’s really overblown. You offer them both arbitration and let them know they’ll be backups if they accept. Worst case scenario, you’ve got each of them on a one year, fairly inexpensive deal. Randy would be an amazing fourth outfielder and I think Bengie has too much pride to accept going into next year as a backup.
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by marcello on Jun 28, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure that would work. Both of them would think that the Giants are just bluffing them with the “backup” threat because they don’t want them to accept arbitration. They also both probably have egos big enough to think that even if the Giants’ are serious about the backup roles, they will come to spring training and win the everyday job anyway.
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by rxmeister on Jun 29, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
If they both accept arbitration and are back on the Giants they will both start. This is a team that is still running ORLYA out there. All that veterany goodness is not going to sit on the bench.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 29, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then is comes down to who is the manager next year?
/ mutters, " No Big Head. No Big Head No Big Head."
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday's career OPS not in Coors...
.800 or so. Not worth a spreadsheet. Decidedly unspecial.
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Jun 29, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do want.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what kind of deal can you propose that the Marlins would be willing to accept?
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salary relief might do more to convince them than most other teams. I’m surprised taking on bad contracts aren’t used as trade assets like they are in the NBA. I know there’s no salary cap but it would still be quite useful.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
but what sets the Giants apart from any other team that wants to trade for Uggla? There are reports that at least 6-10 teams can take on salary in a trade
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a lot better than having to compete with the whole league.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins are not selling
they’re 3 games out, why would they sell? On top of that, just about every news outlet has reported that the Marlins owner does NOT want to sell. They think they can contend.
by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what they are looking for, but considering the bounties received for McClouth and DeRosa, it might not have to be elite talent.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 29, 2009 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now to rash deals
Perhaps a minor deal for someone league average at 2B.
79 wins.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 28, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Boy are you gonna look stupid when the Giants win 80 games!
But, other than that, 2b is the right place to upgrade.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
by thehavenot on Jun 28, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really really want the Giants to go after Iwamura. The new reports is that his ACL tear was not as bad as originally thought and he can recover through rehab. He was a consistent 2.5 WAR player his first two years while shuffling positions in the infield, but his 09 points to a potential jump from that. Taking in age/cost, I think he makes more sense than O-Dog, Polanco, DeRosa, or Uggla.
Of course this does nothing for us this year, but we’re not getting any impact bat w/o trading big. Anyways, a lineup of this looks pretty league average:
Rowand
Iwamura
Posey
Sandoval
Schierholtz
Lewis
Ishikawa
Renteria
Pitcher
(Of course the 1B/Corner infield spots are dependent on who sticks between the Ishikawa/Guzman/Bowker/Lewis/etc. cluster).
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Iwamura is a FA this offseason
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Club option for $4.25 MM with a $.25MM buy out.
Not that i been keeping an eye on him or anything.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What big prospects did the cards give up for DeRosa?
Some teams will just look to unload salary. These trades are usually lopsided with one team getting a good player and the other team dumping his salary.
by bradleybear on Jun 28, 2009 10:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The indians got Chris Perez and a player TBA. Perez has closer potential stuff. hes got a 2:1 K:BB rate and his WHIP is around 1.3. He’s only 23 and has a ton more upside than DeRosa has after this season. I’d say the tribe made out pretty well for a team 14 games under .500
by Classy_Argonaut on Jun 28, 2009 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols
see, this is easy!
"Why you gotta be cardin' my hos?" - Charlie Hayes
by stevieg on Jun 28, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
let’s do it tonight so we don’t have to face him tomorrow!
by quincy0191 on Jun 28, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’d have to play the Cards we’re dealt.
(I’m here all week.)
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 29, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely played.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 29, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I smirked out loud.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, coming soon to a minor league near you.
by EliminateMe on Jun 29, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What pieces can the Giants offer?
Relievers: Howry, Valdez, Miller, Medders
OF: Fred Lewis
2b: Frandsen, Burriss
Pitching prospects: Pucetas, Maday, Snyder, Tanner, Surkamp, Hinshaw, Matos, English etc
Any chance some combo of this can bring a bat we need?
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 11:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sosa too? I dont see how he fits long term and he could be tantalizing to some gm who likes live arms (cough detroit cough) just throwing that against the wall
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s 4 below average relievers, one mediocre LF, two bad 2B, and a bunch of C prospects at best (except for maybe Tanner, who might scratch a B-). Hard to see this get us a good bat.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 29, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Valdez would have some value. He’s better than mediocre with a lot of upside, IMO
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s 27, injury prone, has no control, and is barely above average at striking people out.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 30, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His bat is not very right-handed.
Guzman’s is!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 30, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right-handed bat?
I knew they made gloves specifically for lefties or righties, but I thought bats went both ways.
The more I think about these scenarios, the more I think we should stand pat and/or upgrade from within (baring some team being desperate and willing to be hosed.)
The tam has played good ball despite getting bad performance from 2B and 1B. Downs (or Frandsen) upgrades 2B and Ishikawa appears to be upgrading himself at 1B, where Bowker/Guzman provide and fallback option.
In the outfiled, things have been upgraded by the freeing of Nate. Between him, Scott, Randy, Fred and Torres, there’s enough options and defense to put a fairly decent outfield out there every day, especially in the “Goofus Principle” is applied.
If Bochy would just do a better job filling out a lineup card, I’d be happy with hanging on to our future. Some combination of Rowand, Sandoval and Schierholts should be batting 3-4-5, Winn or Lewis should be leading off and Benjie should be no higher than 6th.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 29, 2009 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In general I agree with you, although I’d bring up Bowker and risk losing Lewis when I optioned him to Fresno. I don’t think we can trade for the kind of bat we need without giving up too much of the farm system, so I’d prefer we upgrade from within, where we can.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 29, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am here as well.
If this team thinks it is competing then an Adam Kennedy type move ( claimed off the waivers for an interesting but fungible farm hand) make sense. As long as this team is stays open to adding payroll the waiver wire in August should be real interesting.
As long as the Big Head plays the kids as much as possible between now and any such move there should be enough time to fairly evaluate most of them. Adding a big contract, older but still potent bat for the final 1-2 months that way might be the best of all worlds for this squad.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please no adam kennedy. one crappy 2002 angel is already too many!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jun 29, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. He was the first disposable, no long term commitment, near league average 2nd baseman that I could come up with off the top of my head. The more you pay for a guy the more you’re committed to him.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep the team intact
It’s been so far so good in a season where we will all cry just to see the Giants stay in playoff contention into the summer and possibly September. I know the offense is still in the bottom ranks of the league but there’s no guarantee a new bat with pop will light up the offense immediately, especially since Giants will not trade for a big time hitter like the Dodgers did with Manny.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 29, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am a big fan of Vernon Fucking Wells
If he is available and the GIANTS BRAZZZ can stomach that contract.
by jctGamer on Jun 29, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
read this about Vernon Fucking Wells
I’d rather have Rios as was mentioned above
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link fail
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/blue-jay-disappointments
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm well aware of his struggles this season
But I couldn’t resist as I’ve been a huge fan of Wells for a long time. Just last season he posted OPS+ of 121 I think.
I mention Wells because I think he can be had for basically nothing while Rios will take real talent. The Giants have said time and time again that their biggest trade chip at the deadline is the ability to take on money.
Well, Show me the money.
by jctGamer on Jun 29, 2009 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Merkin Valdez can bring in someone good...
Maybe a trade of Valdez/Sanchez/Lewis for Dan Uggla
Grab Some Pine Meat!
by Gobroks on Jun 29, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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