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Game Recap: The Giants Salvage One Against the Brewers

Obviously. Of course. Should have known.

Star-divide

Should have known. The Brewers call up an unknown pitcher from the bowels of their system, and he dominates the Giants. Well, I shouldn't write "dominates" -- it isn't as if he was striking every one out. Nope, it was a ball-in-play fest, with liberal sprinklings of ill-timed double plays. If I had a nickel for every time the Giants were overmatched by a non-prospect this season, I'd have about $.30. And I'd use it to feed the meter in front of the bar I'm going to drink at to forget about the Giants. This is getting ri...

Wait, the Giants were the ones who benefitted from a random spot start from a random minor leaguer?

I'd thank the universe, but I'd like to think that we were owed this one. Good job, Ryan.

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Ryan Sadowski

My favorite Polish player.

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Pablo Sandoval

My favorite PandaBearish player.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Wilson

My favorite jagoff.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Polish

My favorite ballpark meal

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Polish

My favorite way to make something shiny.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did not see the gameday thread. So I don’t know how many are ahead of me in saying “Sadowski is 5th starter, Sanchez is a useful reliever, some guy with initial M is on his way to Fresno”

cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"

by foothillsfan on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

And by useful.. Sanchez is a dirty reliever. Trade Wilson and use Sanchez/Romo as the closer

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love that combo

What the Rays showed us last year is that a situational closer combo can be just as effective as one guy. Sanchez and Romo would be what JP Howell and Grant Balfour are to the Rays: effective pitchers who failed as starters but have great stuff to be shut down relievers.

by objesguy on Jun 28, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would have more faith in Affeldt/Romo. Sanchez has yet to prove he can do anything in pressure situations and he walks alot

by m34josh on Jun 28, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s a great plan. Sanchez doesn’t have the head to deal with being a starter, so let’s have him close games for the first time ever. Better yet, let’s have him close during the second half of the season in the first “pennant race” he’s ever been involved in. Hey, he was effective in the ninth inning, who cares that the Giants were leading 7-0? And after that, we’ll let Sanchez perform spinal surgery on Noah Lowry, just for fun! Let’s play!

by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 28, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ok, I laughed. Good job, guy.

Billy Ripken is not a fuck face

by Karlifornia on Jun 29, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's Sanchez' arm

that’s the problem with him starting, not his head. He just can’t throw <100 pitches in 5 innings.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.

by zenbitz on Jun 29, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

no on Mad Bum, Keep him in AA for a while

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he means either Justin Miller or Branden Medders

by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh. I thought he meant with the starter spot opening up in Fresno, Mad Bum should be moved to AAA

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

don’t forget Merkin Valdez

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus

Martinez is on his way back

The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Technically there is also Matt Cain

by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

3RD STARTER (In Fresno) AT BEST

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

theres no need to rush him

by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good signs on Sanchez. Give him a week or 2 in the pen, it will do him some good.

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

or a season.

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d prefer not to see Sanchez start again for a long time. Or ever. Maybe he just needs the Affeldt treatment. Promising starter prospect who can’t get it done and moves to the pen to become an elite set-up man. Or even closer down the line…

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

If our Post all Star break shedule was differnt I would agree.
But it isn’t so i don’t

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t doubt we’ll bring up Tim 2 or MadBum for that. Just a hunch….

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Before Sept?

I really doubt that. Even with the Bocockian front office.
If one of those two starts throwing every 5 day and completely owning AA I’ll change my tune. Tell then, Nah.

I would expect those 2 to throw in any MiL Post season series their teams ( right now Sj & Conn maybe Fresno) get into so I doubt they will be up Sept 1.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless There is a major injury to the staff, we probably wont see them (or one of them) until possibly September

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t underestimate a desperate franchise that hasn’t made the playoffs in 6 years to bring up a top prospect to help them make a push for the postseason. Especially in a shitty economy in an effort to increase ticket sales. Also both the manager and GM are vying for contract extensions, and a new managing general partner who wants to establish himself.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

if one is to be promoted it would seem to be Madison Bumgarner. If Bumgarner was promoted would then think he would not be used as a starter but rather a reliever – see KRod2002 or DPrice2008

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Krod was a reliever the whole year before he got pulled up.

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I lived through the Giants teams of the 70’s. This last rough patch has nothing on fustration and desperation on them or the early 80’s squads.

So maybe your right in that my pain level is higher than those making the choices. Or maybe they have been through enough baseball seasons to have higher pain threshold than I.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yesterday is the past!

We didn’t crumble; we came back and made a statement!

by positiveuphemism on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Kevin Frandsen is not in the Fresno lineup today. Will he be the Rich Aurilia bereavement replacement?

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought Sadowski was

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadowski was called up when aurilia was placed on leave

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

And in replacing Aurilia he also went 1-3 batting. Aurilia has been replaced.

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

no fake bunts though

by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did try to bunt with the bases loaded and it wasn’t a squeeze play

Let's bring the...

by Swager on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

he is talking about bengie i think

No one here gets out alive.

by Bond16 on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sanchez for All Star team!

Looks as if he found his niche. I also saw Pablo was removed due to a stomach virus…hope that crap isn’t spread around!

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

lol crap spread around.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sanchez in a Catch 22

Sanchez probably thinks if he pitches well in relief he’ll get back in the rotation. More probably it will convince the Giants that he’s best as a reliever.

Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!

by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that ship as already sailed. Medium term (say 18 months and more) I beat the front office plans call for one of Madison or Tim2 to be the #5 spot of the Giants rotation. If Sanchez wants to start it will probably be with a different team after that. If he wants to stay Giant he will be in the ‘Pen.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should fake a plane crash and flee to Sweden.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or Argentina. I hear some cool stuff happens there.

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.

by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think all that beer and cheese in milwaukee tempted big panda a little too much

by brandollars on Jun 28, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

how about the sausages?

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pablo's fingers are fine, thanks.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 28, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Much better today

Nice job by the rookie. The way to beat this Brewer team is to throw a guy out there who is making his MLB debut. If Im not mistaken, thats 3 pitchers this year making their debut who have beat the Brewers.

Extra nice to win with the B squad as well while the Brewers threw out their best. Should have been 2 of 3.

by backtocali on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

The b squad

is the new A squad

The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

again, not a math major

but in this case B=A

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...

by natteringnabob on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadowski said he had heard rumors that his contract would be bought out by a Japanese team so when he heard his contract was purchased on Friday, he was a little surprised it was by the Giants.

Bonds stands alone.

Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Fun fact - That's the first time all year the Giants have used a starter other than their top 5

That’s one of the lucky breaks that will come back to bite us at some point this year.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Our starters have been really healthy for years. In part due to youth, but also due to good training and conditioning.

by positiveuphemism on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noah is the big exception.

Bonds stands alone.

Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noah is weird too. Because I think he pitched through injuries and didn’t tell the Giants training staff about them. Then he elected to not have surgery despite what the Giants wanted to do, which eventually lead to surgery later, and then the misdiagnosis.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ainsworth too, though that was a weird injury.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be honest, we’ve been pretty lucky with trading away pitchers who end up haveing serious injuries afterwords.

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

It would be pretty awesome if Sanchez could come in as a closer or a fireman

Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.

by GiantBrass on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Most starters are initially very upset when sent to bullpen. As time passes and success is found they learn to love it. Especially since they will be collecting MLB per diem and meal monies.

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

well if you think about it

unless they are sprinkled with magic closer pixie dust, their future earnings are roughly 1/4red (fraction pulled out of my ass) as a reliever than as a starter.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.

by zenbitz on Jun 29, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fireman part is the best (only) aurgument to keeping Wilson long term I buy into.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL… Wilson the “fireman” hold the “hoes”.

by zuma420 on Jun 28, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked that game a lot more than the other two games.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

its more fun when we win!

No one here gets out alive.

by Bond16 on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

HOORAY BASEBALL

Watch out San... oh, wait, Sadowski... uncle Pucetas is comin' for you.

by Sammy Danger on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadowski also said he’s worked with Eli more than any other catcher, so that definitely helped him feel comfortable today

Bonds stands alone.

Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants

by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Sadowski

but 3 BB and 2K in 6 IP, and a 4.11 ERA in Fresno should stop us from getting that excited. There were a lot of lucky breaks here.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

shush

The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

he pitches better and against major hitters

by Kaizre on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Sanchez was pitching and Lewis dropped that fly ball, it would have been a 7 run inning.

Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!

by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

i thought when he hit Fielder the Giants could lose.
after yesterday’s clusterf#ck and Jonathan’s “oh boy, here we go/why does this always happen to me?” Eeyore face, I would not have been surprised.

by sayheybk on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was a good game and I enjoyed watching it, but I’m thinking about Matt Kinney in that Roger Clemens game from a few years ago.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t that Brian Cooper?

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Whoever it was, that’s who I’m thinking about.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bill Laskey

Minor leaguer with a plus 4 ERA, gets called up, wins 5 straight. Know your history, young pups

by Giantsfan4life on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, and every year there are journeymen the step up and put it together for a couple months. Now days most often in the ’Pen but it still happens.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes but this only happens to the dodgers and yankees, like aaron small, and chacon, or milton, and motherfuckingericstults

Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?

by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who is Ryan Jensen? And do you think the ’02 Giants get a Wild Card without his fabled season?

Just to be clear I don’t expect an entire season (170 IP) like that but a month or two would not be that out of heard of. It mighty lucky but not unheard of.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

True. But most 5th starters are like this. All I give a shit about is that he gave the Giants a chance to win, and was able to go 5 or 6 innings without completely failing. Something Sanchez hasn’t been able to do for us this year.

He got a lot of groundball outs and showed some aptitude for fielding his position very well.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it bad that I’m still upset about yesterday?

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope Wilson catches Panda’s stomach virus BECAUSE of yesterday

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only for your health.

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

:-(

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

No. Today should easy your pain though. this is not agame we should have expected to win.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yesterday?

I thought the week just went Weds-Thurs-Sunday this week

Thing A

by sam23 on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think now we need to trade one of Valdez/Medders/Miller/Howry for a bat….. I think the Derosa trade shows what kind of value relievers have right now and I think that part of our team is due for some regression.

by OTTOMATIC on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

The reliever with value are not the ones we want to trade.

Unless somebody sees great value in Merkin Valdez.

by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

We need a Jonathan in the pen anyways….. With Affeldt being the only lefty he really will balance out our pen. Any one of the guys I mentioned above is expendable in my book if we get something back in value

by OTTOMATIC on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

No offense but Chris Perez has way more value than any of those relievers you just listed. He’s a highly valued prospect with closer potential and is a lot younger then the journeyman relievers you just listed + one failed prospect who is now in his late 20s and has a severe injury history.

We can probably trade one of those guys for something but it won’t be for anyone good. We’re talking like for a Neifi Perez type player and nobody wants that.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question:

Is it safe to say that Nate Schierholtz is now a regular/starter?

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Hope so! Until Neal and Kieschnick come up.

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I sure as shit hope so. Shierholtz for president!

by Kaizre on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

……………….

by Kaizre on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can always tell who the new folks are.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not only did Nate have a huge game, but that dropped flyball by Lewis has got to be the final nail in his coffin. When you’re making defensive substitutions for a guy in the sixth inning, you’re pretty much in the manager’s doghouse. The kid did a terrific job of pitching around that ball that should have been scored an error.

Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!

by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I was impressed with how Sadowski got out of that.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who’s this Sheerholds guy you speak of?

by zuma420 on Jun 28, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sheer Hold ?

My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!

by nvsfg on Jun 29, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

sure

hopefully he stays hot so we can package him in some type of trade

by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe we can package him with Neal, Crawford, and Kieschnick for poser A.) Uggla or poser B.) Holliday

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joking right?

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course!

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank goodness!

Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!

by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. Lewis is the new Nate

Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!

by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who’s Lewis?

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.

by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

What’s this Lewis guy’s last name?

Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.

by Johnny Disaster on Jun 28, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who's who?

co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Jun 28, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you could have said that a week ago.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he is a regular/starter, does he stay in the cleanup spot??? Hope so…

by krazybalr on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, Bengie's there

And you can’t disrespect a veteran like that.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Panda is the new Bengie

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree. nate would be a better 3. put panda in the cleanup spot.

No one here gets out alive.

by Bond16 on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anything to get Bengie out of the cleanup spot!!!

by krazybalr on Jun 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bochy said that Nate hit cleanup because he wanted his hottest hitter behind Pablo. That actually makes sense. Why would he not use that logic when Bengie is back in the lineup?

Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!

by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unconditional Gritty, Veteran Gamer Love for the win!!

It trumps all other things in the Bochy-verse.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

hopefully Bengie takes that paternity leave thing soon.

by Merope on Jun 28, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Panda is the new Bengie like Lincecum is the new Tomko.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

 Agreed. Panda is the new Matt Williams. Except with more weigh and better avg.

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Panda is the new Matt Williams like Lincecum is the new Mike Krukow. Really, Sandoval’s current season is better than any full season Williams had during his entire career.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy there.

 William’s ’94 year was awesome tell the strike. He was on track to challenge the single season HR record. I will also be the first say it took Williams like 3-4 years to get things together on the MLB level.

I think the better comparison from that era might be Will Clarks first 12 months to Pandas first 12 months.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not only that but Williams was rushed to the majors and he was poorly handled in terms of the way he was shuttled back and forth.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can’t for the life of me state Panda is the new Will Clark. There can’t be another Will Clark.

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

No but his impact has been similar. When Clark came on the scene the Giants immediately became a competitive team in 86 after having the worst season in franchise history in 85 (the only time the Giants have EVER lost 100 games). The next year they made the NLCS.

Clark’s enthusiasm for the game and energy also made him a fan favorite and important cog in the team’s resurgance.

Since Pablo got called up the Giants have played over .500 ball going back to last year. He’s quickly become a fan favorite and he obviously keeps the guys loose in the clubhouse.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a clubhouse masseuse?

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

panda is the new panda.

switch-hitter who bats for high average and has now shown he can hit for monster power.
switch thrower that plays first, third, and catcher (and can play these positions, not just qualify for them)
absolute love for the game.
infectious positive attitude.

by sayheybk on Jun 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Needs more eye-black.

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by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

My hart gets were your are coming from.

Both however rolled into the MLB and started putting hurt on pitchers from the get go. Both come onto Giants squads with really poor "O" and ( if the Giants do turn the offense around in the next couple season) will have been the lich pin in the remaking of the offense.

or pretty much what hoobes said.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Witch King of Angmar?

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lich. You meant linchpin.

by kaliber on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

/ shuffles off to Grammar Sin Bin.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve just been playing the Baldur’s Gate series recently, otherwise, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.

by kaliber on Jun 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

No worries man.
1- it made me laugh
2- It keeps me honest.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, in that case, it’s “til,” not “tell.”

by kaliber on Jun 28, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

thank ya

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vecna

new closer. Remainder of roster to be slain and reanimated as zombies.

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by natteringnabob on Jun 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Panda > Will Clark – first twelve months.

by khenderson on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Williams 94 and 95 seasons say hello. He also was a fantastic defensive 3rd baseman. Pablo has been solid but he doesn’t touch what Williams could do over there.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Over the top much?

…Or are you saying that 1994 and 1995 weren’t full seasons?

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??

by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, really?

I guess I should have seen this coming. Anyway:

OPS+:

1993 Williams: 136.
1994 Williams: 141.
2009 Sandoval: 150.

And, OPS+ underrates OBP and overrates SLG, so a more sophisticated stat would show that the difference is even bigger.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice work.

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Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said 1995, not 1993

Williams’ OPS+ then was 176. Not a full season, though, albeit Williams still had more PA’s in ’95 (318) than Pablo does currently (276).

Anyway, the whole premise of comparing one not-quite half-season to a bunch of Matt Williams’ full seasons is pretty, well… cooky. Let’s check back at Pablo’s numbers after this season is over.

By the way, if your larger point is that Pablo is awesome, and that the way he is hitting gives Giants fans everywhere hope that their farm system may have, at long last, finally produced a legitimate major league hitter (and one with legitimate power too)—their first since one Matt Williams….. Well, I’m definitely with you on that point.

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??

by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holy crap. I had no idea Panda was hitting that well. It’s really too bad that the NL is stacked at third this year because I’d love to see Pablo in the ASG.

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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s just keep him out of the MSG.

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by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling he might get in. He’s been on a huge surge of late. I think Wright and Zimmerman go for sure (unless Washington sends Dunn instead) I think Pablo sneaks in either as the last guy or they just pick him as a reserve…

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is the NL really stacked at 3rd? There’s David Wright and maybe Greg Reynolds and Chipper Jones. Pablo is hitting better than all of them, although Wright will get voted in as the starter since he’s a NY guy.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You also have Zimmerman, who will likely be the rep for the Nats. At most 3 third basemen will make the team and it’s as much about past performance as current, which is why Chipper has a very good shot. I bet it’s Wright, Zim and Chipper. So it’s not so much that the league is stacked, as there are several guys (Aramis Ramirez has been hurt almost all year) with greater name recognition than Pablo.

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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunn could easily be the Nats rep…

Arizona’s could be Haren. Though Reynolds has the dingerz.

Chipper could go, but they could also take Vazquez or Lowe or Escobar. McCann as well…obviously.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zimmerman will be the sentimental favorite as a long time Nats player rather than the 1st year Dunn. Plus, dude had a 30 game hitting streak.

by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

sentimental favorite? I doubt Charlie Manuel cares about that. Zimmerman doesn’t lead the Nats in any significant offensive categories.

Meanwhile Sandoval is CLEARLY the Giants best hitter and one of the best hitters in the NL this year.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

look, we all hope sandoval gets in, but he is one of 5 players who have a decent shot to get in. add that to the fact that the Giants will likely have at least 2 other reps (cain and lincecum) and he may not get in.

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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants have the 2nd best record in the NL, they could easily have 5 reps at the game.

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think many people around the sport believe the Giants are the second-best team, by talent, in the league. I know I don’t.

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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

but the thing is

they have been the 2nd best team, by result, in the league so far.

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by Viliphied on Jun 28, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I’m saying though, is if we get 4 or 5 all stars, the people in other parts of the country can’t really complain.. If this were last year though and we were one of the worst teams and still had 4 or 5 all stars, then it would seem weird.

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

’cuz like, you know, the Redsux and the Wankees never – and I mean NEVER have more than 1 or 2 players at the all-star game.

by Merope on Jun 29, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You weren’t lying about the midwest humidity. I’ve never felt more tired after a day of work.

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by Giant among Angels on Jun 28, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. If you measure strictly by the 25 man you are in the 79 wins camp with Lars, and I, but the what above league average talent the’09 Giants have is way, way above league average. I think most teams know that as well.

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by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

He plays third and he’s been one of the best defensive third basemen in the league this year. Compared to Dunn, who is a horrible defensive OF, I think Zimm will make it over him.

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by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the coaches and players have no fucking clue about defensive metrics nor do they care when it comes to picking the AS game players. Fans don’t care either.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but Zimmerman has a gold glove reputation.

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by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

plus

He’s MUCH better than Dunn.

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by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree I’m just guessing Dunn’s HR total will get him in. And he’s also more of a marquee name than Zimmerman.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

if anyone gave a shit about Dunn HRs

he would have made the ASG every year of his career. But since people seem to have a huge problem with his BA, I doubt he’s even in the conversation…especially since he’s an outfielder.

by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Idk he might get in. NL OF is pretty barren.

Beltran will probably be too injured to play.

Pence might go? Who else? Ibanez is hurt.

Braun is a lock. Upton too hopefully. Hawpe.

Dunn is 6th in NL OF’s in OPS. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he in fact made the team…

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's always high in OPS

everybody hates him so he’s never going to get in

by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

He doesn't love baseball

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sitting down?

Does Rowand start getting serious consideration. He has an established reputation, a following from back east. He is not kill us with the glove (often) and currently has a 120 OPS+. I think only Kemp at 127 OPS+ and Beltran 151 OPS+ is higher in the NL for a CF.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

it could help that pablo can play first and catch in a pinch as well— late game roster flexibility can be key for the All Star Game.

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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 28, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

nobody gives a shit about winning the ASG. It is completely political. Don’t let the commercial fool you.

by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

But it can helpful to have a guy that you can move arround the diamand so more people and make an appearance in the game.

I think if Panda makes it it is because the manager adds him.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

And we cany disrespect his .688 OPS

by krazybalr on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

With any manager besides Big Head this would not be a question.

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Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

damnit, its Melonhead!

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's HHHIIEEEAADD.

It is like a orange on a toothpick.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully Bruce doesn't read MCC

He’ll be cryin’ himself to sleep on his HYEEEEGE pillow.

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??

by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe he can make good use of his weather system

Lincecum, Cain and pray for Bruce Bochy’s planetoid to develop rain?

by Viva Jon Miller on Jun 28, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

damnit, it's Boulderskull!

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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

Fred Lewis is missing…

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by natteringnabob on Jun 28, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone know what our record is in games where Molina doesn’t start?

by positiveuphemism on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

Great question..

Bengie does have 2 game winning hits though when he came off the bench

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think KNBR said something about Giants being 5-2 when Whiteside is behind the plate. Zito has some good starts with Panda catching as well…

by russian.tank on Jun 28, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Giants package one of their relievers along with Fred Lewis and a pitching prospect would they be able to trade for a quality bat?

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Which pitching prospect?

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by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

anything from a Joey Martinez, Kevin Pucetas, Daryl Maday, Clayton Tanner, Eric Surkamp etc etc etc

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends what you define as “quality” bat.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

took a Louisville Slugger to both headlights

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

/pukes

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by rhys on Jun 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by Useful_Idiot on Jun 28, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice, Natto. I rec’d.

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by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

stop with the idiocy

relievers like the Giants have are fungible. Why do you people believe our medicore players are going to get talent?

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by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its science

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by RDreamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

THIS. I have no clue. :(

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

A bat? yes. A quality Bat? no.

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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did not get to see or hear any of this game

Of course Sadowski dominates. Did he pitch as well as the box score said? And does this mean he is the new 5th starter? I dont like being out of the loop.

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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

No, he gave up more walks than K’s, and got a bit lucky on balls in play. And his minor league numbers are very bad. He is not the answer.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

It was a good performance, and the groundball rate was mildly encouraging, but I’d be shocked if this can persist.

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by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s an answer by any means, but the thought that a pitcher can’t succeed if he doesn’t have great strikeout stuff pisses me the fuck off. Hundreds of pitchers have made great careers in this sport over the years without having to rack up a bunch of K’s. Hundreds is really an understatement too when you account for all the pitchers who had great success before guys with power stuff started to make waves.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Name one pitcher who was anything short of horrendous who didn’t have more K’s than BB’s. One.

Seriously dude, what are you talking about? He gave up more BB’s than K’s, which is not good. His minor league numbers are also not good. Who said anything about great strikeout stuff?

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Scratch that his career Ks is higher, thought it was relatively close.

by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Avery had WAY above average control for the most part (before has broken at least) and an average or better K rate most of the time.

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Avery had WAY above average control for the most part (before he was broken at least) and an average or better K rate most of the time.

by xanthan on Jun 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

More readable spam is still spam!

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I’m going to send you a Juan Uribe bobblehead in the mail. Just you wait.

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I'd send you a Bochy

but I cannot get it out of my front door.

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by zenbitz on Jun 29, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I only remember bits of his career so it was just a tad off.

by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s one start. He likely wouldn’t have more BB per K for his career, but it probably won’t be a big discrepancy either.

If he pitches like Kirk Rueter I’ll take it.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

For every Kirk Rueter, there’s 10,000 other pitchers who weren’t so lucky.

by xanthan on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

And to be fair, the Ump had a pretty small strikezone and Sadowski definitely doesn’t have the stuff to throw middle-in. Sanchez definitely does but when you keep throwing the same thing repeatedly you’ll get the blowup inning.

by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless you are a premiere pitcher, you really shouldn’t throw middle in. Most ML hitters can smash those types of pitches. Sanchez’s problem is he doesn’t have the control to hit the corners consistently and often catches way too much of the plate.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I said is that he gave up more walks than K’s, and that his minor league numbers are bad. I assumed that your comment about strike out stuff was a response to the first part. If you were responding to the second part – do you disagree that his minor league numbers are bad?

And Kirk Rueter had much better MiLB numbers than Sadowski.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

His minor league numbers certainly aren’t great but they’re not horrific either. I don’t think he’s the answer but I’m not opposed to keeping him as the #5 guy for now. His MiLB numbers are similar to Palmer’s, if not better in some areas.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

A 1.84 K/BB from a 26 y-o repeating AAA who doesn’t even get groundballs is pretty damn bad. And Matt Palmer is a bad pitcher.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

No shit. But all 5th starters are BAD pitchers. You get what you can. If pitching was such a great abundance then every team would have it. I’m not calling the guy a future Cy Young award winner here or even any real answer to anything.

But here is what I know, he did his job and he did it better than Sanchez has all year long. And the Giants got a W, that’s all that really matters.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Giants can’t afford to have a bad pitcher and still make the play offs.. Our fifth starter needs to be about league average (which still means he will have a losing record)

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not calling the guy a future Cy Young award winner here or even any real answer to anything.

Then why are you arguing? All my original comment said was that in spite of this game, Sadowski isn’t the answer.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

AND I AGREED! If you had any reading comprehension you might understand that. All I was arguing about was the BB/K rate thing. It’s one game, with an anal umpire and that pitcher’s don’t need to K 8 guys a game to be effective. Especially as a 5th starter. The key is that while he’s not the answer, he did pitch well at least for today.

I know that he earned another opportunity and that I would prefer to not see Sanchez back in the rotation for awhile, if ever.

That’s the predicament the Giants are in. Their solutions for that spot are other guys like Sadowski, like Sadler (fuck no) or Pucetas. Or rushing up Tim 2 or Mad Bum. All of them are not ideal situations, just as keeping Sanchez in the rotation is not ideal when he clearly is not comfortable or effective in that role, where he struggles just to get to 5 innings.

If Sadowski can be effective than its great for the Giants. If he gets another start and gets bombed than oh well, they HAD to try something else.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

All I was arguing about was the BB/K rate thing. It’s one game, with an anal umpire and that pitcher’s don’t need to K 8 guys a game to be effective.

K/BB is not a measure of strikeout stuff. That would be K/9 or K%. Plenty of pitchers succeed without striking a lot of hitters out. They do it by not walking a lot of people, or by getting a ton of groundballs, or by limiting their BABIP with some wierd knuckleball/curve ball. Sadowski has no ability to do any of those things. That’s why Sadowski is not going to be good, or even decent – not because he doesn’t have great stuff/doesn’t K 8 guys per 9 inning.

I’d rather let Sanchez keep starting, since he’s actually had success in the minors and even put up a 3.85 FIP in the majors last year. Right now we’d be wasting him in the bullpen, since I can’t see Bochy rating him above Wilson, Romo, Affeldt, or even Howry, which means he’d just be a middle reliever.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

At what point does past minor league success continue to be a factor for anything? I mean really, Sanchez is IN the majors now and has been full time for the past 2 years. He has a career ERA over 5, and he has struggled in a starting role. Sure he has a few outings where he’s been lights out, but he has poor command and struggles to get through the lineup a 2nd and 3rd time. Since we’re talking walks, look at Sanchez’s BB/9. If he didn’t have decent stuff he would be in Fresno right now. That’s the only reason he’s in the majors still.

The bullpen is exactly where he needs to be. For how long, who knows. He threw more off-speed pitches today in one inning than I’ve seen him throw when he starts. He actually SHOWED a feel for a changeup today that we’ve NEVER seen from him, ever. He obviously needs to work on some things, and he couldn’t do that if we kept relying on him as a starter ever 5th day. He simply has not been effective this year. Hopefully this move will help him become the pitcher we all know he is capable of being.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Give ‘em hell, Hobbes. I’m with you.

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by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

At what point does past minor league success continue to be a factor for anything? I mean really, Sanchez is IN the majors now and has been full time for the past 2 years. He has a career ERA over 5, and he has struggled in a starting role.

He was good in the majors for most of last year before he ran out of gas. Overall his FIP was 3.85, like I said, which is pretty good.

If he didn’t have decent stuff he would be in Fresno right now. That’s the only reason he’s in the majors still.

Well, yeah. If Cain didn’t have a good fastball, he wouldn’t be good either. He does, though, so I don’t see why it matters.

I agree that Sanchez’s future might be in the bullpen, especially if Bumgarner and Alderson work out, but for now I’d rather keep him in the rotation. We’re contending, and he’s our best option right now.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last year was last year. This year Sanchez’s FIP is 4.74. His K/9, BB/9, K/BB, HR/9, AVG, and BABIP are all worse than last year.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right. Sanchez has had some success in the past, looked like a major league pitcher last year, but so far this year has been bad. Sadowski hasn’t had a good minor league season since (or before) 2005, and so far this year he’s been pretty bad in AAA, in his second year there, as a 26 y-o. I just don’t see any reason to think that he can be better than Sanchez.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t take that great a pitcher to do better than 2-8 with a 5+ ERA and whip just under 2. Look at the guys the Giants dumped that are putting up better numbers than that. I really don’t want to see Dirty lose 16-20 games, its time to try something else

by m34josh on Jun 28, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like you said, his FIP, which is much better than ERA at predicting future performance, is 4.74. Sadowski’s FIP is 4.55, in AAA. His MLE is 5.57.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’re talking about PREDICTIONS. I could predict it might rain tomorrow and then again it may not.

Just ride the hot hand. Do you agree Sadowski at least earned another start or two? Is it worth finding out that he may be able to pitch effectively enough to be our 5th starter until a better solution can be found?

Because THIS SEASON Sanchez hasn’t earned his spot. And I don’t see why trying other people in his place is a bad thing. Even if they PROJECT to be just as bad or worse. They will never know if someone can do a better job unless they try. Compound that with 2 ex-Giants who had similar projections to Sadowski are outperforming Sanchez this year for other teams, and I’d say it’s worth a try.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen

This is one of my biggest pet peeves among the hardcore sabermetrics crowd. Why is that when BtBS projects the Giants as the 3rd worst team it’s a joke, yet when Sanchez throws up a terrible game people cite projections as facts.

by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just to throw a little bone to the BtBS crowd.

 Really all that system is saying is if you ran the exact talent through say 50 seasons this is the number that would result the most often. They are not saying this is the only number that will result after 162 games. Even they will tell you there is a wide amount of results from the highest and lowest scores if you could play 50 seasons with the exact same talent.

I do get the irritation at the people that think the Pythagorean numbers are god derived and think " thus it was written and thus it will be". But the reality of the sport is we only need to get lucky in one 162 game season ,not 20 seasons, to get into a play off.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not a matter of earning anything, it’s who you think gives you the best chances of winning. What’s your point, that we can’t predict the future? Yeah, so we might as well skip Lincecum and let Sadler start, because maybe he’ll be better. That’s not how it works – you pick the player who you think is the most likely to do well. I think that’s Sanchez. I’m not going to ignore hundreds of bad innings from Sadowski just because he had one decent start.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about the hundreds of bad innings from Sanchez in the majors? He’s been just as bad as Sadowski is PROJECTED to be.

You don’t skip Lincecum because he’s actually good. Sanchez is not. And we’ve seen Sadler in the majors, and he is BAD. Just like Sanchez. Sanchez doesn’t give the Giants a good chance to win. He has trouble going 5 innings. He walks a shitload of batters, and he has an career ERA over 5. More often then not when he pitches the Giants LOSE. Giants are 21-29 in Sanchez’s career when he starts a game. 3-10 THIS YEAR.
And let’s not forget he is HORRIBLE for his career in the 2nd half. So it likely wouldn’t get any better. His 2nd half ERA is 7.46 in 100 IP.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

insert selective end point joke here

by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

21-29 isn't as bad as I thought it'd be

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just a comment

Saying

Giants are 21-29 in Sanchez’s career when he starts a game.
is a little unfair, seeing that A) the Giants as a team had a losing record last year, and B) I really doubt most teams have a winning record when their fifth starter is pitching. He’s the fifth starter for a reason. Also, the Giants have only scored 3 runs or more in 6 of his 13 starts this year. Compare that to the Giants scoring 3+ runs in 12 of Timmy’s starts, 11 of Cain’s starts, or 9 of Randy’s or Zito’s starts. The offense isn’t exactly giving the team a “good chance to win” either when Sanchez takes the mound.

/rereads

I’m not entirely sure what I’m trying to say here. Just throwing some observations out, I guess.

Watch out San... oh, wait, Sadowski... uncle Pucetas is comin' for you.

by Sammy Danger on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

other than this year, he’s always played for shitty ass teams.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

True and yet the team’s record when he starts is the worst it has ever been THIS season.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

First you try to dismiss his minor league numbers. Then, when major league numbers are cited, you try to dismiss those.

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by thehavenot on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d narrow the parameters to RHP who don’t throw a knuckler or a crazy sinker in the modern era. Fishface Humphrey or something probably threw 400 innings of three-strikeout ball in 1909, lefties like Rueter/Zito can hover around 100 ERA+ without purty peripherals, and knuckleballers and sinkerballers are knuckleballers and sinkerballers.

But RHP with a standard assortment of pitches in 2009? There’s no way to make it with a wretched K/BB ratio if the K/9 is average or below..

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 28, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sadowski is a sinkerballer is he not? He’s not exactly Bill Swift or Derek Lowe, but I don’t see the harm in letting him pitch for a little bit. Got to get what you can out of those guys while you can. MOST sinkerballers don’t last long. They don’t consistently have their sinker working, and often lack quality secondary pitches. We all remember what happened to Scott Munter once he stopped being able to throw his sinker effectively.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s not a sinkerballer, or at least not a good one – his minor league GB rates are below average.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously or else he might actually be a prospect. You aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh?
Hobbes2d: Sadowski is a sinkerballer is he not?
Cookyman: He’s not a sinkerballer.
Hobbes2d: You aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

My brain hurts

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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

He pitched very well. Tight K-Zone, was around the plate. Moved the ball to different quadrants of the zone. Changed speeds really well. Fielded his position very well. Even got a base hit off Suppan. Has nice composure on the mound too.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was one pitch away from disaster a couple of times, but he did what he had to do. I wouldn’t mind him getting another start in five days at all. Let’s not also forget that Miller Park is a bandbox and the Brewers have plenty of big boys that can easily reach the seats.

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by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cain has also been one pitch away from disaster in most games. The fact that he got out of those situations is a pretty big deal.

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.

by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

This can be said of any pitcher….it’s called PITCHING for a reason. It’s a skill. Some guys even make it into an art form.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ski is the man. Undefeated.

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh god

the flat earth crowd drives me nuts.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

On being 1 ptich away from disater

When your team has trouble scoring 3 runs in 9 innings and the defense is not all that good ANY pitcher spends a lot of time being 1 pitch away from disaster.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems obvious to me

that the Giants saw something in his pitching that wasn’t necessarily reflective of his stats. He pitched a great game against an ump with a small strike zone, and some premier power hitters. Give the kid a chance before you rule him out. Plus, he hustles on defense, always refreshing.

by Kaizre on Jun 28, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was also the first time Milwaukee has been shut out at home this season. No small feat.

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by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Brewers are now 0-4 against guys making their major league debut.. It sounds like they rely on scouting to hit well.

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mariners up 4-0 vs Bums top of 5th

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions  

If Winn were to be traded to another quasi contender (Atlanta, Cincy, Mets, etc.) in a salary dump type move that brought back a marginal prospect but allowed Bowker to play every day, would you be happy with the move?

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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I would be, but they’re not going to do it. Trading Winn so that Bowker can play is a move that non contenders make, not contenders, and since the Giants’ consider themselves contenders right now they wouldn’t do this.

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by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??

by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Until further notice, we can assume that Bowker is a disaster in the field and his bat might not be enough better to make up for it.

by thethrillisgone on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

huh?

Did i miss something in minor lines? I better go check.

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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Jun 28, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Say what?

He would, or should, play a corner OF spot when he comes back up, not 1st base, and most account’s I’v read say is his arm is fine and his fielding is not bad at all. The only rub is he has mostly played RF in the minors and RF at Mays Field is a whole differnt animal.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

my concern would be CF. While I love the hustle by Andres Torres they Giants would not have a suitable replacement for ARowand.

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do we need a suitable replacement for ARowand? Winn played today in CF, but Torres has been getting more non-rowand starts and I don’t see that stopping anytime soon.

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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possible Injury?

If Rowand were to go down with an injury would you feel comfortable with Torres being the everyday CF? I would not. And there is zero on the farm.

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on the length of time. A month of less? I would be.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

and Velez gets his second chance.

by khenderson on Jun 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

back in your day you could have been the man

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would rather the stick Lewis out there.
and that idea frightens me as well.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Torres could be a league-average CF.

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 28, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you there

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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe a bit below the league average, but he wouldn’t be a Timpner-style offensive disaster.

by Grant Brisbee on Jun 28, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think, unless he cut his K-rate down, he’d probably be about a .320/.400 hitter in CF. Which isn’t great but if he’s a plus defender, it would work for a little while until we found something better.

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by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like your view better than mine.

Just a guess (from the ArseTronic 2000) but I think he would be around a 300 OBP / 365 SLG with prolonged exposure play time. I would still take that with well above average "D" in center as a caretaker.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you're dreaming

31 year old journeymen don’t turn into 2 win players. Torres is the latest guy who had a hot streak in sprint training that the Giants have fallen in love with; its a bad pattern. The idea that he should be getting AB’s instead of Lewis genuinely horrifies me.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No more ABs for Fred this year

can’t swing a bat inside a doghouse.

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by natteringnabob on Jun 28, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well for Torres has played well when given time. Should he start everyday? Hell no. But I have no problem with him getting playing time vs LHP or to spell Rowand or Winn on an off-day. He does his job well for a 5th OF.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

They don't?

Just in recent years, say hello to guys like Carlos Pena, Russell Branyan, and Jason Werth. I’m not at all saying Torres will do the same (or that he should be starting now), but to make a blanket statement about ballplayers in their prime not being able to finally put it all together after years of struggling with injuries, lack of playing time, and lack of confidence is just silly when we have evidence to the contrary throughout the history of baseball. Now is the time that the Giants should take chances on diamonds in the rough. I believe this is still a rebuilding year.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 28, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

None of those guys were quite that old or had as spotty a track record as Torres does.

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by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah they were all top prospects at one time or another.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Rowand gets hurt, this team isn’t making the playoffs. He is the second-best hitter on a bad offensive team. There is no one in the organization that can replace his combination of offense and defense (which, to the eye, seems to have improved since last year). Really, the Giants need so many breaks to make the playoffs that worrying about suitable replacements in the short-term is rather silly. An injury to any of the team’s five best players ruins any chances of making the post-season.

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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be super happy to see an outfield of Bowker, Neal, Schierholz, and Kieschnick.

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

you can see all them

you just got to travel a little. Fresno plays in Sacramento July 1 2 3

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Still yelling "Go, Antoan"

by foothillsfan on Jun 28, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, you can only see one in Fresno

Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.

by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

4 man outfield

But I guess you need four when you don’t have a center fielder.

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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Jun 28, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

sign me up.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I was curious what the reaction would be. I agree with rxmeister, but the idea does intrigue me. I guess it comes down to how much you value defense in LF, since that is where Winn is playing now and Bowker would probably play LF is he were to start and Nate was with the team.

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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

It should be ( the knwoing HIEAD it will not be) a matter of realy good “D” and only being able to hit from one side of the plate vs almost O.K. “D” and being able to crush a ball. The later is something the ’09 Giants can really use.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

YES!

Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!

by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

For this season, I’d still want the 3 outfielders to be Rowand, Sicherholtz, and Lewis and maybe the right hitting sluging outfilder this trade returns.

co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obvious but great nickname

The KNBR guys were calling him “The Big Sadowski.”

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by achiappanza on Jun 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Mike Sadowski!

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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha, I kept saying Wazowski too!

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by NateisGreat on Jun 28, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love wins

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by Yoyo on Jun 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank god Matt Downs’ first HR wasn’t caught by this retard ballhawk.

by Ed Jew on Jun 28, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions  

lol

What’s funny is that 204 balls @ 15 bucks each is actually some value.

by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

New tagline

The new tagline from this site should be …

McCovey Chronicles: Hindsight is 20/20, Barry Bonds is 40/40

by StickRat on Jun 28, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

40/40 is worse than 20/20… Wait, I see what you did there.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I say it should be McCovey Chronicles: Hack at Slop.

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, either way it doesn’t really sing. Maybe if there was a clever 30/30 something to go in the middle.

by StickRat on Jun 28, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

like a shotgun?

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 28, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anybody watching Mets v. Yanks?

Livan’s pitchin’

by Merope on Jun 28, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

We don’t have a winning pitcher.

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.

by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions  

wut

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by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

WAIT

I see what you mean.

RYAN SADOWSKI IS JUST A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION.

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bursts of joyful screams drowned out the rap music blaring in the clubhouse as players performed ritual beer showers upon Sadowski and second baseman Matt Downs, who hit his first Major League homer in the sixth inning.

Whatever works against rap music is all right with me.

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by victor frankenstein on Jun 28, 2009 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

With the hippin and a hoppin, and the bippin and the boppin!

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 29, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gerald Posey taking another day off for San Jose

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

That makes me sad.

However, the big number next to Neal’s name in the AVG column makes me happy. Move both of them up already!

by m34josh on Jun 28, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont know if this was mentioned

But Sadowski is kinda goofy looking. Great job getting a win though.

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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

if he keeps winning he could look like the Elephant Man and I wouldn’t mind

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who gave Sadowsky the shaving cream pie in the face?? It looked like it was Cain.

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

OT

If anyone was planning on upgrading from Vista to Windows 7, MS is doing a preorder sale for half off on upgraded versions with several retailers. So you could get it for about 50 bucks until July 11th.

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 5:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Hi PC

I’m a Mac

Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles

by Useful_Idiot on Jun 28, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

is that last one...

Bjarne Stroustrup?

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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Jun 28, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

YOU"RE MY BOY BLUE!

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by Viliphied on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

All we are is dust in the wind…..

by m34josh on Jun 28, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m probably going to get that.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

From reading, people who have the beta version of Windows 7 say it’s better than Vista.

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve installed it and have been pretty impressed with it.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

FWIW I didn’t think Vista is really all that bad.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have a Vista installed computer. I’ve never had any issues with it. A little irritated with asking for access on the user access control. But other than that, I didn’t find too many problems not even problems with memory (but I have a 3 GB).

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Windows 7

more pretty stuff than Vista, more performance than XP

by Link on Jun 29, 2009 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sadowski looks like ...

a young Bud Cort of “Harold and Maude” cira 1971

by daniel9 on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Yay :-(owski


Looks like a pretty generic arsenal. He was throwing a 2-seam, a slider, and a curveball. I’m running through some more graphs, but I’ll share them tomorrow after I get some sleep. He had some decent horizontal movement on his fastball at times.

/goes to bed

by xanthan on Jun 28, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

so his fastball is working in the high 80's, occasionally reaching 91-92 or so?

and there’s limited break on his curve. an interesting start, but nothing there screams “Future regular”.

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good for Sadowski. I’m happy that he did well today. It was also awesome to see Downs and Schierholtz hitting.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 28, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions  

K-Rod just walked MARIANO RIVERA with the bases loaded

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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

LOL

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I LOVE IT

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

That hard swing he took scared K-Rod

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shoulda walked Teix too.. didn't look like he swung

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

rofl

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 28, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was fantastic.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

One of the coolest things I’ve seen in a while. I was gonna say it was cool after he swung for the fences, but it was even better he drew a walk.

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since the Castillo-bounce non catch.

co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.

by kennv on Jun 28, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Burkett

Nice job, Sadowski—reminds me a lot of John Burkett.

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

by greatgiantfan on Jun 28, 2009 8:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Sweet

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

get the 22yr old kid out of AZL and into a men’s league

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers

it appears that it’s backslide time for the smogers as their weak starting pitching is beginning to show, which will then degrade their bullpen.

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

by greatgiantfan on Jun 28, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

They’ve given up the 2nd fewest runs in the league..

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

sure, but that’s history

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

by greatgiantfan on Jun 28, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

not gonna lie, i hope the manny media-circus just absolutely obliterates their concentration over the long-haul, and that sitting either Juan Pierre or Ethier turns their bats ice cold.

by sayheybk on Jun 28, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Pierre goes on the trade market. Too valuable an asset to have on the bench.

Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.

by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Dodgers have gone on record saying that they’re not trading Pierre.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

4th outfielders who can play anywhere are extremely valuable to a contending team.. No reason to trade him

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Totally, and especially with Ramirez in LF and Pierre as a defensive replacement.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 29, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

They won't sit Eithier

It’s Pierre to the bench

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

We can dream.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 29, 2009 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'D like to degrade their bullpen a little.

Get me 6 Costco bottles (buckets) of tequila, 3 cases of Advil, ten pounds of Red Vines, and plenty of ice. HowTheyScored, bring the car around. We’re going to Los Angeles.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 28, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

You do not need to do a thing except sit back and watch Torre overuse his bullpen

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

But then you could say the Giants will slide back due to their weak hitting (other than Pablo).

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dunno, i see the Giants improving pretty much across the board as the season progresses. Schierholtz and Ishikawa, Rowand has picked it up, Winn is due for a hot streak, and Pablo of course…

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

by greatgiantfan on Jun 29, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am kinda here

Barring injury if the Big Head starts shiftting the coldest bast out of the top 4-5 spots this team could keep scoreing like it has so far… or even better.

For a gut wrenching experiance check out what the #2 hole has be “producing” this season so far. ( Currently 222/277/278 with 12 GiDP). Just how the heck do you lead the team in double plays from hitting in front of Molinia? Let us not talk about the abilty to supress an already weak “O” realy does not have any home run power.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Giants starting five have already thrown 70 more innings than your dodgers…

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

by greatgiantfan on Jun 28, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions  

They’re not my Dodgers.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who's Dodgers?

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

xeifrank's

Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.

by GiantBrass on Jun 28, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol banned

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was going to compare the 2009 Giants (i.e. good pitching and bad hitting) to the 1988 Dodgers but when I looked up their stats from 1988, the Dodgers didn’t hit but neither did the entire NL. Dodgers batted .248 as a team but the league average was .249.

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 9:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Wins are good, winz are great, Winns are unrated

Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right

by Giant among Angels on Jun 28, 2009 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

What about Wynns?

THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).

by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jun 28, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wynns build casinos.

GROUGTHINK ALERT

by groug on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Early Wynn Wins Games

My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!

by nvsfg on Jun 29, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gots to love the Rookie

Ryan Sadowski went through. First game? Great impression. I think Sanchez will be a good fit in the bullpen.

by justinleagueheroes on Jun 28, 2009 10:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Starting Pitchers

If Sadowski can keep this performance up, in my opinion, the Giants have the best rotation in the league. Even though they have 2 potential pitchers going to the All-Star Game. Don’t forget to vote!

by justinleagueheroes on Jun 28, 2009 10:48 PM PDT reply actions  

VOTE FOR PABS!

Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!

by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

he doesn’t have to all he needs to do is perform better than Sanchez did. If he can pitch 5/6 innings a start and have his team win more than 3 times in 12 starts then he surpasses El Guapo

by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’ll even get another start.

by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

by SFGuy on Jun 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should quit while he’s ahead

Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)

by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

holy crap, it’s so dark in here

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

by greatgiantfan on Jun 29, 2009 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

this

Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.

by Aadik on Jun 29, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

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