Game Recap: The Giants Salvage One Against the Brewers
by Grant on Jun 28, 2009 1:59 PM PDT
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Obviously. Of course. Should have known.
Should have known. The Brewers call up an unknown pitcher from the bowels of their system, and he dominates the Giants. Well, I shouldn't write "dominates" -- it isn't as if he was striking every one out. Nope, it was a ball-in-play fest, with liberal sprinklings of ill-timed double plays. If I had a nickel for every time the Giants were overmatched by a non-prospect this season, I'd have about $.30. And I'd use it to feed the meter in front of the bar I'm going to drink at to forget about the Giants. This is getting ri...
Wait, the Giants were the ones who benefitted from a random spot start from a random minor leaguer?
I'd thank the universe, but I'd like to think that we were owed this one. Good job, Ryan.
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Ryan Sadowski
My favorite Polish player.
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pablo Sandoval
My favorite PandaBearish player.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Wilson
My favorite jagoff.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not see the gameday thread. So I don’t know how many are ahead of me in saying “Sadowski is 5th starter, Sanchez is a useful reliever, some guy with initial M is on his way to Fresno”
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And by useful.. Sanchez is a dirty reliever. Trade Wilson and use Sanchez/Romo as the closer
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that combo
What the Rays showed us last year is that a situational closer combo can be just as effective as one guy. Sanchez and Romo would be what JP Howell and Grant Balfour are to the Rays: effective pitchers who failed as starters but have great stuff to be shut down relievers.
by objesguy on Jun 28, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have more faith in Affeldt/Romo. Sanchez has yet to prove he can do anything in pressure situations and he walks alot
by m34josh on Jun 28, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s a great plan. Sanchez doesn’t have the head to deal with being a starter, so let’s have him close games for the first time ever. Better yet, let’s have him close during the second half of the season in the first “pennant race” he’s ever been involved in. Hey, he was effective in the ninth inning, who cares that the Giants were leading 7-0? And after that, we’ll let Sanchez perform spinal surgery on Noah Lowry, just for fun! Let’s play!
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 28, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I laughed. Good job, guy.
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
by Karlifornia on Jun 29, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Sanchez' arm
that’s the problem with him starting, not his head. He just can’t throw <100 pitches in 5 innings.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 29, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no on Mad Bum, Keep him in AA for a while
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he means either Justin Miller or Branden Medders
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. I thought he meant with the starter spot opening up in Fresno, Mad Bum should be moved to AAA
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
Martinez is on his way back
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3RD STARTER (In Fresno) AT BEST
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we're still owed
but this one was nice
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good signs on Sanchez. Give him a week or 2 in the pen, it will do him some good.
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
or a season.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."
by BrianBokake on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d prefer not to see Sanchez start again for a long time. Or ever. Maybe he just needs the Affeldt treatment. Promising starter prospect who can’t get it done and moves to the pen to become an elite set-up man. Or even closer down the line…
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our Post all Star break shedule was differnt I would agree.
But it isn’t so i don’t
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t doubt we’ll bring up Tim 2 or MadBum for that. Just a hunch….
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before Sept?
I really doubt that. Even with the Bocockian front office.
If one of those two starts throwing every 5 day and completely owning AA I’ll change my tune. Tell then, Nah.
I would expect those 2 to throw in any MiL Post season series their teams ( right now Sj & Conn maybe Fresno) get into so I doubt they will be up Sept 1.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless There is a major injury to the staff, we probably wont see them (or one of them) until possibly September
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t underestimate a desperate franchise that hasn’t made the playoffs in 6 years to bring up a top prospect to help them make a push for the postseason. Especially in a shitty economy in an effort to increase ticket sales. Also both the manager and GM are vying for contract extensions, and a new managing general partner who wants to establish himself.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if one is to be promoted it would seem to be Madison Bumgarner. If Bumgarner was promoted would then think he would not be used as a starter but rather a reliever – see KRod2002 or DPrice2008
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Krod was a reliever the whole year before he got pulled up.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lived through the Giants teams of the 70’s. This last rough patch has nothing on fustration and desperation on them or the early 80’s squads.
So maybe your right in that my pain level is higher than those making the choices. Or maybe they have been through enough baseball seasons to have higher pain threshold than I.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday is the past!
We didn’t crumble; we came back and made a statement!
by positiveuphemism on Jun 28, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Frandsen is not in the Fresno lineup today. Will he be the Rich Aurilia bereavement replacement?
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought Sadowski was
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadowski was called up when aurilia was placed on leave
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Giants carry a 13 man pitching staff though
so somebody on the Bullpen goes
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in replacing Aurilia he also went 1-3 batting. Aurilia has been replaced.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did try to bunt with the bases loaded and it wasn’t a squeeze play
Let's bring the...
by Swager on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is talking about bengie i think
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez for All Star team!
Looks as if he found his niche. I also saw Pablo was removed due to a stomach virus…hope that crap isn’t spread around!
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol crap spread around.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez in a Catch 22
Sanchez probably thinks if he pitches well in relief he’ll get back in the rotation. More probably it will convince the Giants that he’s best as a reliever.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that ship as already sailed. Medium term (say 18 months and more) I beat the front office plans call for one of Madison or Tim2 to be the #5 spot of the Giants rotation. If Sanchez wants to start it will probably be with a different team after that. If he wants to stay Giant he will be in the ‘Pen.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should fake a plane crash and flee to Sweden.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Argentina. I hear some cool stuff happens there.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think all that beer and cheese in milwaukee tempted big panda a little too much
by brandollars on Jun 28, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pablo's fingers are fine, thanks.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 28, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much better today
Nice job by the rookie. The way to beat this Brewer team is to throw a guy out there who is making his MLB debut. If Im not mistaken, thats 3 pitchers this year making their debut who have beat the Brewers.
Extra nice to win with the B squad as well while the Brewers threw out their best. Should have been 2 of 3.
by backtocali on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The b squad
is the new A squad
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, not a math major
but in this case B=A
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadowski said he had heard rumors that his contract would be bought out by a Japanese team so when he heard his contract was purchased on Friday, he was a little surprised it was by the Giants.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact - That's the first time all year the Giants have used a starter other than their top 5
That’s one of the lucky breaks that will come back to bite us at some point this year.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Our starters have been really healthy for years. In part due to youth, but also due to good training and conditioning.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah is the big exception.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah is weird too. Because I think he pitched through injuries and didn’t tell the Giants training staff about them. Then he elected to not have surgery despite what the Giants wanted to do, which eventually lead to surgery later, and then the misdiagnosis.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ainsworth too, though that was a weird injury.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, we’ve been pretty lucky with trading away pitchers who end up haveing serious injuries afterwords.
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be pretty awesome if Sanchez could come in as a closer or a fireman
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
by GiantBrass on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Most starters are initially very upset when sent to bullpen. As time passes and success is found they learn to love it. Especially since they will be collecting MLB per diem and meal monies.
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well if you think about it
unless they are sprinkled with magic closer pixie dust, their future earnings are roughly 1/4red (fraction pulled out of my ass) as a reliever than as a starter.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 29, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fireman part is the best (only) aurgument to keeping Wilson long term I buy into.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL… Wilson the “fireman” hold the “hoes”.
by zuma420 on Jun 28, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked that game a lot more than the other two games.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
its more fun when we win!
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOORAY BASEBALL
Watch out San... oh, wait, Sadowski... uncle Pucetas is comin' for you.
by Sammy Danger on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BASEBALL IS FUN AGAIN
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadowski also said he’s worked with Eli more than any other catcher, so that definitely helped him feel comfortable today
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Sadowski
but 3 BB and 2K in 6 IP, and a 4.11 ERA in Fresno should stop us from getting that excited. There were a lot of lucky breaks here.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
shush
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he pitches better and against major hitters
by Kaizre on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Sanchez was pitching and Lewis dropped that fly ball, it would have been a 7 run inning.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought when he hit Fielder the Giants could lose.
after yesterday’s clusterf#ck and Jonathan’s “oh boy, here we go/why does this always happen to me?” Eeyore face, I would not have been surprised.
by sayheybk on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was a good game and I enjoyed watching it, but I’m thinking about Matt Kinney in that Roger Clemens game from a few years ago.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t that Brian Cooper?
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
Whoever it was, that’s who I’m thinking about.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Laskey
Minor leaguer with a plus 4 ERA, gets called up, wins 5 straight. Know your history, young pups
by Giantsfan4life on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and every year there are journeymen the step up and put it together for a couple months. Now days most often in the ’Pen but it still happens.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but this only happens to the dodgers and yankees, like aaron small, and chacon, or milton, and motherfuckingericstults
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
by TexasRanger on Jun 29, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is Ryan Jensen? And do you think the ’02 Giants get a Wild Card without his fabled season?
Just to be clear I don’t expect an entire season (170 IP) like that but a month or two would not be that out of heard of. It mighty lucky but not unheard of.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. But most 5th starters are like this. All I give a shit about is that he gave the Giants a chance to win, and was able to go 5 or 6 innings without completely failing. Something Sanchez hasn’t been able to do for us this year.
He got a lot of groundball outs and showed some aptitude for fielding his position very well.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it bad that I’m still upset about yesterday?
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Wilson catches Panda’s stomach virus BECAUSE of yesterday
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only for your health.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."
by BrianBokake on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am too.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Today should easy your pain though. this is not agame we should have expected to win.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday?
I thought the week just went Weds-Thurs-Sunday this week
Thing A
by sam23 on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The '08 Grizzlies beat the '09 Brewers
by Rorsavelt on Jun 28, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha i havn’t thought of it that way
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think now we need to trade one of Valdez/Medders/Miller/Howry for a bat….. I think the Derosa trade shows what kind of value relievers have right now and I think that part of our team is due for some regression.
by OTTOMATIC on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The reliever with value are not the ones we want to trade.
Unless somebody sees great value in Merkin Valdez.
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a Jonathan in the pen anyways….. With Affeldt being the only lefty he really will balance out our pen. Any one of the guys I mentioned above is expendable in my book if we get something back in value
by OTTOMATIC on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense but Chris Perez has way more value than any of those relievers you just listed. He’s a highly valued prospect with closer potential and is a lot younger then the journeyman relievers you just listed + one failed prospect who is now in his late 20s and has a severe injury history.
We can probably trade one of those guys for something but it won’t be for anyone good. We’re talking like for a Neifi Perez type player and nobody wants that.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question:
Is it safe to say that Nate Schierholtz is now a regular/starter?
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Until he goes into a slump
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope so! Until Neal and Kieschnick come up.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure as shit hope so. Shierholtz for president!
by Kaizre on Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can always tell who the new folks are.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only did Nate have a huge game, but that dropped flyball by Lewis has got to be the final nail in his coffin. When you’re making defensive substitutions for a guy in the sixth inning, you’re pretty much in the manager’s doghouse. The kid did a terrific job of pitching around that ball that should have been scored an error.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I was impressed with how Sadowski got out of that.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s this Sheerholds guy you speak of?
by zuma420 on Jun 28, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheer Hold ?
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 29, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
hopefully he stays hot so we can package him in some type of trade
by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can package him with Neal, Crawford, and Kieschnick for poser A.) Uggla or poser B.) Holliday
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joking right?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course!
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Lewis is the new Nate
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s Lewis?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s this Lewis guy’s last name?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 28, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's who?
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
by kennv on Jun 28, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you could have said that a week ago.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is a regular/starter, does he stay in the cleanup spot??? Hope so…
by krazybalr on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Bengie's there
And you can’t disrespect a veteran like that.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panda is the new Bengie
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree. nate would be a better 3. put panda in the cleanup spot.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything to get Bengie out of the cleanup spot!!!
by krazybalr on Jun 28, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bochy said that Nate hit cleanup because he wanted his hottest hitter behind Pablo. That actually makes sense. Why would he not use that logic when Bengie is back in the lineup?
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unconditional Gritty, Veteran Gamer Love for the win!!
It trumps all other things in the Bochy-verse.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully Bengie takes that paternity leave thing soon.
by Merope on Jun 28, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panda is the new Bengie like Lincecum is the new Tomko.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Panda is the new Matt Williams. Except with more weigh and better avg.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panda is the new Matt Williams like Lincecum is the new Mike Krukow. Really, Sandoval’s current season is better than any full season Williams had during his entire career.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy there.
William’s ’94 year was awesome tell the strike. He was on track to challenge the single season HR record. I will also be the first say it took Williams like 3-4 years to get things together on the MLB level.
I think the better comparison from that era might be Will Clarks first 12 months to Pandas first 12 months.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that but Williams was rushed to the majors and he was poorly handled in terms of the way he was shuttled back and forth.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t for the life of me state Panda is the new Will Clark. There can’t be another Will Clark.
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No but his impact has been similar. When Clark came on the scene the Giants immediately became a competitive team in 86 after having the worst season in franchise history in 85 (the only time the Giants have EVER lost 100 games). The next year they made the NLCS.
Clark’s enthusiasm for the game and energy also made him a fan favorite and important cog in the team’s resurgance.
Since Pablo got called up the Giants have played over .500 ball going back to last year. He’s quickly become a fan favorite and he obviously keeps the guys loose in the clubhouse.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a clubhouse masseuse?
Matt Cain's right hand beats a Royal Flush.
by Viva Gigantes on Jun 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
panda is the new panda.
switch-hitter who bats for high average and has now shown he can hit for monster power.
switch thrower that plays first, third, and catcher (and can play these positions, not just qualify for them)
absolute love for the game.
infectious positive attitude.
by sayheybk on Jun 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs more eye-black.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My hart gets were your are coming from.
Both however rolled into the MLB and started putting hurt on pitchers from the get go. Both come onto Giants squads with really poor "O" and ( if the Giants do turn the offense around in the next couple season) will have been the lich pin in the remaking of the offense.
or pretty much what hoobes said.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Witch King of Angmar?
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/ shuffles off to Grammar Sin Bin.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve just been playing the Baldur’s Gate series recently, otherwise, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.
by kaliber on Jun 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries man.
1- it made me laugh
2- It keeps me honest.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in that case, it’s “til,” not “tell.”
by kaliber on Jun 28, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank ya
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vecna
new closer. Remainder of roster to be slain and reanimated as zombies.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 28, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panda > Will Clark – first twelve months.
by khenderson on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams 94 and 95 seasons say hello. He also was a fantastic defensive 3rd baseman. Pablo has been solid but he doesn’t touch what Williams could do over there.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over the top much?
…Or are you saying that 1994 and 1995 weren’t full seasons?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, really?
I guess I should have seen this coming. Anyway:
OPS+:
1993 Williams: 136.
1994 Williams: 141.
2009 Sandoval: 150.
And, OPS+ underrates OBP and overrates SLG, so a more sophisticated stat would show that the difference is even bigger.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice work.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said 1995, not 1993
Williams’ OPS+ then was 176. Not a full season, though, albeit Williams still had more PA’s in ’95 (318) than Pablo does currently (276).
Anyway, the whole premise of comparing one not-quite half-season to a bunch of Matt Williams’ full seasons is pretty, well… cooky. Let’s check back at Pablo’s numbers after this season is over.
By the way, if your larger point is that Pablo is awesome, and that the way he is hitting gives Giants fans everywhere hope that their farm system may have, at long last, finally produced a legitimate major league hitter (and one with legitimate power too)—their first since one Matt Williams….. Well, I’m definitely with you on that point.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap. I had no idea Panda was hitting that well. It’s really too bad that the NL is stacked at third this year because I’d love to see Pablo in the ASG.
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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just keep him out of the MSG.
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by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling he might get in. He’s been on a huge surge of late. I think Wright and Zimmerman go for sure (unless Washington sends Dunn instead) I think Pablo sneaks in either as the last guy or they just pick him as a reserve…
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the NL really stacked at 3rd? There’s David Wright and maybe Greg Reynolds and Chipper Jones. Pablo is hitting better than all of them, although Wright will get voted in as the starter since he’s a NY guy.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have Zimmerman, who will likely be the rep for the Nats. At most 3 third basemen will make the team and it’s as much about past performance as current, which is why Chipper has a very good shot. I bet it’s Wright, Zim and Chipper. So it’s not so much that the league is stacked, as there are several guys (Aramis Ramirez has been hurt almost all year) with greater name recognition than Pablo.
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by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn could easily be the Nats rep…
Arizona’s could be Haren. Though Reynolds has the dingerz.
Chipper could go, but they could also take Vazquez or Lowe or Escobar. McCann as well…obviously.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zimmerman will be the sentimental favorite as a long time Nats player rather than the 1st year Dunn. Plus, dude had a 30 game hitting streak.
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sentimental favorite? I doubt Charlie Manuel cares about that. Zimmerman doesn’t lead the Nats in any significant offensive categories.
Meanwhile Sandoval is CLEARLY the Giants best hitter and one of the best hitters in the NL this year.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
look, we all hope sandoval gets in, but he is one of 5 players who have a decent shot to get in. add that to the fact that the Giants will likely have at least 2 other reps (cain and lincecum) and he may not get in.
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants have the 2nd best record in the NL, they could easily have 5 reps at the game.
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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think many people around the sport believe the Giants are the second-best team, by talent, in the league. I know I don’t.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the thing is
they have been the 2nd best team, by result, in the league so far.
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by Viliphied on Jun 28, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I’m saying though, is if we get 4 or 5 all stars, the people in other parts of the country can’t really complain.. If this were last year though and we were one of the worst teams and still had 4 or 5 all stars, then it would seem weird.
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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
’cuz like, you know, the Redsux and the Wankees never – and I mean NEVER have more than 1 or 2 players at the all-star game.
by Merope on Jun 29, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You weren’t lying about the midwest humidity. I’ve never felt more tired after a day of work.
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Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 28, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. If you measure strictly by the 25 man you are in the 79 wins camp with Lars, and I, but the what above league average talent the’09 Giants have is way, way above league average. I think most teams know that as well.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He plays third and he’s been one of the best defensive third basemen in the league this year. Compared to Dunn, who is a horrible defensive OF, I think Zimm will make it over him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure the coaches and players have no fucking clue about defensive metrics nor do they care when it comes to picking the AS game players. Fans don’t care either.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Zimmerman has a gold glove reputation.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus
He’s MUCH better than Dunn.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 28, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree I’m just guessing Dunn’s HR total will get him in. And he’s also more of a marquee name than Zimmerman.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if anyone gave a shit about Dunn HRs
he would have made the ASG every year of his career. But since people seem to have a huge problem with his BA, I doubt he’s even in the conversation…especially since he’s an outfielder.
by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk he might get in. NL OF is pretty barren.
Beltran will probably be too injured to play.
Pence might go? Who else? Ibanez is hurt.
Braun is a lock. Upton too hopefully. Hawpe.
Dunn is 6th in NL OF’s in OPS. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he in fact made the team…
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's always high in OPS
everybody hates him so he’s never going to get in
by superk1ng on Jun 28, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't love baseball
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2011 Opening Day starting SS!
by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sitting down?
Does Rowand start getting serious consideration. He has an established reputation, a following from back east. He is not kill us with the glove (often) and currently has a 120 OPS+. I think only Kemp at 127 OPS+ and Beltran 151 OPS+ is higher in the NL for a CF.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it could help that pablo can play first and catch in a pinch as well— late game roster flexibility can be key for the All Star Game.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jun 28, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nobody gives a shit about winning the ASG. It is completely political. Don’t let the commercial fool you.
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it can helpful to have a guy that you can move arround the diamand so more people and make an appearance in the game.
I think if Panda makes it it is because the manager adds him.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we cany disrespect his .688 OPS
by krazybalr on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With any manager besides Big Head this would not be a question.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damnit, its Melonhead!
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's HHHIIEEEAADD.
It is like a orange on a toothpick.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Bruce doesn't read MCC
He’ll be cryin’ himself to sleep on his HYEEEEGE pillow.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he can make good use of his weather system
Lincecum, Cain and pray for Bruce Bochy’s planetoid to develop rain?
by Viva Jon Miller on Jun 28, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damnit, it's Boulderskull!
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Fred Lewis is missing…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 28, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know what our record is in games where Molina doesn’t start?
by positiveuphemism on Jun 28, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great question..
Bengie does have 2 game winning hits though when he came off the bench
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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think KNBR said something about Giants being 5-2 when Whiteside is behind the plate. Zito has some good starts with Panda catching as well…
by russian.tank on Jun 28, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants package one of their relievers along with Fred Lewis and a pitching prospect would they be able to trade for a quality bat?
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Which pitching prospect?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 28, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anything from a Joey Martinez, Kevin Pucetas, Daryl Maday, Clayton Tanner, Eric Surkamp etc etc etc
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends what you define as “quality” bat.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a Mizuno or a nice Louisville Slugger.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
took a Louisville Slugger to both headlights
by wilriv21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/pukes
39-34 - Giants Series Record: 14-7-3, 10-2 at home
Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Mediocre outing. Continues to be a meh pitcher.
by rhys on Jun 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<3 Carrie Underwood
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 28, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice, Natto. I rec’d.
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by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop with the idiocy
relievers like the Giants have are fungible. Why do you people believe our medicore players are going to get talent?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 28, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its science
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by RDreamer on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bat? yes. A quality Bat? no.
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not get to see or hear any of this game
Of course Sadowski dominates. Did he pitch as well as the box score said? And does this mean he is the new 5th starter? I dont like being out of the loop.
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No, he gave up more walks than K’s, and got a bit lucky on balls in play. And his minor league numbers are very bad. He is not the answer.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s an answer by any means, but the thought that a pitcher can’t succeed if he doesn’t have great strikeout stuff pisses me the fuck off. Hundreds of pitchers have made great careers in this sport over the years without having to rack up a bunch of K’s. Hundreds is really an understatement too when you account for all the pitchers who had great success before guys with power stuff started to make waves.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name one pitcher who was anything short of horrendous who didn’t have more K’s than BB’s. One.
Seriously dude, what are you talking about? He gave up more BB’s than K’s, which is not good. His minor league numbers are also not good. Who said anything about great strikeout stuff?
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that his career Ks is higher, thought it was relatively close.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Avery had WAY above average control for the most part (before has broken at least) and an average or better K rate most of the time.
by xanthan on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now with better readability
Avery had WAY above average control for the most part (before he was broken at least) and an average or better K rate most of the time.
by xanthan on Jun 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More readable spam is still spam!
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BRING BACK MARMOL!
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by Zetsuboushita on Jun 28, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to send you a Juan Uribe bobblehead in the mail. Just you wait.
by xanthan on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd send you a Bochy
but I cannot get it out of my front door.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 29, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only remember bits of his career so it was just a tad off.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s one start. He likely wouldn’t have more BB per K for his career, but it probably won’t be a big discrepancy either.
If he pitches like Kirk Rueter I’ll take it.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For every Kirk Rueter, there’s 10,000 other pitchers who weren’t so lucky.
by xanthan on Jun 28, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to be fair, the Ump had a pretty small strikezone and Sadowski definitely doesn’t have the stuff to throw middle-in. Sanchez definitely does but when you keep throwing the same thing repeatedly you’ll get the blowup inning.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you are a premiere pitcher, you really shouldn’t throw middle in. Most ML hitters can smash those types of pitches. Sanchez’s problem is he doesn’t have the control to hit the corners consistently and often catches way too much of the plate.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I said is that he gave up more walks than K’s, and that his minor league numbers are bad. I assumed that your comment about strike out stuff was a response to the first part. If you were responding to the second part – do you disagree that his minor league numbers are bad?
And Kirk Rueter had much better MiLB numbers than Sadowski.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His minor league numbers certainly aren’t great but they’re not horrific either. I don’t think he’s the answer but I’m not opposed to keeping him as the #5 guy for now. His MiLB numbers are similar to Palmer’s, if not better in some areas.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 1.84 K/BB from a 26 y-o repeating AAA who doesn’t even get groundballs is pretty damn bad. And Matt Palmer is a bad pitcher.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No shit. But all 5th starters are BAD pitchers. You get what you can. If pitching was such a great abundance then every team would have it. I’m not calling the guy a future Cy Young award winner here or even any real answer to anything.
But here is what I know, he did his job and he did it better than Sanchez has all year long. And the Giants got a W, that’s all that really matters.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Giants can’t afford to have a bad pitcher and still make the play offs.. Our fifth starter needs to be about league average (which still means he will have a losing record)
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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not calling the guy a future Cy Young award winner here or even any real answer to anything.
Then why are you arguing? All my original comment said was that in spite of this game, Sadowski isn’t the answer.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND I AGREED! If you had any reading comprehension you might understand that. All I was arguing about was the BB/K rate thing. It’s one game, with an anal umpire and that pitcher’s don’t need to K 8 guys a game to be effective. Especially as a 5th starter. The key is that while he’s not the answer, he did pitch well at least for today.
I know that he earned another opportunity and that I would prefer to not see Sanchez back in the rotation for awhile, if ever.
That’s the predicament the Giants are in. Their solutions for that spot are other guys like Sadowski, like Sadler (fuck no) or Pucetas. Or rushing up Tim 2 or Mad Bum. All of them are not ideal situations, just as keeping Sanchez in the rotation is not ideal when he clearly is not comfortable or effective in that role, where he struggles just to get to 5 innings.
If Sadowski can be effective than its great for the Giants. If he gets another start and gets bombed than oh well, they HAD to try something else.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I was arguing about was the BB/K rate thing. It’s one game, with an anal umpire and that pitcher’s don’t need to K 8 guys a game to be effective.
K/BB is not a measure of strikeout stuff. That would be K/9 or K%. Plenty of pitchers succeed without striking a lot of hitters out. They do it by not walking a lot of people, or by getting a ton of groundballs, or by limiting their BABIP with some wierd knuckleball/curve ball. Sadowski has no ability to do any of those things. That’s why Sadowski is not going to be good, or even decent – not because he doesn’t have great stuff/doesn’t K 8 guys per 9 inning.
I’d rather let Sanchez keep starting, since he’s actually had success in the minors and even put up a 3.85 FIP in the majors last year. Right now we’d be wasting him in the bullpen, since I can’t see Bochy rating him above Wilson, Romo, Affeldt, or even Howry, which means he’d just be a middle reliever.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At what point does past minor league success continue to be a factor for anything? I mean really, Sanchez is IN the majors now and has been full time for the past 2 years. He has a career ERA over 5, and he has struggled in a starting role. Sure he has a few outings where he’s been lights out, but he has poor command and struggles to get through the lineup a 2nd and 3rd time. Since we’re talking walks, look at Sanchez’s BB/9. If he didn’t have decent stuff he would be in Fresno right now. That’s the only reason he’s in the majors still.
The bullpen is exactly where he needs to be. For how long, who knows. He threw more off-speed pitches today in one inning than I’ve seen him throw when he starts. He actually SHOWED a feel for a changeup today that we’ve NEVER seen from him, ever. He obviously needs to work on some things, and he couldn’t do that if we kept relying on him as a starter ever 5th day. He simply has not been effective this year. Hopefully this move will help him become the pitcher we all know he is capable of being.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give ‘em hell, Hobbes. I’m with you.
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by Lyle on Jun 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At what point does past minor league success continue to be a factor for anything? I mean really, Sanchez is IN the majors now and has been full time for the past 2 years. He has a career ERA over 5, and he has struggled in a starting role.
He was good in the majors for most of last year before he ran out of gas. Overall his FIP was 3.85, like I said, which is pretty good.
If he didn’t have decent stuff he would be in Fresno right now. That’s the only reason he’s in the majors still.
Well, yeah. If Cain didn’t have a good fastball, he wouldn’t be good either. He does, though, so I don’t see why it matters.
I agree that Sanchez’s future might be in the bullpen, especially if Bumgarner and Alderson work out, but for now I’d rather keep him in the rotation. We’re contending, and he’s our best option right now.
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by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year was last year. This year Sanchez’s FIP is 4.74. His K/9, BB/9, K/BB, HR/9, AVG, and BABIP are all worse than last year.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. Sanchez has had some success in the past, looked like a major league pitcher last year, but so far this year has been bad. Sadowski hasn’t had a good minor league season since (or before) 2005, and so far this year he’s been pretty bad in AAA, in his second year there, as a 26 y-o. I just don’t see any reason to think that he can be better than Sanchez.
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by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t take that great a pitcher to do better than 2-8 with a 5+ ERA and whip just under 2. Look at the guys the Giants dumped that are putting up better numbers than that. I really don’t want to see Dirty lose 16-20 games, its time to try something else
by m34josh on Jun 28, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you said, his FIP, which is much better than ERA at predicting future performance, is 4.74. Sadowski’s FIP is 4.55, in AAA. His MLE is 5.57.
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by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’re talking about PREDICTIONS. I could predict it might rain tomorrow and then again it may not.
Just ride the hot hand. Do you agree Sadowski at least earned another start or two? Is it worth finding out that he may be able to pitch effectively enough to be our 5th starter until a better solution can be found?
Because THIS SEASON Sanchez hasn’t earned his spot. And I don’t see why trying other people in his place is a bad thing. Even if they PROJECT to be just as bad or worse. They will never know if someone can do a better job unless they try. Compound that with 2 ex-Giants who had similar projections to Sadowski are outperforming Sanchez this year for other teams, and I’d say it’s worth a try.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
This is one of my biggest pet peeves among the hardcore sabermetrics crowd. Why is that when BtBS projects the Giants as the 3rd worst team it’s a joke, yet when Sanchez throws up a terrible game people cite projections as facts.
by SeeingStars on Jun 28, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to throw a little bone to the BtBS crowd.
Really all that system is saying is if you ran the exact talent through say 50 seasons this is the number that would result the most often. They are not saying this is the only number that will result after 162 games. Even they will tell you there is a wide amount of results from the highest and lowest scores if you could play 50 seasons with the exact same talent.
I do get the irritation at the people that think the Pythagorean numbers are god derived and think " thus it was written and thus it will be". But the reality of the sport is we only need to get lucky in one 162 game season ,not 20 seasons, to get into a play off.
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by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a matter of earning anything, it’s who you think gives you the best chances of winning. What’s your point, that we can’t predict the future? Yeah, so we might as well skip Lincecum and let Sadler start, because maybe he’ll be better. That’s not how it works – you pick the player who you think is the most likely to do well. I think that’s Sanchez. I’m not going to ignore hundreds of bad innings from Sadowski just because he had one decent start.
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by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the hundreds of bad innings from Sanchez in the majors? He’s been just as bad as Sadowski is PROJECTED to be.
You don’t skip Lincecum because he’s actually good. Sanchez is not. And we’ve seen Sadler in the majors, and he is BAD. Just like Sanchez. Sanchez doesn’t give the Giants a good chance to win. He has trouble going 5 innings. He walks a shitload of batters, and he has an career ERA over 5. More often then not when he pitches the Giants LOSE. Giants are 21-29 in Sanchez’s career when he starts a game. 3-10 THIS YEAR.
And let’s not forget he is HORRIBLE for his career in the 2nd half. So it likely wouldn’t get any better. His 2nd half ERA is 7.46 in 100 IP.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
insert selective end point joke here
by jctGamer on Jun 28, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
21-29 isn't as bad as I thought it'd be
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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a comment
Saying
Giants are 21-29 in Sanchez’s career when he starts a game.is a little unfair, seeing that A) the Giants as a team had a losing record last year, and B) I really doubt most teams have a winning record when their fifth starter is pitching. He’s the fifth starter for a reason. Also, the Giants have only scored 3 runs or more in 6 of his 13 starts this year. Compare that to the Giants scoring 3+ runs in 12 of Timmy’s starts, 11 of Cain’s starts, or 9 of Randy’s or Zito’s starts. The offense isn’t exactly giving the team a “good chance to win” either when Sanchez takes the mound.
/rereads
I’m not entirely sure what I’m trying to say here. Just throwing some observations out, I guess.
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by Sammy Danger on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
other than this year, he’s always played for shitty ass teams.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 28, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True and yet the team’s record when he starts is the worst it has ever been THIS season.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 29, 2009 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First you try to dismiss his minor league numbers. Then, when major league numbers are cited, you try to dismiss those.
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by thehavenot on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d narrow the parameters to RHP who don’t throw a knuckler or a crazy sinker in the modern era. Fishface Humphrey or something probably threw 400 innings of three-strikeout ball in 1909, lefties like Rueter/Zito can hover around 100 ERA+ without purty peripherals, and knuckleballers and sinkerballers are knuckleballers and sinkerballers.
But RHP with a standard assortment of pitches in 2009? There’s no way to make it with a wretched K/BB ratio if the K/9 is average or below..
by Grant on Jun 28, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadowski is a sinkerballer is he not? He’s not exactly Bill Swift or Derek Lowe, but I don’t see the harm in letting him pitch for a little bit. Got to get what you can out of those guys while you can. MOST sinkerballers don’t last long. They don’t consistently have their sinker working, and often lack quality secondary pitches. We all remember what happened to Scott Munter once he stopped being able to throw his sinker effectively.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not a sinkerballer, or at least not a good one – his minor league GB rates are below average.
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by Cookyman on Jun 28, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously or else he might actually be a prospect. You aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Hobbes2d: Sadowski is a sinkerballer is he not?
Cookyman: He’s not a sinkerballer.
Hobbes2d: You aren’t telling me anything I don’t already know.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brain hurts
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by CB30 on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANYONE BUT SANCHEZ!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 29, 2009 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He pitched very well. Tight K-Zone, was around the plate. Moved the ball to different quadrants of the zone. Changed speeds really well. Fielded his position very well. Even got a base hit off Suppan. Has nice composure on the mound too.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was one pitch away from disaster a couple of times, but he did what he had to do. I wouldn’t mind him getting another start in five days at all. Let’s not also forget that Miller Park is a bandbox and the Brewers have plenty of big boys that can easily reach the seats.
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by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain has also been one pitch away from disaster in most games. The fact that he got out of those situations is a pretty big deal.
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by cheno on Jun 28, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This can be said of any pitcher….it’s called PITCHING for a reason. It’s a skill. Some guys even make it into an art form.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 28, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On being 1 ptich away from disater
When your team has trouble scoring 3 runs in 9 innings and the defense is not all that good ANY pitcher spends a lot of time being 1 pitch away from disaster.
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by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems obvious to me
that the Giants saw something in his pitching that wasn’t necessarily reflective of his stats. He pitched a great game against an ump with a small strike zone, and some premier power hitters. Give the kid a chance before you rule him out. Plus, he hustles on defense, always refreshing.
by Kaizre on Jun 28, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was also the first time Milwaukee has been shut out at home this season. No small feat.
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by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers are now 0-4 against guys making their major league debut.. It sounds like they rely on scouting to hit well.
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by Azmanz on Jun 28, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Winn were to be traded to another quasi contender (Atlanta, Cincy, Mets, etc.) in a salary dump type move that brought back a marginal prospect but allowed Bowker to play every day, would you be happy with the move?
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 28, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be, but they’re not going to do it. Trading Winn so that Bowker can play is a move that non contenders make, not contenders, and since the Giants’ consider themselves contenders right now they wouldn’t do this.
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by rxmeister on Jun 28, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
by tobias on Jun 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until further notice, we can assume that Bowker is a disaster in the field and his bat might not be enough better to make up for it.
by thethrillisgone on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what?
He would, or should, play a corner OF spot when he comes back up, not 1st base, and most account’s I’v read say is his arm is fine and his fielding is not bad at all. The only rub is he has mostly played RF in the minors and RF at Mays Field is a whole differnt animal.
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by daveinexile on Jun 29, 2009 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs