Offense overachievers? 71 Game Checkup

by merkin on Jun 27, 2009 11:18 AM PDT Comment 33 comments

I belileve I have mentioned this before, but lets go ahead and check in on the Giants offense.....

Despite being near last in the league in runs scored, this team is actually over achieving.

Based on Tango Tiger's Linear Weights wOBA thingy....which is about as advanced as it gets these days....

The Giants have actually scored 20 more runs this year than one would expect from the component parts....

wRC = 281, actual runs = 261

Or lets slice that another way.....

Compare 2008 vs 2009 through game 71.

Now the Giants had more plate appearances this time though 71 games, so for purposes of comparison I have reduced the 2008 numbers to match 2009 using plate appearances.

As you can see the runs scored is almost exactly the same.

But to get to this run total the 2009 Giants used the same amount of hits

but 2009 has 16 fewer doubles, 4 fewer homers, 42 fewer walks, 47 more strikeouts, a lower BA, lower OBP, and a lower Slugging.

So how are they scoring more runs? They are converting their chances better, with 23 fewer runners left stranded.

So this can be read a few ways.

The Giants are either lucky, clutch, incredibly well managed, or some combination of the three.

I will leave it up to you to choose which one….

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Those 9 less GiDP’s actual P.A.’s for 2008 really stand out to me.

Basically a GiDP kills and inning ( either it’s the 2nd &3rd outs or it gives team only 1 out to do anything with in that side.) On a squad the little to none SLG GiDP’s are even more destructive. So basically that means this year’s team has had a bit over a games worth of sides to do something with yet somehow the 2008 squad had 88 more P.A.’s at the same point? How the Heck did that happen? More blow outs in the first 71 games of 2008?

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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

88 more P.A.’s at the same point? How the Heck did that happen?

Just looking at pitching through 71 games, we had 9 1/3 more innings pitched in 2008, so I assume extra inning games

Considering our Home and Road record, I don’t think those extra PA’s are from hitting Bottom of 9 at home

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by merkin on Jun 27, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Considering our Home and Road record, I don’t think those extra PA’s are from hitting Bottom of 9 at home

Well, we’re good at home this year and we weren’t good at home last year, so that could certainly be part of it.

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by groug on Jun 27, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, you’re right….I was thinking backwards

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by merkin on Jun 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

good call on the extra innings & ’Pen melt downs last year. I have already gotten use to 27 outs ending a game for the Giants unless they are coming from behind.

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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well the extra walks and hits from last year meant less outs per PA, leading to more PA

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by Azmanz on Jun 27, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I bet we have more infield hits than last year

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 27, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

we are ranked #1 in clutch on fangraphs. we’re lucky.

One can only hope when we stop being lucky, our players will be performing closer to their career averages (Molina, Lewis, Winn) so it evens itself out.

by jctGamer on Jun 27, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

BABIP .351

in “high leverage” situations

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by merkin on Jun 27, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fact that this offense is OVERachieving is beyond me. This isnt good.

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by CB30 on Jun 27, 2009 11:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It’s also scary that the Giants should be stranding MORE runners. I don’t think I could stand watching that.

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by neurofarm on Jun 27, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh.

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by Natto on Jun 27, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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by jponry on Jun 27, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does anyone know a relatively quick way to find the slash line production per batting order position between the two squads?

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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

BR has it on Team Split Page

Scroll down about 1/3rd of the page
Labeled “Defensive Positions”

2009 offense by Defensive position

2008 offense by Defensive position

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by merkin on Jun 27, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks. I don’t know how i missed that but i have.

Good freakin’ grief! I know the #2 spot is bad this year but .219/.276/.553 with 12 GiDP’s this season!!! I mean the pitchers ( #9) are .164/.220/.223. Every other spot has a higher OBP. Just what is Big Head’s issue here?

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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The #7 spot is the most productive by OPS…. .827
The #3 spot is 2nd with OPS at 795

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by merkin on Jun 27, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

wat

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by CB30 on Jun 27, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by S.F. Giangst on Jun 29, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is a good joke.

Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.

by oldjacket on Jun 29, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Angkor Wat, I’m guessing??

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by Lyle on Jun 30, 2009 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OPS

Make that .219/.276/.277 with 12 GiDP for #2 spot. Talk about a steaming pile of crap…

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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know, I’m beginning to regret disagreeing with people who called Edgar Renteria the worst FA signing of the offseason.

/thinks about Oliver Perez

Never mind. But Edgar’s still bad.

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by groug on Jun 27, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Compared to last year’s SS collection I am still O.K. with the Renertira move. But this instance of not moving a struggling Vet and that he is endlessly ENTILTLED 1-5 spot as gotten beyond the pale.

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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Burrell is looking pretty bad. 2 years, $16M, currently hitting .236/.345/.314 as a DH.

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:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 27, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

In case you are interested

I spent some time earlier this week trying to make some sense of Renteria
Yes….I need a life…..

Stuff here

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by merkin on Jun 27, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really can’t disagree with anything you say there. I also can help but wonder if the Giants’ had sent Burriss down to work at SS at the beginning of the season just where he would be right now. I always thought that was half the rational to signing Renteria to begin with.

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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs