King of Pop, Dead @ 50
It's official. RIP - I never thought you did that shit you were accused of.
over 2 years ago
FairweatherFan
69 comments
0 recs |
Email
PrintComments
.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 25, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions
offered good advice too
Don’t go around breakin’ young girl’s hearts.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 25, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Mama said nothing about that.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 25, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
no tears for pedophiles.
Bring me the head of Barry Zito! HOLD THAT ORDER two week reprieve to prove himself.
so was OJ
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
"Obviously I’m not doing things like going toe-to-toe with a ninja. Find me a ninja, for one."--Brian Wilson
Oj's accusers didn't get exposed for just trying to extort money out of him...
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
there were just too many stories out there for all of them to be false. Why was Michael Jackson having these problems? Was he the only rich celebrity out there to be sued? Why is he the one who continually faced accusations about child molestation? What adult has all these sleepovers with young boys? Don’t let your love for his music and his talent obscure your better judgement.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
12 Angry Men
or…innnocent until PROVEN guilty.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
he was acquitted in ONE case. The others he paid to go away. The first one he paid 20 MILLION DOLLARS to make it go away. What innocent man writes a check for that amount?
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
A rich one who wants his reputation in tact, and would rather avoid a protracted legal battle that ends in people who have no knowledge speculating on how he rolls?
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
Plus if by paying the rest of your family is left alone by such a scandal as it plays out over years and decades. NO, I can’t fault a guy for paying to get that if he as the means to do it.
That being said if I am on the street with a minor and I see M.J. I would cross the street to walk on the other side. I would also wonder at any other adult walk witha kid that did not do the same.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
paying someone off is admitting guilt and buying your way out of a possible jail sentence. We argue enough over baseball so I don’t want to start an argument over something like this, but I think anyone who thinks that this 50 year old man having little boys over for all these sleepovers is normal and innocent is incredibly naive. There’s just too much already that’s been said about this for this to have no substance. Not just the families looking to make money, but people that worked for him, and his own sister, for God’s sake!! Not everyone that spoke out was lying and looking for a payday. Some were actually looking out for the best interest of the children.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
paying someone off is admitting guilt and buying your way out of a possible jail sentence.
lol
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
LOL'ing because that's untrue? It is true.
It isn’t quite that direct, but it works like this: a settlement of a civil lawsuit would gurantee that the victim & his family would not co-operate with the prosecution in a criminal case. Without the victim and victim’s family’s help, there is no way the DA can proceed. Charges dismissed. So yeah, if there is decent evidence, settling a suit buys oneself out of a possible jail sentence.
Unless you were LOL’ing at the claim that settling a suit is admission of guilt, which is a different question, and you would be right— maybe, maybe not. I think in THIS case it does show guilt (explained elsewhere), but it doesn’t always.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 27, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Look:
There’s no doubt he was a weird dude, and had a fondness for children. The guy basically acted like a child himself.
That doesn’t mean he is a child molester. The guy never had a childhood and pretty clearly decided to have one later in life.
I mean, he built the fucking neverland ranch. How much more child like can you get?
He was acquitted in one case in which he was accused by 4 people. He liked to play with kids and was a really weird dude. There is essentially NO evidence that he was a child molester than a few sketchy stories from some of these kids parents.
While you can say why would you pay someone 20m if you were not guilty – one could easily say why would any parent accept money as compensation for a 50 year old man abusing their child? That’s essentially prostituting your child.
I’d think that, if these things actually happened – those parents wouldn’t accept a settlement and wouldn’t rest until them man that committed them was in jail.
There is a reason that those cases were private lawsuits, not criminal charges – the evidence was nonexistent at best.
You can’t settle a criminal case. You can, however, extort a lot of money out of public figures by having some circumstantial evidence about a socially taboo topic – one where people are guilty until proven innocent.
For those with the means, it’s much cheaper and easier to just pay the accuser off than to drag it into the public spotlight. It happens to all sorts of public figures, not just MJ.
Look @ Kobe, for example.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 26, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I may not know the in’s and out’s of the legal system but I do know a fair amount about European- U.S. history. Civil suit is a direct descendent of paying blood guild (wergild). Wergild was a way to take responsibility for an action. Responsibility does not exactly equal guilt (despite some old line theological stances and repeated bellowing over the centuries). In fact one to main reasons to pay wergild was to prevent a prolonged vendetta.
As for the other part I about us disagreeing – off topic I know- I learn quite a bit about ball from when we have disagreed. Sometimes it changes what I think, sometimes it reinforces what I thought when it started. Either way I have only thought well of you for the efforts you took to voice when and how you disagreed with me. If I overly annoy you it is not meant in that spirit. It would be a sad time for me when I don’t see your posts some were.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m sorry Dave, because you completely misunderstood what I was saying, and I guess that’s my fault. I wasn’t talking to you specifically, I was speaking in general. I was just saying I didn’t want to get into a drawn out discussion about Michael Jackson’s innocence or guilt, because we’re here to talk about the Giants. I’ve always enjoyed all my discussions with you and everyone else, and if you learned anything from me, it was probably wrong! I learn alot more from you and the others, because you guys do all the research that I’m too lazy to do. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
Not a misunderstanding. :)
More a recognition my written English skills are not that great and I want to try and be clearer.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
But paying $20M to settle civil case does NOT keep reputation intact.
Quite the opposite. Believe me: before he & Johnnie Cochran settled the case, they did TONS of focus groups and mock trials to assess how a civil trial might have gone. If they thought they had a good chance of winning, they would have. But the settlement pretty much told the world that MJ/JC thought that a jury would hear all the evidence and go against them.
And I am not sure what you’re suggesting about juries with the comment “people who have no knowledge speculating,” but juries don’t just flip a coin and pull a verdict out of the air. They really do work hard, look at evidence, and if there were no credible evidence, would find that the plaintiff didn’t carry its burden of proof. (I do this stuff for a living. Sometimes juries get it right/wrong on whether the burden of proof was met, but MJ would have gotten benefit of doubt in the first civil trial, and the plaintiff would have had to meet higher than the real burden — preponderance of evidence — in order to get a verdict in their favor.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 27, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry about my craptastic writing.
It may not keep the reputation in tact, but wouldn’t you agree that it beats a long, drawn out trial where the public will form its own opinion? That’s also what I meant by “people w/no knowledge.” My whole thing is that his repuation goes to shit in a trial. Perhaps the second time around, they figured “eh if we pay these guys off then that truly is an admission of guilt” and decided to go for the trial. bleh
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
while i don’t think a RIP thread is necessarily the best place to bring up such reservations, i do agree with them.
incredibly talented artist though, i’ll obviously give him that. his talents will certainly be missed.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jun 25, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
To quote Sarah Silverman (via twitter):
Did you hear Michael Jackson’s kids are free? That’s not nice. I’m sorry. Ugh, I feel bad for saying that. LOOK A BLUE CAR!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
His mom too. The guy had literally NO childhood and a pretty fucked up upbringing. The fact that he found solo success for awhile before his demons got the best of him is a testament to his talent.
well, his and Quincy Jones’
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jun 25, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions
.
Adopted Giant Darren "Speedy" Ford. Said by Andrew Baggarly to be the fastest minor league player and the best defensive outfielder in the Giants Organization. Now playing for your San Jose Giants.
...
they say they go in threes. I was wondering who would follow Farrah and Ed McMahon.
RIP for all.
I think my wife is too young for me. She said that comment to me and wondered who was next. I said it was three already with Farrah and Ed McMahon. She said Farrah and who?
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
my wife didn’t know who either of them was.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
you told her Charlie’s Angels and she said, “oh my God. Drew Barrymore is dead?”
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
Ouch.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
What? David Carradine doesn't count as #1, just because he had a pervy death? That makes MJ #4.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 27, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s because the time between his death and the others is not short enough.
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
...
You never seemed to find peace, even as a child, may it be granted to you now.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
Anyone have an address for Bubbles? I want to send bananas…
Fred Lewis can stand under my umbrella.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
We are at war with Los Angeles. We have always been at war with Los Angeles.
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
LA Fail
apparently they edited out a part of Bruno where he rips on Latoya after Michael died.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 26, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Grew up listening to Little Mikey and the Jackson 5 – very memorable songs, who can forget a song about a rat :) Morphed into a strange dude, perhaps as a result of his upbringing, but then again Little Stevie Wonder had a similar rise to fame, perhaps without a domineering father – who knows. If he had quit with the makeover after The Wiz he wouldn’t have become such a freak. Obviously a tortured soul – RIP Mike.
Momentarily blocking out the crap.
.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jun 26, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
