King of Pop, Dead @ 50
It's official. RIP - I never thought you did that shit you were accused of.
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by Natto on Jun 25, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 25, 2009 4:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the tunes, Mike.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 25, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
offered good advice too
Don’t go around breakin’ young girl’s hearts.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 25, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mama said nothing about that.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 25, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Kitspool on Jun 25, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Fan of the Kung-Fu Pandaval, even at the hot corner
by jordanovich on Jun 25, 2009 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no tears for pedophiles.
Bring me the head of Barry Zito! HOLD THAT ORDER two week reprieve to prove himself.
by elGuapo on Jun 25, 2009 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so was OJ
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by haverecords on Jun 25, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oj's accusers didn't get exposed for just trying to extort money out of him...
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there were just too many stories out there for all of them to be false. Why was Michael Jackson having these problems? Was he the only rich celebrity out there to be sued? Why is he the one who continually faced accusations about child molestation? What adult has all these sleepovers with young boys? Don’t let your love for his music and his talent obscure your better judgement.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 25, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well put. How quickly the public forgets. While never convicted there is a very good chance this man was a horrible horrible freak of a person. Playing good music doesn’t absolve you in my eyes.
Bring me the head of Barry Zito! HOLD THAT ORDER two week reprieve to prove himself.
by elGuapo on Jun 25, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 Angry Men
or…innnocent until PROVEN guilty.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was acquitted in ONE case. The others he paid to go away. The first one he paid 20 MILLION DOLLARS to make it go away. What innocent man writes a check for that amount?
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 26, 2009 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A rich one who wants his reputation in tact, and would rather avoid a protracted legal battle that ends in people who have no knowledge speculating on how he rolls?
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jun 26, 2009 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus if by paying the rest of your family is left alone by such a scandal as it plays out over years and decades. NO, I can’t fault a guy for paying to get that if he as the means to do it.
That being said if I am on the street with a minor and I see M.J. I would cross the street to walk on the other side. I would also wonder at any other adult walk witha kid that did not do the same.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
paying someone off is admitting guilt and buying your way out of a possible jail sentence. We argue enough over baseball so I don’t want to start an argument over something like this, but I think anyone who thinks that this 50 year old man having little boys over for all these sleepovers is normal and innocent is incredibly naive. There’s just too much already that’s been said about this for this to have no substance. Not just the families looking to make money, but people that worked for him, and his own sister, for God’s sake!! Not everyone that spoke out was lying and looking for a payday. Some were actually looking out for the best interest of the children.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 26, 2009 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
paying someone off is admitting guilt and buying your way out of a possible jail sentence.
lol
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jun 26, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL'ing because that's untrue? It is true.
It isn’t quite that direct, but it works like this: a settlement of a civil lawsuit would gurantee that the victim & his family would not co-operate with the prosecution in a criminal case. Without the victim and victim’s family’s help, there is no way the DA can proceed. Charges dismissed. So yeah, if there is decent evidence, settling a suit buys oneself out of a possible jail sentence.
Unless you were LOL’ing at the claim that settling a suit is admission of guilt, which is a different question, and you would be right— maybe, maybe not. I think in THIS case it does show guilt (explained elsewhere), but it doesn’t always.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 27, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely an lol of “admission of guilt presumed”
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jun 29, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look:
There’s no doubt he was a weird dude, and had a fondness for children. The guy basically acted like a child himself.
That doesn’t mean he is a child molester. The guy never had a childhood and pretty clearly decided to have one later in life.
I mean, he built the fucking neverland ranch. How much more child like can you get?
He was acquitted in one case in which he was accused by 4 people. He liked to play with kids and was a really weird dude. There is essentially NO evidence that he was a child molester than a few sketchy stories from some of these kids parents.
While you can say why would you pay someone 20m if you were not guilty – one could easily say why would any parent accept money as compensation for a 50 year old man abusing their child? That’s essentially prostituting your child.
I’d think that, if these things actually happened – those parents wouldn’t accept a settlement and wouldn’t rest until them man that committed them was in jail.
There is a reason that those cases were private lawsuits, not criminal charges – the evidence was nonexistent at best.
You can’t settle a criminal case. You can, however, extort a lot of money out of public figures by having some circumstantial evidence about a socially taboo topic – one where people are guilty until proven innocent.
For those with the means, it’s much cheaper and easier to just pay the accuser off than to drag it into the public spotlight. It happens to all sorts of public figures, not just MJ.
Look @ Kobe, for example.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 26, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may not know the in’s and out’s of the legal system but I do know a fair amount about European- U.S. history. Civil suit is a direct descendent of paying blood guild (wergild). Wergild was a way to take responsibility for an action. Responsibility does not exactly equal guilt (despite some old line theological stances and repeated bellowing over the centuries). In fact one to main reasons to pay wergild was to prevent a prolonged vendetta.
As for the other part I about us disagreeing – off topic I know- I learn quite a bit about ball from when we have disagreed. Sometimes it changes what I think, sometimes it reinforces what I thought when it started. Either way I have only thought well of you for the efforts you took to voice when and how you disagreed with me. If I overly annoy you it is not meant in that spirit. It would be a sad time for me when I don’t see your posts some were.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry Dave, because you completely misunderstood what I was saying, and I guess that’s my fault. I wasn’t talking to you specifically, I was speaking in general. I was just saying I didn’t want to get into a drawn out discussion about Michael Jackson’s innocence or guilt, because we’re here to talk about the Giants. I’ve always enjoyed all my discussions with you and everyone else, and if you learned anything from me, it was probably wrong! I learn alot more from you and the others, because you guys do all the research that I’m too lazy to do. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a misunderstanding. :)
More a recognition my written English skills are not that great and I want to try and be clearer.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But paying $20M to settle civil case does NOT keep reputation intact.
Quite the opposite. Believe me: before he & Johnnie Cochran settled the case, they did TONS of focus groups and mock trials to assess how a civil trial might have gone. If they thought they had a good chance of winning, they would have. But the settlement pretty much told the world that MJ/JC thought that a jury would hear all the evidence and go against them.
And I am not sure what you’re suggesting about juries with the comment “people who have no knowledge speculating,” but juries don’t just flip a coin and pull a verdict out of the air. They really do work hard, look at evidence, and if there were no credible evidence, would find that the plaintiff didn’t carry its burden of proof. (I do this stuff for a living. Sometimes juries get it right/wrong on whether the burden of proof was met, but MJ would have gotten benefit of doubt in the first civil trial, and the plaintiff would have had to meet higher than the real burden — preponderance of evidence — in order to get a verdict in their favor.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 27, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry about my craptastic writing.
It may not keep the reputation in tact, but wouldn’t you agree that it beats a long, drawn out trial where the public will form its own opinion? That’s also what I meant by “people w/no knowledge.” My whole thing is that his repuation goes to shit in a trial. Perhaps the second time around, they figured “eh if we pay these guys off then that truly is an admission of guilt” and decided to go for the trial. bleh
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
by GameSix on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 25, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So wrong
And yet so right.
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by Natto on Jun 25, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
while i don’t think a RIP thread is necessarily the best place to bring up such reservations, i do agree with them.
incredibly talented artist though, i’ll obviously give him that. his talents will certainly be missed.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jun 25, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by haverecords on Jun 25, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome music
Messed up dude
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 25, 2009 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jun 25, 2009 4:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
80’s MJ = Awesome.
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
by Norm Median on Jun 25, 2009 5:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To quote Sarah Silverman (via twitter):
Did you hear Michael Jackson’s kids are free? That’s not nice. I’m sorry. Ugh, I feel bad for saying that. LOOK A BLUE CAR!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
by can of corn on Jun 25, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great music, the jury is out on him as a person, his father is an ass
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 25, 2009 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
His mom too. The guy had literally NO childhood and a pretty fucked up upbringing. The fact that he found solo success for awhile before his demons got the best of him is a testament to his talent.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 25, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, his and Quincy Jones’
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jun 25, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 6:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by howtheyscored on Jun 25, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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by thehavenot on Jun 25, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Adopted Giant Darren "Speedy" Ford. Said by Andrew Baggarly to be the fastest minor league player and the best defensive outfielder in the Giants Organization. Now playing for your San Jose Giants.
by monta101 on Jun 25, 2009 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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they say they go in threes. I was wondering who would follow Farrah and Ed McMahon.
RIP for all.
by giantscatcher on Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think my wife is too young for me. She said that comment to me and wondered who was next. I said it was three already with Farrah and Ed McMahon. She said Farrah and who?
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 26, 2009 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my wife didn’t know who either of them was.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jun 26, 2009 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you told her Charlie’s Angels and she said, “oh my God. Drew Barrymore is dead?”
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 26, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? David Carradine doesn't count as #1, just because he had a pervy death? That makes MJ #4.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 27, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s because the time between his death and the others is not short enough.
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by Natto on Jun 28, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Osiris, lord of the dead, and relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants.
by neurofarm on Jun 26, 2009 12:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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You never seemed to find peace, even as a child, may it be granted to you now.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 7:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jun 26, 2009 8:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have an address for Bubbles? I want to send bananas…
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by S.F. Giangst on Jun 26, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LA Fail
http://stephanpastis.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/people-that-mourn-people/
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by Natto on Jun 26, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently, access to the other MJ’s star was blocked by the Bruno premiere.
by cakes on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently they edited out a part of Bruno where he rips on Latoya after Michael died.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 26, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that in that scene he bothers Latoya for Michael’s phone number.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 27, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grew up listening to Little Mikey and the Jackson 5 – very memorable songs, who can forget a song about a rat :) Morphed into a strange dude, perhaps as a result of his upbringing, but then again Little Stevie Wonder had a similar rise to fame, perhaps without a domineering father – who knows. If he had quit with the makeover after The Wiz he wouldn’t have become such a freak. Obviously a tortured soul – RIP Mike.
by APGiantsFan on Jun 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Quite possibly one of the most misunderstood people ever. I’m sad that he’s gone, but at least he no longer has to live in pain.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 26, 2009 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Momentarily blocking out the crap.
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NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jun 26, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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He lost me when the weirdness emerged and music went downhill, but his music was a big part of my life.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 26, 2009 9:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We sort of decided that our Michael Jackson fandom ended in the mid 90’s and he’s basically been dead to us since then.
by Merope on Jun 27, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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