Which SF Prospects Would You Trade?
by wilriv21 on Jun 24, 2009 4:05 PM PDT
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The SF Giants have a one game lead in the NL Wild Card race. The lead in the wild card race can be traced to the success of the Giants pitching. Lead by Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain, the starters have been very good. GM Brian Sabean focused on rebuilding the bullpen this offseason and should receive high marks. The bullpen has been lights out.
Sabean sez: "we know what we need" when talking about potential trades. There is a report that Giants mananaging partner William Neukom is said to be purshing hard for action.
The Giants are contenders. Sabean will make a trade. Giants have some relievers and prospects to deal. Along with one of the three LHH outfielders (Lewis, Schierholtz and Bowker). October baseball will be fun.
1. Madison Bumganer: NO
2. Gerald Posey: NO
3. Tim Alderson: Yes
4. Angel Villalona: Yes
5. Thomas Neal: Yes
6. Henry Sosa: Yes
7. Nick Noonam: Yes
8. Conor Gillaspie: Yes
9. Roger Kieschnick: Yes
10. Eddy Martinez- Esteve: Only if Jacks Williams stays
Which SF prospects are you willing to trade for the bat Sabean will be trading for?
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This, pretty much, unless it’s for a good bat we’ll control for at least 2-3 years (which is highly unlikely to happen.)
For a rental like Matt Holliday? Hell nah.
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by jponry on Jun 24, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty psyched about Neal’s season. This probably means he’ll get traded to Oakland, come up next season, and hit 40 dingers.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they trade Neal, I will throw myself down some stairs
His power potential, along with his outfield arm sound awesome. Although I think I heard Bobby Evans talking about him being a first basemen and that one of the reasons he’s in the outfield is because Villalonas at 1B.
by superk1ng on Jun 24, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Neal only played 1B last year because he was still recovering from a shoulder injury.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 24, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s right. OF is his natural position and he likes playing there. He’s got great arm strength for it too.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 24, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will throw Sabean down the stairs, then drag him back up by his hair and throw him down again, if they trade my boy.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless he brings back a stud…that’s the problem with stuff like this. It all depends ont he return.
by tyrannoman on Jun 25, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m really psyched but I keep being worried that he’s just Travis Ishikawa or Eddy Martinez-Esteve in disguise. IDK.
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by jponry on Jun 24, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping he goes to BIG BAD DODD and kicks it in the nuts.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he does that, he might move into the top 75 or even 50 for prospects.
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by marcello on Jun 24, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s a very good chance of that happening.
I would not trade Posey, Alderson, or Neal.
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by Lyle on Jun 25, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about Neal is, this season isn’t coming out of nowhere. Hard to remember now, but in his first pro experience he was putting up an .800 OPS as an 18 year old in the Northwest League among much older competition prior to suffering his shoulder injury (about 120 ABs). The rest of ’06 and all of ’07 were lost to that injury.
Then last year he finally was able to play again and put up very solid power numbers and decent walk rates in a very tough hitters park. He was quite streaky and struck out way too much, but for being his first real competitive action in almost two years, and his first full season as a pro it was certainly encouraging.
I think it’s more likely that if he hadn’t just had an ill-timed dive back into first base he’d have had us salivating back in ‘07, then that he’s a mirage now. Remember Travis first year in the Sally was so horrible he had to be returned to the NWL for a return engagement (the first of many in Travis’ minor league travails). Neal’s never had a failure of production like that at any stop so far.
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by Roger on Jun 24, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, definitely, there are reasons why Neal is not the same as EME or Ishi, but I’ve just been burned before.
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by jponry on Jun 24, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Useful_Idiot on Jun 24, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah! Allowing others to love you is not tha hardest part. It is love others properly after getting burned.
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by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crawford?
Anyway, this is a problem. If you declare all those untouchable, along with Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval, and Wheeler (once he signs), you’ll basically be starting any trade talk by announcing that your top ten players are all off the table. You can’t really do business like that.
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by Cookyman on Jun 24, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, if you think Neal and Crawford are untouchable, you’re basically saying that you don’t want to make any trades
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 24, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a maybe. With the way Renteria is flopping so far, he might be more valuable to the Giants than we think. He’s cut his K% some since he went to AA.
You can’t really do business like that.
And that’s fine with me. I think the Giants are playoff contenders like I’m a professional male model.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a male model, not a male prostitute.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
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That song always makes me think of Barry Zito.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jun 24, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a male prostitute, not a male model
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by rxmeister on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renteria is irrelevant. He’s not going to be with us after next year, and Crawford doesn’t look even close to ready.
Also, I guess that you are currently a professional male model, but you think that it’s a result of luck and not of your own talent, so it’s probably not going to last for long?
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by Cookyman on Jun 24, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s the next best SS FA? I honestly have no idea. Anyways, Crawford is a maybe. I’m not saying I wouldn’t deal him in the right trade, but right now I’d probably hang on to him since I don’t really view us as contenders.
I just want to watch the team play middling .500 baseball the rest of the year and not make any stupid trades.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s rare for any really good player to hit the FA market these days, and almost anyone who does hit the market will sign with a team with bigger resources than the Giants.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy is the only exciting name in the next couple of years, and he’s getting less exciting by the minute. Christian Guzman is a decentish option, I guess. Except for that there’s just a crap load of terrible hitters, plus Derek Jeter.
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by Cookyman on Jun 24, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in 2012 Jose Reyes will hit the FA market. He’ll probably get a bunch of money.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s too far away anyway, he could easily sign an extension by then. And yeah, he’ll probably get a ton of money.
I’d love to have him, though.
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by Cookyman on Jun 24, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only the Giants had listened to Grant and traded for Ben Zobrist. :(
Though I don’t think Zobrist would be nearly this successful here.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just went to Handsome Boy Modelling School™, that’s all.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jun 24, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a bright future that was ruined by an ironing accident.
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by Cookyman on Jun 24, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you think there’s more to life than being really really really really… Ridiculously good looking?
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by JRPhillips on Jun 25, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheeler’s untouchable for a year after he signs by MLB rule, no?
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by Smoke on the Water on Jun 24, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
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by marcello on Jun 24, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PTBNL
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by Cookyman on Jun 25, 2009 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can only do that for a max amount of time, which I can’t remember right now. It’s like 3 or 6 months, I believe.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same, but I’d also trade AnVil (heresy!) and Crawford is a definite no for me.
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by marcello on Jun 24, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’d trade Villalona but not Crawford?
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by Cookyman on Jun 25, 2009 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
If Crawford could be a +5 SS, he wouldn’t need much more than a .300 wOBA to be above average. If Villalona’s a -5 1B, he’d need to have ~.370 wOBA to be above average. Plus, if you’re looking to get something good back, you’re going to need to trade one of the big boys, and he’s the one I would trade.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since you brought up math
The difference between a +5 SS and a -5 1B is 30 runs. The difference between a .370 wOBA and a .300 wOBA is 40 runs. So if your numbers were true, Villalona would still be 10 runs better than Crawford. For Crawford to be better, the difference on offense would need to be fewer than 30 runs, or about .050 points of wOBA. It’s likely to be much higher than that.
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by Cookyman on Jun 25, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m assuming Crawford would close the gap on defense though.
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference between a +5 SS and a -5 1B is 30 runs.
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by Cookyman on Jun 25, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, durr, for some reason I thought you were talking offense only.
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were estimates, so I’m actually pretty happy with how close they were. I think a .300 wOBA for Crawford is pretty attainable, and would expect better from him. With Villalona’s plate discipline issues, .370 is hoping for a lot. He certainly has the talent, I just don’t think the likelihood of reaching it is that great.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can easily see Villalona hitting .280/.330/.500, which translates to a ~.370 wOBA.
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by Cookyman on Jun 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t seem right, I think the OBP would need to be up around .350-.360 to get a .370 wOBA.
Anyways, if you factor in scarcity, the fact that we have almost no SS depth in the entire organization and 1B is the easiest position to fill, Crawford seems like the keeper over Villalona.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by thehavenot on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, my apologies. I wouldn’t throw him away, it would have to be for something nice.
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by marcello on Jun 26, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU JUST USE PEOPLE AND THEN THROW THEM AWAY!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 26, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This…but i’ll trade Crawford.
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by haverecords on Jun 24, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This,
but i’d like to keep Kiesch also. All-star.
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by The Enchanter on Jun 25, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants trade Tim Alderson, I will throw xanthan out the window.
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by Natto on Jun 24, 2009 4:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
xanthan will break into a million pieces and the parts like the hard drive and memory can’t be resold.
by SFGuy on Jun 24, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the right player
Any of them.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'll bite
Who’d be the right players to give up Bumgarner or Posey for?
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by EliminateMe on Jun 24, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am curious as well.
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by Natto on Jun 24, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Among several select others.
Adrian Gonzales might be in the bumgarner camp
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re not going anywhere though.
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by Natto on Jun 24, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Natto.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 24, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, okay...
…but none of those guys is getting traded any time soon.
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by EliminateMe on Jun 24, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade Madison Bumgarner for 1993 Ken Griffey Jr.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
They are as much “untouchables” as we consider Bumgardner and Posey to be “untouchables”.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can trade Bumgardner. He sucks.
I’d hang onto Bumgarner though.
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by Natto on Jun 24, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn’t the question
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by Goofus on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But aren’t we assuming that reality applies to it?
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by Natto on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As FWF said, if we’re going to trade our “untouchables” , you’d want “untouchables” coming back. The point is no one should be absolutely untouchable.
Hell, I’d trade Lincecum for the right price. (That price would be huuuuge.)
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by Goofus on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would absolutely trade Lincecum for Evan Longoria and David Price, for example.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then of course I’d trade Bumgarner for some one like Hanley. It’s never going to happen though.
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by Natto on Jun 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not really the point or the question.
Would you trade Bumgarner and Villalona for Wright?
Carlos Beltran?
There are players out there for whom I would certainly consider reaching into the “untouchable” bin.
And to say that great players never get traded is factually incorrect. Great players worth of untouchable prospects get traded all the time (Arod, Teixeria, etc).
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t say that great players never get traded.
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by Natto on Jun 25, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said "That will never happen"
Which I interpreted as “players that good would never get traded”
Perhaps I was wrong. While I don’t see a scenario in which Longoria or Hanley get’s traded, I can see those in which Wright or Beltran wood, for example.
Both of the latter would be players we would have to dig into the “untouchables” for.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on the context
Longoria and Hanley are both young and under control by their respective clubs for a decent amount of time. They wouldn’t get traded. David Wright is young, great, and has the “face of the franchise” thing going for him, so it is unlikely he’ll get traded. Beltran is a different story since he’s older and is making a good amount of dough.
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by Natto on Jun 25, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I understand that it is incrediblty unlikely that those players get traded
And as such, it is incredibly unlikely that the Giants would trade the “untouchables”.
However, if for some strange reason the Rays decided to unload Longoria – we would me remiss to say that Bumgarner, Posey, Etc. were off the table.
And stranger things have happened.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by JRPhillips on Jun 25, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miguel Cabrera
I was actually wondering what it would take to get him??? Could we give less if we took him and Dontrell and ate his salary? Angel and Alderson for Cabrera and willis?
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by The Thrill on Jun 24, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera might eat Dontrelle’s salary first.
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by JRPhillips on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel would be asking for leftovers.
by tyrannoman on Jun 25, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera might eat Dontrelle’s salaryfirst.
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by nvsfg on Jun 28, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
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by Goofus on Jun 25, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with wil
only the top two guys are absolutely untouchable. Of course it would take a huge acquisition to give up Alderson but I wouldn’t completely rule it out. Outside of the top 4, I’m not all that protective of any of the others
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 24, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not up for trading prospects unless we’re getting a good player back who’s under our control for a while. Short term moves that sacrifice our long term future are a mistake.
by Missing Barry on Jun 24, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates have had this strategy going for about thirteen years now.
by quincy0191 on Jun 27, 2009 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot one major part of their "strategy" for most of those 13 years. " I want my payroll under $$ 50 MM while I’m doing it." And that my brethren is just a little different.
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by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buster and Madbum: NO
Alderson and Villalona: nah
Everyone else: Yes
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by CB30 on Jun 24, 2009 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Any one but Crawford..
But seriously, I’d only not trade MadBum/Buster/Crawford
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by Azmanz on Jun 24, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty much in agreement with Xanthan.
MadBum and Posey are easy No’s.
Neal and Big V I put into that category too, since they’re both young with power potential, and this team can’t afford to trade one of them and have them become a 30 HR player in a few years, while we trot out the likes of Nate Schierholtz and Fred Lewis in the corner OF spots.
Alderson I would be okay with trading for the right player….like a Ryan Zimmerman or someone like that, who is young and who can be an all-star caliber player for the Giants.
Crawford, I would prefer not trade him just because he probably would be an upper echelon defensive SS already in the NL, and if he can hit at all we might have our own J.J. Hardy and that would be pretty valuable for the Giants.
But that leaves a ton of other pitchers available, AAAA guys and anyone on the ML roster not named Lincecum, Cain or Romo.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
according to SI’s Jon Heyman (who, I guess, probably isn’t wrong every single time)
• The Rays would like to acquire a closer, but would have to do it without adding payroll. Tough task.so, what will you give us for Brian Wilson?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 24, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re obviously not going to trade away Wilson while we’re in the lead of the Wild Card. Maybe they’ll take Bobby Howry off our hands though. He has closer experience and they can just give us some A ball upside arm.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to trade Wilson and have Affeldt, a pitcher than Wilson, close. Obviously this is far too outside the box for Giants brass to even consider
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 24, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too
think Wilson is the most replaceable piece with a lot of value/overvalued by the rest of the league. Most of the arms in the pen are better than any closer the Ginats have had in quite a few years.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 24, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except Wilson has been better than Affeldt this year, and is one of the best relievers in the league.
About as good as that one guy…Joe Nathan. Ever heard of him?
by Nibbler on Jun 24, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think we can get Crawford with a package around Wilson?
by SeeingStars on Jun 24, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TB wouldn’t trade one of their best players when they are trying to stay in contention this year. Not to mention he’s been the face of their franchise.
I’d rather have Desmond Jennings….
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t he due like 10 million next year in his last year?
I remember a few months back a lot of rumors of the Rays possibly shipping Crawford since they have a lot of bats they want up or to fall back to(Zobrist/Joyce vs. Kapler). Percival is gone too right so I don’t imagine them sticking with such a shaky bullpen.
by SeeingStars on Jun 24, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it wasn’t Crawford’s last year of his deal, I would give up a bunch for him! Would look real good in orange and black
But with only one year left, there is too much of a risk to give up buster, madbum, or alderson. Any of the other guys I would be okay with, but we better try our best to resign him. Most comp picks don’t end up being a carl crawford
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you here.
If the Ray’s don’t pick up his option I have a hard time deciding who would be a better off season signing between him and Holiday.
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by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think there’s a realistic chance they wouldn’t pick up his option? Wouldn’t they at least just pick it up to trade him? Seems like they could get more for him that way.
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by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike the Fish I think the Rays want to win and win for a long time.
I think it all comes down to the budget they have to run things and just how what they think of their own OF farm hands. And though I don’t have answers to last 2 I think it is entirely possible their answers to either of those 2 questions force that issue. I just can’t tell you ho probable that it forces the issue.
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by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t they forced to have a small payroll though due to attendance revenue?
by SeeingStars on Jun 25, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it would seem. But I would not be shocked if they think they can increase payroll a bit. Their attendance has gone up the last couple full seasons (it has been a month or so since I looked at this season’s attendance figures).
It would also not shock me if they figure they are better off spending that money else were. I view them (operating budget wise) are about in the same boat as the DBacks or Rox.
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by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does EME even count as a prospect anymore?
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Jun 24, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the EME part was a joke. Or at least partially a joke.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 24, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to wil.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 24, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to go out on a limb and say: It depends.
On paper, this team doesn’t look like a contender — but so far, it is. Let’s see where we are in a month. If we’re still leading the wild-card chase, I’d trade nearly anyone in the right deal.
by Evan on Jun 24, 2009 5:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it logical that we keep drafting pitchers because we can develop them well and thus can use them as trade material to get a bat? Wouldn’t Alderson be a perfect example of this?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 24, 2009 6:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit A) See the ’09 DBack and Webb. Do you realy think they would be as far back he was already done missing games?
Exhibit B) Have you noticed the Blue Jays this year? Nice record still relevant and possibly in the hunt. They also have dang near an entire Starting Rotation on the DL.
The reality is half a MLB roster is pitchers. You can always use a better one to strengthen on of those 10-12 spots if you fancy yourself a pretender or a contender.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just strikes me as foolish logic anymore. We haven’t successfully traded pitchers for above average bats in some time, and the better hitters don’t tend to reach free agency these days. To me, you really have to draft pitchers and hitters both, and develop both. Trying to minimize how you approach building your team just weakens your team.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Jun 25, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m hoping we can add one really good pitcher to the starting rotation each year. If we have a pipeline that exceeds those plans, that’s where I’d be looking to deal a pitcher.
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 25, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Besides Boston, is there any team in the league with “excess pitching?” Is there any team that couldn’t stand to add at least 1, if not 2 starters?
Even Boston, with Dice-K’s injury, is pulling penning off the block. This just goes to show you, you can never, ever, EVER, have enough pitching.
by jctGamer on Jun 25, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely, but I wouldn’t look at the Giants’ track record and say, “No more drafting hitters early.” I mean, it’s not like every Giants 1st round pitching prospect craps sub-3.00 ERAs and 9.0+ K/9 rates. Look at Brad Hennessey or Jesse Foppert.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL OF THEM
All this dissent in the McC ranks is too much to bear. No more Frandsenberry threads, or Bowkermania or Free Nate. Just stick with veteran savvy, so that we can all get plenty of sleep and not angry up the blood so much with the excitement of future players. You are all just too titillated by Posey and Neal and the others, so let’s fill the ML ranks with Aurilias and all gather in losing and loving harmony.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 24, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It depends on what we’d be getting in return, obviously. For a rental player who would be a free agent after the season, no way I’d deal one of the big four, and almost certainly not any other hitter in our system of note (Neal, Kieschnick, Crawford, maybe one or two others).
If, on the other hand, we’d be getting a player who would be under contract/team control for a couple of years, I think Alderson would be expendable as part of a package of prospects, if that player was good enough. I would even give up Villalona in the highly unlikely scenario that it brought back a young, heart of the order hitter who would be under team control for at least a few years.
Basically, I think the general rule is this— Don’t give up Posey, Bumgarner, or Villalona. Alderson can only be had if he brings back a young player we’d control for more than just this year. Also, try and avoid dealing any young, promising position players, because we need to keep lots of them around in the hopes that one or two will develop into useful big leaguers. True, not all of them will, but the more you trade away, the more chances of someone going all Pablo Sandoval and morphing into a heart of the order prospect you lose.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jun 24, 2009 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Posey for Matt Holliday, Bumgarner for Uggla, Alderson for Derrek Lee, and Villalona/Sanchez for J.J. Hardy.
I’ll just set up my folding chair on Market and wait for the parade to come to me!
by Grant on Jun 24, 2009 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re a bad person….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jun 24, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
We’d certainly make the playoffs this year.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and quite likely win the WS
would it be worth it ?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could guarantee the WS, maybe. But in the best case scenario we’d be something like a 15% chance to win it if we made the playoffs.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SPESHUL SAUCE
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 25, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate the Giants so?
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to hold on to bumgarner and alderson, posey, villalona
But anyone can be traded depending on the value that you get back, but a future rotation of LIncecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Alderson, plus a fifth starter. is what I am waiting for. I think this year just shows you how far you can go with just good pitching, even without much hitting. Our 3rd 4th and 5th pitching prospects are probably better prospects than a lot of teams have.
by bradleybear on Jun 24, 2009 10:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just so you know
5th starter = zito
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 25, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marlins GM: Mr. Sabean, care to talk trade for a bit?
Sabean: Sure thing, but before we start, I want you to know that Bumgarner, Alderson, Villalona, Posey and Neal are off the table.
Marlins GM: Oh well that’s too bad. I was going to offer Hanley for Alderson straight up, but I guess you’re not interested.
Sabean: Wait, that’s not-
Marlins GM: Too late! No take-backs
Sabean: Wait, I changed my-
Marlins GM: Lalalalala, I can’t hear you, lalalalala
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
McCC = McClain Chronicles
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what would it take to land Freddy Sanchez? Or a Sanchez/LaRoche package. Would it take Alderson to get that done or something more like Sosa/Downs?
Thing A
"no homo"
by sam23 on Jun 25, 2009 12:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fred Sanchez kind of worries me. When he is on he is red hot and when he is not ( glances towaqrd Scott) well… umm… I have run out of nice things to say.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t want to give up: Bumgarner, Posey, Alderson, Crawford, Wheeler. Everyone else is game. I’m a stickler on Crawford because I think he plays a position of need (SS) and isn’t too far off (the giants could dump renteria during the trade deadline next season). I’m fine with trading AnVil, strangely, if the return was good enough. I would, however, want to keep either anVil or Neal. I don’t want both to go, but neither are untouchable.
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 25, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well this just made my book length post unnecessary.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No List(non 2009 draftees):
Posey
Bumgarner
Neal
For a Legit Return(non rental and a star, AKA Miggy):
Alderson
Crawford
AnVil
Fare Game
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 25, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble gum.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Jun 25, 2009 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you missed a spot
Make sure to apply an even coat of sunscreen.
by OmahaGiants on Jun 27, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Danny Knobler @ CBS sports
The Giants could use a hitter and Knobler hears that Brian Sabean’s facing pressure from his superiors to make a move.
Dear lord, save us from ourselves
by Classy_Argonaut on Jun 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and who does knobler talke to?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is our managing general partner always pressuring Sabes to sell the future for a mediocre run at the present? :(
by Hobbes2d on Jun 25, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen this in a couple places, but never attributed to an actual source.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jun 25, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this (Sabean under pressure to make a big move) is speculation in the reporter’s part. It runs counter to everything The Bow Tie has been saying since he took over. The reports never cite source yet. I guess we should count ourselves lucky that this speculation has not been picked up and echoed as “fact ”across the interwebs and other media. .
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I put very little stock in that
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 25, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but there have long been rumors of Bow Tie’s desires to “make a splash” so to speak. Also, I think it needs to be said that with Baer having a larger role in ownership that is something that can’t be ignored. He is quite possibly one of my least favorite parts of the Giants over the past 15 years.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 25, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When most owners take over, there tends to be a desire to “make a splash.” My hope is that Neukom knows that if there’s nothing to get or if it’s a bad trade, he knows better than to attempt to do something short-sighted.
I’d like to think that what we’ve seen up to now in Neukom’s tenure as MGP, he’s smart enough to not force Sabean into doing something foolish.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Jun 26, 2009 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
today the BP computerizers
gave the giants a 44.67% chance of the Giants making the playoffs, using PECOTA to predict the rest of the season (I suspect PECOTA makes the “rational” assumption that Rich Aurillia has been dead for the last 18 months… but I digress)
That’s a pretty good chance. Better than any non-divisional leader in the NL. There are not a whole lot of players period, let alone available, that are going to give a realistic +3 win boost to the Giants (for the duration), and there is realistically no chance we are catching the Dodgers. It’s true that the Giants have gotten sub-replacement level production out of 1B/2B, but – Ishikawa has been turning it around, and his defense is helping. Downs/Frandsen – whatever their faults are probably going to be at least replacment level. Renteria is the next biggest hole, but he’s (just barely) replacement value, and frankly, there is no freaking WAY we are upgrading at SS.
The rest of the team is meh-to-good (the good being Sandoval/Rowand), so to really improve we would need a superduperstar in the OF or 3B.
Frankly, I don’t see getting either
a) mutiple good postition players
or
b) an all-star calibre position player
without selling the farm, and I really, really, really think that’s a bad idea. Even trading our #5 starter, Sanchez, isn’t going to really help, because we still are going to have to pull 80-odd 5th starter innings out of somewhere.
Finally – the impact of such a trade, while small on the wild card, is highly unlikely to matter in the playoffs. For a mediocre team playing well, we have kind of a perfect distribution of talent for the playoffs.
I would still be on the look out for league average IFs, but I would not offer anything on the top 40 prospect list. Some kinda A-ball “live arm” OK. A toosly fast OF?? You got him. Eugenio Velez? TAKE 2 PLEASE.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 25, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson
Is looking better and better.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how you got from
Downs/Frandsen – whatever their faults are probably going to be at least replacment level….The rest of the team is meh-to-good
To
so to really improve we would need a superduperstar in the OF or 3B
If we’re getting replacement level production from 2B, and above replacement production from 3B and the OF, wouldn’t it be easier to find improvement at 2B? I’d get it maybe if there were a lot of great OF and 3B out there, but the only one close to that is Holliday, who simply hasn’t been that good.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 25, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah... I see the confusion
“so to really improve THE REST OF THE TEAM we would need to…”
Outside of the problem areas… To restate:
Improve 1B/2B to replacement: trivial and costs nothing.
Improve SS: not happening. Average SSs are just not available, really, and Renteria might improve a bit.
Improve C: Not seen as a problem, but the easiest thing would be to put Pablo there 3days/week, which makes this the same as “improve 3B”
Improve 3B/OF Not likely to get a big bang for the buck – and certainly not worth any minor league talent.
Improve 1B/2B to average: This is the most likely avenue for success, but it is probably not worth the price, unless we really win the “salary relief” sweepstakes.
Improve P: Silly.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 25, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
- Keep all “A” prospects
- Dangle “B” prospects only for young/inexpensive top talent
- All “C” prospects are available
by wilriv21 on Jun 25, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, 'cause teams really like to trade young/inexpensive top talent
for B prospects
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler Graham and Velez for JJ Hardy.
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
by Norm Median on Jun 25, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d take one of Babe Ruth’s bats for Velez. I’d take a pitcher of lemonade for Velez. I’d take someone else paying Velez’ salary for Velez.
by quincy0191 on Jun 27, 2009 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A’s would lol at you.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But would they? I would rather have Romo than a half year of Holliday.
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 25, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A significant segment of their fans would laugh but then those same people want rainbows, unicorns and a pony to slightly mashed banana slug.
I mean really the A’s gave a bag spare parts that might be useful ( to someone else because they aren’t that useful to us anymore) for a full season of Holiday and these fans think Holiday has improved THAT much to want between a knight’s to king’s ransom for less than half play time.
I still think Beane’s plan to trade for the pick(s) is sound though I wonder if this economy is going to sink this little experiment.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this +1000
The A’s gave up not a lot for him, and they want 3x the return for half a season of him
by jctGamer on Jun 27, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, this has to be challenged
The A’s gave up a top 25 prospect from the previous season and a former ROY reliever for him. Plus a serviceable #5 starter.
The above proposal would have them trade him for two guys who’ve never cracked the top 100.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Jun 27, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The contention is not that the A’s gave up crap but that they gave up non pivotal talent. Some of which had started to earn thier way into lesser playing time and roles.
Just as my fan base has idoits a segment that think HR’s are the end all be all the A’s have fan base as segment that think a player can always be regarded in the same light as when they were in shiniest, prospect best as long as they have not yet signed a free agent contract. I know you are not one of those but I felt the need to state the counter weight to their absurd claim.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone
I would trade anyone if it would help the team in the long run.
But realistically, I wouldn’t trade Lincecum, Bumgarner, Posey or Rafael Rodriguez. Add Wilson and Sandoval to that list, along with Barry Zito. (Just seeing who’s awake!)
There are several others I wouldn’t want to trade, but no others that I wouldn’t. deal.
by sharksrog on Jun 26, 2009 1:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would trade them all
If it meant I could do nothing but watch baseball all day.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 26, 2009 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wheeler
In my humble opinion, we have enough pitching, and its ok to have one weak starter. We dont know yet how good Wheeler will be. Maybe he will be MadBum status, or maybe Tony Torcato status. If you can get a good young player for him, do it.
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 26, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We can’t trade him when we haven’t signed him yet.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 26, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
As soon as we do( fingers crossed), trade him!
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player can't be traded for six months after being drafted
It’s actually a year, but you can get around that with a technicality.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jun 26, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im willing to look past that
if you are
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s a good idea anyway.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 26, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Im just throwin it out there
but I guess its not possible
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clayton Tanner for Adam Kennedy
Any takers?
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Jun 26, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would say we are in the right ball park. I am not sure if Tanner is a rule 5 guy this comming winter or not (I don’t remember his age when signed). If he is rule 5 guy this winter might be a little light on our in. Of course I’ll bow to the true Giants’ prospect hounds opinion on Tanners worth.
To my mind it is more question if Kennedy is the right move for the Giants to make (but that is another topic) and certainly would heavily consider it.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I'm evaluating Tanner as someone with a ~20% chance of becoming a back-end starter
Doesn’t take a huge amount of value from Kennedy to equal that (which is good, because he doesn’t actually HAVE a huge amount of value, bizarrely good six weeks this season notwithstanding).
He’s cheap filler, which is what the Giants need. The A’s are getting Mark Ellis back soon anyway, and Kennedy doesn’t really have a place to play.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Jun 27, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he could play 3rd
maybe they will try it, they really need a 3B, I dont know when Chavez is coming back, but Hanahans hitting like .190 and is horrible defensively
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 27, 2009 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually more concerned that Tanner might not under team control enough to make it fair to the A’s.
The comment about Kennedy himself was meant to acknowledge I had not thought a lot about what his current skill set would bring to the current Giants squad besides a steady glove at 2nd (no small thing).
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 27, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as I can tell, he isn't Rule 5 eligible until December 2010
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Jun 27, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool beans. I think that i pretty much square deal for both sides then.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 28, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d do that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 26, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, why not.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 26, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gerald is our best option....
This depends on what Giants Brass feels about Pablo. Pablo this season has established himself as a fan favorite, as well as an offensive force. The question is what is his position long term? If giants management believes he can catch after this year I would think that Posey becomes a surplus (ala Laporta last year for the Brewers). I also believe that the ideal trade partner would be Detroit. If they are hemorrhaging money, as has been reported and the giants are willing to take on salary, as reported, As has been discussed Miguel Cabrera should be the target, with a Package built around Posey and salary relief (Nate Robertson, WIllis, Ordonez- pick your poison).
The difficulty is that Detroit is leading the central right now…
by OmahaGiants on Jun 27, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If they trade Posey, I’ll throw howtheyscored out a window.
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 27, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If SF fields another catcher not named Posey then Posey can play another position on the Giants.
by wilriv21 on Jun 27, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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