Fred Lewis and Flyballs
There's been a lot of talk around McC and other Giants sites about Fred Lewis. I was writing a little about Lewis today when I started to think out loud.
Something I wanted to work into the main article, but I didn’t was that in 2008, Fred Lewis hit an insane: .323/.320/.781 on flyballs. That’s good for a sOPS+ of 182. Fred hit 82% better than the league average hitter for flyballs. That’s just incredible. And not repeatable most likely for Lewis.
Flyballs are turned into outs more than groundballs, but they do more damage when they fall for hits. Lewis was batting over .300 on flyballs in 2008. Even Albert Pujols "only" hit .234/.223/.766 on flyballs in 2008, or an sOPS+ of 135.
This year Fred is hitting .135/.135/.514 on flyballs. That’s an sOPS+ of 49. He’s under the league average for flyballs by 51%. That’s a huge hit for any batter to take. Combine that with his drop in BABIP and you’ve got a struggling hitter. Since most of his underlying numbers are the same, I would think that if his average on flyballs moves back towards league average or at least something respectable and than the current sOPS+ 49 that he’s dealing with, Lewis should see a bump in his offensive production.
Lewis won't post a 180 sOPS+ on flyballs going forward but he's just been getting killed lately when he's hitting the ball into the air. Anyone have any ideas as to why? Bad luck? And, does anyone have any good links for studies on this sort of thing? I'm looking to learn.
Here's a bad looking graph of Fred Lewis' sOPS+ for groundballs, flyballs, and liners from 2007-2009
Everything looks pretty similar except for the extreme drop off in flyball sOPS+.
Any ideas why? Also, please don't turn this into a FRED LEWIS STINKS thread. I'll send jponry after you.
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I would think that a hitter’s power would have something to do with how well they hit for average with FB’s. If you’re David Eckstein, hitting balls into the air probably isn’t a good thing for you. But, it’s not like Lewis is entirely powerless. He’s posted a near league average ISO the past two years.
So, what gives? I’ll stop replying to myself now.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t, it’s funny to laugh at people who do that.
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by WalrusMan on Jun 25, 2009 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FRED LEWIS IS BAD ON DEFENSE AND NOTHING YOU SAY WILL CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Jun 24, 2009 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that's what
I thought this post was going to be about – Lewis’ ability to catch flyballs.
by coicoy on Jun 28, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, I just looked it up
LD% of 26 vs 17 for last season and 19 for his career.
Maybe he is just unlucky?
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 24, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His GB/FB ratio is down to 0.89.
2007: 1.12
2008: 1.18
2009: 0.89
Maybe he’s trying to hit the ball in the air. Not always the best approach. He was told to be more agressive.
But yeah, you’d think with his LD% up those fly balls would drop more.
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by ResDog on Jun 24, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/glares threateningly at anyone wanting to start with the “FRED LEWIS SUCKS” stuff
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by jponry on Jun 24, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL Darth Baby
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by ResDog on Jun 24, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this.
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by WalrusMan on Jun 25, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lol’d
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by Goofus on Jun 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he certainly doesnt suck, but he also certainly must be disappointed in his own performance, above and beyond our disappointment because of the lofty expectations that we placed on him
is it as simple as saying that he just doesnt seem to get the same drive on the ball? could his worthless, gangrenous foot be causing it? magic 8 ball says all signs point to yes.
if the power and drive for a hitter comes from the lower body, and his lower body is supported by said clod hopper, then im thinking its bothering him more than anyone is letting on
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by Headhunter Rollins on Jun 24, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
is it as simple as saying that he just doesnt seem to get the same drive on the ball? could his worthless, gangrenous foot be causing it? magic 8 ball says all signs point to yes.
I don’t think it’s that simple. While his ISO is below his 2008 performance, it’s not that far off. He’s still hitting for almost the same amount of power. He’s just had really lousy results on flyballs.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I have one piece of information to add to this.
IFFB%
2007 – 13.5%
2008 – 1.1%
2009 – 12.5%
Don’t know if it accounts for everything, but it’s definitely a big factor.
by Missing Barry on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
jinx
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by oldjacket on Jun 24, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is IFFB% included in FB%? Because if so, that does explain a lot of it.
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by jponry on Jun 24, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it has to be if FB%, LD%, and GB% are the only categories and add up to 1.
by Missing Barry on Jun 24, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that 1.1% IFFB looks wrong. Is that even possible for a player to play most of the year and only have 1% infield pops? I’d wager it’s a misprint and it’s supposed to be 11%, or there’s a zero missing or something.
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by leftymalo on Jun 24, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Fred hit 95 flyballs last season and 1 of them were of the infield variety. Comparatively, this season he’s hit 40 flyballs and 5 of them have been in the infield.
by xanthan on Jun 25, 2009 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was the lowest pop-up % in the majors.
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by oldjacket on Jun 25, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
does FB count infield pop-ups?
I think he’s been swinging at more high fastballs this year, as opposed to last. His infield pop-ups have gone from 1.1% to 10%.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Jun 24, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good call. I assume that IFFB’s are included in FB’s. BB-Ref doesn’t say that IFFB’s aren’t in FB’s.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine that performance on fly balls is entirely attributable to luck & defense — aside from the ones that go over the fence, of course.
by Evan on Jun 24, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone knows Fred loves the left-center gap. I’ll bet defenses are much better positioned against him this year, and pitchers are more disciplined about keeping the ball away from him.
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by leftymalo on Jun 24, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d expect a defense adjustment or something, but he still looks really unlucky to me.
by xanthan on Jun 25, 2009 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he had one lucky year? And has now returned to somewhat normal? Uh oh
by m34josh on Jun 24, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are his strikeouts up this year? Because it sure seems like it, and he’s probably hitting around .000/.000/.000 on strikeouts, which would put a big dent in his numbers.
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by groug on Jun 24, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Strikeouts are up a little from 26.5% in ’08 to 29.9% this season.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes. 30 % K rate is never good if you’re not hitting a lot of HR’s or getting XBH’s when you put the ball into play.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis is always going to strikeout. He’s done it every level he’s played at. It shouldn’t shock anyone.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Lewis has always had a lot fo strikeouts. The difference between this year and years previous — well, there are two, but I kind of think one leads to the other — is that he isn’t swinging nearly as hard this season. I don’t know if he’s getting too much of that “Chili Davis used to write 70% on his bats” input, but this seems to be the major difference in Lewis ‘09. The other problem is he hasn’t been as selective at the plate. He seems to still have as discerning of an eye as ever, but he has been swinging at a variety of pitchers’ pitches this year. The one unique trait that Lewis always had was he was able to lay off a lot of those pitches.
by StickRat on Jun 24, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not shocked by it at all. But I remember seeing a blurb last year about how Lewis was one of very few OF’s who had 100 + K’s and less than 10 HR’s. Which is not exactly an ideal thing to have. His company last year:
B.J. Upton (who was injured and everyone would take over Lewis)
Carlos Gomez
Michael Bourn
and Adam Jones
3 of those guys were really young prospects in their first real ML season, and Upton was a guy who even now still is having major problems with his shoulder, similar to Scott Rolen a few years ago.
Lewis has regressed. Gomez still isn’t hitting, and Delmon Young is in the same boat, he had 10 HR’s last year and over 100 K’s. Bourn and Jones are much improved.
Can a team really afford to have an OF with little pop and who K’s that much? If Lewis could do the things that Bourn or Upton did, it would be less of a problem I think, but the difference between Lewis and the rest of these guys is he’s a corner OF. It’s not really ideal if you ask me.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can a team really afford to have an OF with little pop and who K’s that much?
I’d have to say no. And combine this with at best an average defensive performance (despite stats, I believe he’s a bit below average, and even if he were average, that would still not be satisfactory to me), and all signs point to needing a new LF who can hit a bit more.
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by can of corn on Jun 24, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Mayor of 311 on Jun 24, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think his defense is better than it “looks”. He’s going to need to hit better, but he’s still got some value by defense and baserunning. I kind of came to the conclusion today that the things that Fred Lewis does well, are pretty easy to overlook. Everyone wants a big slugging LF, but it doesn’t matter how value is constructed — as long as it’s there.
And, if you made a list of things that the Giants need to fix, LF production is pretty far down the list.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a specific “LF production” is far down the list for you, but “production” in general is a huge, ginormous gaping hole. If it were somehow possible to get some offense via a hard hitting left fielder, I’m not so attached to Lewis that I would oppose such a move. In fact, I may encourage it.
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by can of corn on Jun 24, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree in the sense that I’m not going to turn down [name of really good left fielder] because we have bigger fish to fry elsewhere. But 2B and SS have been pretty big problems for the Giants. Way bigger than anything in the OF, in my opinion.
Rowand and Winn should play as much as possible and then you can fill the last OF spot with one of Lewis, Nate, or BOWKERBOMBS. 2B is Matt Downs, Kevin Frandsen, or Emmanuel Burris. Ick.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not so sure he’s all that great of a baserunner though either. He has speed yes, but he’s not a good base stealer, and too many times I’ve seen him make mistakes where he got caught up or failed to take an extra base. For all of Pedro Feliz’s faults at swinging at anything in the lefties batter’s box, he was great with the glove, was versatile, and he was a fantastic baserunner. He also hit 20 HR’s a year.
I think people are just too attached to the idea of Fred Lewis. But Lewis to date looks like a career underachiever who may never come close to turning his tools into baseball skills. I think its probably hard for some because he would be the first real homegrown player to become a significant starter in awhile if he were able to make such a transformation, but he hasn’t. He’s merely tantalized us with potential. Much like Jonathan Sanchez. But I don’t really expect either to be part of this team’s extended future.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s more to good baserunning than stealing bases. Fred is probably close to a +5 run baserunner. That’s good.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m not attached to him in any other way than he plays for the team I like.
by xanthan on Jun 24, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that. Which is why I brought up how he often makes mistakes on the basepaths. His baseball instincts are poor.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how whenever Freddy’s on first base, Flemming says, “With the speed he possesses, this is a base Lewis has to steal here.”
I bet they don’t sit next to each other on the team plane.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 25, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not at all certain that Lewis is better than Nate or Bowker, but I do think that, going forward, Lewis/Bowker/Nate in the corner OF is much better than Renteria at SS, Burriss/Downs/Frandsen at 2B, or Ishikawa/Guzman at 1B. It would be great to have a good player at every position, but we have limited resources, and I’d much rather spend them on a 1B/2B/SS than another OF.
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by Cookyman on Jun 24, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by jponry on Jun 24, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1. Except I think he’s a decent player as well, and a late bloomer. Fred has patience, something this team desperately needs.
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by Aadik on Jun 24, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you 100% on the corner outfielder point. The guys you mention above are “speedsters,” in other words, guys that cover a ton of ground playing CF defense, and create runs on offense (except for Jones, who can actually hit.) KFred (sorry JPonry) doesn’t play lock down defense, doesn’t steal bases, and doesn’t provide the offense required of most corner outfielders. The more you look around the league, LF is a position where teams (including us in the BLB days) stuff the guys who can kinda field, but hit a ton. Looking at the Giants roster, something has to be done to create offense and LF seems to be the easiest place stuff someone that will punish a pitcher for throwing a fastball
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to get a K-Andres nickname soon?
Because his K-rate is higher than Fred’s (over 30%!)
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For you, absolutely. Remind me to do that when he is on pace for 150 strikeouts this year, but I am sure they would start benching him too at that point
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the moment, if Torres were to get 500 AB, he would strike out 150.9 times.
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he only has to get 5 ABs every game for the rest of the year without a day off and he might make it. I think the odds of that happening are about the same as KFred driving in 50 runs this year ;-)
Bottom line is, neither should start for a contender, but at least Torres can play all three outfield positions when coming off the bench and knows how to use his speed. Worthy of a spot on the pine!
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is just that harping on Fred’s strikeout rate all the time is ridiculous if you’re not going to get on Torres for striking out at an even worse rate.
And Fred is a fine baserunner, even if it hasn’t translated to big stolen base numbers this year.
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I despise other parts of his game too, but you know that, so i’ll save the typing. And you are correct, 5 is definitely not a big stolen base number, so i’ll give you that.
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, you are truly ridiculous.
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I considered a troll because I don’t have over 17000 comments? Whats the cutoff there?
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No cutoff, but comments like this are trolling. Also, the fact that you can’t ignore the strikeouts for one player but can’t ignore them quick enough for another.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t forgive them for anyone, but comparing the strikeouts of a guy that has rarely played with a guy that has 200+ at bats is silly. I think if you look above the dumb troll remark, you will see my mention that one can steal bases and backup three positions so I called him what HE IS, a perfect fifth outfielder, pinch runner, defensive replacement, blah blah blah.
Neither him nor kfred should get anywhere near the playing time to get 150 Ks, but seeing as one has 4x as many ABs as the other, I guess its possible
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred can steal bases too, even if he hasn’t done it this year (21 steals in 08). And as has been said before, there’s more to baserunning than just stealing bases and Fred is quite good at the rest of it.
The point is that your dislike of Fred Lewis is ridiculous (and you even brought it into this discussion topic in which xanthan specifically requested that people not bash Fred Lewis). I mean it’s one thing not to like a player – it’s another thing to call him a mean nickname and denigrate him at every opportunity.
My original point was just that Torres is striking out a lot – more than Lewis, rate-wise. You can argue it’s not a big deal, since he’s only meant to be a fifth outfielder, but how well can you expect him to hit longterm if he continues to strike out 30% of the time, especially considering he’s got a much higher isoP and isoD so far than you would expect from his minor league stats (and he is 31, so it’s unlikely it’s a case of a breakout, I would say.) if he hits like his PrOPS from THT (about .220/.320/.400), he’d still be a useful 5th OF. If his power or walks go down, you start having problems.
Now, you could say “Well, who cares, 5th OF is like the least of our problems” and I would respond with, “So is Fred Lewis.”
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Fred is a fine baserunner, even if it hasn’t translated to big stolen base numbers this year.
10th best in the league so far this year.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. I was looking at his baserunning numbers on my site a few days ago. He’s always rated well.
by xanthan on Jun 25, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s where I got the idea from.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWOOP!
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by howtheyscored on Jun 25, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, please don’t turn this into a FRED LEWIS STINKS thread.
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by oldjacket on Jun 25, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“and doesn’t provide the offense required of most corner outfielders.”
Can we at least acknowledge the fact that if he hits the way he does last year, he DOES provide enough offense?
by Missing Barry on Jun 25, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think people are focusing too much on offense and not the total package of a player’s skills.
/shrug
by xanthan on Jun 25, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just focusing too much on offense
People are focusing too much on DINGERZ
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I would say focusing too much on “STRIKEOUTZZZZ!” but they all seem to love Torres, so IDK.
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by jponry on Jun 25, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They love Torres for like 5 minutes
He is starting to get exposed for what he is – a career MiL who was on a hot streak.
He didn’t look to good at the plate last night.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people expected a lot from Lewis
and nothing from Torres
so Torres is playing above expectations
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could be focusing on offense but also seeing his defense, which in actually really doesn’t look like it would be above average.
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by WalrusMan on Jun 25, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought this would be about balls bouncing off the tip of his glove seemingly all the time. lol.
I actually think Lewis to my own eyes has hit for a bit more power over the past month or so, than he ever has before. When he actually turns on a pitch, he can drive it a long way. But he hardly ever pulls the ball it seems. :(
by Hobbes2d on Jun 24, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Three of his homers and half his triples(1) came in a two week span in may. It seems to me he is struggling lately. I have actually been more impressed with Torres this month, although he too seems to be slumping the last week or so. I guess I am hoping Torres sticks as a guy next year as a 5th outfielder because he can play any of the three positions, pinch run, and back up whoever the Giants pick up to play LF. Definitely has potential as a role player
by m34josh on Jun 25, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then Big Head must be gone for 2010. If Torres had not been hurt for part of May (and April i think) I have to wonder how many less innings the pre free agent corner OFers woudl have had.
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by daveinexile on Jun 25, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torres sucks, look at his career numbers. I mean maybe he’s improved a lot around age 30, but the likelihood of that is pretty small, and it’s more likely that he’s just been on a lucky streak that will come crashing down to reality soon.
by Missing Barry on Jun 25, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's the next Melvin Mora!
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
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by thehavenot on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Jim Mora Jr.?
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by thehavenot on Jun 26, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to read this post twice before I realized that it wasn’t about his defense… maybe I should stop drinking
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Incorrect
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drink on through to the other side.
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by WalrusMan on Jun 25, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy your body. Use it every way you can. Don’t be afraid of it or of what other people think of it. It’s the greatest instrument you’ll ever own.
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by lyricalkiller on Jun 25, 2009 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, I’ve heard it’s possible to enjoy your body too much.
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by marcello on Jun 25, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lies!
by FairweatherFan on Jun 25, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What
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by Natto on Jun 25, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re freaking me out, man.
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