minor lines, 6/23/09
Highlights from the Giants' farm: (a,b) Fresno's two middle infielders--Emmanuel Burriss and Jake Wald--each homered while combining for seven hits; (c) Steve Hammond allowed just 1 ER in 7.0 IP; and (d) Juan Perez homered in the SAL all-star game. Also noteworthy, Tim Alderson took his turn in the rotation, although he had less than a quality start.
AAA: Fresno defeated Salt Lake 8-1
(breaking the game open with five run in 7th inning)
Fresno: 2B Emmanuel Burriss: 3 for 5, HR, CS
Fresno: LF John Bowker: 3 for 5, 2B
Fresno: PH-SS: Jake Wald: 4 for 4, HR
Fresno: C Steve Holm: 2 for 4, 2 2B
Fresno: LHP Steve Hammond: 7.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 1 K--1 WP
Fresno: RHP Osiris Matos: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Fresno: RHP Keichii Yabu: 1.0 IP, 1 H
Salt Lake: RHP Shane Loux: 2.2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 0 K--1 HR
Wald entered the game in the 2nd inning as a pinch hitter for Jesus Guzman and proceeded to have four hits in his four plate appearances, including a solo HR to lead off the 7th inning. Burriss also homered, leading off the game with a solo HR. He and Bowker each added three more hits, while Holm had his 5th and 6th doubles.
Hammond matched his longest start of the year, and perhaps this was his best start of the year with just 1 ER--an impressive way for him to bounce back from the 12 ER in his previous start. In relief, Matos had a perfect 8th inning, and Yabu made his first appearance in over two weeks as he also faced the minimum three batters in his inning of work. Loux, who began the year in the Angels' rotation, retired just six of the thirteen batters he faced.
AA: Connecticut lost to Portland 8-5
(allowing four runs in top of 9th inning)
Connecticut: 2B Brock Bond: 3 for 5, E
Connecticut: PH-LF Bobby Felmy: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Connecticut: RF Eddy Martinez-Esteve: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Portland: CF Josh Reddick: 2 for 4, HR, 2B, SF, SO
Portland: 1B Lars Anderson: 2 for 4, BB
Connecticut: RHP Tim Alderson: 5.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K--1 HR, 1 HB, 1 WP
Connecticut: LHP Ben Snyder: 2.2 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 3 K--1 WP
Connecticut: RHP Danny Otero: 0.1 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 K--1 HB
Connecticut: LHP Joe Paterson: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER
Bond continues to be the Defenders' leading hitter, today having three of the Defenders' dozen hits and raising his AVG to .327. Playing the two corner outfield spots, Felmy, who entered the game in the 2nd inning as a pinch hitter, and EME each had two hits in four plate appearances, including their 11th and 17th doubles. Reddick began the season with a few big games against Connecticut. He revisited that success today, including a HR to lead off the game. He had his 7th HR and 10th double, both against Alderson. Anderson, who entered the year considered the Red Sox' top prospect, reached base three times, but his OPS remains below .775.
Alderson made his eight start for the Defenders, and the 3 ER and 3 BB both matched his high marks during that time. His ERA rose to a still impressive 2.22. Snyder allowed three hits in this relief appearance, but his BAA remains just .191. Otero and Paterson have been very good this year, but tonight as they allowed four runs in the 9th inning. Both relievers still have ERAs of 1.75 or better.
A+: San Jose had the second day of its two-day all-star break
(The Cal League defeated the Carolina League 2-1 in 10 innings.)
California: RF Thomas Neal: 0 for 1, BB
California: RF Roger Kieschnick: 0 for 2, 2 SO
California: C Buster Posey: 1 for 2, SO
California: LF Jonathan Gaston: 1 for 4, HR, 3 SO
Carolina: RF Michael Burgess: 1 for 3, BB, SO
Carolina: RHP Ryne Miller: 2.0 IP, 5 J
Neal and Posey, batting second and fifth in the Cal League's starting lineup, each reached base in one of two plate appearances. Neal drew the Cal League's only walk. Kieschnick, the Giants' third representative in the game, replaced Neal in RF, but he struck out in both his plate appearances. The Astros' Gaston began the game with a hat trick but proved the hero with his game-ending HR to lead off the bottom of the 10th inning. The Nationals' Burgess was one of just two players in the game to reach base twice.
The Red Sox' Miller was the game's outstanding pitcher as he struck out five of the six batters he faced in the 4th and 5th innings. Posey was his first strikeout victim.
A-: Augusta had the second day of its three-day all-star break
(The South lost to the North 8-7, with each team scoring a run in the 9th inning.)
South: SS Tim Beckham: 3 for 5, 3B, 2 SO
South: PH-2B Juan Perez: 1 for 2, HR, SO
North: C Travis D'Arnaud: 1 for 1
North: SS Chase D'Arnaud: 1 for 1, HBP
South: BHP Pat Venditte: 0.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 2 K
Beckham, whom the Rays selected first overall a year ago, had three hits. The Giants' Perez provided a pinch-hit, two-run, one-out HR in the 6th inning before striking out in his final plate appearance. The D'Arnaud brothers, the Phillies' Travis and the Pirates' Chase, each singled in their only at bats.
The Yankees' Venditte put up some crazy good stats in the first half, including 39 K and 1 BB in 29.2 IP, but he allowed an unearned run in the bottom of the 9th inning to take the loss.
ssA: Salem-Keier defeated Boise 6-1
Salem-Keizer: 1B Luke Anders: 2 for 2, HR, 2B, SF, SB
Salem-Keizer: C Eliezer Zambrano: 2 for 3, SB, 2 E
Salem-Keizer: RHP Wilbur Bucardo: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 3 K--1 HB
Salem-Keizer: LHP David Quinowski: 3.0 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 3 K
Anders, the Giants' 32nd round selection earlier this month, had a big game, including his 1st pro HR and his 2nd double. He also stole home. Zambrano, who had a sub-.450 OPS as a backup catcher for the Volcanoes last year, also had two hits.
The older of the two Bucardo brothers, who struggled with a 4.57 ERA in the NWL a year ago, had a successful season debut with 1 ER in 5.0 IP. Quinowski made his second relief appearance after missing nearly two full years.
R: Giants lost to Cubs 7-3
Scottsdale: LF Jonathan White: 1 for 3, HR, BB, HBP
Scottsdale: DH Jesse Shriner: 3 for 4, HR, 2B
Scottsdale: RHP Cameron Lamb: 4.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K
Scottsdale: LHP Ryan Verdugo: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Shriner, whom the Giants signed as an undrafted free agent a year ago, but had just 16 AB a year ago, had three hits, including his first pro HR. White, the Giants' 40th round pick earlier this month, also had his first pro HR while reaching base three times.
Lamb, the 20-year-old Australian who missed all of last year with an injury, started the rookie Giants' second of the year. Verdugo has now relieved in both games, and he has 6 K in 3.0 IP.
DSL: Giants defeated Orioles/Brewers 15-1
Dominican: C Gabriel Cornier: 0 for 0, 3 BB, HBP
Dominican: RHP Armando Paniagua: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K--1 WP
Somewhat unbelievably, the Gigantes managed fifteen runs on just five hits. Cornier (17.0 y.o.) had his third straight game with three walks, boosting his OBP to .397 despite just s a .204 AVG. Making his fourth start of the season, Paniagua (19.5 y.o.) struck out half of the twenty batters he faced. He now has 21 K and 4 BB in 16.1 IP this year.
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maybe they were facing Jonathan Sanchez.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
McBryde is on the DL – added Ramon Castro to the roster.
by flyonthewall on Jun 24, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Connecticut Defenders
Noticed Pill also had a good night – went 2-5 with another double (21) and RBI (47). Now batting .303.
Alderson NOT ONLY MAJOR LEAGUE READY but he is ready to come up and replace Cain’s production in the rotation.
RIGHT NOW.
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jponry…………. you are so wrong. He’s no where near major league ready.
by thehondohurricane on Jun 24, 2009 4:22 AM PDT reply actions
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My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
Sarcasm, and reply, fail in one comment. Raising the bar, I like it.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
My boy hits dingerz! Let’s get the A-ball express train started up, we need a 2B in SF.
Also, it’s nice to see Quinowski pitching again.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I live in Salt Lake.....
…. and went to the Fresno game. Salt Lake hit into a franchise record 5 double plays. Burriss looks like he is on a completly different level with the glove than almost every other player on the field. He looked rock solid turning the pivot and had a couple of jaw dropping plays. One play in particular where dived to his right and threw to first from one knee was unreal! Also, I about lost it when he not only hit it out of the infield but out of the ballpark in the first inning. I really wish they had him playing short because Wald was very unimpressive. He did made up for one bad error with a homerun of his own his next time up to bat.
Holm looked real confident at the plate, and had a couple of real nice hits. Bowker is a hitting machine right now! He just looks locked in and I really can’t help but think he should be getting these hits up in the bigs instead of wasting them in AAA. Guzman was replaced in the second inning and I asked one of Fresnos coaches if he was hurt and he said he would be fine. Matos and Yabu pitched the 8th and 9th and only allowed one hit in the last couple of innings.
All together was a ton of fun watching these guys play. With all the players the Giants have called up in the last couple of years it really makes watching these guys play a lot more exciting. The Grizzlies had a pretty decent little cheering section of Giants fans right next to their on-deck circle and we had a bunch of interaction with the players. I have a couple pics (taken on my phone) but don’t know how to upload them. I’ll also be going to the games tonight and on Friday if anyone wants me to look for something in particular.
by OTTOMATIC on Jun 24, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Brock Bond
What’s the story with Bond?
Dude has shown at all levels that he knows how to get on-base. No power to speak of, but is he someone that can maybe be a bench factor down the line?
The Giants only want home-run hitters – Bond is awesome.
by flyonthewall on Jun 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait…. Burris hit a home run? Are we sure it wasn’t Manny Ramirez in disguise?
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by Little Napoleon on Jun 24, 2009 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
I don’t think Manny Ramirez could possibly make a minor league appearance without 695 ESPN cameras trained on him at all times. All that’s missing is Pedro Gomez pretending to really know the guy.
by W8ingForATitle on Jun 24, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny looks a bit thinner – wonder why?
by flyonthewall on Jun 24, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
OT: AN is having a hi-larious discussion on what the A’s would want from the Giants in a Matt Holiday trade: http://www.athleticsnation.com/2009/6/23/923228/what-is-a-fair-trade-holliday-to
I think any trade discussion at all this offseason for any player is that Posey, Mad Bum, Crawford, Neal and AnVil are not available.
Any discussion for a rental player, like Matt Holliday is that those guys + Tim Alderson are not available.
Now, obviously, if you want to get something, you have to give something up, so I wouldn’t be opposed to getting Holliday, but not for any of our top prospects.
In any event, I’d just as soon try to sign the guy in the offseason than to give up valuable prospects, especially to the A’s.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope*
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Wait, are you really ranking Crawford and Neal ahead of Alderson?
I’d happily trade good prospects for a rental player, but I’d want to see where the Giants stand a month from now before I do it.
I’m not really ranking them above Alderson, but I would not want the Giants to trade any future hitters because I think we’re gonna need them more than a pitcher, which is crazy, I know.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t want to trade either, and I set my parameters above as the guy we’re trading for isn’t a rental. I’m also assuming, though, that Alderson would bring more back in a trade.
But, I guess it depends on who we got. If we got a good SS or maybe even a 2b, I wouldn’t mind losing Crawford. But if we’re trading for a corner outfielder or infielder, then I’d feel better about letting Alderson go.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
and I also agree that now isn’t really the time to do this type of trade. there’s a lot of baseball yet to be played. Sabes said the other day that right now there are a lot of "contenders’ and so its a seller’s market, but at the deadline, there will be fewer customers as teams drop out of the races and that’s when you’ll see deals get done.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t think we’re as desperate for Holliday as they think. If I thought trading for Holliday, etc would guarantee us a playoff spot, I might be more willing to consider trading Alderson+ for them but as it is… eh.
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Seriously, what’s he going to be worth over the remainder of the year, 2-3 wins, at most? So, for our team, that’s an upgrade of around 1-2 wins. He just isn’t that valuable to our team.
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I think the allure of Holliday is that he is right-handed and would balance out our outfield a bit. If we are still in contention next month I would be happy with a Holliday trade if:
A – We could sign him to an extension first
B- We could structure the trade around Neal as the center piece + some B level prospects + salary relief (I don’t understand why the Oakland fans are saying they would eat salary)
C- We could flip one of our lefty outfielders (Lewis/Nate/Winn) + a reliever for another infield bat
With Timmy and Cain pitching the way they are we would be foolish not to make a run for this year if we are still in this position closer to ther trade deadline. I think AZ with Johnson/Schilling showed how far having two dominate pitchers at the top of your rotation can take you.
Boy I sure don’ want ot look back in a few years and think we gave Thomas Neal away for 3 months of a pretty mediocre hitting Matt Holliday. As for extensions, and especially for signing before finalizing a trade, that really goes against several core beliefs of Boras’ strategy for his clients.
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True…. but I would rather lose Neal than say Alderson and you would have to think we could draft a couple outfielders with the pics that we would get if we didn’t extend Holliday. Who knows we could offer him arb, he could decline, and then we could sign him as a free agent and still get those pics right? The more I think about it, IF (and thats a big IF) we are still fighting for the playoffs I would still do this deal even if we couldn’t extend him.
Actually if it came to that choice (and I’m just not enamored enough of Holliday to make either deal) I’d make a deal around Alderson before Neal, merely from a viewpoint of organizational strength. We’ve shown an ability to replace pitching better than hitting. Also, I’m still somewhat of a skeptic on whether Alderson’s stuff is going to play as well at the major league level.
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Teams need 5 pitchers. If you have 4 good pitchers and one bad one, then you still need another pitcher just as much as you need another position player.
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Actually team needs more than 5 pitchers. Probably more like 10 that it can really rely on. But it needs at position players too. If your pitching staff is made up of 8 or 9 good pitchers and 2 or 3 bad ones, but your starting lineup is made up of 1 or 2 good ones and 7 or 8 bad ones, then you need position players more than pitchers.
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Well, I meant starting pitchers. Replacing a bad starting pitcher with a good starting pitcher does just as much good as replacing a bad position player with a good position player.
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Does it?
Replacing a bad starting pitcher with a good starting pitcher only helps you 20% of the time — less actually as 5th starters rotation spots are sometimes skipped and they very infrequently pitch more than about 2/3 of a game.
Replacing a bad starting position player with a good one would benefit you 4 or 5 times every game.
Actually I thought you were the one who provided the math the other day on why you can add much more value offensively than in any other facet of the game. Replacing Burriss with just a league average 2B, according to Evan and Xanthan etc was worth I think 6 wins. Who would we have to replace Sanchez with to get an equal return of value?
Of course this is all a little off topic from my original statement — that IMO the Giants are much more successful at replacing pitchers than at replacing position players.
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If your point is that offense is more important than pitching that that’s something completely different. I’m just saying that pitching depth can be deceiving – just because you have 3 great pitchers doesn’t mean that a 4th one wouldn’t help.
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True enough. My main point is Giantz need dingerz!
And also, hiding in there is my belief that Neal may give us more value at the big league level than Alderson.
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Replacing a bad starting pitcher with a good starting pitcher only helps you 20% of the time
I get the jest of what you’re saying here but l think 20% is an extremely low under valuation. This is not the days when a starter goes 8-9 innings routinely. The added (or lessening) work load on the ‘Pen effects your teams chances in the following games as well. A healthy 5th starter is skipped maybe 5 times a year were bull pen load is there almost the entire season. (That is not to go into less G.S. for the your organization 6-8 starters, usually a thing to be avoided as well.) You almost always need 27 outs to end a game. The more of those outs you are getting in close games from your better ’Pen arms the better your chances.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jun 26, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeh they think it is still somewere between 2003 -2007 with Bonds fadeing into the sun set. If it gets them through this season i guess a person could do worse.
/ tries to re-banish thoughts of Joe Castle
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
Bowkermania continues
EME and Pill doing well for AA Connecticut. Crawford’s OPS at San Jose was 1045. Crawford’s OPS at Connecticut is 664. HUGE difference. Now maybe McCoven will have a little more understanding why I believe EME deserves a chance at AAA Fresno. Also would love to see Posey go to the hitting haven that is Dodd.
I really hate to ruin your feeling of going against the grain, but I’m pretty sure most of the McCoven think EME should get a shot in Fresno, he has nothing to prove in AA.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
Is Ben Copeland considered a prospect? It seems like he would be the one that would have to go to make a spot for EME. I mean EME has hit better than him at every level and I agree they should bring him up and see what he can do with the Grizz
Last year at CT their numbers were not that far apart…EME was .298 /.387 /.381 for a .768 OPS, Copeland was .261/.334 /.417 for .751. Copeland has more speed and can play CF. Superficially I don’t see much to say one is clearly a superior prospect to the other.
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I guess it comes down to whether EME or Ben Copeland is the better prospect at this point, since promoting EME would likely take playing time from Copeland (and Borchard, but clearly he’s not in the prospect category).
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which one to DFA? yes.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 24, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so much
Timpner’s pretty much a 4th OF at this point so that debate’s pretty much settled.
Huh…Timpner’s now listed on the AZL Giants roster. The Grizzlies roster shows Bowker, Borchard, Copeland, Horwitz and Velez as the outfielders – 24 players total. Maybe you’re getting your wish, wil – or maybe they’re clearing space for Posey?
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I’d guess they’re clearing space for Posey.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 24, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions

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