The Zito - Molina thing.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 AM PDT
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It has been observed casually that Zito may pitch better w/o Molina behind the dish. I decided to take a look at this and see if there was any merit.
I looked at the last 2.5 years of Zito's career (time/ Giants) and I compared component stats for Molina and Not Molina. I'm not really sure how to post a table unfortuntely... See if this works...
| PA | K | BB | HR | BB% | k% | k/bb | Hr% | hr/9 | FIP | |
| Total Bengie | 1457 | 219 | 169 | 39 | 11.6% | 15.0% | 1.30 | 0.03 | 1.04 | 4.78 |
| Total Not Bengie | 573 | 89 | 59 | 11 | 10.3% | 15.5% | 1.51 | 0.02 | .74 | 4.18 |
First: Some explaining. Because this data from BBR is by PA, or batters faced - not IP, I had to make an adjustment to get FIP and HR/9. To do so, I divded PA by 4.3 - which is approximately the league average # of batters faced per inning for qualified starters this year. While this probably shouldn't be used to compare these #'s to other IP based #'s, it's perfectly acceptable for comparing to each other - and I think fairly representative of the #'s in general.
What you see is that while the difference in BB% and K% between Bengie and Not Bengie is small, the difference in HR/9 is profound. This leads to a significant deviation in FIP.
Now, there certainly may be other factors at play - and it's entirely possible that this is all just an illusion - but its also possible that Bengie's pitch calling or some other element of his game is causing Zito to give up more home runs.
This has been observed by the casual fan and is somewhat supported by the statistical evidence. I think there is also a plausible cause for this in that Bengie does have control over pitch type and location.
Thoughts?
EDIT: New Table. Zito, Cain, LIncecum, Sanchez.
| Zito | ||||||||||
| PA | *IP | K | BB | HR | BB% | k% | k/bb | hr/9 | FIP | |
| Total Bengie | 1457 | 339 | 219 | 169 | 39 | 11.6% | 15.0% | 1.30 | 1.04 | 4.78 |
| Total Not Bengie | 573 | 133 | 89 | 59 | 11 | 10.3% | 15.5% | 1.51 | 0.74 | 4.18 |
| Lincecum | ||||||||||
| *IP | BB% | k% | k/bb | hr/9 | FIP | |||||
| Total Bengie | 1688 | 393 | 460 | 144 | 23 | 8.5% | 27.3% | 3.19 | 0.53 | 2.66 |
| Total Not Bengie | 256 | 60 | 67 | 31 | 3 | 12.1% | 26.2% | 2.16 | 0.45 | 3.12 |
| Cain | ||||||||||
| *IP | BB% | k% | k/bb | hr/9 | FIP | |||||
| Total Bengie | 1798 | 418 | 365 | 168 | 40 | 9.3% | 20.3% | 2.17 | 0.86 | 3.81 |
| Total Not Bengie | 1350 | 314 | 269 | 145 | 25 | 10.7% | 19.9% | 1.86 | 0.72 | 3.83 |
| Sanchez | ||||||||||
| *IP | BB% | k% | k/bb | hr/9 | FIP | |||||
| Total Bengie | 1096 | 255 | 250 | 125 | 27 | 11.4% | 22.8% | 2.00 | 0.95 | 3.98 |
| Total Not Bengie | 341 | 79 | 66 | 47 | 4 | 13.8% | 19.4% | 1.40 | 0.45 | 3.92 |
| Total | ||||||||||
| *IP | BB% | k% | k/bb | hr/9 | FIP | |||||
| Total Bengie | 6039 | 1404 | 1294 | 606 | 129 | 10.0% | 21.4% | 2.14 | 0.83 | 3.75 |
| Total Not Bengie | 2520 | 586 | 491 | 282 | 43 | 11.2% | 19.5% | 1.74 | 0.66 | 3.85 |
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For those who are into that kinda thing
BB/9 4.49 / 3.98
k/9 5.82 / 6.01
Bengie / Not Bengie.
Without Bengie, he basically walks fewer batters, strikes more batters out, and gives up fewer home runs.
Looking at it this way, I think that BB/9 delta is significant. The K/9 is probably not.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps the sample size would be insignificant, but what do the numbers look like when you separate the non-Molina catchers from each other? Does Sandoval have an edge over the rest (Holm, Whiteside, etc), for example?
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by rotorueter on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There really isnt enough of a sample to do this.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, then...
Bengie the catcher is giving up too many homeruns. Yes? So replacing Bengie with Sandoval (or whomever) next year should improve our Run Differential noticeably. Cool.
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by Lyle on Jun 23, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for doing this. With Molina likely to leave us at the end of the season, it will be doubly interesting to see what happens to Zito next year.
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by rotorueter on Jun 23, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Show this to Bochy and Righetti, stat.
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by Skaldheim on Jun 23, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But don’t show them to Sabean; he’ll want to sign Not Bengie to a high-dollar multi-year deal.
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by Lyle on Jun 23, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Pablo Sanchez, too. Did you hear that he’s hitting over .400 in June?
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by Skaldheim on Jun 23, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My vote goes for illusion.
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by JakeS on Jun 23, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as it works a little bit, I dont care how, just leave it be.
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by CB30 on Jun 23, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The evidence may be more anecdotal than statistical, but Zito seems to perform much better when he’s working quickly.
Is Molina unable to get things moving faster when he’s behind the plate? I noticed Sanchez stepped off the rubber several times last night when he and Molina disagreed on what pitch to throw.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can Molina do anything quickly? I mean, you know, physically?
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by JakeS on Jun 23, 2009 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he can eat quickly. And he can probably shotgun the hell out of a beer.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Bengie as the anchor for my boat races.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While both the Bengie and NotBengie PA #s are well above Small Sample Size, the fact remains that Zito has had Bengie as his catcher for 2.5x more plate appearances than the other catchers combined. So it’s possible that over time, once Molina is no longer on the team and the NotBengie PA numbers catch up, the other stats might have less divergence. Does that make any sense?
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by Kitspool on Jun 23, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, anything is possible
But there is definately a trend here and it’s almost certainly due to something.
It may not have anything to do w/ the catcher and may be entirely coincidental, but I don’t think it’s noise.
IE, something is causing Zito to pitch better in his starts w/ Not Molina. It may be the quality of opponent, time of year, etc – or it may be the fact that it’s not Molina. We can’t tell from this.
But I think the sample size is large enough here to show that the performance in the two samples is different.
One factor may be that, since Zito has performed better in the 2nd half the last 2 seasons – and it is likely that backup catchers would get more starts in the 2nd half as bengie tires – that this is just indirect evidence of something else.
But I’m pretty sure it’s evidence of something.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
There are several plausible explanations for the mechanism that the catcher could influence the component stats of a pitcher.
Combine that w/ casual observation that there is something going on here AND the above statistical suggestion and you start having enough circumstantial evidence to make you think.
Certainly, significant baseball decisions have been made w/ less convincing arguments (like batting Rowand leadoff, for example).
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito can suck on more than one occasion
Scientific fact.
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 23, 2009 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Only 90 or so games to go and then he’s gone. yay!
by positiveuphemism on Jun 23, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What if he accepts arbitration
That would suck
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by CB30 on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I really want to do
Is look at Molina/Not Molina for all of our pitchers, and see if the same trends exist.
However, I don’t really have a good tool to do this.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
it will make us like him even less. Do we really need the consternation? Let’s just be happy that he will be gone soon.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really have a good tool
Hero Tabs/Boston Medical Group/Etc…
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by WTF on Jun 23, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
da dum
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers look very similar too me. The only noticeable difference is in the HR rate, which is always fluky, and has more to do with the hitter than the pitcher anyway.
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by Cookyman on Jun 23, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s my issues with it, too. The core numbers (BB rate, K rate) are identical. The HR rate is still pretty close. I just can’t buy that it has something to do with game calling.
by xanthan on Jun 23, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, a HR/9 rate of 1.04 while Molina is catching is much more consistent with Zito’s career HR/9 of 0.94.
by xanthan on Jun 23, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to look @ Zito
Monlina/Not Molina for his whole career but BBR is crashing on me.
That’s a pretty valid point you raise, but some of that is self reinforcing as a significant # of his IP now have come w/ Molina behind the dish.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think it’s pretty obvious the not-Molina numbers would come out very well in that case, seeing as Zito was actually pretty good for most of the time that Molina wasn’t catching him.
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by jponry on Jun 23, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or are you just looking at HR-rate?
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by jponry on Jun 23, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Xanthan argued
That Zito’s Molina HR rate was very close to his career HR rate.
I would agree that, overall, Zito’s performance would be better non-Molina as he was a better pitcher before he came to the Giants – hence why I only used his Giants years in the first place.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, Edited to add the 4 primary Giant's starters
What is interesting here is that every single one shows a lower HR rate w/ Not Bengie than Bengie.
However, other than Zito, the resulting FIP is either the same or (in the case of Lincecum) a lot worse.
Like I said, I’m not claiming that any of this is conclusive – just throwing some #’s out there any seeing if anything sticks.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so what you are saying
is that if you take 1/4 (roughly) of Zito’s PABF. his FIP drops from 4.78 to 4.18.
t-test or shut it.
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by zenbitz on Jun 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that like PABST?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In seriousness
I’m not sure what I would even T-test – game logs ?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess component stats from each game
Would be the way to go, but shit that’s a lot of work. Let me see what I can generate.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I have no good way to do this because I don’t have a good way to split gamelogs up into molina/not molina.
Regardless however, I’m not really sure what the point of a Ttest would even be? The means are clearly different as they are both two subsets of one larger set, and they are demonstrably different above.
Am I misunderstanding you ?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Regardless however, I’m not really sure what the point of a Ttest would even be?”
Before we come to any conclusions on Bengie and not Bengie stats, we need to know if there’s actually a difference between the two groups of stats. Simply looking at it and deciding we think the sample size is probably big enough doesn’t give us any indication that those differences aren’t just a product of random chance. That’s why we’d want to do a statistical test.
by Missing Barry on Jun 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I understand that.
I guess if I could somehow get a game log of HR rates of notmolina I could test that against the larger sample, and see what that says.
Right ?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you just want to test the HR rate . . .
I think you could just use a 2×2 table: Chi square or Fisher’s Exact test. Treat HR as one column, PA as another and Bengie -Not Bengie as the rows.
Eyeballing it, I don’t think it would pop a significance test.
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by oldjacket on Jun 23, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no not that complex
you need the SD of FIP as a function of IP. Then you can calcu;ate the probability that this 1/4 sample size slice with a difference of 0.60 FIP is a significant difference.
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by zenbitz on Jun 23, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my original thought
was just to post “SSS”
But technically, I am not SURE that that sample size is small…. but I suspect that the difference in FIP (0.6), is significant given the sample. If the “true talent” of Zito is 4.61 (the weighted avg of the two samples), then you would expect some random difference if you split the sample into random 3/4 1/4 based on day night or day of the week or color of breakfast.
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by zenbitz on Jun 23, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I understand that
let me get back to my desk and I will see what I can do
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You HAVE to include the breakfast, though.
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by Lyle on Jun 23, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, now that I look at it
I’m struggling to make this work right.
FIP varies SO wildly start to start, it’s SD is inherently enormous.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
like, 1.92 enormous.
It seems that, to really do this properly – one would have to group starts into similarly sized groups.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a reason why no one
has ever shown an effect of catcher on pitchers performance “cERA” even though ERA is passe’ these days.
It’s also why SDCNs tend to disregard game calling as a catcher skill (not that it’s not a skill… just that there doesn’t appear to be any difference between major league catchers in the application of it… I guess like the ability to sit in a crouch and catch 90 mph fastballs for 3 hours)
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by zenbitz on Jun 24, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the problem w/ that line of reasoning
Is that any of the component stats varies wildly across x arbitrarily small samples. By the above logic, one could never conclude that ANY change in a sub sample was due to anything other than random fluctuation.
Any kind of split would be entirely worthless.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
most splits ARE worthless
but take the above, if Zito’s FIP sans Bengie was 1.18 , then perhaps there would be a signal there.
Similarly, if there were 20,000 PAs with a diff of 0.6 FIP, then perhaps there would be a signal there.
In fact, it’s well known that individual batters platoon splits (for RHH) are essentially null and void, and you are always better off using the aggregate RHH platoon split.
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by zenbitz on Jun 24, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Serious question
Based on SD, how can I calculate how many samples I need to have a sufficient large sample size?
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, FWIW
I didn’t to SD w/ respect to IP. I did it w/ respect to game. The SD would likely be even more ridiculous w/ respect to IP, and I’m not even really sure how to do that.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well all that means is that you cannot predict the FIP of a given inning
which is obviously true.
But that’s baseball… but you can’t use the SD for games if you have a split by innings.
I suppose you could divide the first column by 6 or 9 or something… but you have to be careful.
If you sample of FIP/games is 4.3, 2.2, 6.8, 12.2, 3.2, 4.4 and the 12.2 was in one inning of getting shelled, it’s not weighted properly.
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by zenbitz on Jun 24, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, plug it into the equation and work backwards.
T = (xbar – U) / (SD/root(n))
You have Xbar, U is 0, you have the SD, and look at a T table to figure out what significance level you’re going for, plug that T statistic in, and figure out N.
by Missing Barry on Jun 24, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
I have no idea WTF is going on with all the acronyms being thrown about in this thread, but the stat-nerd heavyweights (and computers) are all here, so it must be good.
Since we’re on the subject of Molina, a couple of thoughts upon entering this thread:
1. Fat
OK, so that was just one thought. Nevertheless, I get the sense that Light Sabers will soon be drawn. I’m so happy.
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by bkrhater on Jun 23, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this my friend is for real
not sure why though. Have we looked at the variation in pitch selection of Bengie vs non-Bengie? Perhaps he throws more fastballs with Bengie and more curves with non-Bengie. Another theory is that despite all of Bengie’s good qualities as a catcher, good arm, good plate blocking, he seems to be at best an average framer of pitches. A pitch on the outside corner he is often moving his glove out, giving the illusion that the ball is further off the plate, while some other framers might be moving the glove from outiside the K zone toward the strike zone making the pitch look much more like a strike. Thus Bengie would theoretically narrow the Zone, and if Zito does hit the target the pitch may have to be just a tad too fat while Bengie is catching. I’m sure there are many other possibilities. But the effect is large enough that when I see another catcher behind the plate when Zito is pitching I have hope. When Bengie is catching Zito, I am wondering how many runs some lousy team is going to score off of Zito in the first inning, before he gets anybody out.
by bradleybear on Jun 23, 2009 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Im pretty sure that you agreeing with me lowers my own confidence level…
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by Lyle on Jun 23, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To so what are you saying:
I think statistical tests will show this to be highly significant. With a P value of one quarter the number of walks Bengie has so far.
by bradleybear on Jun 23, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HR% - HR/9 amd 2009
If the average inning sees 4.3 PA, but the average inning with a home run must see at least 4 PA, there will be some problems with comparing these HR/9 with career numbers (as FwF notes in the OP.)
I think HR% is just the better way to go, and the difference between .002 and .003 doesn’t seem like a big deal to me.
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by kennv on Jun 23, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Point Kennv!
I had entirely forgotten my own note. Take that, Xanthan!
Certainly comparing the HR/9 from this analysis from typical HR/9 is subject to some (potentially significant) error.
Better would be to calculate HR/9* for Zito’s career using 4.3 Batters per Inning.
ha! It’s actually really close. .95 instead of .94.
TBF/4.3 = 1868. Actual IP = 1890. Really fuckin close. Numbers might correlate better than originally thought.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd also be interested to see a GB/LD/FB breakdown.
Not that I expect it or anything, as I doubt that split’s easily available, but I find it interesting that the HR/9 drops for all pitchers when Molina isn’t catching. Could it by that he’s reluctant to call low pitches in general? Anecdotally, I’ve seen/heard that his weight is a growing issue vis-a-vis ball blocking, and the other pitchers analysed all have excellent fastballs which (according to popular wisdom) allow them to pitch effectively up in the zone.
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You wanna xFIP that FIP for us?
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by baetown415 on Jun 23, 2009 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not really
by FairweatherFan on Jun 24, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking
That it would help eliminate some more “noise” (i.e. HR park factors)
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Yeah :)
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my “aTuOs” score (ability to understand obscure stats) is a -1.3 over the year so far
but i’m using a calculator more and buying a copy of moneyball later so that score should adjust to the mean very soon
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