Sanchez is out of options?

Recently both Andrew Baggarly and Hank Schulman wrote Giants pitcher Jonathan Sanchez was out of options.

I remember the Giants optioning Sanchez to Fresno in 2006 and again in 2007 however do not remember the third time the Giants optioned Sanchez.

How does the option process work?
How many times can an organization option a player?
When was Sanchez optioned that many times?

Please help a brother learn about the game.

5 months ago wilriv21 21 comments 0 recs |

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Courtesy of Wikipedia:

Options

If a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the active major league roster, he is said to be on optional assignment—his organization may freely move him between the major league club and the minor league club. If a player is on the 40-man roster and not the active 25 man roster for any part of more than three seasons (in which he spent 20 or more total days of service in the minors), he is out of options and may not be assigned to the minors without first clearing waivers. However, if a player has less than 5 years of professional experience, he may be optioned to the minors in a fourth season without being subject to waivers. If a major league player is ineligible for free agency and “has options” remaining, his team may option him to a minor league team without consequence. This is usually what is meant when players are “sent down” to the minors. Likewise, when a player on the 40-man roster is added to the active major league roster, he is “called up” to the majors.

I’m assuming the italicized part is why Sanchez is out of options. I’m not sure how accurate this is seeing as it is Wikipedia, but I’m sure it’s pretty close.

by deuce deuce on Jun 19, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you, Wil

His contract was purchased in 2006, which would make 2006 and 2007 his only option years as far as I understand. Although when it comes to options, I don’t understand too far.

by pantalones on Jun 19, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Schulman has changed his tune

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/19/SP2718AIGB.DTL

Sanchez has a minor-league option, but the Giants have no immediate plan to demote him.

by cakes on Jun 19, 2009 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

bow before the McCoven

biotch

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...

by natteringnabob on Jun 20, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

as does Baggs

by wilriv21 on Jun 20, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like "the plan" is for him to make his next start

Bochy said Friday he had nothing “definitive” to offer in the way of answers, only saying “the plan” is for Sanchez to make his next scheduled start Monday against the Oakland Athletics. With just one off-day remaining until the July 13-15 All-Star break, the Giants will most definitely require the services of a fifth starter and more victories from Cain.

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090620&content_id=5429864&vkey=news_sf&fext=.jsp&c_id=sf

by superk1ng on Jun 20, 2009 6:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

however you just had an off day Thursday, so it would be easy for them to skip Monday’s start. It’s time to be proactive here, and stop wasting games with an ineffective starter. It’s pretty obvious that the Giants’ only path to the playoffs would be as a wild card, and when you’re competing for one spot with about ten different teams, you can’t afford to just give games away. The time to make a move is now, not after he loses three more games.

Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!

by rxmeister on Jun 20, 2009 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

/ stamped agreed

Crap or get off the pot time on this. Scicne we are talking about Giatns Brass they will do niether tell 5 weeks from now.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 20, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

At which time they will trade 15 minor league prospects for a middle aged bat.

by Merope on Jun 20, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

our pitching staff has allowed fewest runs in NL. Sanches is NOT THE PROBLEM.

He has nothing to do with our anemic offense, and he doesn’t even pitch every 5th day (because he’s our 5th starter, he gets skipped every so often). He’s our fifth starter. Pretty much by definition, no team’s fifth starter can be The Problem.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 20, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and, of course, by Sanches, I mean Sanchez. Me lo siento.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 20, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

elitist

by Merope on Jun 20, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What you are saying is true as far as it goes.

I am finding myself in the camp that considers Sanchez having talent, that could still be developed, but developing mental issues. Whether it is confidence or true brain circuitry issues (call Tomko-itiss if you will) I am undecided on. What I do believe is if left alone long enough one will lead to the other.

Of course if one already thinks farther development of Sanchez is a lost cause (a valid position though I don’t agree with it) then this discussion is mute.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 20, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

...yet what are you saying is also false

especially when you say that “he gets skipped every so often.” He has one less start than Matt Cain and Barry Zito and two less starts than Lincecum and Unit. That means he’s been skipped ONCE all season.

Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!

by rxmeister on Jun 20, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're right, but that was a throwaway point; my point is he is #5, and comparable to other #5's.

My point is that he is not The Problem. Our Runs Allowed is the best in the league. We aren’t scoring runs, and the #5 pitcher has fluck-all to do with that.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 20, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just an observation... Sanchez is our FIFTH STARTER

No, I’m not thrilled with some of his performances this year, but is there another 5th starter out there who is doing substantially better?

I don’t think he’s a finished product yet— in either sense of the word “finished.”

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 20, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I assume the Giants feel that the opportune time to start Sanchez is against one of the poorer offenses in the league. It’s probably best that he try and gain some confidence against the A’s before he starts at Milwaukee or at St. Louis.

by deuce deuce on Jun 20, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

saying there are other fifth starters as bad as Sanchez is not an endorsement. Let’s not forget that we have an offense that blows. Because of this, it’s not enough that we have an average fifth starter. If our fifth starter gives up four, five and six runs a game like other fifth starters, than unlike other fifth starters, he is ALWAYS going to lose. This team needs a rotation where we have no worse than a number three starter in the fifth slot. Sanchez may cut it as a fifth starter on the New York Yankees, but not on the 2009 SF Giants. It’s time to try someone else.

Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!

by rxmeister on Jun 20, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that theory holds up: equations have two sides.

There are 2 sides to your equation: pitching that must be uniformly excellent to make up for a lousy offense, and the lousy offense that is tolerable if we have uniformly excellent pitching. Why must we necessarily accept only one side of the equation you have set up, but alter the other side? That is, why must we simply accept horrible offense and then agree that the pitching must be uniformly excellent? Why can’t we just as easily say that the pitching is among the best in the game, and our offense is putrid, so if we had a league-average 2b NOW (not waiting until August), we could pick up as many as +2 wins? Why can’t we say that we should throw massive resources (coaching and video staff) to work with the younger type hitters-cum-hackers and reprogram their approach? (I.e., Renteria and Molina are lost causes who will do what they do; the guys in their first couple seasons in the majors might still be redeemed… if we sack Carney and give each guy his own personal tutor and video tech.)

I totally agree that Sanchez isn’t where any of us want him to be; he has “stuff” and tools, and we all think they might still coalesce into something really good (or many of us do; I shouldn’t speak for everyone). They, of course, might coalesce into not much. I think it is too early to say. I also think that it isn’t Sanchez that’s going to keep us out of the playoffs; it’s the so-called offense. And that is where we could make some changes that would help in 5 out of 5 games, not just the 1 in 5 that Sanchez starts.

Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.

by Mayor of 311 on Jun 20, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with most of what you’re saying but the problem that surfaces isn’t exclusive to Sanchez starts. Failure to pitch deep into ballgames taxes the bullpen. He’s only made it through 6IP twice this year…

That said, I’ll live with him as our 5th starter. It’s a very real possibility he only has 3 more months to increase his trade value (considering how fast Tim2/MadBum are progressing).

by SeeingStars on Jun 20, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just for giggles ..

It might be worth spending a bit of time comparing Schmidt’s career up to his age 26 season to Sanchez numbers. Schmidt was a well regarded Braves farm hand before he was traded to the Pirates and things really did not start coming together for him tell his age 28 season (the year the Giants traded for him).

Sanchez has the higher K/9 and (surprise, surprise) higher BB/9 along with a bit higher WHIP. But what really stood out to me is the IP. Going into age 26 year Schmidt (522 in the MLB, 549 in the minors) while Sanchez ,including age 26 year, has 311 IP in the MLB and 252 IP in the minors. It is not like I expect Sanchez to be the "horse" Schmidt was but it took another 250-300 IP tell Schmidt "got it together". Between this and having half the professional IP that Schmidt had at a similar age I just don’t see Sanchez pitching enough getting it together any time soon. Prove me wrong Dirty. Please prove me wrong.

Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?

by daveinexile on Jun 21, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs