minor lines, 6/18/09
Highlights from the Giants' farm: (a) Kevin Frandsen had two XBH; (b) Charlie Culberson reached base four times; (c) Andy D'Alessio had two XBH among his four hits; and (d) Brooks McNiven had five scoreless innings in his start.
AAA: Fresno lost to Colorado Springs 3-2
Fresno: SS Kevin Frandsen: 2 for 4, HR, 3B
Fresno: 1B Jesus Guzman: 0 for 4, 3 SO
Colorado Springs: Dan Ortmeier: 2 for 3, 2 2B, BB, SO
Fresno: RHP Matt Kinney: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 5 K--1 HB
Fresno: LHP Alex Hinshaw: 2.0 IP, 1 BB, 3 K
Colorado Springs; RHP Adam Eaton: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HR
Frandsen's 7th HR and 2nd triple were two of the Grizzlies' three hits and accounted for half their baserunners. Guzman had the oh-fer with the hat trick, raising his SO/AB ratio to 18.7%. Ortmeier, the ex-Giant now in the Rockies organization, had two doubles, which accounted for half of the Sky Sox' four hits.
Kinney had a quality start but took the look. His ERA remains just above 6.00, and he might seem in danger of losing his job if the Giants had any starting pitching prospects in double-A who looked ready for a promotion. Hinshaw threw 19 of 28 pitches for strikes. He now has 15 H, 23 BB, and 28 K in 22.0 IP with Fresno. Adam Eaton, who signed a minor league deal with the Rockies after the Phillies released him, now has a 1.50 ERA in two starts with his new organization.
AA: Connecticut lost to Trenton 2-0
Connecticut: 3B Brad Boyer: 1 for 4, 2B, SO
Connecticut: RHP Brooks McNiven: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
Connecticut: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 1.0 IP, 1 H
Connecticut: LHP Ben Snyder: 0.1 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 1 ER--1 HB
No one reached base twice for the Defenders. Boyer's 9th double was their only XBH.
Pitching on six days rest, McNiven made his ninth start of the year. As a starter, he has a 3.79 ERA. After a 10/2 GO/FO line, his GO/AO ratio for the season is 2.65. Joaquin pitched a scoreless 6th inning. He has allowed five hits in his last four appearances, but his BAA remains below .200. Snyder retired just one of the four batters he faced to begin the 7th inning and take the loss.
A+: San Jose lost to Stockton 4-1
San Jose: CF Tyler Graham: 1 for 3, BB, SB
San Jose: LF Thomas Neal: 1 for 3, 2B, HBP, SO
San Jose: DH Buster Posey: 0 for 3, BB, SO
San Jose: RF Roger Kieschnick: 1 for 4, HR
San Jose: 1B Angel Villalona: 0 for 4, 2 SO
San Jose: 3B Conor Gillaspie: 2 for 4, E
San Jose: LHP Clayton Tanner: 5.2 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HR
Stockton: RHP Craig Italiano: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 HR, 1 HB
Gillsapie was the lone Giants with a multi-hit line, improving his AVG to .278. Also reaching base twice were Graham and Neal. Neal smashed a line drive off the left field fence hard enough that it probably should have been just a single given how quickly the ball bounced back to the left fielder, but Neal made into second base for the double when the throw to second base was off target. After striking out in his final plate appearance, he shared his displeasure about the umpire's call all the way back to the dugout. Graham had his 13th SB, and perhaps he should have been credited with another steal for being able to go from first to third on a groundout in the 1st inning. Kieschnick hit the ball better than his line might indicate. His HR was to the right side of center field. He also had two line drives to right field that were caught. Posey had his hit streak snapped. Villalona broke at least three bats during his oh-fer.
Tanner was not as masterful as his previous start when he had a career-high 13 K. His string of four straight quality starts, all with 2 ER or less, was snapped. The A's' Italiano has struggled this year, but tonight he had his best start in nearly a month and a half. Over his previous seven starts, he had allowed 4+ ER in each start. His season ERA remains above 6.50.
A-: Augusta defeated Rome 5-4
(scoring a run in the bottom of the 9th inning)
Augusta: 3B Charlie Culberson: 3 for 4, 2B, HBP, SB, E
Augusta: DH Andy D'Alessio: 4 for 5, HR, 2B, SO
Augusta: RHP Eric Stolp: 4.2 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 4 K--1 HB
Augusta: RHP Edwin Quirarte: 1.0 IP, 2 H
Batting leadoff the past two games seems to have awakened Culberson's bat. He had another multi-hit line that included an XBH. He also committed his 23rd error. D'Alessio had his best game of the season, including his 2nd HR and 7th double since being demoted to the Sally League.
Stolp's second start was not as effective overall as his first start. He did have 4 K this time, but he also had just six ground ball outs after getting fifteen ground ball outs in his previous start. Quirarte pitched a scoreless 9th inning in his second Sally League appearance.
DSL: Giants lost to Marlins 7-3
Dominican: 2B Cesar Osuna: 2 for 5, SO
Dominican: LHP Ebert Fernandez: 5.0+ IP, 9 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 0 BB, 1 K
Osuna (19,4 y.o.) had two of the Gigantes' three hits, raising his own AVG to .305 through 59 AB. He hit .244 in 213 AB a year ago. Fernandez (18.8 y.o.) allowed a season-high 9 H and a season-high 5 ER in his fourth start of the year, raising his ERA close to 6.00.
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He does seem very streaky.
What sites have monthly splits for previous years?
Prospective parent of new pick, Zack Wheeler. Projectable Righty stolen from the braves. Of course, I stalk my son's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zackwheelerbaseball
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Does anyone else find it odd...
..that San Jose has Conor Gillaspie batting 7th, while Brian Bocock bats 2nd? A quick check of today’s OBP stats:
Posey .430
Neal .428
Lormand .403 (55 AB)
Lowenstein .375 (14 AB)
Gillaspie .370
Graham .365
……
Bocock .263
Lormand looks promising, but of course it’s way too early to tell. Ignoring him and Lowenstein, I’d say the logical guys to have at the top of the order are Graham and Gillaspie, followed by Posey and Neal.
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i said this a while ago
the SJ manager makes the worst line ups ever. He was even worse earlier in the year when he had Darren Ford leading off, and Thomas Neal batting 8th or 9th.
that would be Andy Skeels, SJ Manager.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
And I thought Andy did a good job in this respect last year in Augusta. Weird. I suspect interference from above.
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I get the impression that he’s going with the old philosophy that hitter in the 2nd spot should be able to bunt and make contact for hits and run. Why they would need to be bunting in the first inning doesn’t make sense, but in baseball these things are very difficult to kill off.
Of course, I just prefer guys who get on base.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
- hitter = middle infielder. There are no other options.
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FUCK
2nd hitter = middle infielder.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
You said #2 hitter, right?
Because…San Jose’s shortstop is pooesque.
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Your impression is correct. I would say that was accept baseball “wisdom” tell the late 90’s. The theory being score first, even if it is not a large score and you put the other team at a large disadvantage because you can better afford to be trading outs for the other teams 90 feet. Of course there are ways for that strategy to back fire ( gas can bull pen, other team has power, your defense is like a leaky sieve etc) but at least your better positioned to play the game that way if you have no other viable choices.
But that is just me talking. And I myself would rather they go OBP in the #2 spot as well.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jun 19, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT BOCOCK IS TINY AND SCRAPPY LIKE DAVID ECKSTEIN
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the :-( made me think Cookyman posted that.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
:-(
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Best Fresno starters
The guys who have been the best starters in Fresno have been the homegrown guys – Pucetas and Sadowski. I hate to see Kinney, Hammond, and Ortiz take starts away from guys like Garrett Broshius and Brooks McNiven who deserve a chance in Fresno.
There just isn’t much SP in Fresno. Sadowski really isn’t that great, either. Pucetas is probably the best guy there and he’s still pretty marginal.
Ramon Ortiz is having a good year. I’m glad they’ve moved him into the rotation — better to call up him than Pucetas in case of emergency.
Hammond and Kinney seem useless, though.
Just wondering why you’d rather see Ramon Ortiz than Kevin Pucetas called up…?
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SK roster posted - sort of
The Statesman Journal has a photo montage of the roster online:
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/section/VOLCANOES
- Evan McArthur will make his debut over 2 years after he was drafted
- Top Hitting Prospects are Francisco Peguero and Ryan Mantle
- Top Pitching Prospects are Jose Casilla and the Bucardo brothers
- CJ Ziegler probably bats cleanup
- 11 players from 2009 draft with highest draft choice on this team being 10th rounder Jeremy Toole.
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My boy! Whip up on them college boy, Jorge.
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23 errors? Holy hell
between this guy, Noonan, Williams, and Fairley I’m surprised some on here have been saying Sabean is doing a good job in the draft. Weren’t these all high draft picks?
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I would seem that Bumgarner was a great pick, Alderson a decent pick, and the rest stink.
Irwin has very high standards.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say Noonan and Fairley were okay picks too, though they’re probably not going to work out. But Culberson and Williams seemed like serious overdrafts even at the time.
no question, and when a team has 3 1st rounders and 3 supplemental 1st rounders (and then not having another pick until the 5th) it’s hard to blame them for making a couple signability picks.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t they pay Culberson and Williams about what players drafted in those positions would be expected to get?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I remember they paid Williams slot.
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nostocks...
…that’s precisely where we disagree. That was a golden opportunity for the Giants; if they truly choose 2 guys just to save money, as many of us suspect, then that is gross incompetence. The draft is the main way you get to restock your supply of players. The team knew for several months which draft picks they were assigned. If they didn’t budget properly to take advantage of their potential windfall of talent… that’s just incompetence.
Put it another way: what if you were in the market for, oh, I don’t know… maybe furniture let’s say. And then a friend tells you that he’s planning an out-of-town trip to this furniture store that has really terrific deals on high quality furniture. So you two make plans to go, and you make the trip, but you don’t take your credit card, you don’t take any checks, and you only bring along $200 to spend. Where’s the foresight in that? You have a golden opportunity to get lots of great furniture at great prices, and you didn’t take advantage of that opportunity. And we’re assuming you need and want furniture. You just screwed the pooch.
Drafting is how you build your team. If you suddenly get the opportunity to cut in line and take six of the top players, shouldn’t you grab that chance and run with it?
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I wish signability and cost savings were never an issue in the draft. I wish the Giants drafted the best players available and didn’t consider a cheaper player, particularly when they have 6 picks in the first round and supplemental first round. But that’s now how teams think, unfortunately. They drafted 2 potentially good/great players and 2 question marks and 2 duds (as of this point). that’s not a great ratio, but I take what I can get. The draft is a big crapshoot in many ways and pulling out Mad Bum and T2 makes it successful, to me. I also think Noonan and Jacks Williams have a chance to be major leaguers, if not regulars, so all in all, at this point, I won’t complain too much.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish
some of the money spent on played-out 30+ mediocrities would be spent instead on kids.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 19, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
totally
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 20, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Fairley looks like a bust at this point..
Williams was an awful choice.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
what is really awesome about the Alderson pick is that it was a comp pick from the Dodgers signing Jason Schmidt!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
basically with the rest of the 1st round and supp picks, yeah. But there are some interesting players from the 2007 draft, like:
Dan Runzler (10)
Craig Clark (14)
Daniel Otero (21)
Oliver Odle (22)
Brock Bond (24)
Steven Edlefsen (41)
just to name a couple I like.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh very true. But I hope you aren’t saying that because the organization did relatively well in the later rounds that that excuses them for pissing away at least 2 of the top picks.
And again, I’m not complaining about results. See jponry above; choosing Fairley was defensible, even though he hasn’t shown us much yet. It’s the picks that we all knew were bad – selecting guys nobody ever heard of. It could have been – should have been – an incredible draft. It now looks only very good. Very good is much better than most of Sabean’s drafts, and so we’re justifiably grateful for that. But it missed the mark.
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No. I was just clarifying what Irwin wrote about “the rest stink.” I’m sure he didn’t mean the rest of the draft was horrible, just the rest of the first/supp round. There can often be gems that come out of later rounds.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Turpen and Paterson.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 19, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
When you get two prospects out of a draft like Alderson and Bumgarner, you can’t really complain.
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by say hey nation on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d totally be on the OMFG PORC GNATS BRASZZZ bandwagon if he had slipped past Fairley, but only then.
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95% of draft picks fail
I made up that stat but I wouldn’t be surprised to see if it was around that
fail to make it to the majors maybe or be regular major leaguers.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t something like 50% of first rounders not even make it to the majors in an average year? 95% doesn’t seem unrealistic for the whole thing.
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I think it’s 60% of first rounders, but I can’t remember where I saw that recently.
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Now that you mention it, I think I saw that number recently, too. I think it might’ve been on Fangraphs.
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this seems like a OGC topic. But I am to lazy to look right now
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 19, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
He’ll be along presently. He has a bat-signal that goes off whenever anyone suggests that late first round picks are valuable.
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by say hey nation on Jun 19, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
okay, but these are guys that are struggling in low A
and a few that were serious overdrafts at the time. Also, it is nice that we got Bumgarner and Alderson, but Bumgarner, Posey, and Lincecum were all fairly high first round picks. Your hit rate on those picks should be much higher.
Fairley and Noonan definitely weren’t overdrafts. You can hate on Williams and Culberson all you want though, those guys suck and they sucked when we drafted them.
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I was upset about the Jackson pick at the time, and he does stink with the bat, though he seems to be quite good defensively and could make a career of being a solid defensive backup catcher.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
can the guy even hit 225 in AA?
I find it hard to believe he could make it as a backup catcher in mlb with those stats.
this guy couldn’t hit much in the minors (or majors) either.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
probably, but guys like that don’t make it for their offense.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
well, he's also blocked by other guys that can play the position
Sandoval, Posey, and maybe someone else that we just drafted (if they can hit). The odds would appear to be long but I would be thrilled to be wrong. If we can get to the point where we can accept a below average offensive player at any position then we should be strong across the board at all others and that would be nice.
Tommy Joseph
He probably won’t actually be a catcher.
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right, it all depends on the makeup of the team. in the late 80s and early 90s when Manwaring played, the team had a lot of offense at other positions and could enjoy a solid defense first catcher that batted 8th.
Currently, the team needs production from the catcher spot (and maybe the game has changed, too) and is set up for that kind of future with Posey, but that’s why I basically see Williams as a potentially solid defense first backup catcher. If he can do that he’ll have a long career, and I’d be pretty happy with the pick considering all of the factors of that particular draft.
I recall that I wanted Michael Burgess with that particular pick, though he hasn’t been that great for the Nats. Looking back, we could have taken Josh Donaldson or Austin Jackson or Jordan Zimmerman or Mike Stanton, but that’s the usual hindsight stuff.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
This guy went on to have a decent value( usefulness) on the MLB level. ( Minors , Majors).
This guy came to mind as well. ( Minors, Majors).
Neither were much of threat to scuff up a bat unless they were cleaning their cleats with it.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jun 19, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess it’s still early, but it’s not like there are tons of guys that we obviously should have taken instead of those second two. At the time, I wanted Todd Frazier over Noonan or Fairley (not to brag, I am usually wrong about this stuff).
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
in fairness, I did only say that a few were serious overdrafts
and those were the guys I was referring to.
Hey, I hope all of those guys make it, I was just saying that I am surprised that everyone seems to be fairly happy with Sabean given some of these issues.
a lot of teams are gonna have hits and misses with their drafts. That just seems logical. i don’t see that Sabean has been much worse than other GMs/Orgs. Also, (another guess) my instinct says that guys drafted in the 20s in most drafts have less of a chance of becoming solid MLBers than guys drafted in the top 10. We had a lot of picks in the 20s during Sabean’s tenure because the team was usually successful.
but I don’t think there’s much complaining about his top 10 picks of late, which all seem to be fairly solid. Its some of the lower 1st round and supp picks that have caused consternation.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Perspective
Here’s everyone the Giants drafted in the first round from 1989-1998:
1989: Steve Hosey
1990: Adam Hyzdu
1992: Calvin Murray
1993: Steve Soderstrom
1994: Dante Powell
1995: Joe Fontenot
1996: Matt White
1997: Jason Grilli
1998: Tony Torcato
1998: Nate Bump
1998: Arturo McDowell
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Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
I think at least 6 of those guys made it to the majors.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
We should of kept Fontenot, hes playing a great 2b right now for the cubs
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by say hey nation on Jun 19, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I think all of them did but White and McDowell.
However, none of them were ever productive major leaguers. Most only got cups of coffee.
And Matt White was a disaster on so many levels.
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Whoops
I accidentally left out Eric Christopherson from 1990. He was another who never made the majors at all.
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White never even played in the Giants org. He spent a few years in the DRays org, but never reached the majors.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Hence my “on so many levels” remark.
He got declared a free agent, along with a couple of other draftees represented by Boras, on a technicality – as I recall, it was something like teams have to submit a written offer to draftees by a certain date, and those offers weren’t submitted on official team letterhead, so they were invalidated. Something like that, anyway.
Anyhow, he became a free agent, signed a ridiculous (for the time) contract – with Tampa Bay, for some reason. He was then a huge bust (hehehheheh) for them and had tons of injury problems.
And back then, you didn’t get comp picks for failing to sign your first rounders. It was a clusterfuck all around.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
ok. I didn’t know the background on that. I recall reading about something like that involving Boras, but it didn’t register that it was one of our picks.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if it would be a fair perspective
to perhaps include 1985-1988 on that list as well, just so we could have a 15 year track record.
I think we can all agree that draft strategy was poor in the 90s.
1985 worked out pretty well.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, those years were better.
My point is, you can do a lot worse than getting Bumgarner, Alderson, Noonan, Fairley, Culberson, and Williams in one year. And we have.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
sure, I agree with that
I am not mad at Sabean, I just kind of scratch my head at the whole thing.
23 errors? Hell, how many games is that in? Of course, he makes up for it by hitting about 200.
Year Round Pick Player Pos
2008 1 5 Buster Posey C
2008 1s 37 *Conor Gillaspie 3B
2007 1 10 Madison Bumgarner LHP
2007 1 22 *Tim Alderson RHP
2007 1 29 *Wendell Fairley OF
2007 1s 32 *Nick Noonan 2B
2007 1s 43 *Jackson Williams C
2007 1s 51 *Charlie Culberson 2B
2006 1 10 Tim Lincecum RHP
2006 1s 33 *Emmanuel Burriss SS
2003 1 22 *David Aardsma RHP
2003 1s 34 *Roger Whitaker RHP
2002 1 25 Matt Cain RHP
2001 1 21 *Brad Hennessey RHP
2001 1 30 Noah Lowry LHP
2001 1s 41 *Todd Linden OF
2000 1 21 Boof Bonser RHP
1999 1 24 Kurt Ainsworth RHP
1999 1s 39 *Jerome Williams RHP
1998 1 19 *Tony Torcato 3B
1998 1 25 Nate Bump RHP
1998 1 29 *Arturo McDowell OF
1998 1s 38 *Chris Jones LHP
1998 1s 41 *Jeff Urban LHP
1997 1 4 Jason Grilli RHP
1997 1s 49 *Dan McKinley OF
1996 1 7 Matt White RHP
1995 1 16 Joe Fontenot RHP
1994 1 22 *Dante Powell OF
1994 1s 32 *Jacob Cruz OF
1993 1 6 Steve Soderstrom RHP
1992 1 7 Calvin Murray OF
1991 1s 33 *Steve Whitaker LHP
1990 1 15 *Adam Hyzdu OF
1990 1 19 *Eric Christopherson C
1990 1s 33 *Marcus Jensen C
1989 1 14 Steve Hosey OF
1988 1 15 *Royce Clayton SS
1988 1s 29 *Ted Wood OF
1987 1 16 Mike Remlinger LHP
1986 1 3 Matt Williams 3B
1985 2 2 Will Clark 1B
bold = made majors
*Compensation Picks
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The list I was just left out comp picks. They don’t make the picture for that decade any better.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
WTF How can you punt on TWO drafts in a row? I will never get over that.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
2004 – Matthew Campbell (Royals-1) – Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Michael Tucker
2005 – Aaron Thompson (Marlins-1) – Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Armando Benitez
Of course, we probably wouldn’t have taken those specific players, but at least it didn’t work out for anyone…:)
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
85 -88 is a very kind cut off. Not knocking your list just stating that you are being very fair in not trying blast track record from say 75 -05.
/ Tips hat
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 19, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
it was requested for the list to go back to 85, so that’s why I did it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Garza and Gallardo! Imagine this rotation (yes, yes, I know; shut up and let me dream):
Timmy
Gallardo
Cain
Garza
Mystery fifth starter (my dreams don’t include any of our other 3 current pitchers)
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
for some reason it says Will was a 2nd rounder. Obviously, that’s a typo. he was a first rounder.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
right. you just never know what can happen to guys, even after they get some initial success at the major league level.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
The Horror … The horror … the horror.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 19, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice to see that Juan Perez is back in the lineup and picking up right where he left off, 0-4 with a K.
I swear to god, Juan Carlos Perez. Don’t get my blood a boilin’.
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I wonder what the prospects would think if they know they are “adopted”
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 19, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
It would certainly depend on the level of fanaticism. I imagine my boy would run if he saw me (he damn well because he can’t fucking hit).
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I’m getting my boy a puppy and a new red bike after his great season!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like a certain someone wants the major league 2B job…
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jun 19, 2009 12:12 PM PDT reply actions
maybe the last chance to see Posey as a San Jose Giant this weekend in Stockton
The brass has said they are going to move him to Fresno after 300 ABs, he currently has 279 and with only 3 games left in the first half, it seems like after the All-Star break (he will be the starting Catcher) is a logical time to promote him.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 19, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions
Posey and Neal in this week's BA Hot Sheet
No. 4 BUSTER POSEY, C GIANTS
Team: high Class A San Jose (California)
Age: 22
Why He’s Here: .522/.633/.652 (12-for-23), 3 2B, 9 R, 2 RBIs, 7 BB, 2 SO, 1-for-1 SB
The Scoop: Posey didn’t bash his way to the No. 4 spot on this week’s Hot Sheet, but it’s hard to argue with a guy who reached base in nearly two-thirds of his trips to the plate. The multi-talented catcher, who was the fifth overall pick in last year’s draft, strung together four consecutive multi-hit games as part of a six-game hitting streak this week. Posey’s .331 average for the season ranks third among California League hitters, while his .430 on-base percentage ranks fourth.
No. 12 THOMAS NEAL, LF GIANTS
Team: high Class A San Jose (California)
Age: 21
Why He’s Here: .481/.533/.963 (13-for-27), 2 2B, 1 3B, 3 HR, 5 RBIs, 2 BB, 3 SO
The Scoop: You know your farm system is having a good year when you can make a solid argument for multiple players as the surprise prospect of the year. For the Giants, is it Jesus Guzman, a minor league free agent who’s already gotten a big league callup? Or is it shortstop Brandon Crawford, last year’s fourth-round pick who is already hit his way to Double-A? But you could also make a case for Neal, who is batting .350/.428/.632, which is a very loud season even in the California League. Neal’s raw power is the second best in the Giants organization, trailing only Angel Villalona. He’s turning that power into production—his 35 extra-base hits ranks among the minors’ leaders.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268409.html
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 2:10 PM PDT reply actions
I would argue that Kieschnick has more raw power than Neal, but it’s great to see Neal getting some pub.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 19, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it “light tower power”? If it’s not light tower, it’s just not as good.
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Kieschnick has light tower power
In the 4 SJ Giants games I’ve been to this year I have seen him hit two absolute moon shots, one splash hit into the river at Banner Island Ballpark in Stockton and one high off the batter’s eye in Modesto that went for a double.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 19, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s kinda silly distinction. they’re both loaded with tons of power.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd call this light tower power
probably has been posted http://www.baseballresource.com/hs/2005/feb/hr_derby_022705_individual.jpg
SWEET!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Big Game Friday
Some of the top SF pitching prospects will be pitching tonight. Bet the brass will take a big interest in another start by Pucetas,
AAA Fresno: Kevin Pucetas
AA Connecticut: Madison Bumgarner
A+ San Jose: Craig Clark
Connecticut Box with a live stream link.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Hope not. it looks like the defense may have let him down and he may not have been all the way back from the sickness that made him miss his last start. Also, humidity was over 50% in Altoona.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Volcanoes Roster released
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20090619/SPORTS/906190353/1029/VOLCANOES
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by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 19, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions
there’s a link at the bottom right.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 19, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks! Not a lot of big names, but several of the guys we just drafted. Cool to know that we even signed them this early.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
David Quinowski!
on the comeback trail
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 19, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit
That might be the longest TJ recovery ever. Good luck past adoptee.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
My newest adoptee
I hope it goes well, he seems like a very nice guy. Says he expects to be pitching tonight in the season opener.
Adopted father of Brian Bocock, Brad Boyer, Sharlon Schoop, Shane Jordan and Jeremiah Luster.

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