POLL: Moves
by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 9:56 AM PDT
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With the trade deadline approaching and the Giants firmly in... wait, can we call this contention?, the talk around here has been bat-centric. So I pose this question: if you could choose one player to add to the giants, who would it be? for the purposes of this poll, we will focus only on hitters, if you feel the team needs to add a pitcher, state so in the comments.
Now the contenders:
Brandon Wood 3B/SS/1B, Salt Lake Bees (AAA affiliate of the LA Angels)
.305/.379/.620 (avg/obp/slg), 15 HRs at AAA Salk Lake (187 ABs)
Former top prospect of the Angels that projects for power, but not average at the major league level. Could play almost any IF position, though is probably best suited for 3B.
Mark DeRosa 2B/3B/LF, Cleveland Indians
.280/.348/.479 (avg/obp/slg), 13 HRs (257 abs)
FA after this season; can play multiple positions, but is below average at those positions defensively (at lest 2B, not sure about the others).
Howie Kendrick 2B, Salt Lake Bees (AAA affiliate of the Angels)
.231/.281/.355 at LAA (186 ABs)
.286/.348/.476 at AAA Salt Lake (21 ABs)
Former starting 2B for the Angels, sent down to the minors last week. Has hit for average in the MLs, but not much else (Career line of .294/.324/.417).
Dan Uggla 2B, Florida Marlins
.216/.332/.414 at FLA
A bat-only 2B that may have to be moved to 3B in the future.
Nick Johnson 1B, Washington NationLOLs
.311/.415/.439 at WSH (228 ABs)
FA after this season; good on-base man, leads the league in not being Rich Aurilia; it is unknown if he is well versed in the fake bunt.
Kevin Frandsen 2B/SS/3B, Fresno Grizzlies
.330/.382/.484 at AAA Fresno (188 ABs)
We have said almost everything that needs to be said about frandsen the past couple days. Well versed in the art of the HBP.
BOWKERMANIA! RF/1B, Fresno Grizzlies
.343/.451/.573 at AAA Fresno (213 ABs), 10 HRs
Bowker has had a ridiculous season at AAA Fresno, getting on base at a .451 clip with double digit HRs and Steals. Can play 1B, but is primarily an OF.
Jesus Guzman 1B/3B, Fresno Grizzlies
.316/.364/.548 at AAA Fresno, 9 HRs
Guzman, a minor league FA pickup in the offseason, has impressed so far in the minors. Guzman played 3B most of his minor league career before being converted into a 1B this season.
So, what say the McCoven?
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Wood (if the price is right)!
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Jun 18, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by WalrusMan on Jun 18, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHOW ME YER MOVES!
From that list, I’d go for Wood and Johnson. We can call up Frandsen, Bowker, and Guzman whether we make a trade or not (although I can’t count on the Giants to actually do so).
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by Natto on Jun 18, 2009 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess
No one else found that funny. Big Fail on my part.
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Jun 18, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only funny if the giants DFA renteria and call up bocock
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and downs has to play as well. downs-bocock to johnson for the DP!
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
No “Wood to Bocock to Johnson”?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 18, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if we get rid of righetti and bring back dick pole as our pitching coach
by Rick Parker (Lewis) Can't Lose on Jun 18, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we could hire Dick Pound to make sure all of our guys stay off the juice
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 18, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or hire Rusty Kuntz as our 1st base coach
by LinceCainGarnerSon on Jun 18, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I met a guy named Dickson Koontz once. Didn’t make any jokes – he was a 5th degree black belt judging my tournament.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 18, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s why I said moves and not trades. in terms of adding a bat, a trade is not the only way to go, as there are some interesting players at AAA.
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I like Johnson the best then.
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by Natto on Jun 18, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a Frandsen guy, but like you I would mind adding a few of these players. I shy away from johnson and derosa because I don’t want to trade prospects for a rent-a-player. Trading for a player like wood makes sense because he’d be under team control for a few years. But I’m bullish on wood, whereas others are not. But I voted for frandsen anyway.
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only like him if we resign him after the season.
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by Natto on Jun 18, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right now i’m inclined to say we don’t need a 1B the way Ishi is swinging the bat and having bowker.guzman in AAA, but who knows if that will change a week from now
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by WalrusMan on Jun 18, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just made changes
Forgot uggla, new poll is up
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always been a Kendrick fan.. maybe the recent struggles mean we can get him on the cheap.
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by Azmanz on Jun 18, 2009 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you want Kendrick on the cheap, then you are probably rooting for sean rodriguez to tear it up so the Angels don’t bring up Kendrick anytime soon
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either bring Frandsen up and let him stay a while, or work a deal for Wood. Have seen him play seven times this year in 3A. Ninety five percent of his strikeouts come on off-speed stuff or pitches in the dirt. The boy can hit for power, but swings for the fence everytime. Needs to be corrected, or we would spend more time watching Giants hitters swing at balls in the dirt.
1) Uggla would end up costing too much in prospects.
2) DeRosa is not needed here unless he is free.
3) Kendrick is a very good player, but essentially a better Frandsen. Saw him last week, and he’s a great guy, but not a power bat.
4)Nick Johnson is broken and will continue to be so, let TI have his shot.
5) Jesus can hit, but his glove is made of stone.
6) Bowker may have a place on the MLB roster, but other roster (outfielder) moves need to made before he is brought up or he will just sit next to Nate on the bench.
The move I’d most like to see is missing from the poll: DFA Rich Aurilia Option
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
that’s implied as the corresponding roster move in 100% of these moves
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me likey what you saying.
Plus it sounds like the Nat’s are little drunk on Johnson love. Enough so i think your comment on #1 probably apply to #4 as well.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
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by daveinexile on Jun 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is DeRosa not needed? Giants 2B have combined for .234/.290/.260!
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by Cookyman on Jun 19, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night, I dreamed that the Giants traded Matt Cain to the Rangers for four people I’d never heard of and ESPN called it “terrible”. Even in the dream, I was like “The Rangers have one of the deepest farm system in baseball, so if I’ve never heard of these guys, they must really suck.” I was bawling!
It was a terrible dream.
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by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As for this...
I’m still in favor of a Wood trade.
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by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just curious
what do you think it would take for a deal to get done? part of me hopes sanchez and merkin would be enough, but I have no idea.
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think it would be a Sanchez for Wood type deal but now I’m not sure if Sanchez is worth that much :(
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by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Matt Cain would be a nightmare. Freddy Krueger type nightmare. The fact that ESPN was involved proves it :-)
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m surprised if ESPN was involved the trade wasn’t to an AL east/NL east team
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess in the dream I was surfing around ESPN.com for some reason and all of a sudden a pop up came up that said, “Matt Cain to Rangers in terrible trade, Gammons says” or something like that.
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by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Charles Barkley commented " It was a tuurrible trade"
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did one of the comments say “this is a horrible trade for the Rangers, matt cain doesn’t know how to win” ?
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only the Yankees,Red Sox and Mets are playing baseball right ?
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
phillies too
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Cardinals and Dodgers and Rays and Cubs…
This joke is old.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Jun 18, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, ESPN doesn’t care for any of these teams.
by SFGuy on Jun 19, 2009 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that is one god-awful dream
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 18, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok Damon Bruce caller*, settle down
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 18, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Lamar Bonds
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by stealth snail on Jun 18, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
According to this baseball writer dude that was on ESPN 2 just now, Sabean feels he has two #1 starters in Lincecum and Cain, and that he wants to add something or someone, but there is too much to improve on and other teams are asking way too much for their players, like Nick Johnson for instance.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They wanted Manny Delcarmen from the Red Sox but want more than that from the Giants? Fuck them.
You’ll take this Merkin and like it.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 18, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they’ll take a shortstop in the minors on our 40 man roster and like it. Love it even
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 18, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the Sox wanted to give up Delcarmen and the Nats were like “nah”
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by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with Peavy and Young hurting
The Friars may have to bite the bullet and deal Adrian Gonzalez
he’d take at least 2 major prospects, a la Villalona and Alderson, especially since it is within the division. Anyone go for that?
by BigO on Jun 18, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t imagine Villalona and Alderson would be enough to get Adrian Gonzalez. I, for one, would make that trade in a second.
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by Kitspool on Jun 18, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
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by Natto on Jun 18, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me three
I like that a lot better than Lincecum for Rios
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by natteringnabob on Jun 18, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me five !!
/wait…what ?
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
me four!!
I think.
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by i love sports101 on Jun 19, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Villanova, Alderson, Sanchez, and Ishi…… Get it done!
by OTTOMATIC on Jun 18, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit
that probably is what it would take. not sure I have the stomach for it
by BigO on Jun 18, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
Probably still not enough
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by CB30 on Jun 18, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they could get more than that. I think we would have to start with Alderson and Sandoval and add from there.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 18, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially since it’s to the Friars…
If you want to make a move clearing out that many players, do it with the Rays. I don’t want to have to see/face our old prospects 50 times a season and bemoan the crappiness of the trade on a regular basis!!
by Merope on Jun 18, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GO WILDCATS
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by lmaozedong on Jun 19, 2009 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adrian Gonzalez is making $4.75M next year and $5.5M the year after that. There’s no reason to trade him now. They won’t do it.
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by groug on Jun 18, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that it’s unlikely, but he’s pretty clearly not going to be on the next contending Pad-squad. FWIW, I was inspired by the following from an ongoing BP chat:
Travis (San Diego): Where do you stand on the idea of the Pads moving Adrian Gonzalez to the highest bidder? I fought it for a while, but I believe that it needs to be done in order to add solid young talent. I went to the game last night, and the only one of the starting nine that’s above replacement level is AG. As a lifelong fan, it’s quite depressing.
Marc Normandin: I hate to see him go, given how nice his contract is to that front office, but if they can pull in a megaton prospect or two—something the Padres desperately need—then you may have to. I haven’t seen as many Padres games as I would like—moving out of Boston knocked me away from bars with any game I wanted on TV—so my depression has been relegated to scoreboards.
by BigO on Jun 18, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they can replace AG with Kyle Blanks, who won’t be as good but at least he wouldn’t go to waste.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 18, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any realistic package for Adrian Gonzalez would have to include Buster Posey and/or Madison Bumgarner. If the Nats are asking for top prospects for always injured FA to be Nick Johnson, what is the price for a still young, under team control Adrian Gonzalez? If you’re not willing to discuss those two, (and I ain’t!!) stop dreaming that the Padres are not only willing to deal their best player, but they’re going to be willing to see him play against them 19 times a year.
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by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re probably right that they would ask for one of our top guys, though I expect that Bumgarner is more realistic than Posey (in the sense that pitchers are always the bigger risk). Anyway, I never said that I wouldn’t consider those two – I probably would consider MadBum straight up, though I’d have to think more about it. Also: I’m not sure we should gauge the possibilities of a deal on what the Nats expect for Nick the Stick – they always seem to want too much for their players, right?
by BigO on Jun 19, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they always seem to want too much for their players, right?
I would say they spend too long with their lips glued to their crack pipe but, as usual, you said it better.
Yes, This is still a 79 win squad.
Where is my beer & chili dog?
by daveinexile on Jun 19, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 18, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness, Beltre is just as good as Johnson and Uggla, and miles ahead of the rest of those guys.
by Evan on Jun 18, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltre
I live in Seattle and get to watch Beltre put Felizian swings on outside sliders on a nightly basis. I like his glove and while I think his hitting might take a small step up being back in the NL, he’s not that much of an upgrade that the Giants would need. And he’s a FA that won’t get any comp pics.
by jewbacca on Jun 18, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be at least a Type B FA (which, honestly, might even be better than Type A). And he’s hitting poorly this year but that’s all of 2 and a half months (and he’s hitting .362/.393/.569 in June so far) – the past three years he’s been an above average hitter. Add in the NL league change effect and Beltre would, imo, be a great addition.
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by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, three things about Beltre:
1. He plays great defense, as good as Pedro.
2. Safeco is to right-handed hitters as PacBell is to left-handed hitters. Check out his home-road splits; the park just kills him.
3. Also check out his first half / second half splits.
4. His last contract year was pretty good.
Yeah, that’s four things. No extra charge.
by Evan on Jun 18, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of this is true. He is a total warm weather player and Safeco kills almost all power both right and left. His warm June has been a product of Russell Branyan hitting 2nd and Griffey hitting 4th with Beltre 3rd. When he is put into a spot like that he produces. Earlier in the year they had him between Endy Chavez and Mike Sweeney.
I’m now sold. Sanchez for Beltre.
by jewbacca on Jun 18, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jewbacca
Is still my favorite screen name.
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by Lincecain on Jun 18, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could convert.
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by Lyle on Jun 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez wouldn’t do it alone, and really I have no idea what it would take to get him. Nick Johnson is probably more affordable.
by Evan on Jun 18, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this will make him a great fit
a total warm weather player
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by natteringnabob on Jun 18, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants can pull off Sanchez for Beltre straight up, I’m in.
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can't pull that off...
Sanchez for Beltre was my poor version of humor. Seattle needs pitching bad. I think that Pucetas and Sanchez combined could pull it off though.
Seattle still thinks they can contend this year is the problem so they are probably asking too much.
by jewbacca on Jun 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but you’re a one-man choir! All these other heathens are hanging around outside the church, smoking cigs and listening to the devil’s music.
Except jponry, she’s okay too.
by Evan on Jun 18, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
listening to the devil’s music.
Rush?
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 18, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush isn’t evil enough to be the devil’s music. Rush is more like the mischievous kitten’s music.
by Evan on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lenny Kravitz/Panic! at the Disco mashups
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 18, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Moves” is my nickname.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 18, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is only because you spend an inordinate amount of time on the toilet.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 18, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that a burn when you say that to an old guy ?
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with old guys the problem is lack of moves, not moves.
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by rxmeister on Jun 19, 2009 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Durham
for Rich Aurilia
BRASZ!
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
by kennv on Jun 18, 2009 1:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Other ...
If we’re going after a second baseman, I’d put Freddie Sanchez from the Pirates at the top of the list. Much more fundementally sound than Dan Uggla. If we make that move sooner than later, and the White Sox are sellers come the last week of July, then we go get Jermaine Dye.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Please no on Jermaine Dye. Old Outfielders we have. We even have some Semi-young ones that combined could likely equal the offensive production and wouldn’t hurt on defense. . So unless Rowand goes in the deal, no thanks.
Rowand,WInn, and Dye for the rest of the year ? Ewwww.
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by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say a big no on Dye. We’d pick him up and people would suddenly start wondering why our pitching staff is giving up so many runs. On balance, he’s not really much better than Lewis.
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by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye is a lot better on defense than some of the other corner outfield options like Matt Holiday or Luke Scott. If we could figure a way to trade for Carl Crawford, I’d be game. I don’t see Tampa being sellers at the deadline though.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye is a lot better on defense than … Matt Holiday
wha?
by Evan on Jun 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really. As has been pointed out before, Dye is working on his fourth straight year of -20 run defense. Scott, for his career, has been mostly positive (this is true for both RF and LF). Holliday is a very good defensive outfielder – +7.5 per 150 games over his career so far.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with the numbers then. It certainly isn’t the first time. Over the weekend series, Holliday looked lost in left field. He was taking bad routes on balls, and didn’t look comfortable tracking anything over his head. Scott is average, fielding and throwing. Dye is a strange case. He makes many routine plays seem difficult, and he makes many difficult plays look easy. He flashes range, but gets knocked for poor range. And he has a well above average arm. All-in-all, despite what the numbers say, a better defensive option than most power hitters currently available, including Holliday.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve watched a decent amount of Dye, and he just covers zero ground in RF. He makes difficult plays, but he’s the one making them difficult.
I don’t know what your talking about re: Holliday. We all watched him more than hold his own in that huge OF in Colorado for years.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 18, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I saw of Holliday over the weekend was pretty much the same defender he was with the Rockies. A bit more lackidasikal than ever, but just as uncomfortable. Plus, he doesn’t seem to like playing in SF. I’ve got to believe it would spark Dye’s abilities to get traded to SF. And I just don’t see him as a below-average defender, especially to replace Fred Lewis, who proves the numbers lie when it comes to defense. Last time I checked, Lewis was among the best defensive left fielders in the NL according to the numbers. In reality, he isn’t a very good defender.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When we’re talking about a pretty large sample size for the defensive stats (not Lewis so much as Dye and Holliday), I think you have to consider the possibility that your eyes are deceiving you. Guys who look awkward out there could be covering more ground than you give them credit for.
And I don’t understand why some people don’t see how Dye could be a below-average defensive outfielder (you’re not the first)… he’s aging, he’s had a number of horrible leg injuries… that sounds like exactly the sort of dude who would be a -20 defensive outfielder.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The injuries cause droughts in his defensive performance though. When he’s healthy, he’s actually better than average. If he were scuffling with injuries this season I could see abiding by the overall numbers. But those don’t account for games in which he is relatively healthy, as he has been this season.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s on pace to have a -15.4 season. This is not a fluke, this is not due to a drought due to injuries, this is a trend. He’s not good defensively. He is, in fact, terrible defensively, to the point where he gives back almost all of his offensive value w/ his glove.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Lewis’s numbers say he’s just above average, which is about right. If he could catch the ball, he’d be freaking Carl Crawford. And I wouldn’t get all crazy down on Holliday over one series.
There’s no such thing as style points in baseball.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 18, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I’ve never liked Holliday as a defender. He doesn’t go back on balls well at all. You can get away with the at Coors Field because outfielders play deeper in that park than on average. So a majority of ground that need be covered there is in front of an outfielder. And I see Lewis as being below average. His range is average at best, and the routes he takes on balls is awful. That’s the reason he isn’t playing now, not his bat.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry dude
But you are pretty much wrong. All of your arguments are based entirely on your own personal observation – and they fly in the face of both objective statistical observation as well as the perception of the vat majority of the baseball world.
So either you are some unique genius when it comes to evaluating outfielders defense, or you are wrong.
I know what I’d bet on…
by FairweatherFan on Jun 18, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“..vat majority…” = a large number of brewers imbibing their own product.
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by Lyle on Jun 19, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so basically
you’ve already made up your mind and it doesn’t matter what evidence is presented
by superk1ng on Jun 18, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
should fit in perfectly
in the McCoven
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 18, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, not that we’re not all like that.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 18, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah. I know what I know. I wouldn’t have written it otherwise. I’m not a unique genius, but I have argued against statistical data many times in my life, and more times than not I’ve turned out to be right. Defense stats are often flawed. They are a good gauge, but scouting is about player knowledge, not numbers knowledge. And I consider myself a very competent scout. Not that I am a professional one. But I could play one on TV.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
If you think Jermaine Dye is a good defensive outfielder still, I’m not so sure about how good of a defensive scout you are.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not five minutes ago I saw him go back on a Derrek Lee homerun, and Dye was on that thing. Sure, it went over the fence, but he took a route direct route to a ball that would have had Holliday or Fred Lewis dizzy from changing directions one or two times. As per your comment above about it being a fact that he is terrible defensively … numbers aren’t facts. Numbers are numbers. If numbers were facts, Brian Giles would be the worst right fielder on the planet both sides of the ball. And Brian Giles is a darn good ballplayer. Be not so sure about whatever you want. That’s your business. I’m a pretty sharp baseball cat though. Just sayin’.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Giles? that’s your counter-argument? he was one a darn good ballplayer, but by now he should be released.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Brian Giles IS the worst right fielder on the planet on both sides of the ball. He is old, he’s had some injuries, his body is not what it once was. Research by guys like MGL and TangoTiger has indicated that in most cases, defensive skills erode very quickly as players age. It shouldn’t be at all difficult to believe that a 38 year old with severely diminished physical skills would no longer be very good defensively. He is not the same player that he was when he was in his late 20s-early 30s! The same thing goes for Dye.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Giles has taken a dramatic turn from his defensive play early in the year against the Giants, he is still a pretty darn good fielder. Granted his hitting has been non-existent, and perhaps he won’t recover. He is far from the worst right fielder both sides of the ball though. Only have to go across The Bay to find that guy.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense is just as prone to small sample size as offense is. Perhaps Giles made a few nice plays against the Giants early in the year. It is entirely possible for that to have happened AND for him to still be having an awful year defensively as a whole. You cannot take one or two plays and use them as an example for the entirety of a player’s defense. (Stats like UZR DO take into account every play made in a certain player’s zone… and, believe it or not, I am pretty sure the stat it’s based off of – zone rating – is calculated with the help of human observation.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote all the UZR, RF, and WAR you want. Don’t sit here and me I can’t say such-and-such because of small sample sizes and this and that. You want to talk ball, then talk ball. Don’t preach sabermetrics to me though. If you find statistical data useful, then use it. Quote it all you want. Don’t expect me to speak that language though, or to go along with it as a final word. I have a very particular, and very effective method for evaluating baseball. It works for me, and I’m a pretty good and reliable baseball person. You and I have had convo’s in the past jponry, and you’ve always been somewhat invasive with your views, and have talked down to me on several occasions. If you feel like I am such a knucklehead, don’t feel the need to respond to every post I make. I understand you are thorough, and like to be involved in a lot of chatter at this site. And that’s great. I respect that. But if you feel the need to contradict everything I post at this site, maybe it’s best if you just steer clear. I heard you all the first three times you questioned my insights. Enough. And, I certainly don’t want to digress into a conversation about Brian Giles. A .190 batting average is depressing enough without harping on about it. I brought him up to make a point. And he didn’t “perhaps” make a “few nice plays” against the Giants, he PLAYED a great right field against the Giants. There’s a difference, and I am quite aware of the difference.
by StickRat on Jun 18, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, some of my comments in this thread have been douchey. I didn’t mean to talk down to you or anything but I see that it came across that way to you and I’m sorry.
But I’m going to say that I’m not trying to contradict you or show you up – I’m disagreeing with you and explaining why I disagree with you. I wasn’t aware this was a recurring thing, but if you feel like it is, I’ll steer clear of discussing things with you.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 18, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to talk ball, I’m always down. But enough of the Jehovah’s Witness treatment. I do not want to buy a sabermetrics Watchtower.
by StickRat on Jun 19, 2009 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, talking ball involves statistics and sabermetrics and all that fun stuff. I don’t think I’m personally an evangelical about it – for one, I don’t really think I completely agree with a lot of the prevailing dogma (especially WRT the way people use several of the fielding/luck independent pitching statistics).
But I don’t think most people on here (or at all, really) realistically have the time or resources to watch players from other teams in terms of defense enough to really get a good read on how good they actually are, since I’m of the opinion that a pretty large sample size is required before you can really accurately say (and even then…). In those cases, I personally see no problem with resorting to defensive statistics if there is a large sample to draw from. And, like I said, at the very least, stats like UZR are not bullshit like range factor, it’s a stat that is based on the observation of actual people.
But I understand why many people are skeptical as to the validity of the current defensive statistics and I understand if you disagree with me as to their usefulness.
Lastly, I’d like to apologize for any times in the past where I’ve come across as abrasive – I realize that I have that tendency – but it’s never meant to be anything personal.
I’m gonna say though, I don’t think using sabermetrics in an argument/discussion or expounding aspects of their use as an attempt to explain why I’m using them the way I am is the same as being a Jehovah’s Witness about them.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 19, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to jump in on this, but reading this discussion, it’s pretty clear that this isn’t a matter of jponry having “invasive” views that he tries to press on you but rather, a matter of you being unwilling to discuss anything outside the territory of your already established opinion. I mean, if your opinion is so solid already that literally nothing anyone will say will change it, what purpose is there to discussing it in the first place? Honestly, you don’t seem so much open to “talking ball” as much as talking about YOUR kind of ball. Which is kind of a funny position to take, given how different 99% of McC’s population’s views are from yours..
I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..
by lmaozedong on Jun 19, 2009 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just MCC's population
But the population of the baseball world AND professional scouts.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 19, 2009 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That jponry dude can get into some serious pissing contests sometimes.
Leading the Pro-Aaron Rowand contingent on the McC!
You can ridicule me in 2009 if you like...
by ThrillisGone22 on Jun 19, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s such a dick.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 19, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don’t feel like arguing my viewpoint every time I share one. Not that it’s really your business — I say that out of respect for JP because the convo was between him and me — but arguments will escalate when people take personal shots, and reiterate points of contention. When someone writes something like “I don’t know how good of a scout you are if you think …,” that is going to escalate an argument. Maybe a person has a sense of humor and can blow certain things off. I don’t really have much of a sense of humor when it comes to topical baseball discussion, especially when people are questioning my sensibilities. So far as the numbers thing goes, unless someone has more to offer than blanket numbers, I get tired of being refuted by them over and over again. I don’t have “my” kind of ball, and I resent you bolding the word “your”. See, I take that personally because it’s a pronoun pointed at me. I’m not here to make myself open to personal shots, or to have people point fingers at me. I don’t do that to people, and I expect the same respect. If I don’t get it, I get upset. I’m not here pissing on anyone elses’ views, or more importantly, telling people they don’t know what they are talking about or that they are knuckleheads. I wrtie the way I write — which may make it seem like I’m toting a specific “kind of ball” — for one reason; to defend my position, without dispurging someone elses. Right or wrong, or somewhere in between that is nearer to right, I have at all times been respectful in this thread; until of course the end there, when I went a bit nuts with the Jehovah’s Witness comment. It took awhile for me to get to that point though. Views can’t be invasive, but the way they are presented can be. If you can make that distinction, maybe you can understand where I’m coming from.
by StickRat on Jun 19, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 19, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(jponry is a female btw)
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 19, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m ultimately bitter because I’m sitting here talking about baseball instead of out there playing it. (Not that there is anything inherently dysfunctional about being female. Nice thing about the internet is we are all to a certain degree androgynous. Except of course my wife, who I met on the internet. No not a freaky dating site if you must know.)
by StickRat on Jun 19, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
frankly meeting a person of the opposite sex on the internet
but NOT on a dating site seems worse, to me.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 19, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, what is your problem? Now you’re making judgements about my personal life? Grow the fuck up.
by StickRat on Jun 19, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
INTERNET IS SRS BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!
I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..
by lmaozedong on Jun 20, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would that be worse? I betcha eventually you’ll have a couple of Giants fans meet on this site and hook up.
by Merope on Jun 19, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d hook up with Jp..just to bug her about my infatuation with Burriss… :)
Robby Thompson "hey Hinshaw, let me see your hat for a minute."
Alex HInshaw "Why?"
Robby Thompson ,"You'll see...."
by LargeFarva on Jun 21, 2009 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
“His range is average at best”
AT BEST
I only have a signature because I recognize everyone else by their sigs, not their usernames..
by lmaozedong on Jun 19, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking nowhere near the box
And yet I’m intrigued. Please send me your newsletter.
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by Lyle on Jun 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
may I read the newsletter when you are finished?
by wilriv21 on Jun 18, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t you write it?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Jun 18, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This kid can play all over the field. Top defensive positions are SS and CF. Prefer Andrus at SS and Posey in CF (or 2b).
by wilriv21 on Jun 18, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness, I wish Buster was brought up as a 3B. I see some similarities between him and Evan Longoria.
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 18, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, it’s cool that Posey can have such a good bat at C, but Sandoval’s bat plays just as well there, and somehow I get the feeling that Sandoval at C and Posey at 3B would be a more optimal defensive alignment..
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by lmaozedong on Jun 19, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lyle has Buster at 3B
Brilliant conclusion on your part, lmaozedong!
Wil, I left his his newsletter in the break room. Feel free to take it with you.
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by Lyle on Jun 19, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MOAR CFs
Remember that time we had 6 of them
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by lmaozedong on Jun 19, 2009 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about JJ Hardy?
He’s having a bad year, so we may be able to pick him up for much cheaper than he would have cost us last off-season. The Brewers need pitching. Do you think they’d take Sanchez, Pucetas, and a AAA reliever or AA prospect for Hardy?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Jun 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah. From the current list I chose Wood. He seems to be the Kevin Frandsen of the Angels, so maybe we can get him while his pricetag is low. I don’t want any of the other non-Giants on the list, but I would like to see any 2 out of the 3 Grizzlies listed called up now and be given significant ABs.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 18, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Brewers are leading their division, why would they create a hole at SS?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 18, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flu, would like for you to meet Mr Alicides Escobar
by wilriv21 on Jun 18, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they thought Escobar was ready, wouldn’t they have brought him up to play 2B when Rickie Weeks got hurt?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 18, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Escobar arrives Hardy will be the one on the move
by wilriv21 on Jun 18, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers also employ a one Mr. Prince Fielder who might be an attractive option. Hmm…let’s see…who would we have to give up to get him? A starting pitcher maybe?
I like cats.
by Norm Median on Jun 18, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielder hits like a prince and fields like a totem pole. We would need the rangiest 2nd baseman in baseball to compensate for him on defense.
by campanari on Jun 18, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burriss!
Oh yeah, he kinda sucks.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 18, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to do a clever “Cain 4 Fielder” type comment. I guess is wasn’t that clever.
I like cats.
by Norm Median on Jun 21, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Hardy is available I would love to have him. I think we would have to do better than Sanchez, Pucetas, and a AAA reliever to get him.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 18, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
a SS that's a decent hitter and a great fielder?
YES PLEASE
by superk1ng on Jun 18, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar?
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by ThrillisGone22 on Jun 18, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Lamar Bonds
Let him bat clean-up and move Bengie to 7th. He needs a month to become major league ready, and then watch out.
by bradleybear on Jun 18, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jake Fox
He’s a guy that’s blocked by Lee in Chicago. Can he be had for cheap?
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 19, 2009 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jake Fox makes Jesus Guzman looks like JT Snow
by jctGamer on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuck! Really?
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 19, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
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MMA Fan
USC Trojan Fan
by i love sports101 on Jun 21, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
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by Natto on Jun 21, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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