Winn and Molina will probably be Type A Free Agents
As long as they keep up their production (air quotes may be added for Molina, if you are so inclined), we might get draft picks out of them after the year.
Aw, who am I kidding? Sabes will just sign Winn to an extension.
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Cool, give us more picks. We seem to do alright in the draft
by m34josh on Jun 16, 2009 6:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now, I think I would probably offer Winn arb. I’m not sure I’d do the same for Bengie.
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t you have to offer them arb to get picks in return? I’d be kinda scared to offer then both arb too that they might accept. Molina especially.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. To get a compensation pick, you have to offer arb. and the player has to decline. I think Winn on a 1-year deal wouldn’t be bad. That’s if he still remains product. He’s been a great player for the Giants and nobody is really ready in the minors (besides maybe Bowker) to play an OF position.
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAYBE BOWKER?? MAYBE?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Bowker as much as anyone (Check his BB-REF PAGE) but I’m still nervous about his newfound BB ways.
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely two of the Bowker, Lewis, Schierholtz troika can provide acceptable production for minimal salary.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 17, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't we heard this one before?
When it comes to baseball prospect, quality seems to trump quantity.
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by Bhaakon on Jun 17, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a player is signed by another team before the mid-December Arbitration deadline, then they do not need to be offered arbitration to get a compensation pick.
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by BruteSentiment on Jun 16, 2009 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn’t it be made clear by management before the player’s arb decision that, were they to accept, they would be consigning themselves to a backup/utility role? Saying “Posey/Schierholtz absolutely WILL be the opening day starter in 2010” could do a lot to talk them out of accepting an arb offer, I’d think.
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by i did my job on Jun 16, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it could, but it doesn’t always work that way.
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by BruteSentiment on Jun 16, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially since, if they accept the offer, that’s a lot of cash for a veteran like that—and a lot of cash to stick on the bench.
We won’t really know what the best move is until we get around that time: who knows what the economy will look like then, and we can only draw general ideas about what teams will be looking for what in the off season.
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by haverecords on Jun 16, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my thought. We should inform Bengie that there’s no way in hell he’s starting, and I’m sure he’d turn down arbitration. Winn I’d be ok with offering arb, he’s worth more than he’s been paid in my opinion.
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by MonkeyChow on Jun 17, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants got picks for Molina, that would be so awesome that I would pee myself. Then I would pee myself again.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Given that Molina hasn’t had much interest in the FA market since leaving Anaheim, I’d be surprised if anyone signed him next year. If they did it would be because we didn’t offer him arbitration.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know some people who would also be willing to pee you, if you’re interested.
You don’t even really have to be interested, to tell the truth.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How often is a type A free agent not offered arbitration? Especially since he is the only type A free agent catcher that wouldn’t have an option.
by ptizzy on Jun 16, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Abreu just last year was not tendered arb by the Yanks.
I would definitely offer Molina arb if he’s a Type A. Worst case, if he accepts, we get him for one more year at a salary that won’t kill us – which allows us to be flexible with Buster. Best case we get a 1st and a supplemental pick for him.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2009 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I neglected to add that I’d do the same for Winn if he’s an A. Having him around for 1 more year as a 4th outfielder wouldn’t be bad at all.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th outfielder? At his salary? Not very likely. If they offer him arbitration, it would be so he could start.
by Fresburg on Jun 17, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really really really really don’t get this attitude. What difference does it make how much $ he’s making? If a player isn’t producing (or isn’t expected to), the $ they make should have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not they start. Offering Winn arb and having him be an overpaid 4th OF isn’t the worst thing in the world. It’s not the best management of resources, but if the payoff in draft picks is worth the risk, they should try it. However, if he accepts, how much $ he is given shouldn’t affect his role on the team.
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by Viliphied on Jun 17, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you’re saying, especially as it pertains to Rowand.
To clarify, if they offer him arbitration it would be with the intent to have him start. That means that you don’t offer him 9 million plus to be your 4th outfielder, as Fla-Giant was suggesting. That’s not good business.
by Fresburg on Jun 17, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake. I meant to type “1 more year as at least a 4th outfielder”. It’s may not make much of a difference to you, but I think even if he started out as just a 4th outfielder he would get plenty of innings due to slumps, injuries, late-inning defensive/base-running replacements to make him well worth the money to a contending team. Plus, he’s be good insurance if one of the other OFs pull a FLew and forget how to hit a ball for weeks/months at a time. Remember, I’m not saying that I prefer this outcome, just that the risk/reward is worth it to convince me to offer him arb in the offseason.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 18, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you’re saying, but I don’t see anyway that Winn turns down arbitration with his limited market value in this economy, and if that’s the case you might as well just extend him rather than have a judge determine his value.
Personally I’d rather not offer him arb. and then let him test the market, while letting him know that if he doesn’t find anything he can come back on a lower salary (1 yr, 4-5 mil or something).
by Fresburg on Jun 19, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Winn
Was surprisingly valuable at least year. According to The fielding bible his defensive and offensive runs added put him on par with players like Jason Bay and Manny Ramirez. He might be the singlemost underrated player in all of baseball.
by Change Up on Jun 16, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re preaching to the choir around these parts
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by Natto on Jun 17, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might have been.
Jury’s out on this season. The early returns suggest a decline on both sides of the ball, and the Giants apparent preference to bump Randy to left when Schierholtz plays suggest that the team might not be aware of his defensive value.
Not to say that he doesn’t still have decent value, just that 2008 might have been a bit of a fluke and he’s not getting any younger.
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by Bhaakon on Jun 17, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but how much of that has to do with Randy’s versatility (able to field all 3 OF positions) and Nate’s ability to seemingly play RF exclusively?
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 17, 2009 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s a matter of Nate ONLY being able to play RF. It probably has more to do with his ability to play a pretty good RF. His speed and strong arm make him a good fit to play there.
by Fresburg on Jun 17, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 17, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
Schierholtz has a strong arm, but I son’t think he has much range, particularly in comparison to Winn. In general, I don’t think a strong arm makes up for lack of range, and the size of RF in ATT in particular makes range even more important relative to arm than it normally is.
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by Bhaakon on Jun 17, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps… maybe he just wooed me with his weekend put outs. But he’s definitely no slouch in right.
by Fresburg on Jun 17, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not a complete zero out there, but he kicks the ball around and takes weird routes just like Lewis does, but doesn’t quite have the same range.
The arm is pretty awesome, though. Maybe that will be an equalizer.
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
by oldjacket on Jun 17, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is it written in stone that Nate can only play RF? Sure his arm is a bit wasted in LF, but not so much that it keeps Winn out of RF. Winn is easily one of the top 3 defensive RFs in all of baseball, and AT&T is one of the most difficult RFs in all of baseball. I’d like to see Nate in LF (he can’t be worse there than FLew), Winn in RF, and FLew back in Fresno to work on his D and his batting confidence.
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by Fla-Giant on Jun 18, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a player is offered arbitration, aren’t they guaranteed to earn something like 70% of what they made the previous year? If that’s the case, I’d be nervous to offer it to Winn’s $8.25 m salary.
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by ResDog on Jun 17, 2009 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be very nervous about offering either of them arbitration
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 17, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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