What to do with Rich Aurilia?
by Scronjsn on Jun 16, 2009 6:12 PM PDT
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The Giants don't have very many holes at a given position right now. One could make the argument that Travis Ishikawa is not an everyday first baseman, but his defensive abilities seem to be keeping him on the roster. Also, everyone knows that we lack power.
So I got to thinking that Rich Aurilia is a hole in our bench. Now, I do factor in his veteran know-how and what that brings to the club, but do you think that outweighs a 200 something BA? I also realize that by fixing the pinch hitter/ defensive sub/ every now and then starter, is not to going to push us over the edge, but I do think it will help.
What do you guys think about trading for the following hitters(1 of the following, not all): Julio Lugo(not really big on him at the moment), Willie Bloomquist, or Ramon Santiago. All these guys shouldn't have a huge price tag and all are not starters, besides Lugo who is only filling the spot until Jed Lowrie returns. All have been hitting pretty well, Santiago somehow has some pop this year and Bloomquist has shown some interesting speed on the bases this year.
What do you guys think? I love Rich but we gave ourselves an out when we only guaranteed him the minimum salary this season.
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DF to the Fuckin A
Ps, this team has holes all over the field.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 16, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Legend himself will survive any roster move
He can survive a nuclear blast.
by jctGamer on Jun 16, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
saddest movie ever
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schindler's List has a bone to pick with you.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 17, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should see more movies.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."
by BrianBokake on Jun 17, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the original is better. The Omega Man (of the inning)
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 17, 2009 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is decidedly less awesome than Soylent Green.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."
by BrianBokake on Jun 17, 2009 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soylent Green
also an acceptable answer to the original post
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 18, 2009 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Rec’d!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by i love sports101 on Jun 19, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do factor in his veteran know-how
With a micrometer? Or a geiger counter? Them’s some small particles.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Take him behind the barn and...
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 16, 2009 6:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“No dad I’ll do it. He’s my Rich Aurilia”
by jhiat00 on Jun 17, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 17, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it should be OLD FELLER
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 17, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in all honesty
LOL, which I have to say is the only time that title has ever caused that reaction for me.
Really.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 17, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t realize this until now, but Matt Cain (.240) is batting 20 points higher. That’s how bad Aurilia (.220) and Burriss (.238) have been.
by lincecumania on Jun 16, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone is going to have to sneak into Aurilia’s house and steal those photos he has of Bochy blowing that goat.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Jun 16, 2009 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone is going to have to sneak into Aurilia’s house and steal those photos he has of Bochy blowing that goat Rich blowing Bochy.
How did you think he was keeping his roster spot?
Semi-proud adoptive father of Scott Barnes.
by boonitez on Jun 16, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What to do with Rich Aurilia?
Slowly nudge him out the door and slip him a CSN-BA shirt while doing so.
by dskjfd on Jun 16, 2009 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“But I already have three of these!!!”
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 16, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have Sabean talk with him about HOW he wants his release to go, not IF he wants it.
Rich can retire, be released instead if he wants to try to catch on with another team, or go on the DL to get a little time to think about which of these he wants. In addition to paying off the rest of his contract, he could add to it by being a commentator (I personally don’t really want him as a coach).
But yeah, Rich, sorry man, it happens to EVERYONE in EVERY field, but it is time to move on and out. Great Giant and one we will always look at fondly. But my 80-year-old father has done great things in his life but he ain’t allowed to drive my little son in his car anymore, you know? It happens. It’s time.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 16, 2009 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But he could teach fake bunts!!!!
Nice anecdote on your father and the car, BTW.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got it!
We’ll tell Rich if he retires he can drive the mayor’s kid around!
My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman
by Goofus on Jun 16, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no reason to pick up any of those guys when he’s perfectly replaceable with Frandsen.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 7:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we break Richie’s ankles to make the decision easier on sabean? And while we are on the subject of Sabean, can we be the first team inMLB history to place the GM on the 60 Day DL????
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Jun 16, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Clearly...
DFA is the only answer. No witty answer comes to mind.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fixed
The Giantsdon’thaveverymany holes ata givenvirtually every position right now, save for first and maybe catcher.
Oh, and maybe CF. Now, what were you saying?
Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...
by bkrhater on Jun 16, 2009 9:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
as I read this
He strikes out
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Aurilia is tarnishing my memories of him.
If he could still play passable defense at SS and 2B then it might make some sense to see if his bat comes around to where it was last year, but he’s now a corner defender with nowhere near the bat for it.
Sad.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DFA
That was an easy one. Now, what do we do with the rest of the offense? That one’s a little bit tougher.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
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by thehavenot on Jun 16, 2009 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The rest of the offense just needs a good talkin’ to.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aurillia, one of my favorite players.
He sux as a part time player. He seems to have to play everyday to get his timing. When he doesn’t he often looks so off balance at the plate. He did make a nice defensive stab today. Being he is not going to play a lot, he is no longer needed. If he played everyday he would probably hit about 280 and hit somewhere around 8 or 10 homers. As a part timer he will be lucky to hit 250. Frandsen could be just as bad as Richie, and cheaper, and he can learn at this time and be better for next year. Make Richie a coach. Bring Frandsen up, and lets get on to winning. MaKE SANCHEZ a reliever, and bring up Bumgarner for the rotation.
by bradleybear on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that if Rich Aurilia played every day, he would be exceptionally bad at it.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
The guy is simply not a good baseball player any more. His skills have really eroded.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 17, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be like now, but more, and we need less, not more. More is bad.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 17, 2009 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is odd. In general, more is usually better. But in this case, you are correct sir.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 17, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rich played everyday..
can you imagine the number of double plays he’d hit into?
Robby Thompson "hey Hinshaw, let me see your hat for a minute."
Alex HInshaw "Why?"
Robby Thompson ,"You'll see...."
by LargeFarva on Jun 17, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers don’t go that high.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Jun 17, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simple
DFA
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 11:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tell him he will be DFA’d unless he decides to man up and retire. Give him a day to discuss it with his family. Then DFA him when he says he can still play.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 16, 2009 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So DFAing him is clearly the consensus, but who would we plug in then? One guy mentioned getting Franny instead of “those guys”. However, as much as I like Franny, he got 2 hits in 28 ABs. I understand that he only got to play in a whole 9 games, but still, if you’re brought up, you’re expected to produce immediately.
So let’s move on from DFAing Rich. What’s the next move? Do we get “those guys” that I mentioned? Do we bring back recently optioned Emma, or I guess Franny or Velez? Who would you bring in, and saying somebody like Pedroia is clearly not happening. My main reason for bringing up the people that I mentioned is due to the fact that Sabean won’t part with the prospects that it would take to bring in a starter.
Another idea that will probably get shot down immediately is Mark Grudzielanek…any takers?
by Scronjsn on Jun 17, 2009 12:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Took me a few seconds for me to realize that you're talking about Burriss
Bring up Frandsen
Judgment Day is coming
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by Natto on Jun 17, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring up Frandsen
And leave him up more than 10 games. BTW, I think Downs is heading back down in 5 days when Frandsen is eligible to return.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 17, 2009 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
easy
Jesus.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 17, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe is Aurilia, but like three years ago and better, because he can actually play all of the infield positions. That’s why Aurilia is quadruple extra useless to this team. There’s absolutely no need for Aurilia at all. If he’s going to be there to pinch-hit against LHP, then you might as well bring up Guzman.
Either Frandsen or Downs should be up, but probably not both. Neither has enough game-changing bat to justify both on the big club when Uribe is around. I’m against Guzman as the everyday 1Bman, because I think Ishikawa deserves a real, uninterrupted shot, but with Guzman’s utter lack of glove, he’s ok for spot starts against tougher LHP and as a bigger righty bat PH.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 17, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe is Aurilia……That’s why Aurilia is quadruple extra useless to this team.
That’s it. End of thread….Everybody pack It in.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
^^^this idea only came up because Emma was recently sent down and we now have Matt Downs from the farm.
by Scronjsn on Jun 17, 2009 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just release him
It’s really not worth all of this discussion. His time has come and gone, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it happens to everybody.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 17, 2009 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DFA
Okay, I’ll read your fanpost now.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 17, 2009 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You read the post ?
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 17, 2009 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of. I’m in Tennessee right now, so I’ve decided that I can’t really read anymore.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 17, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where in TN?
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 17, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the nvsfg juniors is in Nashville. Where ya at ?
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 17, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m visiting some family in Nashville. Good lord the weather is disgusting.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 18, 2009 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a big fan of the heat/humidity situation myself. My daughter really likes the area, and plans to stay after she finishes school.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 18, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually really like the city and am going to apply to residency here. The weather probably isn’t all that different from what I’m used to in Omaha, but Nebraska hadn’t heated up by the time I’d left.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 18, 2009 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, so I am really out of the loop. Did Manny get sent down? Or is he on the DL/BL? Does this mean Uribe is our starting 2b and Pablo is back at the hot corner? This seems somewhat huge. Also, DOWNS!
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 17, 2009 8:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Per Baggs,
Pablo to 3rd today, Ishi at 1st
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 17, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. An intriguing development this. Thanks for the info.
Joe Martinez: My fingers are crossed and my palms are together for you.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
by cornball on Jun 17, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aurilla is suffering from a case of DF Aging.
Currently, two treatments exist:
- DFA
- Cull
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 17, 2009 9:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m such a non-confomist that i’m not going to conform with the rest of you.
wait, yes i am. DFA all the way.
by druncan on Jun 17, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, we can’t kill him, right? I mean, we could, but it would be wrong. Wouldn’t it?
by Evan on Jun 17, 2009 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I know you’re joking, but c’mon, let’s give the man a little more respect than this. Aurilia is done, and should be let go. No disputing that. But he was a good player for several years for us, and definitely deserves more love than this.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
by Skaldheim on Jun 17, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, I still love the guy. And honestly I’m not as eager as everyone else to cut him loose. The team still needs a RH pinch-hitter and spot starter at first, and Aurilia will do fine until they decide Guzman is ready.
by Evan on Jun 17, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Howard Beale treatment!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 17, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFAurilia
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 17, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Put him in that crab suit so he can still be around the team and fans.
by seyheystretch on Jun 17, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh someone needs to photoshop this…
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 17, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Richie sucks...
But a lot of the time, these type of players do suck, but because his role isn’t that important, it’s no big deal having him on the team.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jun 17, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
which is worse?
2009 Rich Aurillia at baseball, or the first sentence of this fan post in accuracy?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 17, 2009 12:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is funny
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 17, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s true. They don’t have very many holes at a given position. Give me a position – ANY position – and I bet you I can only name one hole they have there. Two, tops.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 17, 2009 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
out field!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 18, 2009 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah.
tense trouble.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 18, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We dont need to release him
just send him back to Fresno, he signed a minor league contract anyway didnt he?
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 17, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure he would develop a lot as a player with 100 ABs in AAA
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 17, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fresno FTW!
Nothing helps a Ginats player learn to hit like some solid batting instruction in Fresno!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 17, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA. If we can go back in time and do it earlier even better.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."
by BrianBokake on Jun 17, 2009 11:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe it took a whole day, but
In the immortal words of Hannover Fist…
Hangin’s too good for him.
Burnin’s too good for him!
He ought to be cut up in to itty bitty pieces,
AND BURIED ALIVE!!!!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 18, 2009 9:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Aurilia hit that HR a few weeks ago and all the articles were like MEAN PEOPLE WHO WANTED RICH AURILIA CUT MUST FEEL REALLY BAD NOW HAH!
argh!
by xanthan on Jun 18, 2009 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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