The Kevin Frandsen Dilemma
by Grant on Jun 16, 2009 12:36 PM PDT
311 comments
Quick preamble to what I’m about to write: I know that it’s a little bit cowardly to write about this when Manny Burriss is in an 0-for-27 slump, and not when he was on fire last month. That’s just how I roll, though.
It’s a little underwhelming to list off the young players who’ve been hosed by the Giants. Todd Linden? Never got a shot, but was never any good above AAA for anyone else. The same description would apply to Damon Minor, Dan Ortmeier, and Armando Rios, too. Yorvit Torrealbanever got a fair shot but that didn’t work out poorly for the Giants. Unless you consider that the perceived need for a catcher led to a trade that sent the entire franchise spiraling down a crotch-kneeing abyss, that is. But that’s a discussion for another time.
So it’s kind of funny to think how indignant a lot of Giants fans were that some of these guys didn’t get a chance to start. Maybe the front office had them pegged all along as fringe major leaguers, and maybe they deserve some credit for scouting their own players.
But Kevin Frandsen is getting absolutely hosed. A quick chronology:
- Drafted in ‘04
- Moved up three levels all the way to AAA in ’05, hitting well at every minor league stop
- Split time between AAA and the majors in ’06, hitting well in AAA
- Spent most of the year as a reserve player for the Giants in ’07, hitting miserably until getting hot when he received regular at-bats toward the end of the season
- Done busted his achilles’ tendon in ‘08
- Vanished from the organizational picture as if Marty McFly didn’t do something in the past to prevent this
And Frandsen didn’t disappear because a better option came along, mind you. He disappeared because the front office decided to freebase speed and defense, which led them to call up a slap-hitter with little experience above A-ball, who’s surprising everybody by hitting like a slap-hitter with little experience above A-ball. Frandsen’s defense is so bad, the Giants have to hide him at shortstop in AAA, so you can only imagine what it would be like if he had to play second. He might lead the NL in errors instead of just being tied, like Burriss. (And, no, errors aren’t the best way to measure defense, but the abacus twiddlers don’t like Burriss either.)
Meanwhile, Frandsen’s raking in AAA again. He's hitting .330/.381/.475, which is close to his career minor league line of .327/.390/.460. Note that more than half of his career minor league at-bats came in AAA, so it isn't as if his numbers are inflated by a monster year in rookie ball. That performance isn’t just going to translate right over to the majors, of course. The projection systems differ a bit, but most have Frandsen as a kind of .270/.330/.380 hitter, which reads like a cleanup option to this team. It certainly would clobber the snot out of the .238/.292/.267 the Giants have received from second this year.
Frandsen isn’t likely to ever be an All-Star. His ceiling might be as a decent utility option for a good team. It might make sense to trade for a second baseman instead of making a Burriss/Frandsen swap, which in the grand scheme of things, might only be worth an extra win over the remainder of the season. But Frandsen is getting hosed, and I just felt like pointing it out. He’s been vocal about his displeasure, and he was visibly upset when Edgar Renteria pinch-hit for him in a close-and-late situation. Good. He should be.
0 recs |
311 comments
|
Email
Print
Comments
This guy a douch?
Stupid Sunglasses bias
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I just heard him on KNBR one too many times.
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, something about him is very annoying
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Burriss is starting over him?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could not agree more
Hey, did you know he cheered for this team as a young boy? No, seriously! He did!
by FireBrianSabean on Jun 16, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He did go to Bellarmine.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't Greg Louganis go to Bellarmine as well
Take the dive like Greg Luganis bend over and grab …….
by joe t on Jun 16, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way, in case anyone gets the wrong idea
that’s from an old Lamont and Tonelli skit
by joe t on Jun 16, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KSJO right?
and I went to Bellarmine’s rival school
by Giant Voodoo on Jun 17, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where? I always considered the whole catholic league to be rivals with every team in the conference.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Jun 17, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
go bells!
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Jun 16, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as bad as having gone to Serra, but yes.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to the parents of Father Junipero.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jun 16, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you tell he’s a baseball player? Look at the color of his face compared to the color of his legs.
by deuce deuce on Jun 16, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a few friends from college who went to high school with him, and the consensus is that he is pretty douchey. Goober, was a common adjective used as well.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You rarely hear those two adjectives used together however.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But is he a bigger douche than Brian Wilson?
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. That cannot be.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I didn’t think so. Brian Wilson might be the biggest douche on the planet.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was this guy, last name Bonds...
was a Grade-A douche. I thought we are beyond personalities at this point. They are all douchey, PED-gobbling cheaters. If he can play, he can play.
And yes I know: BLB > (Frandsen)^100
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jun 16, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one cares he’s douchey, it’s just a fact. And Bonds wasn’t a douche, he was Jesus, which is why they persecuted him.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's funny
is that in some alternate universe… or perhaps, THE FUTURE! Frandsen is like some Eckstein II what with his competitive fire and scrappy ‘tude. Oh, and he’s white.
He is 6’ tall and kinda skinny… maybe GINTS BRASS!!!@ has it’s own body bias…
But in summary. Frandsen got screwed when Burriss hit an empty .280 at the end of last year, cementing his right to the 2B starting job.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And you’re also forgetting Manny’s AMAZIN ST stats. I just can’t see how the Giants ever looked at Burriss and his track record and came away with “Yup, starting second basemen.” In order for him to make it, he’s going to have to play crazy Mark Ellis defense on acid.
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this post.
Also, even when Manny was ON FIYAHHH, I think his high point for OPS+ was like 78 or 80 or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can someone (cough Xanthan cough)
explain why ZIPS (even the in season update) treats Frandsen like he raped ZIPS’ dog and kicked ZIPS’ wife? Someone suggested that it’s because he missed 2008 but I am not sure.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m blanking, but does ZiPS do minor league data? I didn’t think it did. But it might. I know CHONE and Oliver both do.
Preseason wRAA projections for both:
CHONE – +2.2 runs
Oliver – +0 runs
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU BEAT ME TO THAT QUESTION BECAUSE YOU ARE HIGHER IN THE THREAD
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought ZIPS used minor numbers
Obviously if it doesn’t it’s stupid to reference it in this case.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*It. I think it might.
I DONT KNOW ANYMORE
Most of the pre-season projection systems are calling Frandsen a league average hitter, give or take a few runs.
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure ZIPS is ML only.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 16, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZIPs definitely does projections for minor leaguers w/ no major league experience, I don’t think it’s ML only.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well crap
One of the projection systems is.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 16, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, looks like it does do ML data, but I can’t find anything solid on it online.
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct. Somewhere on BTF there’s a ZiPS primer.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND
(Sorry if the link doesn’t work… I’ve never used google docs before.)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
by baetown415 on Jun 16, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is ZiPS the one that doesn’t use minor league stats? Because just going off his major league career, it’d be pretty understandable, I think.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
marcel doesn't use MiL stats
Oliver adds them to marcel.
Zips HAS to use minor league stats! It has projections for guys like Madison Bumgarner!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZiPS was developed by Sabean and he puts it out every year," hmm lets see….he will hit two sev……no… fifty and slug lets say…"
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what’s weird? Before 2008, ZiPS projected Frandsen to hit .271/.322/.367. A year later, after he’d done nothing all year but rehab, his projection improved to .269/.325/.370. And now that he’s spent a couple more months raking at AAA, he’s down to .231/.294/.312.
So the hell with ZiPS. And its dog.
by Evan on Jun 16, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
year older
and under 28.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, Evan!!!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good question. I was going to post on the 2009 BBTF thread… but I looked
and his projection is .269/.335/.370. Which is “not good” to be sure, but I am not sure why you think it should be much better.
His current Fresno line, translated is .288/.313/.402… which is basically bang spot on for 200 PAs.
I hate to break this to you guys, but PCL/Fresno …uh… kinda inflates hitting stats somewhat. a bit. You know.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to break this to you guys, but PCL/Fresno …uh… kinda inflates hitting stats somewhat. a bit. You know.
Surely you jest.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I didn’t want to make a big deal about it…. I know, sometimes minor leagues can get a little sensitive about that kind of thing.
A little ointment and it should clear right up in a couple weeks.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And stop calling him Shirley.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to break this to you guys, but PCL/Fresno …uh… kinda inflates hitting stats somewhat. a bit. You know.
My monocle just shot out of my eye!
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
.jpg)
it is long past time to give Frandsen a shot
he will almost certainly fail and the Giants will have time to trade for a 2B before the deadline
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 16, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ding Ding Ding
Spent most of the year as a reserve player for the Giants in ’07, hitting miserably until getting hot when he received regular at-bats toward the end of the season (emphasis added)
The Giants need to have a bit more healthy skepticism of young players who rake the ball at the major league level in the final month of the season, as Frandsen did in ‘07 and Burriss and Sandoval did in ’08. September callups often play above their true ability due to the 40-man roster, playoff-bound teams resting some starters and bad teams already being mentally checked out. Only Sandoval has shown he’s the real deal, and lest we all forget., he had a pretty miserable April.
Which is to say that Burriss needs more seasoning in AAA and Frandsen will almost certainly not be the second coming of Jeff Kent or even Ray Durham, even if he plays every day for the next three months. But he certainly deserves a chance.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
by Kitspool on Jun 16, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sandoval's April
He started off pretty badly, but he ended the month at .307/.350/.440 and played decently at third. Those are MVP numbers for this team.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 16, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your characterization of Burriss as raking the ball in the last month of the season isn’t really accurate. He only had about 25 at bats in September of last year and didn’t do much in them. He had solid months in June and August, but at no point did his OPS break .800 even for a month. He also never hit more than 3 extra base hits in a month last year.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 16, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My suspicion with Burriss is that their player analysis fail had more to do with, “Ooh! He had a .283 batting average last year, and a strong spring training! Why, that must mean that he’s good!”
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 16, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope their player analysis was a bit more refined than that, but you’re probably right.
I realized after posting that “rake the ball” was a poor way to describe Burriss’ play at the end of 2008. Still, if you compare Burriss’ ML numbers in 2008 (240 ABs, .686 OPS) versus Frandsen’s ML numbers in 2007 (264 ABs, .710 OPS)—the only two times that each has a large enough sample size of ABs to evaluate—they’re not radically different. Burriss gets on base more, Frandsen hits for more power.
And yes, Frandsen has far more impressive and substantial minor league numbers to back him up. And yes, he should have started the season here instead of in Fresno. I just feel lately like people on the site are acting as if Frandsen will be this massive improvement over Burriss, and I doubt he will be. (And I like the guy, just as I like Burriss.) But it would be nice to find out.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
by Kitspool on Jun 16, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think Frandsen would be a massive improvement over Burriss at 2B. Again, nothing in his resume suggests he’d be anything less than league average, and there is reasonable hope he’d be something better. He absolutely got screwed this spring; moving a light-hitting SS to 2B is, I guess, the other shoe falling in the whole Sabean System of Player Allocation: first you Bocock someone, then you Frandsen someone else. Each move screws up your roster. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how either of these moves made any sense whatsoever. None. Nada.
And here’s the great thing: we can substantially improve our offense by making this one roster move – and it doesn’t cost us a darn thing! No risky trades for Uggla or whomever else, with the traded-away Sanchez becoming the next Joe Nathan. No expensive FA signing this winter, further limiting our flexibility in roster construction. We have a solution in-house; now we can focus our intention on improving the other areas of the team for which we have no solutions.
This seems so patently obvious, I am re-convinced that Emperor Brian has no clothes.
Living out-of-market, I’ve never heard Kevin speak, so perhaps my impression of him is different; I don’t see anything he’s done that makes me dislike him.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone made the point last year [I don’t remember who, or where] that it’s often difficult for young players to find that fine line between over exposure and “there’s that jerk that won’t talk to the media.”
by Merope on Jun 16, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With new 3A team here in Reno, my absolute favorite week this year was when the Grizzlies came town. Attended “the sweep” and got the chance to talk (maybe yell back and forth is a better description) with a few of the guys. Our seats are right past the first base dugout, and it gives us a chance to talk with the visiting team.
Frandsen performed well through the series. He went eight for sixteen, with three doubles, one HR, six RBI, and two walks. Each game myself and many other Giants/Grizzlies fans in our section asked him when he would be going up. He took it very well, was calm about it, and stated, “whenever they need me”. He knew he was tearing it up, and was patiently waiting for the call. Until last week.
I have to agree with Lyle here. Why not take the chance ? It does not cost anything, and realistically it could not be much worse than what is going on now. Time to find out if he can play at this level or not. All indications are that he should be a League average player. On this club, that could mean a starter. He is versatile, has proven albeit a small sample size, that he can hit at this level, and could at the very least, be a valuable bench player. I am on the Frandsen bandwagon.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He must check the box score every day and break things when he sees another 0-4 for Burriss.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but I think that is evened out by teams that are fighting for a playoff spot and are only playing games that matter. Like you said, Pablo raked it last year. And even the biggest optimists among us still thought his stats would drop a bit. Look at Pablo now, he is learning how to take walks and he’s slugging at a rate that has helped the entire Giants Nation sleep at night. Frandsen earned the first 200 AB’s this year based on the strides he made in ’07.
The bottom line is we need production from 2B. I don’t really mind if we make a trade or give Frandsen a fair crack, but it needs to happen soon.
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
by BawLa on Jun 16, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the funny thing is that Frandsen seems to fit the gamertastic mold the team says they like so much. go figure.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 16, 2009 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
burris gotta go
This is beyond me
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is how I roll
I don’t know why, but some criticized me for saying Frandsen should be the current everyday 2B a month or so ago. WHAT NOW HUH?!
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NATTO WAS RIGHT
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 16, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to know the backstory of this gif
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BACKSTORY
Dogs. Not so bright. At least when it comes to recognizing constant velocity moving platforms as actually moving.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly that is a stunt dog.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember how I felt the first time I saw that.
I cried great tears…of mirth!
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jun 16, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
two great gifs in one day, this one, and the one of pablo running the bases
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fucking idiot dog...
now I feel bad for it :0(
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, poor puppy
It’s not his fault he’s dumb. I’ve always wondered that about dogs, do they know not to jump out of the car? Apparently, some don’t.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the last time you put this up and I chuckled uncontrollably for a few minutes as I am now. Given the subject matter, I feel bad for doing so, but can’t stop laughing. What’s wrong with me?
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jun 16, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sweet jesus I can’t stop laughing even though that poor dog probably got seriously injured or died from doing this. :(
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laugh all you want
Both dogs were apparently fine.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heartily laughed at this at least 5 times
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 16, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow according to fangraphs Burriss should be paying the Giants $3.7 million for his negative contributions so far this season. I guess I would have to pay a Zitonian amount of money to start a full season for the Giants.
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 16, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WE WANT A YOUTH MOVEMENT!!
That is, unless the youth sucks. Then, by all means, play the guy who’s 4 years older.
by FireBrianSabean on Jun 16, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you buried the lead: just fire Brian Sabean.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure why Rios is on this list. He got a good amount of playing time – over 800 plate appearances. And wasn’t he pretty close to a regular in his last season before he got traded?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 16, 2009 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
because we think
we could get him for Lincecum.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was, and then he went to the Pirates with Vogelsong in the Schmidt trade, and the very next day he destroyed his knee and his career was done. Poor Rios. LOL Pirates.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's 'bout to get Uggla in here
Only logical choice since he plays 2B, has PoP and he plays for the Marlins (meaning he was going to be traded sooner or later). Maybe Marlins will only ask for Sanchez and a Klondike Bar?
Get it done, Giants Brasssssssssssssss.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 16, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We, the McCoven, seem to be a bit schizophrenic about Sanchez. We underestimate his value compared to other fifth starters, and we overestimate his value as trade bait.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 16, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In order to form a more perfect union…
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not any better than Billy Sadler! Let’s trade him for an All Star second baseman!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT HE STRUCK OUT MANNY!
/punches air over head
w00t!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 16, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why the Klondike Bar is a throw in, enjoy a young lefty with some ice cream! It gets pretty hot in South Florida you know…
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 16, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make it an Its-Its…mmmmm
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmmmm
My family sends me It’s-Its. They will ship them in dry ice. Also, the shipping is much more expensive than the It’s-Its.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of Giant fans think opposing general managers pay as much attention to what the Giants actually do on a day-to-day basis as they do at ESPN.
Since the Giants are desperate for offense, and they have pitching prospects that are MUCH more valuable than Sanchez, why would any team give up what the Giants desperately need for Sanchez?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 16, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too late to point out that Kevin Correa is outperforming Jonathan Sanchez? And so is Matt Palmer. True Sanchez probably a few better peripherals, but I consider WHIP and BB/9 to be pretty important and Sanchez is awful in those areas.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHIP is meaningless...
it’s a fantasy stat.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the amount of base runners a pitcher allows per IP is meaningless?
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in terms of telling you about pitcher performance?
pretty much.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What valuable info does WHIP convey
Does it tell you anything that ERA or even better FIP/tRA doesn’t? No. It’s just 2 components added together divided by innings without context or stratifying by hit type.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not any kind of definitive evaluation tool, but I kind of look at it as a quick thumbnail on how dominating a pitcher has been… lots of runners = not so dominant.
It’s also possible to quickly estimate it mentally using the stats that are commonly used in TV graphics – try doing that with your fancy FIP/tRA.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2009 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
evaluating pitching
http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/29/evaluating-pitcher-talent/
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a good indicator towards those other peripherals you are alluding to. If someone’s WHIP is higher than usual, I can go look at his FIP/tRA etc and other figures and see what’s up.
Take a look at Roy Oswalt for instance, granted it’s a smaller sample of his season so far, but he has the highest WHIP in his career. Also he has the highest ERA of his career this year. His K/9 is down from last year, HR/9 is the highest of his career, yet his BABIP and LOB %‘s are around his career norms yet his FIP this year is MUCH higher than it has ever been before. His previous high was last year, which shows an actual regression in his ability to be as effective as he was in the past. He’s still a good pitcher but the days of a dominant Roy Oswalt may be ending. His FB/GB ratio is off to his previous career levels as well.
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt' it just OOBP?
Don’t be mockin’ the OBP, son. Even the reverso-OBP.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not meaningless. It just correlates less with actual performance than other stats.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
worse than many stats
is meaningless
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know that’s not entirely true, AND BESIDES I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FOR MY FANTASY LEAGUE.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Prince of Persia. I’m glad he has it.
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could not agree more
Frandsen is getting majorly jerked around. One thing I don’t really understand is that everyone accepts that Spring Training stats are basically meaningless but still they’re regularly used to determine who makes the club.
Name the day and I’ll gladly protest at 24 McCovey Plaza.
by Change Up on Jun 16, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“And the Frandvestites are out here in large numbers today at AT&T Park”
by xanthan on Jun 16, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Now they’re being joined by the Romosexuals.”
Anagram of "knowing how to win" = WOW, I KNOW NOTHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 16, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Now Bocock has just come out of the dugout, wearing his merkin.”
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 16, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Meanwhile, a lone, silent protester is standing off to the side, holding up a sign that reads, ‘Giants are Holmophobic.’”
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 16, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALL BABIES WANT TO BE BORNED
Anagram of "knowing how to win" = WOW, I KNOW NOTHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 16, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! An innocent bystander’s bum has been garned! This Romosexual / Fransvestite protest has erupted into an orgy of violence!”
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 16, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Randy Unit is showing everyone his Whiteside!”
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 16, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“and violence has broken out here. I tappears that the Romosexuals are beating off the Franvestites”
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oy Vey
It’s tough to eat lunch and read the last few posts
by GeeEssDub on Jun 16, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Burris was a mistake...
clearly. I actually like his defense and believe it’s more in line with his UZR from 08 rather than 09. Nonethless, it’s really hard to be a ML regular when you have less power than Juan Pierre.
Burris to me profiles as a solid bench player that is maybe worth 200 AB’s a year
I’m not a huge Frandsen guy, but it’s always been clear he deserved the starting nod this year
by NeifiChicken on Jun 16, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just reading leftys blog, he makes a good point
Franny can’t come up because he just went down, one more week of Burris at the least.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it's almost as if
THIS FRONT OFFICE HAS NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa whoa whoa
I’m gonna need to see a little more evidence of that before I can say your bold and stunning hypothesis is right.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Bochy
evidence point 1.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 16, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/smoking gun
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/smokes a gun, but still is upset about SF management
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOLUTION
Eli Whiteside, starting second baseman.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
by jcb9 on Jun 16, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Nate play 2nd?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve pretty much come to terms with the fact that Frandsen is destined to leave the Giants and become the final piece of the puzzle as the super-utility player for a contender.
A super-utility player could easily start at 2B for the Giants.
Ergo, Frandsen should be starting at 2B for the Giants.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jun 16, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No “Frandsen is getting hosed” thread would be complete with WTF GIANTS BRASS WHY CAN’T WE KEEP BURRISS AT SHORTSTOP UNTIL HE PROVES HE CAN’T PLAY THERE HUH?
by Evan on Jun 16, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BUTT FRANDZEN IS ONLY HITING .071 IN THE BIGGS RICHIE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT!
I like cats.
by Norm Median on Jun 16, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say he's raking
.330/.381/.475 is pretty meh for a 27 year old in the PCL.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
I am definitely in the minority on this one. I don’t think Frandsen really deserves a shot, although I would prefer starting him over Burris.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, too...
I am not a Frandsvestite by any means, but would prefer him over Burriss in the same manner that I would prefer a store-bought gravy from a jar on top of my mashed potatoes rather than butt relish.
A buttney, I guess that would be.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 16, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Butt Relish
the new Butt Pee
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 16, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in favor of Uribe starting at second until we trade for a new 2nd basemen
by superk1ng on Jun 16, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valdez + sweeteners for Johnson. Pablo to 3B. Uribe to 2nd.
DO IT
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be the heaviest infield ever
by superk1ng on Jun 16, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heaviest Infield Ever ?
1B-Prince Fielder
2B-Juan Uribe
3B-Pablo Sandoval
SS-Miguel Cabrera
C-Bengie Molina
P-CC Sabathia
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With...
Andruw Jones, Adam Dunn and Jack Cust in the outfield?
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jun 17, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im on board
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am so in. We could potentially get a Merkin-level player from the draft pick we’d get from offering Johnson arb.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Jun 16, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Merkin is like our 4th reliever, arguably our fifth. He’s replaceable. He’s got some potential, but still not as much as Wilson or Romo (or Sanchez), so it wouldn’t really hurt us in the long term that much either. I’m not sure what we’ll to add for the Nationals to do it, though. Valdez, Snyder, and Quirarte for Johnson.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was supposed to end with a question mark.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would you do
Johnson & Ishi? I’d have to think about it.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 16, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Johnson Valdez & Ishi for Johnson?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 16, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely. Ishikawa sucked for a long while, then had a good season, now he’s sucking again.
Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.
:-(
by Cookyman on Jun 17, 2009 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT SCOTT!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 16, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I think every Giants blog in the blogosphere decided to publish an “I hate Burris” story today.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank god this is finally being discussed
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no shit
Somewhere, Fred Lewis is sitting on a bench – looking at Burriss’ stats, and saying “And you declared LF an open competition?”
by FairweatherFan on Jun 16, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could just get jponry on the Frandsen bandwagon, and off of Lewis’s, I think we could turn the tide.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I’m on both bandwagons. Though I agree w/ kenshin et all that Frandsen probably wouldn’t be a big enough upgrade to fix the problem.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I hoping he gets the opportunity to prove himself to you and the good doctor.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 17, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grammar fail
“I’M hoping”…
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 17, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s the new Velez!
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jun 16, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh. I forgot about Velez. Thanks WVL
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are other Giants blogs out there? How cute!
by Grant on Jun 16, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
for that comment...
I am cutting you out of my Giants blogger amazon kindle profit sharing scheme.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burriss is like a really really really poor man’s Utley!
The San Francisco Giants: Where old men go to die.
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He is King Midas’ Jose Castillo.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your opinion and wish to subscribe to your website.
Heh…logging in I typed “Victor Frand” before I caught myself.
Five years…wow.
Is this like the Aurilia mess , where if he contributes in some occasional minor way you tack on another year to his contract?
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Jun 16, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Burris Optioned per Hank
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/index?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 16, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally!
Looking forward to seeing Downs.
Not so pleased about designating Holm but w/e.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Downs syndrome, catch it.
Thoughts…
1) Downs likely has faced O’Sully before.
2) Thanks for the memories, Holm(s).
3) Burris, please don’t shoot self in thigh.
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 16, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Downs is going to be any good, mind you, but I’m always excited to see someone new.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
h8r!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t think Downs is going to be any good, mind you, but I’m always excited to see someone new.
Don’t hate JP. Being totally unbiased, I hope he tears it up.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
No, no; I’m accusing her of being a Downs hater.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Just a reply fail on my part. I was so excited, I forgot how to post.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Lewis
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is someone who betrayed my trust and love?
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get why Holm is being designated while Bocock is still on the 40-man.
Oh well.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because after being demoted to Augusta in July, Bocock will be bococked back to SF in September when Rentawreck goes on the DL.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone think there's any level he could hit at right now?
Maybe the Dominican Summer League?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe high school. Maybe.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked terrible in SJ in the game I saw
which was the night before he hit his home run.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only the Giants
could make an obvious move like optioning burriss (gotta go) seem somewhat fishing and questionable:
and purchased the contract of 25-year-old infielder Matt Downs, who just took a terrific round of batting practice.
Wow, a terrific round of BP! CALL HIM UP!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PUT ON A SHOW
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was already called up when he did the BP
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I’m not sure I understand the Downs thing, although I guess since they couldn’t call up Frandsen it had to be someone. Their planning in general is pretty fucking suspect here, as usual.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, when did Frandsen get sent back down?
5 days ago? And those 5 days are the straw that broke the camel’s back on Burriss?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+E4
I was thinking the same thing.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jun 16, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Botchy says
For now, Downs is the everyday second baseman.
He’s the new executive vice president!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In “Bochy” speak that means five days.
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Downs Goes Hitless
Greyhound holds 11PM bus to Fresno pending next roster shakeup
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MATT DOWNS! MATT DOOWWWNNNSSSS!!!!!!!!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im surprised to hear this
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am surprised and happy to hear this :-)
↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓↓
"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet mercy
My son…I’m sorry you were never given a fair shot. Just too many good catchers on this team and its farm clubs.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 16, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One father is happy, while another father is sad. Such is the cycle of life.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 17, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Holm!
:(
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's lineup
Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Winn LF
Molina C
Sandoval 1B
Aurilia 3B
Schierholtz RF
Downs 2B
Sanchez P
Richie got a hit last night! He’s hot!
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can certainly hit cleanup.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Aurilia still hitting ahead of Schierholtz? And will Fred ever start again?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better Goatee and Let’s hope not.
Original member of the Van Buren Boys
by NuschlerFace on Jun 16, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This lineup is so full of fail.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked up Downs on the Baseball Cube and for some reason it brings me to his pitching stats page instead of hitting. Weird. Also, from the comments on that SF Gate page:
I’m OK with sending down Burriss only as long as we get Vélez back!
…
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what happens when you give Eugenio access to the internet
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 16, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I strongly...
discourage anyone from reading news paper associated blog comments lest they contract stupid.
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be the #1 most stupid comment I’ve ever read from SFgate.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
That comment might not even be tied for 10,000th place. The SF Gate comments section is a frozen Antarctic tundra of dumb.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
by Kitspool on Jun 16, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the implication here is that 1) they don’t think Burriss deserves to be sent down and 2) getting Velez back is the only situation in which sending Burriss down makes sense. That’s pretty fucking stupid.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree it’s fucking stupid. I’m just saying that compared to the standard level of discourse on SFGate comments, it’s cogent and insightful.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
by Kitspool on Jun 16, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I was hyperbolizing a bit.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is a perfectly cromulent thing to do.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least they
are talking about actual players on the giants who are not currently injured.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just lost your keyboard priveliges
The artist formerly known as Set-up man
by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i chose to believe sarchasm
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not on SFGate, sadly
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy is a troll who makes fun of Giants fans. He’s very much making fun of how bad Velez is. He went on and on during the offseason about how Cain should be traded for scraps because he doesn’t know how to win.
The #1 greatest threat to America: BEARS
by norcalnick on Jun 16, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy Theory
The BRASS is paying Grant to torch Burriss on this blog in order to prevent fan backlash when making these kinds of moves.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I WANT TO BELIEVE
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 16, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy Theory
The BRASS is paying Grant to torch Burriss on this blog in order to prevent fan backlash when making these kinds of moves.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 16, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to Grant's "The Rich Aurilia Dilemma" article
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to Grant's "Send Posey to Connecticut" article
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Send Posey to Connecticut Fresburg " article
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jun 16, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to Grant’s “Send Posey to Connecticut Fresburg San Francisco” article
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 16, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knee-jerk reactionaries!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knee-jerk to Stan Conte’s crotch
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 16, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all knew that Giants Magazine deal made Grant a corrupt pawn of The Man.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
by groug on Jun 16, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nvsfg and I are ecstatic!
Matt Downs! Matt Downs! All hail the conquering hero! Look at his works and be dismayed, ye Angelenos.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uggla just GIDP
He is practically a Giant already.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2009 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Was it on the first pitch?
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jun 16, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
And no one was on base.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Jun 17, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Burriss actual 2009 wOBA 259
Matt Downs Oliver wOBA projection- 337
Matt Downs ZIPS-317
Kevin Frandsen Oliver 325
Kevin Frandsen ZIPS 274
Flossing a dead horse
by kenshin1 on Jun 16, 2009 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Downs hit a HR...
Frandsen might never see AT&T as a Giant ever again…
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 16, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Downs hit a HR, would it be our first HR from 2B this year?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe played four games at 2B. Does that count?
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he hit a HR while he was playing 2B?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That I could live with. But keeping him in AAA while Burriss played this badly was totally wrong.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure
that Kevin Frandsen’s personal bad luck karma is driving all of baseball, if not the entire world.
So, in that case, I predict that Downs comes up and hits .300/.330/.400 for the season and Frandsen never plays in a Giants uniform again.
As to whether he plays in MLB… that’s a tough question. Comes down to which is the dominant Karmic force in the Universe:
- “Screw Kevin Frandsen’s MLB career”
or - “Ironically torture the Giants by having former farm hand knock them out of the playoffs in the future”
I’m going with the second one.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That does seem the more likely choice.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt "Eastbound and" Downs
Sorry.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
by Kitspool on Jun 16, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I've got Downsyndrome!
I like cats.
by Norm Median on Jun 16, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Matt Downs were to choose the Beatles’ “Life Goes On” as his at-bat walk-up music, it would be the Greatest Thing Ever.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
by Kitspool on Jun 16, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't ever apologize for making an Eastbound and Down reference--even if it's forced.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
by Juan Primo on Jun 16, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did lewis and aurilia not fit on the bus to fresno?
by baybruin415 on Jun 16, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They would be on a bus going home, not Fresno.
Judgment Day is coming
comics | art | Nattowear
by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how Lewis is in the same category as Aurilia now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes me angry.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 16, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KFerd!!!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Jun 16, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my. It’s like SFGate!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich should be on it
Fred’s still the 4th best hitter on this team.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 16, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
negative value as a hitter, awesome he is…
by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs