Giants All-Stars
by lincecumania on Jun 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT
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So I was thinking about this today, and as of now, I would say the Giants could have three participants in the all-star game.
Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum are shoe-ins at this point. But Bengie could actually sneak in as a back-up catcher. He is fifth in voting behind his brother Yadier, McCann, Kendall, and Ruiz. However, McCann and Ruiz are not even statisically qualified based on playing time as of right now.
Nonetheless, Bengie is1st in HR's and RBI's for a catcher (qualified or unqualified), and 2nd for BA and OPS (qualified). I think his competition is McCann at this point.
What does everyone think?
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Bengie has none chance to make it. NL Catchers will probably be Yadier (voted in), McCann backing him up and maybe I-Rod as a third catcher.
I think Pablo and maybe Rowand might have a better chance than Bengie.
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Does pablo qaulify as a 1st or 3rd baseman?
Cause he has no chance at either of those positions.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 15, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain and Lincecum.
Wilson has the next best chance because of “saves”.
I would love to see Pablo make it at 3rd, but he will get knocked out due to the numbers game, since every team needs at least 1 participant. So that means Zimmerman or Wright or some one else will get in there.
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Pablo won’t make it, but I really want him to. Zimmerman and Wright are both going to make it, Chipper Jones is deservingly in 3rd, and he’s also behind freaking Bill Hall and Pedro Fucking Feliz in the online all-star-vote-for-only-people-on-your-team-because-that’s-totally-what-the-all-star-game-is-for voting.
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I like Pablo and I want all our guys to be in the ASG
But he’s roughly the 6th most valuable 3B. Not counting defense. In the NL.
He would, however, be an All-star catcher, even if his defense was Piazza-esque.
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Where the hell are you getting those stats?
He’s hitting .332 with 8HR, how is he only 6th?
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EQA/EQR from baseball prospectus.
fangraphs (wOBA/wRAA) has him ahead of Zimmerman in wOBA (rate) but behind on runs.
Wonder why EQR likes Blake so much?
Pablo: wOBA .390 wRAA 11.8 237 PA
Blake: wOBA .380 wRAA 9.6 231 PA
(Zim has >280 PAs which is why he’s ahead of these too… he would be MORE ahead if you measure from replacement value, instead of average)
Both Zim and Blake have better EQA than Pablo (.312 : .310 : .306, but all are higher than Reynolds…)
VORP ranks them: Wright, Zimm, Reynolds, Sandoval, Blake…
So weird stuff.
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This was about what I was gonna say. We have a couple weeks to go but unless something changes Wilson will make it cuz of saves and Caincecum will make it because of being two of the five best pitchers in the league so far.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 15, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Despite the saves
Wilson has actually been pitching well.
3.01 FIP this season. I’m happy with that.
by FairweatherFan on Jun 15, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Kendall's third?
lol sub-.600 OPS
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I don’t think our position players have much of a chance. Cain and Lincecum will probably make it, assuming they continue doing what they’re doing.
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we're all rooting for the NL to win this thing, right?
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Is there a place to see voting numbers? I’m wondering if Sandoval has any sort of shot at 3rd.
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Sandoval is not in the top 5 in voting at 3B. Top 5 is : Wright, Zimmerman, Chipper Jones, Pedro Feliz, Bill Hall.
Also, all the Phillies starting 8 are in the top 5 or 15 at their respective positions. go ballot stuffing!
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you can’t really argue some of their starters being so high. But Jimmy Rollins leading SS voting is just pathetic. Poor Hanley. :(
the key word in that phrase is some. not all. it is really ridiculous
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I still have a copy of the 2007 All Star game balloting results. Giants fans stuffed the box that year. Every Giant was in the top 8 (top 24 for OFers). Rich Aurilia got 584,651 votes that year. Dave Roberts got 549,960.
That's a little more understandable
when you consider the ASG was in SF that year, and also that the Giants were running a huge campaign to get Barry on the team. All of the non-diehard Giants fans were probably voting for Barry and didn’t really care who else they voted for, so they probably just filled the ballot with Giants. It’s a little more understandable than Brewers, Mets, and Phillies fans stuffing the ballot with their own players every year just because.
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I checked yesterday and he’s not even in the top 5 in voting. The Brewers fans are rabid in their voting support though, even for the crappiest of their players.
agreed. Pablo should be 3rd, behind Wright and Zimmerman, realistically
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
3rd in the division maybe
being out hit by Mark Reynolds and Casey Blake.
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Brewers fans are idiots. I’m sorry, but Jason Kendall is bad, Bill Hall is bad, JJ Hardy has been playing badly, and Rickie Weeks is/has been injured and out for the year. Seriously wtf?
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not just brewers fans. Cardinals fans and Phillies fans are just as bad
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It was like that last year too. Things will even out once we get closer to the ASG.
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Tim Lincycum and Matt Cain.
Wish MLB would devote the week to baseball. A good midseason mini vacation for the players who were not selected to the All-Stars. A good midseason showcase of all the baseball talent. Minor leagues could showcase their talent. A roving HOF exhibit.
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Lincecum, Cain and Pablo. Somehow I think (or rather hope) Pablo will make it, as he should.
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If he is leading the league in hitting at the ASB, maybe. If not, no.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 15, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think his positional flexibility helps him, as he can be named to the team at C, 1B, or 3B for his overall stats.
I bet he makes it.
Also, it should be 4 – Lincecum, Cain, Panda, and Bowker, IF THEY WOULD ONLY MAKE THE CALL FOR BOWKERMANIA
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Realistically, I think we have Lincecum + Cain in and MAYBE Wilson, just because of the # of saves he has.
by i wish we were good on Jun 15, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions
that is silly...
and wrong. Lincecum has been a MUCH better pitcher than Cain this year.
Flossing a dead horse
This discussion is silly and wrong because both should make it, but I am silly and wrong because I choose cain
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
yes...
whether Cain should make it depends how much you believe ERA is reflective of pitcher value. Cain’s defense independent numbers are not particularly good this year.
Flossing a dead horse
What about emotional attachment? Can your fancy number calculations track that?
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emotional attachment...
is for loser artists. Why don’t you go draw you “feelings”.
Flossing a dead horse
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by Natto on Jun 15, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“whether Cain should make it depends how much you believe ERA is reflective of pitcher value. Cain’s defense independent numbers are not particularly good this year.”
Well if you want to put it like that, I counter with this: whether LIncecum should make it over Cain depends on how much you believe statistics attempting to measure pitching performance independent of fielding is reflective of how much a pitcher contributed to his team winning.
I choose Cain!
by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I personally think that, for predictive purposes, you can use stuff like FIP, but to put value on how a pitcher has actually done in a given season and how much value he’s been worth, RA or ERA makes more sense. I mean, maybe hypothetically, Cain should have a 4.00 ERA, but, well, to this point, he doesn’t. Maybe you expect him to regress the rest of the year but to this point, he’s been a 2.33 ERA pitcher and I think you have to give him credit for that
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
“Maybe you expect him to regress the rest of the year but to this point, he’s been a 2.33 ERA pitcher and I think you have to give him credit for that”
Thank you. A lot of people are way too focused on what should have happened as opposed to what did happen. Just gonna leave it at that instead of going into a rant about the statistical issues with trying to use something like FIP in this case…
by Missing Barry on Jun 16, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re wrong. There is no WRONG answer since they are both Giants. I choose Cain because he is tied for the league lead in wins and is 3rd in ERA. Lincecum is right behind him in ERA. But typically for the AS game, the pitchers with the most wins make it, and typically get to start the all-star game. Plus given all the the shit that has happened to Cain over the past 2 years, I would take great joy in seeing him make his first all-star team, and especially getting to start the game.
Lincecum, because he’s better and cooler.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2009 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yawn
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Lincecum and Cain, lets not get greedy. Maybe Pablo if he continues to tear it up.
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pablo wont make it
just because he has people like Pujols, Howard, Gonzalez, Fielder in front of him. he might have a chance at third base, and would defnetly be deserving at catcher
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I prefer PAbloto not make it
should make him easier to sign out his arb years for cheaper. Once he signs for awhile THEN he can make it.
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lincecum and cain and pray for rain, and pablo sandoval, that is all. Rowand sux, Bengie just ain’t gonna make it, and its just as well he will need a rest. Peripherals, schmiferals.
its an allstar game people want to see the freakp
peeps want to see lincy, and cain deserves it, and pablomania is tearing up the N.L.
The league can’t do anything about it if Manny gets voted in as a starter.
by Missing Barry on Jun 17, 2009 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm curious
Why do you usually break up comments like this instead of collecting your thoughts into one?
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