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We need a bat, but who?


As we all know, the Giants are at the moment first in the Wild Card standings and have arguably the best pitching staff in baseball. But that's not enough to make the rest of America believers. To do that, the Giants need a bat,  and they need one BAD. The Giants rank 28th in runs scored and dead last in home runs. Alot of names have been thrown around lately as possible trade targets for the Giants, but no one seems to agree on who would be the right choice. So, lets settle this democratically. Who do you think the Giants should go after at the trade deadline? If you don't see who you want on the poll, leave some comments.

Poll
Who should the Giants trade for?
Matt Holliday
61 votes
Mark DeRosa
25 votes
Nick Johnson
48 votes
Jorge Cantu
15 votes
Dan Uggla
68 votes
Adrian Beltre
19 votes
Aubrey Huff
16 votes
Other
37 votes
Nobody- they can contend with what they have
37 votes

326 votes | Poll has closed

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by Useful_Idiot on Jun 15, 2009 12:38 PM PDT reply actions  

ERROR

there was no “all of the above” option.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 15, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Barry Lamar Bonds

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

"I'm not retired!"

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Moar pleese.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jun 15, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mohr please

As in Dusitin Mohr!

Proud father of Dallas Mcpherson, the Babe Ruth of AAA.

by The Thrill on Jun 15, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

MOHR INSYDE THE PARK DINGERZ PLEEZE!

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Barry Bonds is the Answer. Pablo 3rd and Bonds 4th? They’d have to throw Pablo strikes, and that would be bad news for them.

Keeping on SWOOPing in the free world! Also, by the reflexive property of the rubber/glue playground comeback, I enjoy wearing hats on my ass.

by SneakToBetterSeats on Jun 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brian Bocock and Steve Hammond for Uggla!

by Natto on Jun 15, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hinshaw for Uggla, straight up!

by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

if you really wanna buy low

Trade for JJ Hardy. He’s due big time.

by superk1ng on Jun 15, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

and I know we have Renteria, but fuck that guy. He can’t field! You can’t say that about Hardy http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/charts/leaders1-0608.gif

by superk1ng on Jun 15, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?

by victor frankenstein on Jun 15, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

the heat is getting to this poster

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

These are almost as good as Josh from Hollywood’s lolsabeans.

Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.

by oldjacket on Jun 15, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

His declining contact rates are worrisome.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

His K rate is actually way down from last year, and with no loss in line-drive or fly-ball rates. I’m not a fan but he looks due for a serious hot streak.

by Evan on Jun 15, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

and then can move Edgardo over to 2b

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa, good call. And his BABIP is a criminally low .233. Maybe it wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

K rate down, BB rate up, LD rate constant, BABIP down 65 points from his career numbers.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.

by marcello on Jun 15, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now

His defense has been awful, but looking over the past 4 years, he’s probably a true talent -10 < x < 0 fielder, which is acceptable.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.

by marcello on Jun 15, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just bought him low in fantasy baseball last week

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, he ain’t got no aliba. He Uggla.

by biff pocoroba on Jun 15, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uh huh, uh huh.

Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!

by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jermaine Dye

ChiSox GM Kenny Williams like to deal. A big bat like that of 35yr old Dye in the middle of the Giants batting order could be very beneficial. Dye is due $11.5M this season (so about $8M still due) and a $12M mutual option for 2010 with a $1M buyout. The monies may not be a problem however since Sabean had mentioned before that SF could possibly take on a contract later this summer.

Dye is an experienced corner OFer with good defense, strong arm and quality bat. He has both playoff and World Series experience. He is a RHH which should play well at Mays Field. If either the Giants or Dye decline the 2010 option there is a very good probability that Dye would be a Type A free agent and the Giants could possibly receive some compensation.

What would Williams want in return? Not sure. What could the Giants offer – some pitching and prospects.

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Dye is an awful defensive outfielder at this point – going into his fifth straight year of -20 defense.

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Check out his 2006-2008 UZR/150 consistency.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.

by marcello on Jun 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow! Dye has only had ONE good defensive season in his career?

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, as far back as UZR goes, yes.

Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.

by marcello on Jun 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jermaine Dye, but I don’t want to trade for him.

by Natto on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bowkermania

Would hope SF try some inhouse solutions first. And do not see anyway where SF would carry the 3 similar players of Lewis, Schierholtz and Bowker since all are LHHs and none can play CF. One will have to go

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

What happened?

I thought we had like 40 CFers in our system!

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Jun 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

ah the quantity vs quality debate

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It suddenly seems like we’ve got neither. Bizarro Giants.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Jun 15, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well we still have Rowand, Winn and Torres.

What we don’t have in the OF is a true LF slugger. A RHH like Holliday would fit the bill nicely, but I’m more into signing him as a FA than trading for him, unless the A’s get desperate and he ends up going cheaply.

I suppose getting him this year would help the chances of re-signing him when he sees what a cool team this is and how cool we fans are.

My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman

by Goofus on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait

did you just say “big bat like that of 35yr old Dye”. He’s hitting .346/.530. While that might make him a “legitimate corner OF” with the bat… it ranks him 23rd in MLB. Just ahead of “big bat like that of 33yr old Rowand”.

Pass.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 15, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

We should have signed him instead of Moises Alou years ago, but I think the Dye ship has sailed.

by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tejada at 3B. I wouldn’t mind eating that contract if it meant we gave up a coke and a bag of chips.

by wejammin on Jun 15, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t hate this idea.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Might take a bag of coke and some chips.

"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW

by bgunn on Jun 15, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dustin Ackley does not like this deal.

Semi-proud adoptive father of Scott Barnes.

by boonitez on Jun 15, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Holliday

but realistically i can wait until the offseason when we can acquire him via cash rather than prospects.

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions  

That and we don’t have much the A’s would be interested in. They have plenty of young pitching.

by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

They’re going to have to pick an offer pretty soon unless they’re fine with getting compensatory picks for Holliday.
Who do you see coming in willing to deal top position prospects for half a year of a player?

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like Johnson, Huff or Uggla the most, depending on cost.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

JESUS AND BOWKER, PLEAZ

I like cats.

by Norm Median on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I actually like Huff the best out of these choices though I haven’t heard his name in any of the rumors/speculation/rosterbation, whatever that means. Sure, he’s an FA-to-be like Holliday, but probably easier to sign (if we want to). Uggla will cost too much, Johnson will break his femur his first week with the Giants, and the rest are all truly distasteful options.

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by i did my job on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not big on any of those guys

if we are going to “trade for a bat” I would rather get somebody who has a long term future with the team, here a few guys I would target.

Jason Donald: nobody in baseball is more blocked than a middle IF in the Phillies organization. I know the Phillies are looking for pitching, I’m not sure if they would be interested in Sanchez.

Reid Brignac: assuming Jason Bartlett comes back soon the Rays might part with Brignac, but I doubt we have anything they would want

Brandon Wood: we have talked about him enough

Howie Kendrick: he is having an atrocious year and even got sent down to the minors recently, but his track record is really solid and I think he will eventually come around. The Angels probably don’t want to sell him this low (I certainly wouldn’t if I were them)

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 1:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Bartlett is supposed to come back this week. Not a big fan of Brignac though at all. Donald is kinda like Frandsen, but he might be able to stick at 2b.

Howie Kendrick is a nice buy low kinda guy to think about though.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I also like Kendrick in a “he might not cost us MadBum” sorta way.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d love to have Kendrick on this team. What do you think the Angels would want in return?

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

They NEED relievers. Lots of ’em.

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donald is not at all like Frandsen

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re right, Frandsen might be better in that he has a true position. Donald doesn’t.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

give me a break

most people think Donald can stick at SS, and I’ve never seen anybody question his ability to be at least adequate at second base (here is one of the worst evaluations of his defense I have read). He was in both Baseball America (# 69) and Keith Law’s (# 48) top 100 prospect lists before this season. Needless to say, Kevin Frandsen has never come within a hundred miles of such a list.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

BA said this year:

A mechanical fielder, Donald grades out as a below-average SS and likely won’t be a regular at the position. He should be average at 2b, and has enough arm for third but needs more work there. At times he can be too hard on himself and takes bad at bats into the field and vice versa. He doesn’t fit as a classic 3b profile, and may fit better as a super utility player

Who does that sound like?

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

That sounds about like Kevin Frandsen defensively. Guys who aren’t quite good enough to play SS are usually good enough to play 2B or 3B. To say that Kevin Frandsen (a marginal prospect at best) is better than Jason Donald, a top 100 prospect, is like a giantsrainman-esque comment.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I said Frandsen has more of a TRUE position. He probably is a better fit at 2b then Donald. Donald has a better offensive profile. They’re one in the same to me, because they’re both likely utility infielders at best.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You still failed to show how Donald is nothing like Frandsen other then the fact that Donald was put on some top 100 lists prior to the year.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

that alone makes him nothing like Frandsen

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, just because a guy makes a top 100 prospect list doesn’t really mean all that much other then the fact that he might be closer to making the major leagues then a lot of other prospects. It says nothing of his true abilities or overall upside. Donald’s not a terrible player, I just think you are much higher on him than anyone else seems to be. Which is fine, but provide some examples for why you think that way please.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

a lot of people are very high on Donald

The fact that he made those top prospect lists means something. Baseball America and John Sickles both ranked him as the 4th best Phillies prospect and Keith Law had him 1st (I would bet heavily that Kevin Frandsen would be considerably lower if he qualified for those lists). You could dismiss that as just a bunch of lists but that tells me that a lot of people who know about this sort of thing like him as a prospect. Keith Law has said he is good enough to start for somebody right now (can’t find that link, but here is one praising him for tearing up the Arizona Fall League last fall). Other than his first 50 games at AAA this year he has been very good every year in the minors.

I would bet if you tried to make a Jason Donald Kevin Frandsen comparison to any of these people who follow prospects for a living it would be met with uproarious laughter.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frandsen was 6th on the SF list back in 07. Behind Timmy, Sanchez, Big V, Wilson and Burriss. He was cited for his big AFL, he hit .388 and for his ability to make contact, and also that he likely wouldn’t stick at SS, have the bat for 3b, and would have to play 2b. Like I said Donald has a better bat profile, but BA called his minor league career going into this year as “overachieving”.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like your thinking...

But not the players you’re targeting – except Wood (I like him just fine). I feel that we should be targeting RH power hitters that are blocked (ie. Wood and Blanks.

You should research your targets before suggesting them. Donald’s not a good choice just now.
1. He’s going to be out at least 6 weeks due to knee surgery:
 http://zozone.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/06/donald_to_have_surgery_marson.html?partnerId=rss_phi
2. He’s sucked at AAA all year long. Before the injury his line was .230/.293/.324, with 52 Ks in 226 ABs. We have a guy who plays excellent D hitting much better than that in AA right now (in a notoriously bad hitter’s park). Why would we want to block Brandon Crawford?

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brandon Crawford is miles and miles away from a sure thing. Besides, when you have multiple awesome shortstops—-one of them can like, move to another position.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

He appears to me to be as close as Donald. The big problem with Crawford (his D appears to be advanced enough to fit in the majors right now) is his hi K rate, but at least he has a high slugging percentage to go with the Ks. Donald has no slugging, no OBP, and a K rate of around 22% – not a good combo. Why do we need another good D/no hit SS to play 2B or 3B now? We already have Burris doing that. Are you saying that Donald is a better prospect than Burris? Would we really want to trade anything good for Donald now?

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not defending Donald, his defense isn’t even that good. I’m saying that “blocking Brandon Crawford” is not a good reason to avoid acquring a shortstop.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Donald is a much much much better prospect than Burriss

and the problem with the Crawford (this is coming from a huge Crawford fan) is that outside of a hot month in the Cal League, the guy hasn’t hit since his sophomore year at UCLA. I didn’t know that about Donald’s injury, but assuming he comes back healthy, he is a better prospect than Burriss or Crawford.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

LIKE FIRST BASE!

I mean, who wants one of those fat slow plodding guys who take a walk and hit the ball a country mile!

Give me a team of scrappy basepath jitterbugs!

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Jun 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the thought of trading for Holiday. It’ll probably cost a lot more than I’d be willing to give, though. I assume Holiday will be a type-A guy – so if we trade for him even if he walks we get 2 picks from it. Problem is, the A’s have that deal to and Beane will make us give up at least what those 2 picks are worth + more for his production for this season.

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I want Berkman

Nothing said it had to be realistic

by slcgiant on Jun 15, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Adrian Gonzalez or nothing.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sanchez for Longoria. The Rayz kneed armz.

by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually wonder if we could get him. McClane is always hurting payroll wise, and we could certainly use Berkman’s bat.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fat Elvis
Fat Ichiro
Fat Money

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

fat money?

im still not sure which one you are talking about

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surely Carlos Lee is available if we’re willing to take the contract, but I believe he has a full no-trade and it seems he has no intention of coming to the coast for love or money.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Jun 15, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

That and he’s just as bad as Dye is defensively.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, No, and a big fat “bad defense” No !

"One percent of ballplayers are leaders of men. The other ninety-nine percent are followers of women."-John McGraw, NY Giants Baseball Club

My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!

by nvsfg on Jun 16, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Berkman...

Has a no-trade clause, yes?

He HATES it here. He’s publicly said he hates our park and wouldn’t want to play here.

He seems like a Texas kind of guy. And by that, I mean a douche.

by The Double Deuce on Jun 15, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would think you’d call him a “Double Douche”

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by Goofus on Jun 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, Dalton

Billy Ripken is not a fuck face

by Karlifornia on Jun 15, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get Huff or Tejada for cheap and eat some salary. No great prospects need to be given up

The artist formerly known as Set-up man

by CB30 on Jun 15, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t really want either one to be honest. Huff’s power numbers are meh and would probably be even worse here. He’s never really stuck me as more than just a decent player. Tejada’s power is mostly gone now, and his defense is erratic.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

For some reason, I’ve always had a thing for Ryan Garko. He wouldn’t cost much to get from the failing Indians, and he absolutely mashes lefties with a career .916 OPS. At worst, we trade some meh prospects for him and platoon him with Ishi. I see him as more of a low risk medium upside type player.

Justin Miller: More ink'd than an octopus on PCP.

by stealth snail on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I’m also in the Bowkermania bandwagon camp.

Justin Miller: More ink'd than an octopus on PCP.

by stealth snail on Jun 15, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could we put Garko in LF and platoon him with Winn? Winn SUCKS vs LHP….

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or platoon with Lewis or Schieholtz…

by Missing Barry on Jun 15, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Remember, Winn won’t be a problem after this season.

Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!

by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Id say Uggla, Cantu, or Johnson. DeRosa and Holliday are big targets and are going to cost too much.

If the price is atrocious, whatever, stand pat.

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 15, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Redonkulous idea

Jason Bay and/or Kevin Youkilis for ____________________.

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

an inanimate carbon rod

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 15, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alex Rodriguez?

"Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?" / Adopted brother of the AnVil

by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

In rod we trust.

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Simpson references abound. today ICR, yesterday planet of the apes musical

by Classy_Argonaut on Jun 16, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

See my vest….see my vest. Made from real gorilla’s chest. These white slippers are albino, african endangered rhino. Grizzly bear underwear, turtlesnecks I’ve got my share….

by Hobbes2d on Jun 16, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Victor Martinez To Play 1B And Join The Panda As A Starting IFer And Backup Catcher

With this no need to carry either Whiteside or Holm on the roster. The Inidians should be sellers by the trade deadline if not sooner and the Giants have plenty on the farm to offer for a true middle of the order bat like Victor Martinez.

Victor’s contract pays him $5.7M this year with a team option for just $7M next year.

by giantsrainman on Jun 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I’d love to have Victor on this team, but the Indians are going to want a TON for him.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really really really big longshot, but what are the odds we could “buy low” on Grady Sizemore? Perhaps he just needs to get out Cleveland? And out of the leadoff spot.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions  

who you willing to trade. And bring a BIG truck.

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone not named Posey, Bumgarner, Sandoval, Lincecum and Cain.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s more like who wouldn’t I trade to get Grady Sizemore… and it’s a very short list.

Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, n/a on a stat sheet.
BBk supports Sleepy's Law: "As a hoops discussion grows longer, the probability of an absurd trade proposal involving LeBron James approaches 1."

by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

according to Fangraphs, Sizemore has only been worth .3 WAR this year.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, no shit, he’s been injured and underperforming. Last year he was a 6.3 WAR player.

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by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I didn’t know he had been injured. It certainly explains some of his struggles.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps trading for Sizemore (even if possible) would be a bad idea for the stretch run. Apparently he has an elbow injury that might keep him out till late July.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

come on, the Indians are not that stupid that they will give up one of the top 3 players in all of MLB just because he got hurt.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Uggla? What’s the fascination there? If we want to ruin our infield D to add some pop to the lineup just call up Jesus from Fresno. As for all the bats mentioned who will be FAs at the end of the year (Holliday, Beltre, Johnson, Huff,…), I’ll pass on them unless we can pick them up for 2 or 3 very fringe prospects. None of them are likely to sign with us next year unless we offer them an unwise amount of $$$ and years, and they are all too flawed to fit our club at this stage of their careers.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

so.

in your opinion… let me just see if I get this straight here…

Dan Uggla, 29 year old 2B with a career major league OPS of .822 in 2300 PAs

is somehow the equivalent of

Jesus Guzman, 25 year old 1B/DH with career MINOR leage OPS of .837? (ZIPS projection .700 OPS).

Really. That’s your point.

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by zenbitz on Jun 15, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also every other season, Uggla has been above average defensively.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, you slant your argument

1. You conveniently leave out the fact that we already own Guzman for little or no money, while Uggla would cost us millions in salary and at the very least Sanchez and another top prospect or quality ML reliever from our pen in trade.

2. I believe that Guzman is more like Pablito (and many other minor leaguers). You can’t go by thier entire career Minor stats because at some point they both put it all together and became consistently very good hitters. While Guzman’s career Minor League OPS might be .837, since the start of the 2008 season (when he had his breakthrough) he has compiled the following:
OPS = .926 between AA and AAA – for 2008
OPS = >> 1.000 in Venezuela Summer League (MVP and HR and Slugging winner)
OPS = .948 in AAA at Fresno – for 2009

3. 1B is not anywhere near a demanding defensive position as 2b

4. Uggla plays half his games in a hitters park, and about 1/3rd of his other games in the 4 other hitters parks of the NL East (Phil., Wash., Atlanta, NY). No way he keeps his gaudy slugging numbers playing half his games at AT&T – not to mention 18 games at PetCo and Chavez Ravine.

5. Most importantly, Uggla is not a long-term solution for us as I believe he will be a FA after next year. We have some good young assets to trade, and IMHO I don’t think we should spend them on a short-termer that will help us offensively but hurt us with his D, when we have some options in-house that we still need to evaluate.

Now if I thought we could get Uggla for a package of B/C prospects I’d have no problem with that, but I don’t see the Marlins doing that right now.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dan Uggla IS actually a long term solution. He just had his first arbitration hearing before this season so he is under team control for two more years after this one. I am sure he would sell out those two years in exchange for the financial security of a long term deal. If the Marlins are sellers on him, we should be buyers. We have plenty of holes to fill on offense, and 2nd base seems like a good place to start

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by Evan on Jun 15, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know I started a long post about why Uggla is obviously better than Guzman – hence the facination, there were some MLEs and yadda yadda

But frankly – your main point is right. They SHOULD bring up Guzman to play 1B. They should also get Uggla (if he’s not too expensive, obv.), because Burriss is THE PROBLEM too.

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by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, you let me down.

There’s no evidence at all that Guzman would be better at first than Ishikawa. Ishikawa’s big 2008 season at Fresno blows away Guzman’s this year. Even though Travis has been a disappointment in the majors, his career line is basically indistinguishable from Guzman’s MLEs. And he’s a smooth fielder, while Guzman is by all accounts a butcher.

If you want to bring up Jesus to replace Richie as part of a platoon, fine, I’m in; but there’s no way he should start ahead of Ishikawa.

by Evan on Jun 16, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two words for you

Nick Johnson.

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

dunno

TI has a SLG of .330 or something. He’s just barely above replacement level, and that’s with all the fielding mojo JT Snow was thought to have had.

Luckily, we have TWO wasted roster spots! Aurillia AND Burriss…. so we could carry Franny and Guzman pretty easy.

Also, I think I made a typo when I MLE’d Guzman… his 2009 looked pretty good.

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by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson Nick Johnson

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You make a good point.

by Evan on Jun 16, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick Johnson

Adoptive parent of Noah Lowry.

:-(

by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

FA FA FA!

Johnson’s a FA at the end of the year, and he has a long history of injuries. Much better to wait until the end of the year, see if he’s still healthy, give Guzman a shot at 1B (even if it’s only a platoon with Ishi), and then go after Johnson in the off-season if we still love him. But, IMHO, I don’t see anyway that he signs with us as a lefty in AT&T. Besides, I see the BoSox as ready, willing, and able to give up more for Johnson now (ie. Brad Penny and a minor prospect).

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’re talking about THIS year. The fact that he’s a free agent is a feature, not a bug.

by Evan on Jun 16, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sign him to 1B, and move Uribe to 2B (since it seems like Frandsen isn’t getting a shot). You’d be replacing Burriss’s bat with Johnson – that’s huge. If he has a good season offer him arbitration – you’d either get a draft pick or a good player who plays a position of need for a very reasonable price (he’s making $5.5M this year). Word is he could be had for a reliever.

Nick Johnson.

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by Cookyman on Jun 16, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking

Nick Johnson. And a case o advil.

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by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by jponry on Jun 16, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

We need to be evaluating guys like Guzman, Bowker, Frandsen, Schierholtz, and Rohlinger now when we have the chance. I don’t want to be messing around with auditions in 2010/11 when we get guys like MadBum, T2, Buster, and Crawford (just hypothetical – I’m not saying they all make it) are in SF and we still have a window of opportunity to be great before Timmy, Cainer, and Panda can become FAs. I’d like to see Guzman (btw, he may be a “butcher” at 3B but I haven’t heard anything about him being one at 1B – he only has 4 errors – although that doesn’t tell us anything about his range and peripherals) and Ishi platooning at 1B to begin with (but Ishi shouldn’t get much more time if he slumps again). Also Frandsen starting at 2B, Bowker getting a shot in LF, Nate getting more time in RF, and Uribe splitting time with Renteria at SS (I’d actually like to see them bench Renteria but they won’t do that to a guy making $18M over the next 2 years). Send Burriss down to AAA to start at SS and make him bunt at least once a game. Send FLew down to AAA (unless he’s out of options) and let him get his confidence back. Release Aurilia – he’s entirely superfluous and blocking Guzman.

We probably disagree on the definition of “too expensive” in terms of Uggla. I believe that the Marlins will hold out for a king’s ransom if we try to get him now. Besides, trading guys like Sanchez, Alderson, etc. now would be trading from a position of weakness. Not only are they not as valuable now as they have been or will be, but the teams we’d be trading with know we’re the ones that need something. The teams we’d be dealing with will already believe that they are out of the running and so have no urgency to make a trade without it being very beneficial to them (unless they have to dump salary or will be losing a player to FA at the end of the season). Better to wait for the off-season when there’s less of a demand and more of a buyer’s market.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t really get this line of thinking. Teams evaluate young talent when a) they think they might be ready; and/or b) they have a need or an opening. The Red Sox have managed to evaluate Pedroia, Ellsbury, Lowrie and a raft of pitchers while competing for World Championships every year. The Yanks managed to evaluate a Cano here and there and the Braves a Chipper and an Andruw and a Brian McCann.

In fact, this whole we can’t look at young players when we’re able to compete (mostly with young players who apparently we won’t ever take the time to evaluate? — not sure I can worm my way through that paradox) reminds me of the hue and cry in NY in 1996 when Torre installed Jeter at SS in spring training and told the front office not to trade for Tony Fernandez. The whole baseball world was in an uproar because “you can’t win with a rookie SS.”

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by Roger on Jun 16, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The difference is that in all the cases you cited a contending team gave one rookie a starting spot in a given year (I’m not talking about pitching here – that’s totally different from fielders). Here I was talking about at least 3 rookies at one time. This is the perfect time to do it. We’re not really contenders, we just have a hot streak going now against (mostly) bad teams. Think of how much we learned and gained (Romo and Panda) last August when we cleared the benches. If we do it this year a month earlier it will most likely be invaluable in the long run.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

So when are we supposed to be evaluating Posey, Crawford, Neal etc etc etc within the 2010/2011 window while still competing? Cain’s a FA after 2011. Your timeline is confusing me I guess.

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by Roger on Jun 17, 2009 5:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see us as being an established contending team until 2011 at the earliest. Until then we should be starting and evaluating as many rookies that seem to be close to MLB-ready as is feasible. When you’re not an established contender is when you should take big gambles (the risk/reward is in your favor). If you have a veteran team that consistently wins 90+ games a year (Yankees, Sox, Angels) and always makes the playoffs is when you don’t want/need to make big changes. That’s when you trade prospects for veterans and make big FA acquisitions.

I feel that we should use the rest of this year to evaluate as many players as we can, then use that info to make judicious trades and FA signings in the off-season. If we do a good job at it we can be surprise contenders in 2010 (even while still taking some chances with young personnel), and have a good shot at making the playoffs (think 1987 Giants with Clark and Thompson starting on the right side of the infield). Then in 2011 we could actually be an established contender with a great mix of young veterans (except for Rowand and a FA or 2) and 1 or 2 rookies (Posey, Neal, Crawford, Kieschnick, Dominguez, …) – think the 2008 Rays. Of course, we could lose Cain to FA in 2012, but we should have a lot of options to replace him (MadBum, T2, Sosa, Martinez, Pucetas,…). On the other hand, if we have a good up-and-coming team that look like they’ll be long-term contenders I think Cainer will give us a hometown discount to stick around and enjoy the fruits of his labors after having gone with us through the wilderness years.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 18, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jon Heyman just said

Giants are definitely buyers(not surprise) and that we’re heavily scouting Tejada, Huff and Holliday.

by superk1ng on Jun 15, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

*no surprise

he said that on MLB Network btw

by superk1ng on Jun 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he said Hawpe. I guess Huff is more likely haha. None of those names excites me.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

you could be right

I wasn’t listening too closely and I don’t have dvr on this tv so I can’t rewind to double check.

by superk1ng on Jun 15, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just listened to it again, sounds like Hawpe. Hard to tell though since he has that awful nasal sounding voice. Hawpe isn’t exciting either. Especially when one looks at his defensive stats, wow…

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

What if we returned Hawpe to 1B?

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by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not even Holliday? I don’t see whats to like aside from the possible asking price.

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by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

We certainly need a RH stick. But Holliday’s hitting outside of Coors is just meh. And for the A’s asking price, I don’t think it’s really worth it to us. Even if he’s probably the best option and makes the most logistical sense as well given some of our OF’s troubles vs LHP.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I saw some Giants scouts at the Oakland game over the weekend.

by Natto on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our quandary

We certainly appear to be legitimate wild card contenders. However, this year is NOT the year to go for broke. This year is still a rebuilding year.

It’s certainly worth it to try to improve the offense in order to try to make the playoffs. But nothing should be done that hurts the future (at least not significantly)

Furthermore, Schierholtz, Lewis, Bowker, Guzman, Ishikawa, and Frandsen have unsure things. We don’t know whether one or possibly even more of these guys will be consistently productive major leaguers. Each is worth taking a look at (to varying degrees). If we bring in a bat (even, say, Dan Uggla) then we will have missed that opportunity to evaluate and perhaps come up with a cheap alternative.

If Sandoval and Romo have taught us anything, it’s that sometimes prospects come out of no where to be productive major leaguers. They just need that chance.

Of course, on the other hand, it’s more likely that these guys will fail. In that case, not trading for Johnson or Uggla or DeRosa or somebody will have been a missed opportunity to improve the offense.

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by thehavenot on Jun 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Totally agree with all but the last paragraph. Johnson, and I believe DeRosa, will be a FA at the end of the year (Uggla is never somebody that will fit our team due to his horrible D). If we are so in love with them we can sign them then without giving up any prospects. Meanwhile, this year we need to evaluate some, if not all, of our own young prospects this year so that we can have a clearer idea of who to target via trade & FA this off-season. That being said, I have no problem getting a short-term rental hitter (Beltre, Johnson, …) through the waiver wires in August if we are still in the thick of things then.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 15, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

We have interest in Adam LaRoche

http://www.piratesreport.com/page/blogs.detail/display/134/Trade-winds-are-picking-up-again.html

Meanwhile, first baseman Andy LaRoche is drawing trade interest from San Francisco. The Giants are 7 ½ games behind the Dodgers in the NL West but lead the wild-card race despite being last in the league in home runs.

by superk1ng on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

It would be awesome if we got Andy, and he became a Dodger killer.

by Natto on Jun 15, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Adam LaRoche?

Eww.

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by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you actually looked at his stats? He’s a 120 OPS+ bat.

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by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s what everyone wishes Ishi could be. Though Ishikawa is better with the glove.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

J.T. can turn anyone into a Gold Glove 1st Baseman!

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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

they have bizarrely identical minor league stats.

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by oldjacket on Jun 15, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.....

That is interesting. That sad part, however, is that Sandoval’s arm trouble has severely hampered, and delayed, the evaluation of TI. Barring Sandoval’s injury, we would probably already know whether TI was a legitimate starter or not.

Unfortunately, this process is resuming at a bad time, as it seems the FO and manager have already given up on the guy.

by Squire_Boone on Jun 15, 2009 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

in case anyone is curious

LaRoche:. 289/.359/.451/.810
Ishikawa: .261/.352/.454/.806

Not saying it means anything, as they probably played in very different run environments.

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by oldjacket on Jun 15, 2009 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I almost spit out my coffee

because I thought those were Ishi’s 2009 stats. Only off by 140 points of OPS, give or take.

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by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we pretty much already know that he isn’t

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ve always hated LaRoche and if Pablo still can’t play third I don’t know what we’d do with him.
He’s been a second-half hitter over his career though and he’s probably among the more cost effective trade options. Another plus is his 1.227 OPS at the phone booth over his career.
….Ok so maybe it wouldn’t be such a bad move. I chalk up my hatred to him being a Brave for much of his career.

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by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

not bad if we can get him for a sack of baseballs.

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by zenbitz on Jun 15, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, I was actually pondering the potential of going after either Adam LaRoche or Freddy Sanchez. I think the ideal thing about Pittsburgh is that we can “take one of these heavy contracts off their books”. Plus both of these guys play decent defense at 1B/2B respectively. I’d like to think that we could trade them a few young pitchers without having to use the names Bumgarner or Alderson.

Sanchez plus a reliever or young prospect pitcher? Would that get it done?

I think I pulled my swagger muscle...

by BawLa on Jun 16, 2009 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder what it would take to get Brian Roberts? He’s always in trade talks it seems and the Cubs deal for him fell apart in spring training. He’s a good leadoff man, plays good defense, has a pretty big price tag but he’d be a huge upgrade over the black hole that is Burriss.

If we could get him + a decent middle of the order bat we might have a really good shot at things.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

lots – just signed an extension, O’s love him

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by theghostofjasonellison on Jun 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Allow to me to continue my bizarre fascination with Ian Stewart. Plays 2nd and 3rd base, very good glove, current OPS of .903 away from Coors. His 12 HRs would lead the Giants right now. Although a) he’s a LHH and b) he hasn’t hit well at AT&T Park (sub-Burriss numbers) in extremely small sample size.

A month or two ago the Rockies might (emphasis on “might”) have actually listened to trade offers, since Clint Hurdle had no idea how or when to play him, but he’s taken off since Tracy took over as manager. He’s not a big bat, but he’s more of a long term solution.

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by Kitspool on Jun 15, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I, too, can’t stop thinking about Ian Stewart. What’s not to like? I’m sure someone will find something, so bring it on – so I can get back to continuously thinking about Thomas Neal.

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by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

What’s not to like is that the Rockies have no reason to trade him.

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by groug on Jun 16, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus the strikeouts and not good scouting reports about his defense. Not to mention he’s never really hit anywhere except for obscene hitter parks/leagues since 2004.

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by marcello on Jun 16, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Freddy Sanchez!

If it’s a Pittsburgh firesale he would be perfect. He’s owed 6.1M for ’09 with an 8M club option for ’10 that becomes guaranteed with 635 PAs. That seems a little rich for the Pirates.

by OTTOMATIC on Jun 15, 2009 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Could work

the monies they save they could use to sign their draft picks and an international player or two

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see the Giants get Freddy Sanchez but after unloading Nady and McLouth in short order, if the Pirates traded away Sanchez their fans (and maybe their remaining players) would probably burn down PNC Park.

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by Kitspool on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

and they would be wrong

The McLouth trade is working out well for the Pirates thanks to McCutchen. The fans need to be patient and let Huntington work his magic.

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

the Pirates kicked the Braves ass in that McLouth trade

they sold high of McLouth, an average player, and got 3 very good prospects while opening up a spot for a better player in McCutchen.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Jun 15, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kinda like what the Twins did in that trade they made to acquire Joe Nathan.

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by Lyle on Jun 16, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Work your magic (of pillaging the Pirates) Sabean

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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dave Littlefield has left the building.

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by Kitspool on Jun 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know. But come on, it’s the Pirates.

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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol Go-Bots

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by thehavenot on Jun 15, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rowand for Freddy Sanchez, McCutchen and Adam LaRoche?

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think they would take on the salary. Maybe a package built around our Sanchez, Burris or Frandsen, and someone like a Sosa/Gillespie.

by OTTOMATIC on Jun 15, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t being serious. It was more of a trade if Littlefield was still around.

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we are to get a hitter I would want to find a way to include Juan Uribe in the deal, he’s doing well but Frandsen could be doing the same thing and I feel bad for the kid.

My answer though would be rid Uribe in minor trade, drop Aurilia, add Jesus Guzman and John Bowker. For Guzman, spot starts and ALL starts against lefties either at 1B or the outfield. We have a surplus of outfielders, and all save K-Fred* are plus defenders. And Winn is making 9.6 million! In this economy, with that offensive production? Not getting our money’s worth. But there is a way. An outfield of Winn, Rowand, Guzman (when Guzman plays i’m not saying every day). Based on how likely said batter is to hit the ball to Jesus Guzman, he and Randy sprint and change positions in the outfield possible every new hitter. If the only thing holding Guzman back is his defensive, than -by golly- just switch with Winn so the ball goes to Winn instead who is obviously a great defender. The Man is making 9.6 million this year, it’s not too much to ask him to switch places in the outfield during at bat changes if it means maximizing his defensive ability and allowing Guzman’s bat into the lineup. So you potentially eliminate Guzman’s negative defense, while maximizing Winn’s plus defense.

Personally I think Barry Bonds needs to be added as a part time player this season to go for it all. For financial reasons, it will be pro-rated league minimum without giving up anything. And you get Barry Bonds. Dammmmn that’s a steal.

So either Bonds starts, gets 2 at bats, then replaced for defense (Schierholtz/Winn/Lewis/Guzman/Bowker/Torres we got the outfield depth this year to use them frivolously and still get legit defense. Or, the other way around. Or save Barry as a pinch hitter in RBI situations late in games. And always, ALWAYS have someone else out there in left for the 9th.

Adding the bats of Bonds, Guzman and Bowker would make our offense at the very least NOT dead last in scoring runs. And since already we have the 3rd best record in the N.L. and a 21-9 record at home, we could be legit. Too me it seems a waste to FINALLY have a team this year to complement Barry Bonds, yet he’s not on the team. Some time in July, take the man back. We need each other.

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by SneakToBetterSeats on Jun 15, 2009 4:38 PM PDT reply actions  

adding Bonds to the mix would be like adding Jameer Nelson to the mix

by wilriv21 on Jun 15, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jameer Nelson is cool. I think I saw him at the HP pavillion like 3 or 4 years ago a double header of Cal/Stanford B-ball. Is he the one who went to St. Josephs. He had a good game then, and he’s pretty good now.

I’m probably completely missing the analogy, but yea.

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by SneakToBetterSeats on Jun 15, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing is Bonds is not game ready. He’s still rehabbing from hip surgery.

At this point, probably still would be the best hitter in the lineup

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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Bonds could step in and hit better than Panda, Rowand and Winn.

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by Goofus on Jun 15, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pablo I could see but it’s hard for me to believe he couldn’t do better than Winn and Rowand over an entire season.

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by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

sarchasm

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by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

The K-Fred nickname should be banned.

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by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fred Klewis?

Fred looKing?

by Hobbes2d on Jun 15, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about we don’t give a nice, hardworking guy a negative nickname at all?

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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.

by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

How bout we wait til he cuts down on his strikeouts and then the name will go away on its own?

by m34josh on Jun 15, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your nickname is bad and you should feel bad.

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by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps, but for some reason I don’t. Not even a little

by m34josh on Jun 15, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay.

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by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

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by BrianBokake on Jun 15, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure you can think of something more clever than that.

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by jponry on Jun 15, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn… I wish. I mean, it’s not like I want Fred to do bad. It’s just I really don’t think he knows how to play baseball and that’s a big deal, he’s athletically talented no doubt, I just don’t see him putting it all together.
He’s had time to develop and he just hasn’t. I just don’t think it’s possible for him to become a solid player. This was really the year that he needed to iron out the frays in my opinion.
The ops is fine but there are so many fundamental problems in his game.
Sorry JPon, you’re one of my favorite posters but we just aren’t going to agree on this one. I’m over Fred Lewis.

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by BrianBokake on Jun 16, 2009 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is Alex Rios available? I’ve always liked Rios, even though I didn’t like want to trade Lincecum for him. He’s a RHH with power who could play a nice RF for us.

That said, I’m still thinking we got where we are now despite a lot of poopy ABs from Burriss, Aurilia and Ishi. We can do better than that from within, so I don’t want to trade too much of our future away.

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by Goofus on Jun 15, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions  

You know what’s kind of cool? It doesn’t really matter which bat. The Giants need help at every position on the diamond, so ANY good hitter will help. You can shop around for whoever has a player they’re just giving away.

I’m not sure how a team that needs help at every position on the diamond can be intention, but there it is.

by Evan on Jun 15, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

can be intention

can be in contention

note to self: don’t try to typz toof ast

by Evan on Jun 15, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

For me, any discussion of improving the offense has involves a three-step process:

1) Look for in-house options (Bowker and Guzman)
2) If in-house options don’t work (i.e. fail) seek long-term trade (Brandon Wood, etc.)
3) All else failing, look for quality, but cheap, hitter (Dye, Huff, maybe LaRoche, etc.)

by Squire_Boone on Jun 15, 2009 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Shin-soo Choo?

Hes 27, plays RF and LF

is batting .288, 8 HR and 9 SBs. Not a really powerful guy, but well rounded, and I think the Indians might be interested in pitching.

Id be happy with Uglla or Holliday too though

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 15, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Not exactly sure where he fits on this team right now, but I like Choo a lot.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Jun 15, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ya, I mean i guess were kind of stuffed with OFs

But I would like to trade Winn at the deadline, but then that still leaves Schierholtz and Bowker, so I dont know

just thought id throw it out there

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 15, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Choo is incredibly good, few ppl have caught on to that yet. He is a destroyer in cbs fantasy (lol cbs)

by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 15, 2009 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not?

29, good power, horrible defensively (If i remember correctly), but still a good hitter

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 15, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

And don’t forget hits right handed in a ballpark where its required, and is fairly cheap if he returns to his numbers of old

by m34josh on Jun 15, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fielder for Kane?

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

by baetown415 on Jun 15, 2009 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

u dumb trade cain he’s young he’ll be good 4 years 2 come.

by homer555 on Jun 16, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’ll only be good for four years? Dang.

by Natto on Jun 16, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

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by CB30 on Jun 16, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Part of me really wonders what it would be like to bring back Bonds. Can you imagine the media blitz?

Anyway, back to reality.

I like the idea of a shorter term solution ONLY if the price is congruent with the talent and time spent. No Sanchez for Johnson, but maybe something else. No LHH if we need a power bat unless they go oppo a lot.

Somehow, I feel trading for Holliday would be awful for us and Sabean would be taken for a ride. Too many teams seem to be clamoring for him and he’s an expensive rental. LaRoche seems to be a decent option as i haven’t heard as much about him as Johnson or Holliday. No DeRosa either unless he can be had for a steal, and he won’t be.

Let the Mets and Yankees have their Holliday and DeRosa. Swoop in and gnab the second tier of talent and we will not only get a better deal, but maybe we can get a couple of them.

If it looks too ridiculous as far as pricing goes, why not use this opportunity to trade Sanchez for a sure-fire AAA power bat and a starter?

GINAS BRAZZZZZ

by Giant Voodoo on Jun 16, 2009 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Swoop in and gnab the second tier of talent and we will not only get a better deal, but maybe we can get a couple of them.

I thought our OF was already full of second tier talent.

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by zenbitz on Jun 16, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

seriously

thats the last thing we need

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

FYI, Pirates are now dead last in homeruns

Giants are now gunning for Mets, Dodgers in bombers hit.

Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems

by Scooter Ellis on Jun 16, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Woohoo! But the Fodgers will soar once Manny returns next month.

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by Fla-Giant on Jun 16, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mets?

really?

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

another vote for none of the above. Maybe Tejada if it was real cheap, or a salary swap. I was pushing Beltre all winter but can’t really now.

cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"

by foothillsfan on Jun 16, 2009 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

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