Series Preview: Giants/Angels
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 15, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
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PrintIt’s the first meeting between the Giants/Angels since 2006. Yay, interleague play? Before that, the Angels hadn’t been to San Francisco since 2001. Yep. 2001.
The Angels were supposed to be the runaway winners of the AL West this year, but Texas has played better than expected, and even the Mariners are hanging around. The Francisco Rodriguez-free bullpen has had a 76% reduction in asinine post-save gestures, but they’re also giving up a lot of runs. The offense has been somewhat meh, too -- Howie Kendrick was demoted, Vladimir Guerrero has been hurt 'n' awful, and the rest of the lineup has been just slightly above the league average. Don't get me wrong, the Giants would kill for the Angel's lineup, as I think Erick Aybar would be our cleanup hitter, but I think the the Angels Angels of Anaheim were expecting a little bit more.
Hitter to watch:
Torii Hunter was the rich man’s centerfield option after the 2007 season, and his five-year/$90M deal was pretty rich for a team that also had Gary Matthews Jr. for several years/several million. For the short-term, though, Hunter has been raking. FanGraphs doesn’t seem to like his defense, but the anecdotal evidence says he’s great, which should help in all of those anecdotal one-run games. I’ll take the under on the 1.000 OPS for the season, and I’ll take the under on a .750 OPS for 2012, but that doesn’t mean he’s not going to go goofy on the Giants in this series.
Pitcher to watch:
Matt Palmer is scheduled to fill in for one of the Giants’ starters this series, but I can’t figure out why. Everyone’s healthy…uh, there aren’t any demotions of note…I…wait, Palmer’s on the Angels now? And he’s 6-0 with a 4.11 ERA? So I guess he’s like the Matt Palmer of the Angels organization now.
It seems that the "pitcher to watch" section has become the "pitcher I expect to absolutely dominate the Giants" section, and that might not be fair for a team that’s on a pretty good roll. But c’mon. There’s no way the Giants will slap around Palmer – he’ll make them pay for making a barely noticed, sensible roster decision. The Giants might win the game, mind you, but it will be a 2-1 grind for nine innings.
Prediction:
Fewer than two inside-the-park home runs.
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Imagine what those guys would have done had the Lakers lost the series.
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I thought this was part of daily life in LA.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Go home and cry. I saw that last year.
Thanks Celtics.
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
those nuckleheads would do that without knowledge of the Finals whatsoever.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
some should photoshop babies, puppies and kittens into the car and put a huge crater of fire next to the car on the left
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The Francisco Rodriguez-free bullpen has had a 76% reduction in asinine post-save gestures
Didn’t K-Rod get in a fight with a teammate prior to yesterday’s game over his post-game celebrations? Owned
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Actually he got in a fight with some Yankee about the celebrations.
I remember because they showed that on ESPN instead of Giants highlights.
your post implies that ESPN acknowledges the fact that the Giants actually, you know, exist
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Teh ESPN talks about the Giants quite regularly... throughout football season
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 15, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Before that, the Angels hadn’t been to San Francisco since 2001.
You’re forgetting the time the Angels visited San Francisco in 2002, for something called the “World Series.”
by They Might Be Midgets on Jun 15, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
I’m not familiar with that at all? Something called what?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Epic fail, noob. Epic fail
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
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by Useful_Idiot on Jun 15, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Your name is NOT PC
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
No...
I’m pretty sure play ends after each league’s champion has been decided. I’m why would you want to dignify the American League by even playing them for some sort of All-Of-Baseball Series
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
Edit: I’m not sure why would you want to dignify the American League by even playing them for some sort of All-Of-Baseball Series
screw the preview button
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
It was good enough for John McGraw!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn straight!
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
I’m pretty sure 2002 was a strike year
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
There was no World Series in 2002, that was the year the Earth blew up.
What, you don’t remember when the Earth blew up? When it was completely destroyed? And we escaped to this planet on the giant Space Ark? Man, where have you BEEN?
And they decided not to tell the stupider people because they thought it might affect… oh.
Anagram of "knowing how to win" = WOW, I KNOW NOTHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 15, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank God we had Will Smith to save us.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
other reasoning aside, If I were to call ESPN and ask about this “2002 world series” you speak of, I’m sure they would confirm it didn’t exist
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm looking in my thesaurus for the polite word for "clod" .... ah, here it is: dirt clump.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 15, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t it be great to steal Mike Napoli from the Angels? Then Scioscia could indulge his inexplicable Jeff Mathis fetish that much more.
And by steal, I mean trade for, but I would certainly accept an actual kidnapping and lineup card the next day reading “Nike Mapoli” as C for the Giants. Scioscia might figure it out, but then again, he might just look dreamily into Jeff Mathis’s eyes while filling out his lineup card. It just might work.
Also, Mike Scioscia may just be the most evil man ever not named “Tommy Lasorda” or “Steve Garvey.”
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t know we needed a catcher
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by Useful_Idiot on Jun 15, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Just until Posey arrives. Then we can trade him!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
huh?
Posey is our future short stop!
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn it. I keep forgetting. Then we really could use Napoli!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Brother is going to toe the rubber
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It’s a little known fact that he was actually drafted as a pitcher!
(out of high school)
(in the 50th round)
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
…kidnapping and lineup card the next day reading "Nike Mapoli" as C for the Giants.
Just Do It!
by The Double Deuce on Jun 15, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't get the concept of the post-championship riot...
I mean so you guys are happy your team right? So why are you senselessly destroying other people’s shit? I mean what the fuck?
I hope that when SF gets another trophy that our city wouldn’t do this.
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
We'd riot online
burning GRM’s posts.
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
SF will grab a basket full of chees and crackers and go to the park and enjoy some wine
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it hilarious
it always reminds me of the end of the simpsons hockey episode where the fans in attendance tear down the stadium because the game ended in a tie.
didn’t the city go a little crazy after the 49ers first SB victory?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody else think it strange that every riot, every car flip…is televised or photographed? You know the local news absolutely LOVES post-championship riots, they give the stations a reason to use their choppers after rush hour without having to fly as quickly as they have to during car chases.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Dirty Sanchez has only pitched into the 7th inning once this season. How much longer will he be the 5th starter?
"Are we bad? No. But right now, we are." Boulderskull, 4.16.09
One more start. Then Pucetas gets a shot.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
R U BRIAN SABEAN?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding? If I were Brian Sabean then BOWKERMANIA would have happened two months ago.
I did, however, make an absolute guess!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t we have to clear a 40 man roster spot to do that?
Sorry if I’m taking you too literally.
Proud father of Barry Zito. As long as he keeps throwing strikes, that is.
There wasn’t any real basis for my comment, but as the 40-man currently contains Bocock, Velez, Sadler (sorry wil), and Hinshaw, it’s not that big a deal to clear a spot.
Actually, I think there are only 39 guys on the roster right now, but one spot’s going to be needed for Joe Martinez when he’s back from the 60-day DL.
Does Kelvin Pichardo count against the roster while he’s on the restricted list? If he does, there are 39, if not, you probably need that spot for him or risk him in the Rule 5 draft.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoops I meant that if Pichardo counts then there are 40
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
pichardo was activated from the restricted list and misch was DFA’d
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
so he does count
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If Martinez took Sanchez’s spot in the rotation (obviously once he’s fully healthy and ready to go), I would be ok with it. He’s probably the only one I would want instead of Sanchez, currently.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I don’t think sanchez should be removed. rather, he should be traded. If that happens, pucetas/martinez are fine stopgaps
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny thing, most team's 5th starter sucks a lot worse than Sanchez...
In fact some teams struggle to put out 5 starters! Amazing, huh?
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
I think what bothers us about Sanchez is:
A) He’s supposed to be better than this, at least stuff-wise, and
B) There are enticing options in the minors, from Pucetas to Sosa to gasp! Alderson or Bumgarner?
Sure, the guys in B may not be ready, and we especially don’t want to rush MadBum or Alderson, but they’re close enough that they seem more real as options than the wishcasting of previous years – Matt Kinney, Matt Palmer, Pat Misch, etc.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed, it’s just that what we’ve gotten out of our fifth starter this year has been actually pretty decent compared to other teams.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I don’t think any of those guys are remotely ready. Don’t you think Pucetas would get destroyed in the bigs right now?
I don’t know about destroyed, but he has a low K rate and isn’t at all likely to be better than Sanchez. But he pitched 7 SO innings yesterday!
FWIW, and I don’t take these numbers as gospel or anything, minorleaguesplits.com has the following MLE FIP numbers: [for those unaware, FIP is Fielding Independent Pitching – estimated ERA based on peripherals and average defense – and MLE is major-league equivalency – numbers translated from league level to MLB level. I know, most of you know that and Evan is well aware.]
Pucetas: 5.41
Sosa: 5.53
Bumgarner: 3.70 (!)
Alderson: 2.80 (!!)
So I guess my answer depends on the question. Do I think any of these guys would make adequate 5th starters now in MLB? Yes. Do I think they are ready? If by ready, you mean “have sufficient seasoning in the minors to reach their potential in the majors now?” I would say absolutely not. If by ready you mean “can contribute at the major-league level now at a level exceeding other players on the MLB roster” then sure, I think that’s true for at least Alderson and Bumgarner as starters and probably for the others as relievers.
I am not offering the numbers above as absolutely certain. I have to accept that Bumgarner apparently doesn’t quite have the secondary pitches for the majors now, even though I can’t confirm that myself and need to believe the scouts.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
good stuff.
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Impressive. I really am starting to think that both Bumgarner and Alderson will be in our rotation next year.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Pitching like Bob Gibson in AA almost always leads to a quick promotion to the bigs. It’s the other side of TINSTAAP: if a guy is dominating, then he’s no longer a prospect at all.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I had to google TINSTAAP – I’m familiar with the concept but if I’ve seen the acronym I’ve forgotten.
Anyway, the first result is
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
There Is No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect.
had to look it up too
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The first result is this piece about Ned Colleti and the Giants’ propensity at the time to trade every single pitching prospect they had.
FYI: TINSTAAPP stands for There Is No Such Thing As a PItching Propsect. It’s a comment on the inherent unpredictability and instability of minor league pitchers.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Your mention of the concept reminded me of David Price, who’s currently mowing hitters down, except that it’s taking him like 100 pitches to get through four innings or so. I’ve said it before, but the way he’s pitching, he appears to be a Giant at heart.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Plus tons of walks. David Price = Jonathan Sanchez!!
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Wow, this means that William Sadler is as good as the consensus best pitching prospect in the game!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
More like SALDER4WIETERS
Since Pablo Sandoval is a first baseman and Gerald Posey is a shortstop, catcher is going to be a really glaring need for us until Jacks Williams is ready to take over!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Oh Wil Rivera is so pleased with you right now.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The transitive property FTW!
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 15, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
FIP numbers: [for those unaware, FIP is Fielding Independent Pitching
I really appreciate it when people make the effort to explain some of the “exotic” stats that they site. I’ve gone to look them up at times, but many of them dont really stick.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
If you ever have questions about some of the crazy shit some of us write, feel free to ask. Most are more than happy to answer.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
I'm happy to explain ROAR
That’s Rage Above Asshole Replacement.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Rage abOve Asshole Replacement/
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
I meant to say Rage Over Asshole Replacement.
HOW DARE YOU POINT OUT MY MISTAKE YOU CRETINOUS WORM!!!!!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
It would be pretty interesting to see Bumgarner and Alderson in the majors, since they both have such great control as young pitchers go. But there’s a lot of small sample size in those numbers (especially Alderson’s).
Oh sure. But did you see ZiPS? Szymborski had Alderson at a 4.34 ERA as a big-league starter this season, based on his SJ numbers last year.
The evidence seems to support keeping Bumgarner in the minors to work on secondary pitches, because the bigs just isn’t the place for that. But I’m not sure that any such issue exists for Alderson. I wouldn’t mind keeping the innings down on his young arm by having him in the bullpen on the big club for a year or two, as the Twins did with Johan Santana.
Of course, the org is going to have to avoid sending him out four days a week if he’s that good, and I for one don’t trust Boulderhead to avoid that.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
you have to balance this
against starting their arbitration clocks early.
Although, that might argue for spreading out Bumgarner and Alderson a year apart at least, just to stagger the staggering paychecks .
Sanchez, from eyeballing the stats is actually slightly above replacement value for a starting pitcher. I don’t think it’s necessary to risk anything – even something as trivial as “half a year of cheap Alderson” to replace the 5th starter.
He’s 74th in FIP among MLB pitchers with >50 IP. Better than Livan Hernandez, Tim Wawkefield, and Joba Chamberlain to name a few.
In short, about as much of a problem as Fred Lewis, but likely to be part of the solution, at least in 2010-2011. I wouldn’t trade him without an excellent return.
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I agree, but the team needs to balance based on the following:
1) Is he going to improve, and is the likelihood great enough to ensure that you keep rather than trade him?
2) Given the answer to #1, are other team’s views on Sanchez commensurate with yours, and how does that affect his trade value?
I really don’t know what Sanchez’s value is. He’s already 26 and has three reasonable but shaky years in the bigs though, so he’s not bringing back a big bat that’s more than a rental.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t replacing Sanchez with Pucetas/Bumgarner/Alderson lead to an extremely high possibility of psychologically screwing up everyone involved? Sanchez would probably never trust the Giants after getting yanked around (again), and it’s doubtful that none of the three minor leaguers would be ready to deal with the pressure of what’s rapidly becoming a race for the postseason.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know whether the minor-leaguers would suffer too much from pressure. It would get them ready for next time there’s pressure.
As for Sanchez, it’s his age-26 season and he’s just not getting better. He still might, but he has to realize that his control and walk rate (now 6.7 BB/9 IP) is just awful. He needs to realize that it’s his own performance that would lead to changes.
He’s perfectly fine the 1st and 2nd times through the order, but by the third he turns everyone into Pujols. Now that’s in a pretty small sample size this year, but getting worse in progressive trips through the order is true basically of all pitchers, and it’s true of Sanchez through his career.
When you combine difficulty getting through the order a third time and high pitch counts because of bad control, you just have a guy who isn’t going to be much more than a 5-inning pitcher. That’s fine for a 5th starter, but his electric stuff drives us nuts because if he only could harness it, he would be soo much better. That said, if there’s anyone Sanchez should have as a teammate, it’s Randy Johnson.
I know it seems like a waste for Sanchez to be a reliever, but he does own lefties and would be great out of the pen as more than a LOOGY. I’m not necessarily saying that the team should do that, but it might be better than sending him to the minors, which doesn’t seem as if it would help at this point.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I’m with you in that I envision Sanchez eventually becoming a pretty effective reliever over the course of his career, but I think he deserves the chance to prove his worth as a starter until the All-Star break at the very least.
As for the minor leaguers gaining experience in the Majors, there’s a couple problems with the pitching prospects the Giants currently have. Neither Bumgarner or Alderson have pitched an inning in Triple-A, something even Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain did before their first Major League starts (although granted, Lincecum didn’t spend all that long in Fresno). I think both Bummer and Aldy need to pitch at least a few times as Grizzlies before getting the call.
That leaves Pucetas, who has done well for himself in Fresno after dominating up until this point in his minor league career. However, Pucetas is hardly the overpowering pitcher Cain or Lincecum were/are (5.6 K/9 so far this year), and with the Giants’ questionable infield defense I worry that Pucetas would give up a ton of base hits. I doubt Pucetas would be able to get through Major League lineups twice in a game consistently, and his addition would tax the bullpen even more than Sanchez does now.
True, Sanchez walks an ungodly amount of hitters, but at least he’s tough to hit. I say give Sanchez the chance to work through his control issues for a while, as he’s the best fifth starter candidate for the Giants — for now, anyway.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Jun 15, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s completely reasonable.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 15, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe we can get marichal to recruit Pedro for us
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why does Sanchez need to be replaced as 5th starter? He’s doing fine in that role, whether he aggrivates us or not. The only real problem is that he taxes the bullpen. But with how long some of our other pitchers have gone, that’s not as big of a problem.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Or our #5 pitcher going into 2007!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Was it this guy?
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The KNBR booth went nutballs after the game yest on how good this team is now. ALL STARZ. CONTENDERZ. REALLY REALLY GOOD AND STUFF.
I have a bad feeling about this you guys.
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Once we get swept in this series, the chaos should die down.
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Not likely. This team is playing real well at home. And we’re back around to Timmy on Wednesday
(which is a DH with Shellac at the GAMH wed evening).
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
twice in 1 thread…wow
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The next couple of series should really gauge the viability of how good really we are.
I say we’ll do 3-3.
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be happy with that.
However, I think it will be more like 2-4 or 1-5.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
This weekend has drugged me with optimism
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I predict we go 4-2 against the rest of the AL West this homestand,
then have a dissapointing road trip, going 3-7.
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
I’m sure I’ve told this story before, but the photo reminded me of the year I lived in Amherst, MA, and how there were riots on the UMass campus after the Red Sox beat the A’s in the freaking ALDS, including a a drunken guy breaking both his legs jumping off a building and lots of cars getting turned over.
I’m glad I wasn’t there the next year, when they won the World Series! By that time I was on the North Side of Chicago. The safest place in the nation for avoiding World Series-related riots.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
historically, yes, but i suspect now-a-days washington is safer
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep in mind, at the time the Cubs were playing Neifi Perez every day.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Pittsburgh would probably beat it out for WORLD SERIES riots...
but you got the other teams winning titles so at that point it doesn’t matter.
Status: So pissed that the Giants sold my wall of Ks to Johnsonville Sausages, that I'm boycotting purchasing anything at the park, or patronizing their sponsers.
Equally safe for now. I wager the Nationals win a WS before the Cubs do.
No time soon, however.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 15, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I was in NH (45 minutes north of Boston) for the WS. I hate all New England fans now, b/c they think its funny to make fun of SF and the shitty teams we have/had. I just had to mention the past 20 years to shut them up, but still.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
they remind me of A’s fan. Also I get the urge to punch any fan wearing a red sox jersey outside of the boston area.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I miss DP Dough calzones
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 15, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I was on Landsdowne St when the Red Sox won the world Series
Easily one of the most memorable nights – definitely an experience.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
In St. Louis
I saw Jimmy Fallon and Drew Barrymore making out on the field in front of us – definitely a confusing and awkward experience.
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
and stupid stuff. . . it makes us shout . . .
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
I didn't know his name was Matt Palmer when he pitched for us
I only knew him as “Fat AA Pitcher That Sucks”
I like cats.
My advice for the next two series
Drink heavily.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 15, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions
giants drinking game? check.
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by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
reminds me of bengies..
kinda looks like they took ot themselves for facebook or something
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Jun 15, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The looks similarity is uncanny. Seriously.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at second.
What is this LeRoy Smith crap?
I have seen it every where (mainly ESPN) and now on MCC. I can’t figure out what they are selling or tricking us into, is this some sort of movie coming out? Does anyone know?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
I was hoping you could further break down Anaheim, but apparently Ana comes from the Santa Ana River and heim means home. Bor-ring.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
The prefix "ana" means "without," hence Anaheim means "without heim," or more colloquially, "gentile."
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 15, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You could almost say there is no there there.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Anathere?
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jun 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Olney's response to the question of if the giants can keep in WC contention
‘Yes, because their rotation is that good, and their bullpen is pretty good, too. They’ll probably have times when they’ll drive you crazy by scoring two runs or less in every game for a week, but in general, yes, I think they’ll be in the wildcard conversation the whole summer. Cain probably would be a frontrunner for the NL Cy Young right now…."
There were 3 Giants-related q’s, including a panda question in the chat
linkBrand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
The Phillies are so tough mentally; had assistant GM say to me last week that the Phillies have somehow managed to piece together a team on which they have about eight ‘gamers’ — guys who know how to grind through tough stretches of games, and of seasons.
HaHaHa!
by paboperfecto on Jun 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of the Phillies...
They have purchased Tyler Walker’s minor league contract, according to Yahoo…
Taschner-Walker reunion!
Is there nothing to be done about SBNation’s auto-linking of player and team names? Or is it just me that finds it reaaaaaally aggravating?
Tom Linkendrum
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
Nate
and any attempt to actually type his last name
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Get your filthy paws off me, you damn dirty ape!
In other news, congrats, Lakers. A fine job they’ve done from turning mediocrity into domination in a few short years.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
He can talk!
He can talk!
He can talk!
He can talk!
I CAN SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!
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Doctor Zaius Doctor Zaius!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
ooooooooooooooooooooohhhh Doctor Zaius!
(Doctor Zaius Doctor Zaius)
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I hate every ape I see. From chimpan-A to chimpanzee.
"Catcher are base running. Hitters are offense."
Only [hella] games left until the end of Zito's [no, make that Rowand's] contract.
Adoptive father of "Poncho" Villalona: This Angel don't fly. Nothing about him is light.
Oh my god, I was wrong
It was Earth all along
Yes you’ve finally made a monkey –
Yes you’ve finally made a monkey –
Yes you’ve finally made a monkey out of me!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that pie > cake, that Bochy is endowed by his creator with certain undeniable traits, that among these are veteran man-love, a gigantic skull, and the pursuit of the double switch.
Adopted Giant: Fred Lewis, who can still draw a walk.
that’s in my top ten Simpsons episodes.
“Follow me to Springfield Aquarium”
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Chone Figgins on "The Show" on XM
He was asked about why Zito’s been so bad for the Giants (obviously Jody MacDonald has been paying real close attention this season – btw, did John Leguizamo use his voice as inspiration for Sid in Ice Age?) – he replied by saying that Zito looks pretty good to him!
Then they moved on to talking about the AL East, surprisingly enough!
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused
Chone on Zito
“I’d hit that”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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needs more fake bunt
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Grammar nerd alert!
Bad news: An ellipsis has only three points.
Good news: You’ve still got time to redact one of those dots.
I love the sign.
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not.
If the “and then” ends the sentence, then the ellipses follow the period. 4 periods.
“The Giants have been known to do sucky things now and then….
Rich Aurelia grounds into a double play."
bringing you moral turpitude since 1963
I think it's something like this...
I went to the game…
Yeah, How was it…?
Fine, except when Rich Aurelia kept grounding into double plays…(except for the times when he kept striking out…)…
Oh, that’s too bad…
I hope Richie sees this
and Ron Artest’d you. He’ll get suspended and I guess that’s a win-win (except you might have to take a few punches but ambulance-chasers will be pre$ent!).
Mo'ped Money, Mo'ped Problems
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 15, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If Richie does see it, his eyesight is a lot better than we think it is.
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hmmmmm.
I wonder if getting Richie to go all Ron Artest on you is actually a valid fan-driven team improvement plan?
If that fails, you could go all Tonya Harding on him. I nominate Xanthan, since he’s already done time in the big house. We’ll send cigs.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I wouldn't pick Xanthan
If Judy can kick his ass, he would be no match for ORLYA.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 15, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Tonight's lineup
Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Winn LF
Molina C
Sandoval 1B
Aurilia 3B
Schierholtz RF
Burriss 2B
Zito P
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It smells of fail towards the bottom of the lineup
by SoFa King Mike on Jun 15, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
How anyone could look at that lineup
…and talk about the playoffs is beyond me.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Besides all those places, it’s pretty good.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Chatterbalks dot com: Still with jokes. Now with updates.
I guess I didn’t read the link enough, but I thought people were insinuating that Sandoval was going back to 3B soon.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
i’m sure Fred Lewis will start “soon”
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, every time I look at one of our line ups I am blown away that we are still in contention.
I like cats.
I would prefer nate at 3rd if the alternative is ORYLA
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
this is preferable, but being as he is in fresno…
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Jun 15, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
…or even Whitecastle, or whoever our backup catcher is.
by paboperfecto on Jun 15, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s great at catching Sliders.
Anagram of "knowing how to win" = WOW, I KNOW NOTHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 15, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
should we now start with the
“who the fuck is fred lewis?”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I never thought I’d look at a lineup and think, “Gee, I sure wish Juan Uribe were playing.”
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
sorry what was that?
Couldn’t read screen through the tears
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I wish I hadn’t come across Bengie Molina’s blog. It’ll make it harder for me to say “FUCK YOU MOLINA!” after he pops up for the third time.
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
I kinda like Bengie’s blog.
I like Bengie. It’s not his fault that we miscast complementary players into primary roles. Hating on him is as short sighted as hating on Flew for not being OMG Teh Powah!
Randy Winn is going to catch that. And he'll do it real classy-like too.
Guest announcer
Hey all, I wasn’t able to put the game on till after it started. Who is the guest announcer?
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